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shoturtle said:
That was when the cars where at exchange rates of $1.60 for a euro. It was not a lie. I have very good friends that worked for BMWNA in NJ. And he knew the real deal with the price for a German made 5, 6, 7 which comes form germany, you were paying msrp. The 3 and x are made in the US, then you got deals.

And at 37k msrp you did not get a 5, 6 or 7 series.
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No, it was a C class. That, back when it was $1.6 to a euro they managed to give us an SLK that was German made that had a $59k sticker for $48k. There are big margins involved, they're just hidden behind several backdoors. Maybe MB just hedges against exchange rates better.
 
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marlinspike said:
Nope, there's no protective tariff in place (there's a tariff, but a small one). I think it's a case of "this is at least as good as Snap On if not better, so we should charge at least as much as Snap On in the US market." Though, it is true that we are presently getting slaughtered on the exchange rate and shipping costs, but I think it's telling how little the prices changed despite large changes in the exchange rate.
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As far as I know there is no protective tariff for imports. There is an import duty of 0% (for tool carts) and around 9-12% for tools depending on which state you live in. I charge my international customers the German price plus actual shipping and from how much I sell it seems that this is a reasonable offer.
 
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marlinspike said:
No, it was a C class. That, back when it was $1.6 to a euro they managed to give us an SLK that was German made that had a $59k sticker for $48k. There are big margins involved, they're just hidden behind several backdoors. Maybe MB just hedges against exchange rates better.
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MBNA might have hedge or paid for their order before the euro got to 1.50 or 1.60.
 
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jensputzier said:
As far as I know there is no protective tariff for imports. There is an import duty of 0% (for tool carts) and around 9-12% for tools depending on which state you live in. I charge my international customers the German price plus actual shipping and from how much I sell it seems that this is a reasonable offer.
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I didn't realize you were on the forums. Yeah, I've seen your prices. You and Ash are pretty competitive in my experience, but check the prices of the average US dealer for these tools...you'd be amazed.
 
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jensputzier said:
Are you sure that there is a non-hexavalent hardchromium process? I am involved i a research project of the German government where they search for non hexavalent replacements for hard chromium (opposed to decorative chrome). AFAIK there is no galvanic solution.
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i don´t know, i read it somewhere here in this forum :) i thought it´s banned because it´s toxic or so...
 
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here my Non-sparking pliers (an alloy of copper-beryllium) by Smalcalda
WMW, for WerkzeugMaschinen und Werkzeuge at Schmalkalden in the former East Germany




 
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another wrench for the collection:
Elora 13mm stainless steel wrench:





compared to the regular chrom vanadium wrench:
 
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My first show off in this thread. Bought a Bacho tool cart. Seems nice and stable, weight 75 kilo. Only drawback so far is that the other drawers are not 100% locked when one is out, though there is the kind of friction brake holding them, so I hope it won't be a problem. 360 € felt ok compared to the alternatives available here.

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marlinspike said:
I didn't realize you were on the forums. Yeah, I've seen your prices. You and Ash are pretty competitive in my experience, but check the prices of the average US dealer for these tools...you'd be amazed.
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Well I know Ash and in my eyes he is a very reputable and honest businessman and a nice guy.

As far as the prices are concerned you need the purchase price, the packing and shipping costs and whatever taxes and import duties you have to pay. And then you want to earn money from your trade. If you are modest with your earnings the customers will trust you. So add the import duties and the shipping on top of my prices and compare them with the local sellers and then it is a fair comparison. Also you have to take into account that you might trust a local seller more than me and that might be worth a couple of bucks...
 
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zaboravi said:
Do you know who produce pliers and other tools for "reca" - Austria?
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screwdrivers Felo, some wrenches might be Heyco, pliers knipex (?), hammers MOB/Peddinghaus, bits wera + wiha, hex wrenches wiha + hafu, socket sets import + germany.
Depends on the tool.... with a picture identification often is possible......
 
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Monte said:
yes :)

Looks good so far, couldn´t open the drawers though so i dunno if they´re sloppy or not etc.
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Thanks :)


Monte said:
screwdrivers Felo, some wrenches might be Heyco, pliers knipex (?), hammers MOB/Peddinghaus, bits wera + wiha, hex wrenches wiha + hafu, socket sets import + germany.
Depends on the tool.... with a picture identification often is possible......
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Montepedia!!! :lol_hitti
 
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Miskin,

That oulee wrench with "Japan" has got to be a joke! That wrench came together with the CNC machine?

In Japan, Eight is known in only some industries. Not too commonly found, AFAIK. They do have a patent on their ball-head hex profile, which is unique:
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Superautobacs I can't see how this is a QC issue. :)
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Yes, you're totally right that it isn't a slip in manufacturing QC. ...it's the sales QC that slipped. ....but their service rep didn't dissapoint me so that was a sure plus :thumbup: I still like Gedore tools, and enjoy seeing yours. :beer:



Monte said:
i don´t know, i read it somewhere here in this forum :) i thought it´s banned because it´s toxic or so...
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You must be referring to the switch from the use of hexavalent to trivalent chromium:
EU formed the RoHS directive and certain industries have to comply with their regulations. One being the transition from hexavalent chromium to trivalent chromium. Certain major tool companies in the 1st world have already made the change (voluntarily or involuntarily). Snap-on, Apex (Danaher), KTC/Nepros, Ko-ken, etc. The same should apply to European brands as well.

Some info:
http://www.garagejournal.com/forum/showpost.php?p=590273&postcount=11
http://www.garagejournal.com/forum/showpost.php?p=2206227&postcount=13
 
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I have never owned a Wiha screwdriver, so i had to buy some and test them.
Well i must say that they are nice and fits my hands good. I also think that you can feel that the tips are harder then Wera.
This is a special edition/color for the Hager group. I like them...:D

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Yes they are a bit harder then the wera, I use wiha exclusively when doing electrical work. They are excellent drivers. Like the special color set.
 
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Does anyone know how old this set is? Also there is empty space in upper part of box. What's missing, any ideas?
 

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Decaf,

I love that colour scheme...reminds me of Gulf Oils.

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The toolbox contains more jokes. A taiwanese screwdriver made in USA!

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:eyecrazy: made by Oulee as well?

Btw, linky is no worky.
 
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decaf these seem to be very nice electrical screwdrivers! Did you buy online or locally?
 
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decaf said:
Thanks :bounce:

I think that people don´t know the value of premium tools in many cases, that gives me opportunity to buy expensive tools really cheep :rocker:
Sometimes i get tools (new) for 30% of the real price. :headscrat
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That's what I usually do too. I try not to be impulsive and hunt for good prices. This Wiha set you got really looks sweet! :D
 
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My [almost entirely] Gedore purchase:
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13mm ratcheting spanner/wrench + 3/8 socket adapter (that one is Hazet)
6 mm long hex for the lower front mc suspension bolt
8-12mm blind bearing puller, should handle mc waterpump bearings
16mm spark plug wrench
set of punches for doing my own gaskets (winter is long :) )

And...a nice M18x1.5 HSS tap and die set, Czech made
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Hey, a package has arrived! All the way from Germany it seems.
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Let's open it, what can it be? Just a lot of packing paper, that can't be right...
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Oh, it seems to be stuff under the paper.
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What's the red box? And what is this?
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More pics coming later!
 
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Monte

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superautobacs said:
You must be referring to the switch from the use of hexavalent to trivalent chromium:
EU formed the RoHS directive and certain industries have to comply with their regulations. One being the transition from hexavalent chromium to trivalent chromium. Certain major tool companies in the 1st world have already made the change (voluntarily or involuntarily). Snap-on, Apex (Danaher), KTC/Nepros, Ko-ken, etc. The same should apply to European brands as well.

Some info:
http://www.garagejournal.com/forum/showpost.php?p=590273&postcount=11
http://www.garagejournal.com/forum/showpost.php?p=2206227&postcount=13
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ah yeah there it is !!! Thanks !!

zaboravi said:
Thank you, Montepedia :D
So, this reca tools are good quality? Because I have some reca shop near...
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i would say yes :)

lok said:
You are right. :)
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decaf said:
I have never owned a Wiha screwdriver, so i had to buy some and test them.
Well i must say that they are nice and fits my hands good. I also think that you can feel that the tips are harder then Wera.
This is a special edition/color for the Hager group. I like them...:D
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nice !! First tools of this brand in this thread ! :rocker:

N.I. said:
Does anyone still sell them?
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http://www.amazon.de/dp/B004CJ7RYC/

www.heyco-tools.de

test: :)
http://www.selbst.de/pdf/schraubenschluessel.pdf

marcone said:
And...a nice M18x1.5 HSS tap and die set, Czech made
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which brand ?

TjoFrasse said:
Hey, a package has arrived! All the way from Germany it seems.
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Whats in the red box ? :)









Festool CXS 10,8 Volt drill/driver



"Systainer" (size 2) storage with extra lid inside the lid....:
this special edition came with a bit set and a wood drill bit set. The (drill-) bit set holder can be removed.


pops up for convenient bit removal:


the content:
drill, 2x 1.5AH batteries, chuck, "centrotec" chuck, bit, "Centrotec" bitholder, angle adaptor, charger




extra storage under the first tray:


the tool:
the magnetic spindle accepts 1/4" standard bits.
The torque adjustment ring is rubber coated.
Functional elements are green colored:



"Centrotec" chuck + bitholder attached:


with regular 8mm chuck:


Details:

belt clip, magnetic bit storage, LED light:


coo and attention to detail: plastic, rubber (grey) and sticker have the same "grain"/surface finish:


built quality:
no gaps between the plastic and rubber parts:


chuck from the rear:


charger:
 
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Today's arrival. I paid £1.24 for this, and it will only ever see occasional use, so I'm not fussed, but I suspect this is outsourced in every sense. It doesn't have the look or feel of anything else Facom I've seen or handled, and it just has the name and part number stamped (no logo or distinct castings).

It came in Facom packaging so I'm not doubting it's authentic, but I think they just found a supplier for a tool they weren't particularly interested in making (or designing) themselves. Not saying it's bad, but it's not the "same". The finish is almost Stahlwille-like.

Excuse the poor quality phone pic:

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