Tools from the old world

[Moose-LandTran]

@Moose,

My eyes are telling me the Torx socket, third from the left, the tip is machined differently than the rest. The profile looks a bit 'shallow'.

It's shorter that the two next to it. The two on the left are T50 and that one is T55. They're all long pattern, so i don't know why they're not all the same length. The T60/70 that have yet to arrive i think are the same length as that T55.

The company i buy Hazet from got my order wrong and sent me an extra-long T50 instead of the T55 that i ordered. They're sending me an extra-long T55 and told me to keep the T50 as a present!

 

[Monte]

@TjoFrasse
nice stuff !!!!!!! I wish we had a factory outlet store here !! Time to visit sweden


yes AutomatiquE is right, the TE2 (the cheapest (279.- €)) Hilti drill is "made in China by Hilti" or "Made by Hilti in China". I always thought that the cordless drills or some are made by Panasonic because they have a plant in Mexico. The SF 121-A with 2AH cost 419.- € and the 3AH version 499.- € . The prices in the US are a lot cheaper though.

@superautobacs:
yes you´re right, the "Drall+" and "3K Drall" at least are from Witte, the regular black 1-component "Drall" series probably too. Already on my wish list

re: Knipex Witte´s: in germany they don´t offer non-insulated screwdrivers, only this style: click

 

[Monte]

new NWS video on youtube

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[jk47]

Funny you say that; it wasn't long ago that I noticed that myself.

Superautobacs, how do you go about ordering from web bike tools? Do they have an english ordering section?

 

[superautobacs]

Looks like I forgot to reply back to a few posts...

@superautobacs:
6078 yen for the KTC wrench ?????????? wow 53 Euro for a single wrench....
Didn´t you check the currency converter before ordering ?

Yeah, the exchange rate was pretty good last year, at the time I ordered it....and it was 5,150 yen to be exact. Let's just say I indulged myself.

@ Superautobacs,

Thanks for posting the Koken video. The tool is more cooler than I had thought.

Do you know how much it is?

Here it's sold for 3,670 yen


BTW, Zeal tools is finally introduced now:

@ Superautobacs

on the web bike world web site, I noticed that they have an english option, but that takes me to bike parts. Do they have a tool section in english?

As far as I know, there isn't. I do believe their primary business is selling bike parts and accessories, and that's probably why they only offer that service to that segment of their business.

They're sending me an extra-long T55 and told me to keep the T50 as a present!

Awesome.

@superautobacs:
yes you´re right, the "Drall+" and "3K Drall" at least are from Witte, the regular black 1-component "Drall" series probably too. Already on my wish list

You're obsession with screwdrivers at this level is probably second to none.

 

[Vinko]

Hi Vinko ! My father bought the mentioned tools directly from the HILTI shop in France in 2006. As i said : two corded drills "TE2" made in China, a cordless drill "SF121A" made in Mexico (Battery also made in Mexico and charger in PRC) + "DC230-S" large angle grinder made in Germany by Bosch. All these tools were on sale.
Regards.
A.

Wow. I've only seen a few pieces made in PRC. Rest of it is all Western/Central European, and I couldn't be happier with quality and performance.

That said, don't have a lot of experience with their grinders, but I like the balance of my Metabo 4.5" -- and the remaining Makitas I have (7") seem to do the job well. They're a lot older, and I assume the newer Makita is ****.

 

[jk47]

Looks like I forgot to reply back to a few posts...



Yeah, the exchange rate was pretty good last year, at the time I ordered it....and it was 5,150 yen to be exact. Let's just say I indulged myself.





Here it's sold for 3,670 yen


BTW, Zeal tools is finally introduced now:

As far as I know, there isn't. I do believe their primary business is selling bike parts and accessories, and that's probably why they only offer that service to that segment of their business.





Awesome.





You're obsession with screwdrivers at this level is probably second to none.

What's the story with Zeal tools???

 

[Monte]

BTW, Zeal tools is finally introduced now:

cool ! looks good ! A similar set was displayed at the hardware fair. IIRC the sockets looked normal back then. Now these look good ! A built in recess so you can remove them with greasy fingers ? What do they write about the torque cNm ??

You're obsession with screwdrivers at this level is probably second to none.

look at Moose collection

Looks like I forgot to reply back to a few posts...

me too
(actually had to make the test before...)

I tried to figure out whether a "round" jaw design grab better or a irregular shape like the NWS pliers have. I only found this 1 piece of round material so after using the first pair of pliers and trying to turn the pliers it left already deep scars so the second pair grabbed as good as the other. So I have to get 2 fresh round pieces and try each pliers on their own piece. So the result was to take the Cobras . Much easier + better (or locking pliers) Because you don´t have to push the handles together while turning... The handles are closer together if you use pliers with the round shape though (see pic/more comfortable)

 

[Jeff]

 

[superautobacs]

What's the story with Zeal tools???

In a nutshell, Zeal, well, technically it's Z-eal (Z-series Evolution of Automotive service Lineup), was created from the culmination of all their R&D and know-how. It's tagged as being a 50-year anniversary, and geared towards the maintenance of the current generation of vehicles where things are generally crammed into a tight space, inherently requiring low-profile tools.

What do they write about the torque cNm ??

Yeah, they do look good.
The cNm is talking about the backstroke drag. They compare it with two other brands (brand A and brand B) that are single-pawl, 36-tooth (maybe Snap-on and Nepros?). They also compare it to their trued/tried/tested 2-pawl design which was favoured by users as having a very low drag (I can attest to that). Their new single-pawl design is essentially generates the same drag resistance of 1.9 cNm. Pretty cool.



look at Moose collection


Yes, Moose has a wonderful collection of Snap-On's, but you win for having the most diverse selection of brands.


me too
Nothing round?! You could've simply wipped up some Wille extensions! never!

@Sharkin,

Nice stuff. Amazon sale is just so Sorry Monte

 

[Monte]

What's the story with Zeal tools???

here the complete lineup with more info in english:
http://www.koken-tool.co.jp/en/imgs/panflets/KOKEN201008EN_Z.pdf

i wonder why they skip 9,11,15,16, and 18mm sockets ? Ok probably specially for japanese cars, but at least 15, 16 + 18 is a must imho for other stuff at least. I also wonder why they dont make a 72 tooth ratchet or something similar.
The pawl desgin looks good though with a very large contact area of the pawl/body of the ratchet.



@Sharkin:
nice punches !!!!! nice pictures !!!! Probably the most elegant punches available !!!!!!!
What i don´t like so much is the laser engraving because it will wear off after a while. Better imho is a stamped size marking and inscription.

i once made a overview of different brands:
Top to bottom:
PB
Hazet
Promat
Rennsteig
Gedore
Format
Muller
Dako
E-Top

Yes, Moose has a wonderful collection of Snap-On's, but you win for having the most diverse selection of brands.]

ok thanks ! What did i win ???

Nothing round?! You could've simply wipped up some Wille extensions! never!

ahahahahhahahahahahhahahah Noooooooooo!!!!
I think the teeth of the pliers wouldn´t like that too
I wanted to try them with screws but i dont want to artificially age the teeth of the pliers

@Sharkin,

Nice stuff. Amazon sale is just so Sorry Monte

ps: thanks for the translation !

 

[jk47]

In a nutshell, Zeal, well, technically it's Z-eal (Z-series Evolution of Automotive service Lineup), was created from the culmination of all their R&D and know-how. It's tagged as being a 50-year anniversary, and geared towards the maintenance of the current generation of vehicles where things are generally crammed into a tight space, inherently requiring low-profile to

The more I look at the Zeal series, the more I want....

Don't know if they look **** or bad ***, maybe both.

What is the black grip on the ratchet handle made of ?

The foam holder is a nice touch too.

 

[Monte]

the new Hazet 1/2" fine tooth ratchet

 

[Jononon]

Does anyone recognise the OEM for these?



Elora, maybe?

 

[Monte]

old style from SKG www.skg-werkzeuge.de

but i dont know if SKG supplies (still make) them or Narex !?!? http://www.narexby.cz/

 

[Jononon]

Thanks Monte - maybe they sold the tooling to Narex?

 

[Moose-LandTran]

BTW, Zeal tools is finally introduced now:

What are those two sockets at the back? They're so beautifully crafted, i must have them!

SO. MUCH. WANT.

 

[Monte]

The "About us" page of Narex only says this: "The quality of all PROFI screwdrivers is underpinned by a close cooperation with a German company SKG."http://proe.cz/narexby2/index.php?Lang=EN&c=narexby_1370

so i dont know, could be possible, or they borrowed the dies to make their own drivers with blades from SKG to be able to produce them cheaper ??? (min. wages 1,76 € in 2007....)... i dunno...


@moose:
i think that are the spark plug sockets.

 

[Moose-LandTran]

@moose:
i think that are the spark plug sockets.

That's what i thought, but they're completely different to the ones i've seen. Is Zeal a special/new line for Koken?

 

[Monte]

yes it´s a new additional line. Please look at post 2688

here a PDF with their new lineup of "Z-series" tools
http://www.koken-tool.co.jp/en/imgs/panflets/KOKEN201008EN_Z.pdf

 

[Monte]

Found this at the flea today. Only 5.-. Facom "Borneo" brand new Slotted/PZ drivers

Powervul ?

 

[maxipouce]

HaHa borneo screwdrivers
those screws were invented so one can use either a flat or o pozidriv screwdriver and those morons have managed to invent a tool that can only be used on recent electrical material,.... pfffffff.

 

[Jononon]

HaHa borneo screwdrivers
those screws were invented so one can use either a flat or o pozidriv screwdriver and those morons have managed to invent a tool that can only be used on recent electrical material,.... pfffffff.

The morons are at wherever they invented those wretched screws, which not only have no drive surface to speak of but also seem universally to be made of chrome plated Plasticine. The screwdrivers themselves are pretty useful.

(Thread about this, just the other day)

 

[maxipouce]

The morons are at wherever they invented those wretched screws, which not only have no drive surface to speak of but also seem universally to be made of chrome plated Plasticine. The screwdrivers themselves are pretty useful.

(Thread about this, just the other day)

I rode the mentionnend thread 5 minutes ago and the POS posted by the owner has just cheap stamped screws. These particularly remind me of the extensions screws for attaching appliances onto plasterboard walls.
On the French (and german and other) serious electrical material the screws take slotted screwdrivers just as well as pozidriv ones.

 

[epiphany]

I should stop buying stuff, bought too much. I'm going to be the king of the rebranded tools.

Circum screwdriver set (rebranded witte protop screwdrivers, i guess)


bought two sets, because they were cheap

Connex VDE screwdriver


Old Meister screwdriver Made in W.Germany (bought that last week from the toom store )


Felo bitholder & Felo bit ratchet


Old felo set from ebay, maybe Monte can tell more about that one



More from ebay (some non passed VDE screwdrivers, but they look beautiful)


Lux screwdriver set (relabeled felos)



Lux VDE bitholder (relabeled felo too?)

 

[epiphany]

amazing collection of pliers you got there...


ps: which size got the bigger combi plier? looks huge.

 

[Chreese]

1/4" Garant (Ko-ken?) and Stahlwille ratchet. The Garant ratchet's operation is very smooth. Feels great.

Chreese

 

[AlexRS]

@Chreese,
That Garant ratchet looks great

@Monte,
@ the Powervul, Facom typical translations...

And keeping on the Facom subject, bought this last week:

Facom ProTwist screwdrivers:

Facom 440 wrenches:

LUX punches:

 

[impulse922]

@ AlexRS

you have good taste, my last tool order contained that exact set of wrenches(but in foam) and that same set of punches(but were branded gedore)

 

[Vinko]

Those Facom wrenches look great.

 

[joeswamp]

I really want to get a set of Facom 440's, looks like I may have to order from the UK.

 

[impulse922]

I really want to get a set of Facom 440's, looks like I may have to order from the UK.

dont forget to factor in ~$15 for customs/broker fees.

I only have one gripe with mine.. the larger wrenches are kind of on the short side. Also, wait until the exchange rate is a little more favorable if you do decide to splurge.

 

[AlexRS]

@ AlexRS

you have good taste, my last tool order contained that exact set of wrenches(but in foam) and that same set of punches(but were branded gedore)

Those Facom wrenches look great.

I really want to get a set of Facom 440's, looks like I may have to order from the UK.

No one sells Facom in the US?
Found some Facom on the Sears website but none 440.

 

[The Muffin Man]

I really want to get a set of Facom 440's, looks like I may have to order from the UK.

Fractional:
http://www.ultimategarage.com/shop/part.php?products_id=3342

Metric:
http://www.ultimategarage.com/shop/part.php?products_id=2624

 

[otis66]

That notch tells you were to insert the detent ball of your ratchet

 

[Cantause]

@ maxipouce
Thanks for the advises about the 3/4 sockets, I'll keep watching on ebay for a bargain. I saw in another post that some GJ members had a really nice deal on 3/4 Koken sockets, I'll wait for something like that.
Thanks also for the informations about the Dynapact wrenches, I received last week a 1" 8 sockets set for my dynapact 1", no brand tools but I hope they'll do the job... So now I have a few "large" size sockets until a real 3/4 set.

@ Monte:

I need your help!

I'd like to buy a torque wrench for a friend of mine which is getting married. We have a long story about torque wrenches and I think it's a more useful gift than silver spoons.... Once he borrowed mine to rebuilt his bike's engine and became torque-holic, tightening every single bolt of his bike with the torque wrench, so as he hadn't bought one I was thinking about helping him in his metrological vice

I saw the torque wrench test that you posted a while ago but I haven't seen any Gedore or Caraulus torque wrench in it, do you know if there is a big quality difference? (as they're both made in Germany) or is the price difference just marketing? do they share the same mechanism?

I also considered a Proxxon 3 wrenches set but they seems inaccurate at least at the beginning of their range but ok for higher torques...
I've heard somewhere that torque wrenches shouldn't be used under 40% of their full range, is it true for all wrenches?

Thank you for your help!

Staying in the metrology, here are my Mitutoyo measurement tools:

Micrometers: 0-25 ; 25-50 ; 75-100
Caliper 150 mm
Optical flats

Gauge block set:

 

[superautobacs]

@AlexRS,

I'm curious. What do the boxes on on the 440 wrenches and the screwdrivers say for the COO?

Thanks.

 

[impulse922]

@AlexRS,

I'm curious. What do the boxes on on the 440 wrenches and the screwdrivers say for the COO?

Thanks.

its not on the box for the 440s

 

[AlexRS]

@AlexRS,

I'm curious. What do the boxes on on the 440 wrenches and the screwdrivers say for the COO?

Thanks.

The screwdrivers have France written on the handles, like impulse said above the 440's don't have the COO written anywhere, I was told they are made in Italy but don't know if that's true, Facom has factories all over Europe

 

[Cantause]

@AlexRS,

I'm curious. What do the boxes on on the 440 wrenches and the screwdrivers say for the COO?

Thanks.

From Farnell's website it says the last main production step of the 440's has been done in Italy.
As the Usag 285 wrenches look identical to the 440's (except for the brand name) they're probably made in Italy...