Tools from the old world

[superautobacs]

Got around to taking some pictures today...

Items pictured are:
Wrenches:
KTC 12/14mm flex, double-box rat. wrench (made by Kabo)
Crescent 3/4;5/8 zero offset, double-box rat. wrench (also by Kabo)

Low-profile Sockets:
KTC go-thru socket for rat. wrench in 10, 12, 14, 17, and 19mm
KTC 3/8" square drive rat. wrench adaptor.
Ko-ken surface drive sockets: 14 and 17mm

 

[matthew]

Wow, from my mother's toolbox;

I was pretty sure someone here would have the same set - funny part is that it looks like you would have the same question as me as to what they are!

 

[Cantause]

@Canteuse: those Rothenberger vises are super nice. Love the Bosch drills too. Though I have to say that I prefer the Hilti jigsaw to the Bosch. I bough both, and reach for the Hilti every time.

The Rothenberger 120 is a nice "little" vise I agree, but I don't know, I expected something better... I'm much more impressed by the used Leinen I bought recently (it's not the same size/weight I admit), even if it has been abused a little bit (bent handle, angle grinder cuts, punched jaws,...). I've removed the old second coat of paint and replaced the jaws, it already look nicer, no play at all, parallelism is right at a tenth (fully opened), I'm much more happy with this one than the rothenberger, but I'll use both of them anyway!

I'm very satisfied of all my Bosch tools, I can't really say something about the hammer drill as I received it as a gift for the last job I did for my grandma. But the few holes I drilled were a real pleasure, nothing to compare with the Startools **** it replace
The jigsaw works fine for me, it's just hobby use but I guess that pros feel the difference, I used some Hilti stuff and they work great ,
I've heard that they have an exceptional after-sale service, is it true?

@Cantause:
a 3/4" ratchet is also on my wish list, i think it is a brighter idea to use a 3/4" tool instead of a longer and longer 1/2" ratchet.

ps: Nice Bosch lineup !!!!!!! I`m jealous

I totally agree with you! I think that I'll start by using a 3/4 --> 1/2 reducer and carefully use my 1/2 drive sockets. I've always wanted a 3/4 socket set, not just as a big "in case of" toy but also because I sometime work on tractors, I'd feel more comfortable using a socket than an adjustable wrench on large nuts...

I don't know what I should go for, does someone have any experience in using 3/4" tools?
I plan to buy only one set so 6pts/12 pts? long/short? normal/impact? low/high quality?
I probably won't go for Facom, except if quality is something crucial for such a tool, for an hobbyist I mean, I don't work on a petrol rig...

Thanks guys!

Here are the pics of the "new" Leinen vise, it will look better after a new powder coat, planned for this winter!

 

[dj spanners]

that is a beautiful, exotic collection (exotic to me, at least).

Where is that BAHCO ratcheting screwdriver made? I bet it's made in the same place the SK one is.

One brand of tools that I would like to see more of is BETA. Do you have any of that stuff?

i have a beta roll cab at work, and its weird, every drawer is ballraced and glides so smoothley, however if you slam the drawers the back portion of the drawer will bend with the force of the tools hitting, because its so weak,
i really don't recommend this stuff

 

[AlexRS]

Hello everyone, been reading for some time and finally decided to write.
Awesome collection of European tools in this thread

Here's a small sample of mine:

Facom 1/2 ratchet

Wera

Only Bahco I own

Found these Athlet lost at a tool shop but don't know much about them, maybe Monte or any of you guys have some info on the brand

When I have some free time I'll take some pics of the rest of the stuff

 

[maxipouce]

I used some Hilti stuff and they work great ,
I've heard that they have an exceptional after-sale service, is it true?

Exceptionnal that's the word; they don't provide parts, they only deal with professionnals, and even though your te 92 has only 100hours on it they consider it old and say it can't be repaired (after sending them the machine), I find this pissy and especially for a cut wire inside the machine .
I noticed that some of their angle grinders are from bosch.

I totally agree with you! I think that I'll start by using a 3/4 --> 1/2 reducer and carefully use my 1/2 drive sockets. I've always wanted a 3/4 socket set, not just as a big "in case of" toy but also because I sometime work on tractors, I'd feel more comfortable using a socket than an adjustable wrench on large nuts...

I don't know what I should go for, does someone have any experience in using 3/4" tools?
I plan to buy only one set so 6pts/12 pts? long/short? normal/impact? low/high quality?
I probably won't go for Facom, except if quality is something crucial for such a tool, for an hobbyist I mean, I don't work on a petrol rig...

I have seldom seen 12 point nuts that needed a 3/4 equipment, but the 6 points sockets cost more on the second-hand market so the 12 points are a good economical solution.
Be careful with the cheap import sockets even if they have a 3/4 drive it is still easy to break them just with the ratchet.Don't buy them at more than 1€/piece.
My current set of sockets is made out of facom, sam, irimo, tona, I think every average brand will be enough.
Imperial sizes go for quite cheap and provide a sure fit on metric fasteners most of the time.
What kind of tractors do you work on? if any help needed in that field just ask



@ dj spanners and ALexRS ; welcome!!

@ Monte; I am glad you are still alive after the love parade !! All my thoughts going to those who died from going at a party.

@ superautobacs, you need to add some colors to your interior or maybe you live in a hospital ???

@ matthew I will question my mother but she doesn't give a thing about tools.

 

[superautobacs]

@Cantause,

I like that older Leinen vice over your new one as well.


@AlexRS,

Bonjour, and welcome.
I've been pondering on getting a cute little 1/4" Facom palm ratchet... hrmm.

Btw, here's Athlet's website: http://www.athlet-online.de/en/index.asp

@Maxipouce,

I like my place clean, surgically clean. White carpet and white walls. I was wearing white gloves taking the photos too.

 

[AlexRS]

@AlexRS,

Bonjour, and welcome.
I've been pondering on getting a cute little 1/4" Facom palm ratchet... hrmm.

Btw, here's Athlet's website: http://www.athlet-online.de/en/index.asp

I've been pondering the same about the 1/4'' palm ratchet, I may just buy it and stop thinking about it

Thanks about the Athlet website the quality looks good, I just have to see how much abuse they can take

 

[Monte]

@BWright:
I only have a Maxxpro bit holder which is like you said quite fat but the Protops are good. So i think i have to add some NAPA Protops to the collection

@superautobacs:
nice tools !! The design of the KTC wrench looks nice !
The Crescent wrench has blurry chrome ??

@Cantause:
I maybe would look @ ebay or a flea market and buy used brand name 3/4 stuff.
Hey the vise don´t look that bad If it works with no play, hey perfect ! Even new jaws !


@AlexRS:
welcome on board and in this thread !!
Under which rock are you living ?

The Athlet brand belongs to a company called "Wuro" ("Wilhelm Uebach" www.wuro.de ) who sells their products (screwdrivers etc.) and other tools under the "Athlet" name.


Regarding Hilti:
there is a 26 page thread in a german forum + dozens of individual threads where people ask for exploded views because Hilti don´t support their customers in doing their own repairs. All other manufacturers supply exploded views or they are accessible in the net. Also it seems after like 10 years there are no spare parts available.

@maxipouce:
Love parade !?!?!? hell no !!!! They don´t play my music there ! But now it´s over anyway - tragic end - but that´s what happen if the interest in earning money is more important than the laws and safety...

 

[AlexRS]

@AlexRS:
welcome on board and in this thread !!
Under which rock are you living ?

I'm in the "way to hot right now" Portugal

The Athlet brand belongs to a company called "Wuro" ("Wilhelm Uebach" www.wuro.de ) who sells their products (screwdrivers etc.) and other tools under the "Athlet" name.

Thanks on the Athlet info

 

[jk47]

Got around to taking some pictures today...

Items pictured are:
Wrenches:
KTC 12/14mm flex, double-box rat. wrench (made by Kabo)
Crescent 3/4;5/8 zero offset, double-box rat. wrench (also by Kabo)

Low-profile Sockets:
KTC go-thru socket for rat. wrench in 10, 12, 14, 17, and 19mm
KTC 3/8" square drive rat. wrench adaptor.
Ko-ken surface drive sockets: 14 and 17mm

Nice pics... would have never thought KTC would go to KABO for their ratcheting wrenches. How much were they? And where did you pick them up? If you don't mind me asking.

 

[superautobacs]

@superautobacs:
nice tools !! The design of the KTC wrench looks nice !
The Crescent wrench has blurry chrome ??

Yeah, the beam design is attractive, indeed. I don't know if KTC forges and finishes the beam portion or not, but it certainly seems to add to the final cost of the wrench, which btw, was not cheap! ...but I just couldn't refrain myself from adding that into the shopping cart.

The Crescent's surface finish isn't perfectly smooth only because I picked an angle/reflection that magnifies it. Under normal view, it's really hard to see it. It's not a Nepros; it's just industry standard.

Nice pics... would have never thought KTC would go to KABO for their ratcheting wrenches. How much were they? And where did you pick them up? If you don't mind me asking.

Matco, Mac (Mac Edge), SK, Blue-point, Crescent, KTC, TONE, Pedros, and Ega-Master all source from Kabo to round up their respective rat. wrench offerings.

The price was somewhere around 4000yen, IIRC. I purchased it from http://tools.webike.net/


[EDIT]
@JayL,

Here's a video of that new 3/8" Ko-ken sliding T-bar:

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[Monte]

@AlexRS: Do you know any tool manufacturers in Portugal ? And what are the people using for brands in Portugal ?

@superautobacs:
6078 yen for the KTC wrench ?????????? wow 53 Euro for a single wrench....
Didn´t you check the currency converter before ordering ?

ps: the Ko-Ken sliding T-bar is cool !!!!!!

 

[JayL]

@ Superautobacs,

Thanks for posting the Koken video. The tool is more cooler than I had thought.

Do you know how much it is?

 

[AlexRS]

@AlexRS: Do you know any tool manufacturers in Portugal ? And what are the people using for brands in Portugal ?

There's no big tool manufacturer here, just some companies manufacturing unbranded tools, the only thing written on them is "made in portugal" most of them are strong and last forever unfortunately the finish is not that good.

People usually use Facom and Beta, i've seen some USAG, Wurth and Mader (I think Mader is German), there's also some SAM, Snap On and LUX tools around.


Continuing with the thread theme, found this earlier between my grandfather tools who sadly passed away recently

it's a Felo from around 1970 going by the logo on the handle and has seen some abuse.

 

[jk47]

Yeah, the beam design is attractive, indeed. I don't know if KTC forges and finishes the beam portion or not, but it certainly seems to add to the final cost of the wrench, which btw, was not cheap! ...but I just couldn't refrain myself from adding that into the shopping cart.

The Crescent's surface finish isn't perfectly smooth only because I picked an angle/reflection that magnifies it. Under normal view, it's really hard to see it. It's not a Nepros; it's just industry standard.




Matco, Mac (Mac Edge), SK, Blue-point, Crescent, KTC, TONE, Pedros, and Ega-Master all source from Kabo to round up their respective rat. wrench offerings.

The price was somewhere around 4000yen, IIRC. I purchased it from http://tools.webike.net/


[EDIT]
@JayL,

Here's a video of that new 3/8" Ko-ken sliding T-bar:

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WOW!!! that's a **** T-bar

 

[Vinko]

I'm very satisfied of all my Bosch tools, I can't really say something about the hammer drill as I received it as a gift for the last job I did for my grandma. But the few holes I drilled were a real pleasure, nothing to compare with the Startools **** it replace
The jigsaw works fine for me, it's just hobby use but I guess that pros feel the difference, I used some Hilti stuff and they work great ,
I've heard that they have an exceptional after-sale service, is it true?

Can't by any stretch be called a pro, but I've cut a hell of a lot with both jigsaws. More so with the Hilti by preference. I think it's got a bit better balance, it's easier for me to make more complicated cuts with it. The Bosch is a brute, but it lacks the finesse of the Hilti. I've switched between Hilti and Bosch blades, thinking there might be something to the blade, but I get the same results. Also tried the Starrett blades as well.

I've only had occasion to have the Hilti drill battery service. They got me a new one overnight or 2nd day, for free. I didn't even have to ask for express shipping.

 

[Cantause]

Exceptionnal that's the word; they don't provide parts, they only deal with professionnals, and even though your te 92 has only 100hours on it they consider it old and say it can't be repaired (after sending them the machine), I find this pissy and especially for a cut wire inside the machine .
I noticed that some of their angle grinders are from bosch.

I though that their high prices was because they had an excellent after sale service, replacement machine during the repair and so on... I'm glad I didn't buy an Hilti when I had to choose an hammer drill, I hesitated a bit...
It's not the first time I hear that Bosch and Hilti share the same design, one day a seller told me that they were made in the same factories, true or not?

I have seldom seen 12 point nuts that needed a 3/4 equipment, but the 6 points sockets cost more on the second-hand market so the 12 points are a good economical solution.
Be careful with the cheap import sockets even if they have a 3/4 drive it is still easy to break them just with the ratchet.Don't buy them at more than 1€/piece.
My current set of sockets is made out of facom, sam, irimo, tona, I think every average brand will be enough.
Imperial sizes go for quite cheap and provide a sure fit on metric fasteners most of the time.
What kind of tractors do you work on? if any help needed in that field just ask

Thanks for the advise, so I won't go for the cheap "Brico dépot" set at 50 euros including ratchet and extension bars
I have seen a set of Tengtools 6 points 14 pieces from 19 to 50 for around 140 € delivered, Tengtools has a lifetime warranty I think
Beta has the same kind of set for the same price (a bit higher I think)
By the way, is it interesting to directly buy impact sockets? or obstruction might be a problem?
I worked on M-Ferguson, Case IH (Mac Cormick) and also a Lamborghini, only old ones used by loggers to carry their trailers out of the forest. It doesn't happen often but I guess a 3/4 set can be useful when you have one...

Can't by any stretch be called a pro, but I've cut a hell of a lot with both jigsaws. More so with the Hilti by preference. I think it's got a bit better balance, it's easier for me to make more complicated cuts with it. The Bosch is a brute, but it lacks the finesse of the Hilti. I've switched between Hilti and Bosch blades, thinking there might be something to the blade, but I get the same results. Also tried the Starrett blades as well.

I've only had occasion to have the Hilti drill battery service. They got me a new one overnight or 2nd day, for free. I didn't even have to ask for express shipping.

I don't have a lot of experience using it for curves and little details but I understand what you mean...
You seem more lucky than maxipouce with Hilti's after-sale service, I guess that your batteries were under warranty!?

I've also found a nice piece of Facom tooling while looking for informations about dynapact wrenches, here is one that a French guy sell. It's a 1-1/2" drive (impact side), I don't know what it weights, I couldn't find it in the current catalogue, but as the 1" is already 10 kg...
The torque after 20 impacts is 10.000 N
If I had 500 euros to spend on an exotic tool here is what I'd buy But as usual the same problem of finding a decent set of 1-1/2 impact sockets would appear as well as the shortage of rusty M40 nuts... Life is not so fun sometimes

 

[AutomatiquE]

I personally own several Hilti tools (presents from my father). I would have never buy them, they're not made in Germany but in China or Mexico. Only the large angle grinder i own is German made but probably by Bosch. HILTI is IMHO just an overpriced brand. DUSS, FEIN, FLEX, SUHNER, KRESS or METABO should be a better choice.
A.

 

[maxipouce]

@ cantause
photo1 some specs about the ng300 dynapact (27kgs)

Standard 3/4 sockets can already have an obstruction power when separating the engines,front ends or gearboxes so I wonder what you can do with the impact ones except changing wheels!!!!
A knee is a very useful accessory for the above reasons
Keep an eye on big ring or tube spanners.
The brico depot set is good for CV joint nuts on cars that's all it can do.
You can't imagine how many people I have pissed by telling them I could drive two lamborghini's every time I could come back home and especially when I gave them the names of these beauties..... Some of them may still think a 955dt is a very special racing car.
I can't help you with teng tools or beta I do not know these personally.

Visit http://stores.ebay.de/rudolfv2555/ on ebay.de and put 3/4 in the search engine of his shop, he has many ex army products and some light used 3/4 stuff.

About the hilti te 92 adventure; I was not the owner (and glad to be so), I was the last resort guy to repair it. But don't forget it's only one point of view and it may be better in other countries or regions.
Check the service first and then buy if it seems ok.

 

[jk47]

@ Superautobacs

on the web bike world web site, I noticed that they have an english option, but that takes me to bike parts. Do they have a tool section in english?

Sorry if I over looked it... just finished a 65 hour work week

I drive a Pepsi delivery truck, lots of lifting and wheeling

 

[Monte]

ps: Hilti DC 230 = Bosch GWS



some flea market finds:

old "Fein" drill. "Fein Zwerg" ("dwarf")

old combination pliers. No brand - only "Germany" and "250 Volt". Probably one of the first insulated pliers.

old "Felo" screwdriver

old "Jörg" screwdriver

 

[matthew]

old "Felo" screwdriver

Looks familiar - here's some privately labeled Felo's:

 

[dlfiene]

old "Felo" screwdriver

Monte you just had to show that didn't you
Does that Felo screwdriver say W.GERMANY or just GERMANY my eyes are not that good to read that? Also any idea of what years they made that style and color?

@Matthew I posted some of those AT&G rebranded Felos earlier in this thread but here they are again. Oh yeah if either of you want to sell those I am always interested in them.

 

[tonydanzah]

I noticed Bwright or was it t100 posted his napa screwdrivers, so I figured I'd post mine and some other wittes.

 

[mikebramel]

Craftsman 1/2" H set from craigslist

 

[tonydanzah]

Not necessarily a tool, but i used them in the garage.

 

[BWright]

I noticed Bwright or was it t100 posted his napa screwdrivers, so I figured I'd post mine and some other wittes.

Gotta love those Protops.

 

[tonydanzah]

Gotta love those Protops.

those matcos have the sand paper grip but the napas don't are they both protops?

 

[BWright]

those matcos have the sand paper grip but the napas don't are they both protops?

Yep.

 

[bcjames]

Had a weekend working on the daily Mini, overheating, oil leak, usual Mini fun! made great use of the recently acquired NWS stuff, and I have to say, these are brilliant! Handles are very comfy, especially being chunky VDE type, and all the heads are all sharp and grippy.

MLT, would you like to sell me some SO hard handles Im not sure if I like the Wera screwdrivers yet.

 

[Monte]

nice Witte drivers !!! One day I´ll get me one each of the Napa, Matco + Cornwell ones...

here a family pic of mine:

rebadged Protop from "Bertool", original "Protop", "Protop Plus", "Protop II", "Toplus" and special "Hazet" version.

Monte you just had to show that didn't you
Does that Felo screwdriver say W.GERMANY or just GERMANY my eyes are not that good to read that? Also any idea of what years they made that style and color?

@Matthew I posted some of those AT&G rebranded Felos earlier in this thread but here they are again. Oh yeah if either of you want to sell those I am always interested in them.

The handle says "W.Germany". The handle is different though, the AT+G driver has "ribs", this one not (similar to the red ones i posted a while ago)
I`ll email Felo and ask them about the year of manufacture.

"W.Germany" and "Reg. DGM" is molded in the spinning zone of the handle.

 

[TjoFrasse]

In my neighbor town Enköping, the home of Bahco, there has this summer been a tool factory outlet store open in the Bahco facilities. Last week i went there, looking for some bargains. This is what i found:

Irazola branded flat and philips drivers. If it wasn't for the different lengths they would make i nice set.

Belzer branded torx drivers. A nice set but sadly missing T20 size.

Belzer branded hex drivers. A bit odd sizes.

These drivers are normally sold in sweden under Bahco branding, so probably foreign surplus. All were €2 each with minor visual defects, but i haven't noticed any...

Bahco branded spark plug boot puller.

Palmera ball peen hammer.

Palmera all metal scissors.

Then this week i went to the local Bauhaus for some german tools. Came back with:

Wera stubby drivers.

Knipex needle nose and combination pliers.

Knipex end cutter.

 

[Moose-LandTran]

Some that arrived today..

Various Hazet socket drivers and Alternator pulley holder. (T50 & T55, M10 triple square.)

3/4"-drive M18 triple square. Matra, VAG factory tool.

 

[matthew]

Oh yeah if either of you want to sell those I am always interested in them.

Not today, but I'll let you know... I kind of want a full set of Felo's, which might mean they get replaced at some point...

 

[Vinko]

I personally own several Hilti tools (presents from my father). I would have never buy them, they're not made in Germany but in China or Mexico. Only the large angle grinder i own is German made but probably by Bosch. HILTI is IMHO just an overpriced brand. DUSS, FEIN, FLEX, SUHNER, KRESS or METABO should be a better choice.
A.

Your father must've bought the tools recently. Or perhaps shops at Home Depot or another Big Box store? Every piece of HIlti equipment I have is made in Europe (Switzerland, Germany, Lichtenstein, or Austria). Bought in the past few years. Some batteries made in Poland. I've seen the Chinese stuff at Home Depot, but have never bought it. I do like my Metabo grinder a lot. Haven't had an opportunity to try Suhner, yet. If there's a better jigsaw out there for rough work (and esp. at Hilti's price of US$200), I'd be open to trying it.

 

[AutomatiquE]

Hi Vinko ! My father bought the mentioned tools directly from the HILTI shop in France in 2006. As i said : two corded drills "TE2" made in China, a cordless drill "SF121A" made in Mexico (Battery also made in Mexico and charger in PRC) + "DC230-S" large angle grinder made in Germany by Bosch. All these tools were on sale.
Regards.
A.

 

[superautobacs]

@TjoFrasse

Thanks for posting those pics (I especially like the Palmera stuff as that's a rare breed, hardly ever shown here). That's a pretty good deal for some nice Belzer drivers. I got my Belzer Ergo T6 driver for the same price, too.



@Monte,

IIRC, Knipex screwdrivers (non-insulated) are also Protops.
Also, I think you need to get one or more from the Stahlwille "Drall" series as well.


@Moose,

My eyes are telling me the Torx socket, third from the left, the tip is machined differently than the rest. The profile looks a bit 'shallow'.

 

[impulse922]

@Monte,

IIRC, Knipex screwdrivers (non-insulated) are also Protops.
Also, I think you need to get one or more from the Stahlwille "Drall" series as well.

funny, i was just looking at those last night..

Knipex (KNPWI20342)
5 Piece ProtopPlus Professional Screwdriver Set

 

[superautobacs]

Funny you say that; it wasn't long ago that I noticed that myself.