Tools from the old world

[superautobacs]

@TjoFrasse

Nice set for the price.
I can see that it's a two component handle, but the picture tells me it's a hard/hard combo; not a soft/hard like in most cases.

The socket/bit set is interesting... the sockets have a Metrinch style socket
... and another ****** handle makes a showing.

@Aza

You'll probably have to buy them direct from one of the many Japanese web stores...unless there's a company that imports IPS pliers in England, in which case, you can inquire them.

 

[Moose-LandTran]

I don't have Irazola in stock Moose.

Shame. They're really nice, i like them a lot. Have ~14 more at home.

I just bought the set i was talking about. €15 for the set of 6, half price.

Good price! I would've liked to have bought more but didn't. I have too many screwdrivers already.

I can see that it's a two component handle, but the picture tells me it's a hard/hard combo; not a soft/hard like in most cases.

My Irazolas are two-part hard/soft. The grey inserts are rubber. I believe all Irazolas are like this.

 

[TjoFrasse]

@TjoFrasse

Nice set for the price.
I can see that it's a two component handle, but the picture tells me it's a hard/hard combo; not a soft/hard like in most cases.

The socket/bit set is interesting... the sockets have a Metrinch style socket
... and another ****** handle makes a showing.

The handles are, like Moose says, two part hard/soft. The black is rubbery and gives a good grip. I will see how they work when my hands are oily though.

The sockets are not Metrinch style i think. Metrinch are all rounded edges, these have rounded "teeth", but the "walls" are flat. (By teeth i mean the points that grab the bolt, and by walls the inner sides that the bolt corners go in)

You're right, the handle on the bit driver is very similar to those on the previous page.

Good price! I would've liked to have bought more but didn't. I have too many screwdrivers already.

My Irazolas are two-part hard/soft. The grey inserts are rubber. I believe all Irazolas are like this.

Luckily (?) my tool collection is still small enough to be expanded. For the price it felt like a great expansion with some more spanish made Bahco stuff.

Yup, mine are the same. Would not call mine grey though, definitely black. The colors (black and orange) makes me wonder if the Bahco production was the one that decided colors.

 

[superautobacs]

My Irazolas are two-part hard/soft. The grey inserts are rubber. I believe all Irazolas are like this.

Ok, that makes sense. I only said that because the black part on the Bahco handle is really glossy, like a hard plastic.



I got a Bludan square file the other day, but was surprised to see they were using Nicholson USA files for some of their offerings:

 

[superautobacs]

...

The sockets are not Metrinch style i think. Metrinch are all rounded edges, these have rounded "teeth", but the "walls" are flat. (By teeth i mean the points that grab the bolt, and by walls the inner sides that the bolt corners go in)

You're right; it's not like a metrinch.... I meant to say like Ko-ken's Surface Drive or Flashtool's Parabola sockets. From the picture it looked to have a concave surface.

Here's Deen tools' version:

 

[sumner52000]

Picked up these Hazet wrenches this weekend at the flea market. I only paid $15, But I'm missing a couple. If you have any you are looking to sell let me know.

 

[TjoFrasse]

You're right; it's not like a metrinch.... I meant to say like Ko-ken's Surface Drive or Flashtool's Parabola sockets.

Here's Deen tools' version:

Yes, that's the style. I'm a bit surprised by the total lack of manufacturing country info. There's none on the box, none on the tools, none on the packing and none on their website.

 

[superautobacs]

@Sumner52000

Holy cow , major score on you; big loss for the vendor who doesn't know the worth.



@TjoFrasse

The lack of COO is rampant these days with tools, when the country doesn't have any laws (or not heavily enforcing those laws) requiring COO labeling.

 

[sumner52000]

The sad thing is I passed on them last week. It bothered me all week. I was relieved when they were still there this weekend.

@Sumner52000

Holy cow , major score on you; big loss for the vendor who doesn't know the worth.



@TjoFrasse

The lack of COO is rampant these days with tools, when the country doesn't have any laws (or not heavily enforcing those laws) requiring COO labeling.

 

[Moose-LandTran]

The handles are, like Moose says, two part hard/soft. The black is rubbery and gives a good grip. I will see how they work when my hands are oily though.

All mine have the same dark grey inserts. The ones like your Bahcos are glossy plastic while the others are all semi-gloss.

Picked up these Hazet wrenches this weekend at the flea market. I only paid $15, But I'm missing a couple. If you have any you are looking to sell let me know.

Damn, that was a score!

Is you dog eating a flip-flop or does he have a really big tongue?

 

[Moose-LandTran]

The Irazolas from this trip:

 

[Monte]

I'm not sure whether you're looking for really long lengths like 600mm, but if 250mm fits your needs, take a look at their new release (I want one ): http://www.koken-tool.co.jp/imgs/panflets/KOKEN201006.pdf

nice ! Want one too (+ the 1/4" from PB)

Interesting... I'd sure like to see the leather handles after getting some use. It seems like each pair of pliers is one off as the leather pattern is never duplicated. That makes it an easy way to own a one-of-a-kind.

a matching set of leather handle screwdrivers would be nice....
or even better one like the Nepros ratchet...

New release from 3 Peaks The grip pattern reminds me of a Japanese katana (sword) wrap. I want :

nice ! i still prefer the "Nejisaurus" from Engineer though

 

[superautobacs]

The Irazolas from this trip:
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Hrmm, those are starting to grow on me a bit. Those colours will certainly compliment my teal coloured Par-X chest.

nice ! Want one too (+ the 1/4" from PB)

I got the 1/4" bit holding one from PB for the collection. It's pretty nice.



a matching set of leather handle screwdrivers would be nice....
or even better one like the Nepros ratchet...


Mmmmmm, or the wood one is so nice too. This is too nice to use though....I think I'll simply put it in a showcase to admire it.

nice ! i still prefer the "Nejisaurus" from Engineer though

Yeah, I was all set on getting the "screwsaurus" until I found that 3 Peaks revised their original version. IIRC, 3 Peaks came up with the idea before Engineer did.

 

[bcjames]

You can tell I've been reading this thread again, or rather my girlfriend can, by this lot turning up on my table Upgrading these tools has been a long time coming, and I finally got around to it.

Wera screwdrivers:

Wera allen keys: (very, very nice!)

NWS vde set:

With the set they are replacing:

All of it together, meaning a very happy me :

I wanted some NWS waterpump pliers too but they were out of stock. Next time

Oh and I have some Stahlwille 3/8-1in 14's on the way

 

[bcjames]

Oh and while I'm at it, this was on the desk:

 

[superautobacs]

Nice stuff Bcjames.

What's with the teaser? You need to show us who made that quality screwdriver.

Oh, can I request a close-up picture of the screwdriver tips on the 3 longest Wera?

 

[dede2897234]

NWS vde set:

bcjames,


Where did you purchase the NWS pliers set in Great Britain? If this business has a website, can you please specify?

I am curious because there is no U.S. distributor for NWS. There is a NWS distributor in Quebec, Canada. From what I read here, it is a hassle dealing with them since they do not accept credit cards.


Thanks,

Dave

 

[bcjames]

Nice stuff Bcjames.

What's with the teaser? You need to show us who made that quality screwdriver.

Oh, can I request a close-up picture of the screwdriver tips on the 3 longest Wera?

On the other side it just says Supadriva. Never heard of it before, it just lives in the penpot on my desk.

I can't find my digital camera, so heres the long Wera tips the best I can manage with an iphone. They don't have the anti slip tips like the shorter ones which disapointed me a little, but they seemed very good still when I tried them.

NWS vde set:

bcjames,


Where did you purchase the NWS pliers set in Great Britain? If this business has a website, can you please specify?

I am curious because there is no U.S. distributor for NWS. There is a NWS distributor in Quebec, Canada. From what I read here, it is a hassle dealing with them since they do not accept credit cards.


Thanks,

Dave

Hi Dave, I got the NWS stuff from Screwfix, since they have a trade counter quite near me and I wanted to get them today. Have a look http://www.screwfix.com/search.do;jsessionid=0GZ2CHZQIN3XKCSTHZOSFFQ?_dyncharset=UTF-8&fh_search=NWS&searchbutton.x=8&searchbutton.y=17&searchbutton=submit. Hopefully that link works, if not just type NWS in the search and they all come up.

-James.

 

[Aza]

You can also get NWS stuff from B&Q

 

[bcjames]

B&Q, and they have the VDE waterpump pliers in stock in Cardiff. Not sure I want to pay £28 for them though. I only really want them because they match

 

[superautobacs]

Thanks for taking the pics.

I ask because i thought there was something different about the tips. It looks as if there were rubber plugs fitted to them (during shipment?).

 

[ATTappman]

I am curious because there is no U.S. distributor for NWS. There is a NWS distributor in Quebec, Canada. From what I read here, it is a hassle dealing with them since they do not accept credit cards.


Thanks,

Dave

You could try emailing HIPA, because Mark Seizer told me last December that they were planning to start accepting credit cards in the next few months. Maybe they can take credit cards by now.

 

[Monte]

@bcjames: Nice NWS pliers !!

@dede2897234: Nice NWS pliers !!



@superautobacs
did you post a pic of the PB T-handle already ?


ps:
there are several online shops in the UK who carry NWS pliers

http://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/5666054902/?tag=atomicindustr-21

http://www.tooldirect.co.uk/diy/brand/nws/pliers.htm

http://www.tools-supplies.co.uk/nws-vde-pliers-set-3206-p.asp

http://www.shop4tools.co.uk/acatalog/VDE_Insulated_Electricians_Pliers.php

http://www.itslondon.co.uk/pd_NWSN1093_N1093_NWSVDESuper5in1CombinationPlier.htm

http://www.mackay.co.uk/Hand-Tools/...ter/54091255-Nws-VDE-Super-Cutter-6-In-1.html

http://www.auto-connect.co.uk/Autoconnect_Pliers___Cutters_____3478.html

http://www.buckandhickman.com/find/keyword-is-nws

new NWS pliers with shears

 

[superautobacs]

@superautobacs
did you post a pic of the PB T-handle already ?

Nope, I haven't taken any pictures of my PB stuff, interestingly.

In the meantime...


Vessel 900mm with spin collar (the cross-recess tip has their JawsFit finishing):

Translucent red.

TOP TWD-45:

 

[Monte]

Sweet drivers !!! The Megadora handles are nice !
reminds me to contact the european branch where i can get these here...

 

[bcjames]

My long Weras did have rubber caps on the ends. They came in a bag, rather than retail packaging, so I guess thats why.

I almost want something to need mending now

 

[The Muffin Man]

Superautobacs, how does the quality of the Megadora series compare to the other screwdriver brands? I've grown tired of stripping computer and laptop screws with Phillips screwdrivers. The price doesn't seem bad at all considering how difficult it is buy JIS screwdrivers in my area.

 

[Monte]

Bessey/Erdi nibbler

 

[superautobacs]

@Monte

I love the spin collar feature on it as it provides stability and quick spinning. It makes me want to use them even if the application doesn't require such a long length.

Nice nibbler. ....it's made in Germany?



@bcjames

At first site, I thought those Wera tips were fed with steroids or something.


@The Muffin Man

I can't say much about the quality other than what I can see first hand....
The fit and finish is great; every bit as good as the well-known German brands. Considering the length of this screwdriver, I think the size of the handle is on the smaller side so I don't think it'll generate as much torque as the larger handles from Wera or Felo, for example. The handle is comfortable though: no high ridges like the Wera, which in my case, can cause pain on the palm (depending on the type of grip I use). I definitely prefer Felo handles over the Wera for that reason. They are more comfortable and provide greater grip.....but harder to clean.

Regarding the stripped JIS screws.... If you don't mind playing around with 1/4" bits, Wera has this item: 05135042001 WERA 851/1J PHILLIPSILLIPS BIT PHILLIPS1 X 25MM (ASIAN PHILLIPS)
I got it not too long ago, but I haven't used it yet. I bought it simply out of curiosity. They do not have any other sizes, but i think you find the #1 size the most common for your use, correct?

The Vessel cross-recess / Phillips tip screwdrivers may or may not fit those screws any better than the German/Swiss brands that you've used. I find that when comparing PH2 screwdriver tips from different manufacturers, it's normal to have slight differences in the profile/geometry. That means for a particular screw, a PB Phillips #2 may have the tightest fit with little play, but on a different screw of the same size, it may not fit the same. The manufacturer of the screw has a standard as well on their end and I believe there's bound to be tolerance issues.

Simply put, you can never have enough PH1/2 screwdrivers.

 

[Moose-LandTran]

Simply put, you can never have enough screwdrivers.

Fixed.

I'm running out of screwdriver space.

 

[Monte]

@Monte

I love the spin collar feature on it as it provides stability and quick spinning. It makes me want to use them even if the application doesn't require such a long length.

Nice nibbler. ....it's made in Germany?

i don´t know it don´t say anything. I once mailed Bessey but no reply. It has a different body compared to the two other styles. There is at least one french manufacturer (www.Edma.fr) and one german manufacturer (design like this).

how is the collar of the Vessel screwdriver secured ? Circlip and notch in the blade ?

Regarding the Wera bits: they offer 3 sizes (PH00, PH0 + PH1) of "optimized for asian PH screws" bits in different length

http://chadstoolbox.com/search.aspx?find=ASIAN+PHILLIPS

They also make bits to the JCIS standard (Japanese Camera Industrial Standards)

 

[superautobacs]

Fixed.

i don´t know it don´t say anything. I once mailed Bessey but no reply. It has a different body compared to the two other styles. There is at least one french manufacturer (www.Edma.fr) and one german manufacturer (design like this).

how is the collar of the Vessel screwdriver secured ? Circlip and notch in the blade ?

Regarding the Wera bits: they offer 3 sizes (PH00, PH0 + PH1) of "optimized for asian PH screws" bits in different length

http://chadstoolbox.com/search.aspx?find=ASIAN+PHILLIPS

They also make bits to the JCIS standard (Japanese Camera Industrial Standards)

I'm suspicious because the laser etching is exactly like my Bessey offset snips.

Hah, I'm corrected on the Wera bits. My search skill are lacking.

Looks like I may need to add some more bits into the shopping list.

The collar is held in place similar to how PB does theirs... like you described it.

 

[dede2897234]

Translucent red.

Superautobacs,


From which tool reseller did you purchase the Vessel 4500 series screwdriver?

Does this reseller have a website selling it?

Is the 4500 series a relatively new addition to the Vessel screwdriver lineup?


Thanks,

Dave

 

[dede2897234]

Regarding the Wera bits: they offer 3 sizes (PH00, PH0 + PH1) of "optimized for asian PH screws" bits in different length

http://chadstoolbox.com/search.aspx?find=ASIAN+PHILLIPS

They also make bits to the JCIS standard (Japanese Camera Industrial Standards)

Monte,

Do you have a link to Wera's website that shows the screwdriver bits conforming to the JCIS standard?

Do you know of an internet tool reseller that carries Wera's JCIS-compliant screwdriver bits?

Do you know if Wera's "Asian Phillips" screwdriver bits conform to the JIS standard?

Lastly, do you know the difference(s) between Wera's "Asian Phillips" and JCIS standard screwdriver bits?


Thanks,

Dave

 

[superautobacs]

Superautobacs,


From which tool reseller did you purchase the Vessel 4500 series screwdriver?

Does this reseller have a website selling it?

Is the 4500 series a relatively new addition to the Vessel screwdriver lineup?


Thanks,

Dave

As far as I know, the 4500 isn't a new series. FWIW, the Megadora has been around since 1997, according to their company history.

I purchased it through Here

 

[bcjames]

Aza, on your recommendation I had a trip to B&Q. Got the last set of water pump pliers, and now my set is complete It'd be cool if NWS did a bigger waterpump plier too, I'll have to check their site

I've promised suz a couple of weeks away next month, so these purchases are now fully justified

 

[Monte]

@superautobacs:

the laser etching is on all new snips too:

They only say that they produce in Bietigheim/Germany... Don´t know about some tools in the USA/NA , the knife is from china too though.

Here are 2 more pics + info of the nibbler: click


@Dave:
if you go to the Wera site and type in "JCIS" in the search box the bits will show up. But not available in 1/4" hex drive anyway only "Hios" and "Halfmoon"

I don´t have any clue about the JIS/JCIS/Asian PH etc. stuff just found out yesterday that Wera offers these while reading about it here but not made a research yet.

The Wera catalog just say "optimised for asian PH screws" ( click ). No further info. Vessel tips are also not true JIS IIRC . Probably to be able to drive both PH and JIS screws and not only one style. I tried to ask the Vessel dude at the hardware fair but my english and his were not that good so the only info i have is that the difference of PH and JIS is that they are "similar"......

If you type "Japanese Camera Industrial Standards" into google a bunch of sites will appear also a PDF which states that JCIS and PH are not identical IIRC.
Had not the time to research everything yet (too hot here , and soccer in the TV )

JCIS bit for micro screws

The JCIS bits are available through chads. If you type in the Wera part numbers which you find on the Wera site @ chads you will find the different types. For example: http://chadstoolbox.com/05135381001wera85122phillipsjisbitphillips0x60mmhios5mm20mmdia.aspx

 

[Monte]

"Spline Drive" is out, "Honidriver" is in

how you like this ?

 

[billymade]

They look like OEM Toptul/Rotar industries tools...!

 

[superautobacs]

@Monte

I thought "Erdi" or "Bessey" would be stamped, but I guess it's not necessarily true then. I certainly have seen a handful of Bessey stuff made in China though. One can only find out by looking at the product card....


Honidrive....I saw that in the FG mag. At first glance I thought it was simply a copy of Wright Spline, but it looks like the Taiwanese took it even further.

Info on Wright Spline

Pretty nutty looking. I'm guessing this is their earlier version, or is it the same as the above? It looks different depending on the angles?.

Oh, I never heard of a HIOS drive so I checked it out:

[EDIT] BTW, that telescopic mag. pickup thingy is pretty cool. I was thinking of just epoxying some neodymium magnets into the socket for fun.