Tools from the old world
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one i bought says made in the germany,but on the back declaration about coo says china. and its trash,molding edges were so sharp and uncut,so i had to shave em...a bit holder is not centered,its bented to the left side,magnet inside ***** etc etc..
ger coo
china on the back
bit holder bent to th left
molding edges after i shaved em
www.baer-original.de
They mainly produce nails....so i don´t know... maybe they once made hand tools or it´s made for them...or it´s from a different Company...?
awesome Stahlwille Tools !
Barber´s tool:
www.moser-profiline.de
Nocturnal-G
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one i bought says made in the germany,but on the back declaration about coo says china. and its trash,molding edges were so sharp and uncut,so i had to shave em...a bit holder is not centered,its bented to the left side,magnet inside ***** etc etc..
ger coo
china on the back
bit holder bent to th left
molding edges after i shaved em
Did you contact Wiha?
Here is mine... Ours look similar...
I have a few of these, and fortunately I'm happy enough with all of them to not worry about where they were made. In your example though the sticker on the back of the package looks to have been added by a retailer/wholesaler? A reasonable assumption then that they may have got the info wrong.
Still worth contacting Wiha for clarification, and to express your disappointment with the quality.
EDIT: I thought this sounded familiar and then it occurred to me; You started this thread a long while back: http://www.garagejournal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=162937&highlight=wiha+china
I'm not making accusations, but it certainly looks a bit suspicious/pointless posting virtually the same thing again. Are you trying to stir things up?
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DieCastElectrician
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They mainly produce nails....so i don´t know... maybe they once made hand tools or it´s made for them...or it´s from a different Company...?
Thanks For The Help.
I Have To Learn How To Put A Picture On This .That Would Help
Thanks For The Help.
I Have To Learn How To Put A Picture On This .That Would Help
DieCastElectrician
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Pliers From An Estate Sale.
Not Sure What They Do
I'm Not Sure How To Make Them Bigger
Not Sure What They Do
I'm Not Sure How To Make Them Bigger
DieCastElectrician
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Did you contact Wiha?
Here is mine... Ours look similar...
It would really surprise me if the stubbys did not come from Germany, I'll look the next time in a shop.
My mom passed this down to me today...
She used to be a mechanical engineer back home.
I have the same model. The only other plant did
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Pliers From An Estate Sale.
Not Sure What They Do
I'm Not Sure How To Make Them Bigger
maybe they are some kind of nail holding pliers, hence the bent handle and the small round holes in the head ?
btw. lamp..... my "Feuerhand" lamp:
......
Cosmik, Monte is right - The Feuerhand is what you need...the one, he showed was a "Baby" type with large tank (How does the "Grown-up" look then?). Mine is marked "SD" = Stadsingeniørens Direktorat - that is Copenhagen Community Road Department. Was used as warning lamp at road works, when I was a kid (and, i´m not THAT old...)
. The Feuerhand at the right is with a "normal" tank, will last for 12-24 hours.View media item 31755
Old kerosene lamps are always at sale at fleamarkets, this one is german, but I don´t know the brand. Its marked "BR Patent" and a dragon/bat logo.
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OK, all you guys shows so many nice new tools, so I´ll continue with some old tools...just to keep the balance...
View media item 31762German wooden handle screwdrivers - Wiha and HK.
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View media item 31757Weidmuller cable strip plier - made in W. Germany, so probably from the 80´s...
View media item 31758Works a treat...all sizes wire, and it´s self-adjusting. You adjust the cut-off length here.
View media item 31759AEG Ergomax corded drill. From a flea market, paid 10 Euros, it had a cold joint at the switch. I managed to take it apart and assemble again three times, before I found the real problem...so now it has become like a close friend..
View media item 31760From the short period where Atlas-Copco owned Bahco-Belzer and AEG powertools...but this model was continued under the TTI ownership for many years, and sold under the Milwaukee brand too. Haven´t seen their recent catalogue, so I can´t tell if it´s still made.
View media item 31761My cars gearbox from ZF has planetary gears - but in a drill?
View media item 31753This one is for you, Monte. If you want it for your 13 mm collection, I can send it to you...the worst finished Bahco wrench I´ve seen...
View media item 31754...from Argentina.
Hi, my 1st post here. As a foreigner in EU and precision product technician, I only have small collection of micro tools. Still saving the money for collecting bigger tools and bigger storage for them too. So, my manual hand tools are marked
-Germany: Bernstein, Wiha, Weidmuller, Knipex, Cimco, Felo - Lux tools, Witte, Normfest (rebranded Hazet?), F-****, and some unknown W-Germany brand
-Sweden: Belzer, Sandvik-Bahco, Molex, Ka be and few OEM special ordered SST.
-Swiss: Dumont, UMV Vallorbe, PB Swiss
-Spain/France: Bahco
-Japan:KTC, Vessel, Tohnici, Niwa, Uochikyu
-Czech Rep: Tona, Somet, Ajax, Chirana, York
-USA: Snap-on/CDI, Ulmann, Bondhus
Some without COO like Pistol, Buchanan, AMP, Hella. Some tools found no marked at all because I already modified them from worn-out tools. Not all of my tool are shown in the picture because most of them is still at workshop and have no time to make good picture at home. I think I need bigger box , so will upload more pictures later.
...on small box from Metabo (LT edition cordless drill set)
-Germany: Bernstein, Wiha, Weidmuller, Knipex, Cimco, Felo - Lux tools, Witte, Normfest (rebranded Hazet?), F-****, and some unknown W-Germany brand
-Sweden: Belzer, Sandvik-Bahco, Molex, Ka be and few OEM special ordered SST.
-Swiss: Dumont, UMV Vallorbe, PB Swiss
-Spain/France: Bahco
-Japan:KTC, Vessel, Tohnici, Niwa, Uochikyu
-Czech Rep: Tona, Somet, Ajax, Chirana, York
-USA: Snap-on/CDI, Ulmann, Bondhus
Some without COO like Pistol, Buchanan, AMP, Hella. Some tools found no marked at all because I already modified them from worn-out tools. Not all of my tool are shown in the picture because most of them is still at workshop and have no time to make good picture at home. I think I need bigger box , so will upload more pictures later.
...on small box from Metabo (LT edition cordless drill set)
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BBD
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Any intel on Metabo`s DSW 3150 bench grinder ?
Worth purchasing ?
Worth purchasing ?
I have no experience with it, but it looks pretty generic/imported, and has flimsy looking tool rests.
If you're in the UK, you might watch ebay for an older English-made bench grinder. You can usually find a sturdy, quality item for around £30-£50 or so. A bit of paint and some fresh bearings and you can have something really nice (I think) for not much money.
Here's a 6" Elliott I bought for £35 including the stand. I spent probably another £20 on paint and bearings, and a bit of time and effort:
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And a 6" Wolf I did the same with:
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BBD
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Thanks but I`m not experienced with British producers of power tools 
The Metabo is made in Poland. Another option would be the Bosch PSM 125.
Then, I might purchase a Bosch GSM 200, or a GBG 8, depending on which is better made.
The GSM200 is similar to the Makita GB801.
The Metabo is made in Poland. Another option would be the Bosch PSM 125.
Then, I might purchase a Bosch GSM 200, or a GBG 8, depending on which is better made.
The GSM200 is similar to the Makita GB801.
willhollin
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Monte, I dug the Mig pliers Youtube upload. That was a pretty good instructional on the use of them also.
Thanks for the compressor pics. I imagine you have a large assortment of air tools go along with them too.
Those look great!
Thanks Will. I gave the Wolf to a family member, and sold the green Elliott pictured above, but I have another Elliott Selecta 6", and a Selecta 7", both in the same Reseda green that should be finished this weekend.
The Wolf was a bit of a pain with some slightly difficult to reach fasteners, and the bearings and inner wheel flanges pressed onto the rotor shaft. The Elliotts though are simple, quiet, and powerful with a real industrial feel. Very easy to disassemble and maintain and If I were in the market again I'd look for one of these. Nice sturdy cast tool rests as well.
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View media item 31759AEG Ergomax corded drill. From a flea market, paid 10 Euros, it had a cold joint at the switch. I managed to take it apart and assemble again three times, before I found the real problem...so now it has become like a close friend..
View media item 31760From the short period where Atlas-Copco owned Bahco-Belzer and AEG powertools...but this model was continued under the TTI ownership for many years, and sold under the Milwaukee brand too. Haven´t seen their recent catalogue, so I can´t tell if it´s still made.
View media item 31761My cars gearbox from ZF has planetary gears - but in a drill?
Reminds me to my red one Made in ? China, Taiwan…..
A nice tool with a lot of Power. ................................
Reminds me to my red one Made in ? China, Taiwan…..
A nice tool with a lot of Power. ................................
Yes, the best corded drill i´ve owned...
The only downside is that the speedcontrol is so coarse, it´s not suitable for screws. Yours could be made in Czech Republic, from what I know they moved a lot of the machinery there. My orange angle grinder and corded jigsaw doesn´t look chicom to me, but maybe it´s just my aversion of facing the truth...
What a orange (AEG, model ?) angel grinder do you have, and what are you think about it ?
cosmik binturong
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only 2 ?? enough ? I´m surprised !
in 3/4"? yes, it's quite enough for me and my use(i could do with only one though but what if i misplaced that one, eh?
).i may add a one inch one too if we need it...
sure, i just found a 3 euros Rupes orbital sander.......the time will come...
(pics to come tomorrow)
thnaks!niiiiiiiiiiiiice drivers !!!!!!!!!!! Especially the Belzer drivers !!!!!!
alas, they may have to go one day since crab hunting is getting pretty expensive here......If the price is right......
maybe... does it work with pure vegetal oil too?btw. lamp..... my "Feuerhand" lamp:
way to go on the US market! size in fractional and length of shaft in metric... must be an english brand!
Alas, it is true.
Well it wasn't exactly for free.
Malaysia's not PRC, so...
"Hornbach" hammer
....drop forged from tank steel.....made out of a Czech BMP-1 tank...
Limited to 7000 pieces....
*snips!*
...and even a hammer !
I was not expecting this... now i want one.
me too
but i won't 'cause i've kind of pushed my luck with some ruckschlagfreier schonhammers from amazon.de lately...
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It´s a AEG WS 6-125 (700W). It has the complete German adress on the name plate, but it´s orange....manufacture date 2009. I have used it for some heavy metalwork (complete new sills, torpedo wall etc. on my Range Rover) and some brick cutting. Never been warm or any other signs of fatique. So, even if it´s not german, it has got the "OK" from me...
maybe... does it work with pure vegetal oil too?
Choose an answer, both are true:
1) No, but neither will a Petromax
2) Yes, if you are prepared to remove soot from the Jena-glass every day
DieCastElectrician
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Thanks For Your Help.
I Buy From Estate Sales When I Can Get Tools under A Dollar,
I Ussually Buy The Rusty Ones And Bring Them Back To Life.
Or Any Old Ones From Europe.Or Tools That I'm Not Fammilar With
Are There Any Web Sites That Talk About Old Europeam Tools
Now That I Can Put Pictures On This.
That Should Help To Identify
cosmik binturong
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Ah.. that Acesa locking plier is the most beautiful thing I've seen in a while.. (Sorry Belzer screwdrivers
too bad Acesa was shot dead by SNA Europe along with Palmera...
(them Belzers do not like you anymore, you frivolous, naughty boy!
)hehehe... there's this, you know, newfangled thingy called the internets where ya can purchase stuff from around almost the whole World...
regarding quality control at Wiha, it seems that the standards have been somewhat lowered since, like Jure, i've had in the last three years my share of shoddy finish and assembly. the good news is that it never had anything to do with the quality of the tips but i don't like having to deburr a screwdriver and/or straighten a bitholder because the corp. that makes it is skimping on quality control...
they do not seem to care...
or maybe he has encountered the same kind of quality problems that appeared when other brands have gone continentally far-eastwardishly with their production...
Cosmik, Monte is right - The Feuerhand is what you need...the one, he showed was a "Baby" type with large tank (How does the "Grown-up" look then?). Mine is marked "SD" = Stadsingeniørens Direktorat - that is Copenhagen Community Road Department. Was used as warning lamp at road works, when I was a kid (and, i´m not THAT old...)
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Old kerosene lamps are always at sale at fleamarkets, this one is german, but I don´t know the brand. Its marked "BR Patent" and a dragon/bat logo.
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oh noes! she's seen the last one and wants something like it too...
gotta find some time to do some flea-markets runs on the other side of the Rhein then, eh!
nice ones!
Hi, my 1st post here. As a foreigner in EU and precision product technician, I only have small collection of micro tools. Still saving the money for collecting bigger tools and bigger storage for them too. So, my manual hand tools are marked
-Germany: Bernstein, Wiha, Weidmuller, Knipex, Cimco, Felo - Lux tools, Witte, Normfest (rebranded Hazet?), F-****, and some unknown W-Germany brand
-Sweden: Belzer, Sandvik-Bahco, Molex, Ka be and few OEM special ordered SST.
-Swiss: Dumont, UMV Vallorbe, PB Swiss
-Spain/France: Bahco
-Japan:KTC, Vessel, Tohnici, Niwa, Uochikyu
-Czech Rep: Tona, Somet, Ajax, Chirana, York
-USA: Snap-on/CDI, Ulmann, Bondhus
Some without COO like Pistol, Buchanan, AMP, Hella. Some tools found no marked at all because I already modified them from worn-out tools. Not all of my tool are shown in the picture because most of them is still at workshop and have no time to make good picture at home. I think I need bigger box , so will upload more pictures later.
...on small box from Metabo (LT edition cordless drill set)
oh! some yummy tool-spaghetti!
welcome here kriwoel!
Choose an answer, both are true:
1) No, but neither will a Petromax
2) Yes, if you are prepared to remove soot from the Jena-glass every day
like i said, i don't care if she has to do it since it's her idea...
although i strongly suspect that she'll ask me to do it instead...
anyway, back to some research for an outdoor lamp that works cleanly with what we produce almost for free(either oil or alcohol) and that the mademoiselle agrees upon(ie, good lookin' too).
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like i said, i don't care if she has to do it since it's her idea...
although i strongly suspect that she'll ask me to do it instead...
anyway, back to some research for an outdoor lamp that works cleanly with what we produce almost for free(either oil or alcohol) and that the mademoiselle agrees upon.
Of course both Petromax and Feuerhands will work with "lamp oil", but that´s the same stuff as kerosene. Haven´t seen any "bio" or "eco" lampoil yet...
Alcohol (ethanol or methanol or bio-ethanol) doesn´t work in lamps, since the open flame is nearly blue (and emits no light). Think of a Trangia storm-cooker. You cant see the flame in daylight...
Seen in a larger perspective, the environmental footprint from a keresone lamp is very, very small...even smaller than the Prinzen Rolle cream crackers from your photo
or maybe he has encountered the same kind of quality problems that appeared when other brands have gone continentally far-eastwardishly with their production...
Maybe, but my point was that I thought it was strange he raised the same question of COO base don a sticker that has obviously been added at the point of sale (or by the wholesaler in his country) rather than by the manufacturer.
If I recall correctly, the origin of that sticker was pointed out fairly early in that thread (although many people chose to ignore it and jump on the conspiracy bandwagon instead). Raising it again takes on the appearance of creating controversy where none actually exists.
On the Wiha quality issue itself; I have a drawer-full and no issues, so perhaps I've been lucky. On the other hand I've paid I think just over £3/driver on average, so it's not like they're so expensive that I'd be shocked to see the odd issue pop up.
willhollin
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WGB combination ratchet wrench without COO.
Does anybody know where the Bahco combination ratchet wrenches are made, maybe in the same factory like SnapOn ?
And why Bahco forged the name in the wrong way ?.....
The WGB looks like a Geartech (Infar) wrench which aobut a million other tool companies stamp their name on!
The Bahco are Taiwan I believe.
It would really surprise me if the stubbys did not come from Germany, I'll look the next time in a shop.
This is the one i saw today.........'Made in Germany'.....i dont know guys...the waste for the foreign ?.....(I#am kidding !!!!
)
cosmik binturong
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yes, strange but stranger things happen regularly on this forum...
indeed, may also be because Wiha QC could be on a slippery slope...
for me, controversy still exist about some QC lapses and not on CoO of Wiha stuff: still only .de, .ch and .vn as far as i know or, methinks thinks i know, well, until proven wrong on that point...
i do not have a full drawer, more like thirty tools plus around a hundred bits or more but the recently made stuff i had was sub-par as far as finish of the handles was concerned and i'm talking about a small Picofinish T1, a 4mm ESD micro handle, a TorqueVario 1/4" and a 4mm bit adapters and a Proturn 3k bitholder. still, i very much do like the bits and older screwies but am quite annoyed to have to finish the work myself for the price paid whatever that price may have been.
and i'm not even talking about the retarded attitude of Wiha France...
anyway, the point about CoO is moot since we all agree that it's still, as of now, made in Germany.
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Looks like it is from www.hahn-kolb.de
maybe "borrowed" from one of their cordless drills...My cars gearbox from ZF has planetary gears - but in a drill?
These Protool corded drills have a planetary gear too:
welcome and nice tool collection !
Thanks for the compressor pics. I imagine you have a large assortment of air tools go along with them too.
here´s the collection....Some upgrades are necessary though
i have a couple of air sanders but no current pic but will post a pic on the weekend
in 3/4"? yes, it's quite enough for me and my use(i could do with only one though but what if i misplaced that one, eh?
i may add a one inch one too if we need it...
sure, i just found a 3 euros Rupes orbital sander...
(pics to come tomorrow)
wtf i take one too !! no wait 20 crab hunting ?alas, they may have to go one day since crab hunting is getting pretty expensive here...
yes with pure petroleum-vegetable oilmaybe... does it work with pure vegetal oil too?
here´s the most common tool forum from Germany:
http://www.werkzeug-news.de/forum/
but it´s mostly about new tools and which power tool to buy etc.
Taiwan
maybeanyway, the point about CoO is moot since we all agree that it's still, as of now, made in Germany.
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cosmik binturong
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mmmm... sorry, i've been fooled by the sanding disc support which is Rupes-branded...
it's italian though! after some summary cleaning i can say that it's a lowlife known as a Telesch C36AS and, sadly, not an old Rupes.
so three euros is about what it's worth, don't you think so?
a zodiacal game in some sense...
argh! you're feeding, as the official german tool minister, the paranoia over Wiha's stubbies' countries of origin!!!maybe
It would really surprise me if the stubbys did not come from Germany, I'll look the next time in a shop.
nope at last every which is not marked as "made in germany" is NOT made in germany,its china.
all what i see suspicious about that is wiha COO nothing else,ok lets see : tell me only one thing,why all wiha's scrwdrivers got Made in ger mark on th handle,every single screwdriver,and some of bit drivers got it as well,but one i bought is missing it,you think they were lazy to mark it? i dont think so,all i agree with them is that packaging is made in germany but not the screwdriver. and + all local distributor got it marked as made in china >^^
This is the one i saw today.........'Made in Germany'.....i dont know guys...the waste for the foreign ?.....(I#am kidding !!!!
ofc,even by the look of that one you can tell its not made in china + its marked on the handle...