Tools from the old world

[Olafur]

Olafur : Nice Unior tool box, first time i see such stamped parts on a tool box, very smart purchase How thick is the metal ? 1mm ?

It measures 0,9 mm. (including paint/coating on both sides of the sheet).
I think Facom boxes have similar stamps in sides and hinges.

 

[AutomatiquE]

^^ My brother have one of those Facom tool boxes you mentioned. They're nicely made (in Italy) but with too thin metal sheets for my taste. Also, iirc Facom's don't have any stamps on sides.

 

[bart1]

^^ My brother have one of those Facom tool boxes you mentioned. They're nicely made (in Italy) but with too thin metal sheets for my taste. Also, iirc Facom's don't have any stamps on sides.

Of course, I have to point out that Hazet has them as well...

 

[AutomatiquE]

Bart1, i'm not talking about the "190/Hazet" marking stamps but more precisely about the stamps located on Unior's toolbox sides, you can see them on Olafur's photos. For myself, i own the same hazet 190 toolbox as your. It's heavily made but still overpriced IMO.

 

[bart1]

You think the Unior is stronger? Maybe. The Hazet is a bit expensive for what it is, but good quality.

 

[AutomatiquE]

You think the Unior is stronger? Maybe. The Hazet is a bit expensive for what it is, but good quality.

The 190 is very strong if you compare it with some cheap thin toolboxes. The Unior is at least better finished, that's for sure

 

[Olafur]

^^ My brother have one of those Facom tool boxes you mentioned. They're nicely made (in Italy) but with too thin metal sheets for my taste. Also, iirc Facom's don't have any stamps on sides.

Ok, thanks for the correction. I did some google search and you are right.

I think Unior deserves few more pics:

Unior also makes tool tray for this box.

Unior's wheel cabinets are also impressive - smooth but robust drawers and nice finish.

 

[Monte]

i think the Hazet tool box price is ok, Gedore wants more than 100 €

I've seen the COO for the Stanlet sweetheart stuff at Woodcraft and its England with foreign materials.

nice ! Did you buy one ?
I´m looking for a Veritas or Rali one day

I was looking for a tool box and decided to pay the Icelandic Stahlwille dealer a visit. He is also a dealer for Unior tools.

Very nice tool box ! how much ?

nice (Bost ?) screwdrivers !







one more for the collection:

Matador 13mm combination wrench in the new design
www.Matador.de

new vs. old design:

 

[superautobacs]

lots of great stuff here, as usual.

I wonder if anyone in Eastern Europe has seen this commercial? The person who uploaded it claims that he produced it, back in 1983. I've posted this here before, but never got any attention. I think it's a cool commercial and deserves an encore.

<iframe width="425" height="349" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/ZCdepUnWA2A" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

Lots of videos to watch after that too.

 

[Monte]

nice old school ad


this Unior video is cool:

<iframe width="425" height="349" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/YwBSFOTEPjI" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

 

[AutomatiquE]

@superautobacs + Monte : Thank you both for those Unior Youtube finds. Definetely better to spend 10mm by watching an old tool ad than watching a saturday evening tv show...

@Olafur : Thanks for these additional toolbox pictures, you did a good job

@Monte : New Matador wrenches don't say "Germany" anymore ?!?

 

[superautobacs]

Great video for sure.

Interestingly, other than the workers feeding/operating the automated machines, it seems like there's very little manual labour involving the production of wrenches/socketry/pliers.

You'd probably never expect an American tool company to choose classical music for their promotional video.

 

[Moose-LandTran]

You'd probably never expect an American tool company to choose classical music for their promotional video.

Often seems to be ***** music..

 

[cosmik binturong]

Often seems to be ***** music..

hence all the tool **** threads that abound on this predominently north-american male and Raccoon dominated site!

speaking of which, Queenie said: "Antlers!" so you're up to a surprise...

...

yeah, i know... no pics today

two reasons: rain AND what almost nobody has here(well, i hope or else you'll all go ),
it's in need of some clean-up before being publicly shown. (hint: it doesn't fly and has a long beak)

 

[Monte]

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@Monte : New Matador wrenches don't say "Germany" anymore ?!?

no ehhh yes
not on the tool and not on the sticker....only on the phone

Interestingly, other than the workers feeding/operating the automated machines, it seems like there's very little manual labour involving the production of wrenches/socketry/pliers.

here´s a video of a robot forge similar to what Gedore uses in their bavarian factory:

http://www.lasco.de/db/lasco/index-neu-englisch.nsf/Movie_Uebersicht_Umformtechnik?OpenPage
(Automatic hammer forging)




btw: old tool ad´s
Old Bosch ad´s:

<iframe width="425" height="349" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/c7LQiNsAiDg" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

<iframe width="425" height="349" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/aQPB3okWKAY" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

<iframe width="425" height="349" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/wyFOwvmzdJg" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

<iframe width="425" height="349" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/b9x2enr3KBc" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>







since real shopping is soo expensive i did some window shopping

 

[Altec]

Got the Hazet 810 set ordered! Plus a Cripe order.

I had done some side work with my Pappy (Dakota 4.7 Engine Swap...), and when my Mom brought up paying me, I told her to just buy me tools! I sent her a small Cripe order, but she took it on herself to order the Hazet's. I guess she herd me talking about them!

Thanks Mommy!

 

[Olafur]

Very nice tool box ! how much ?
nice (Bost ?) screwdrivers !

Unior, 550mm long price ("offer"..) = €60
And for comparison:
Facom box, 475mm long BT.11A = €103
No-name 4-500mm long (low or no quality) boxes ~ €45-70..

And yes Bost drivers. Probably 8 year old set I have reserved for electrical use until lately. Nice handles and decent tips. Light and easy to spin fast.

This new Matador spanners is truly a beauty! I need some!

 

[Monte]

Got the Hazet 810 set ordered! Plus a Cripe order.

I had done some side work with my Pappy (Dakota 4.7 Engine Swap...), and when my Mom brought up paying me, I told her to just buy me tools! I sent her a small Cripe order, but she took it on herself to order the Hazet's. I guess she herd me talking about them!

Thanks Mommy!

nice Mum ! Post some pics when the screwdrivers arrive !

Unior, 550mm long price ("offer"..) = €60
And for comparison:
Facom box, 475mm long BT.11A = €103
No-name 4-500mm long (low or no quality) boxes ~ €45-70..

And yes Bost drivers. Probably 8 year old set I have reserved for electrical use until lately. Nice handles and decent tips. Light and easy to spin fast.

Thx for the price info. For that price a very good decision. (The best probably compared to the other offers/prices...) Over here these no-name boxes start around 15 €

The Bost drivers feel good (Stanley branded over here)....maybe if i ever can find them for a good price.....

This new Matador spanners is truly a beauty! I need some!

They´re ok. Almost taiwanese quality

 

[Olafur]

Monte: Picking up this Unior box was a no-brainer. Pricing over here is all fucked up after the "financial bonanza years" and following banking crash. We have a retail sector suitable for at least 1 million people, but we are only 320.000. If I remember correctly 2/3 of it is de-facto bankrupt and run by the new banks. I think this is conservative figure. The banks are squeezing every last penny out of these companies to try to balance there books and stay afloat. So even the dirt cheap worthless junk is priced like real goods, even quality goods!

We have new BAUHAUS store, some 22.000 square meters, that was supposed to open for business in december 2008 but never did.

Yesterday I went to a home builder store, built 2006. It was almost empty and the staff was sleepy. One out of 10 cash registers was open in the middle of the summer.

See-photo album from this store

But this is hardly the subject of this fine thread. Has more to to with economics.

 

[american lockpicker]

btw: old tool ad´s
Old Bosch ad´s:

<iframe width="425" height="349" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/c7LQiNsAiDg" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

<iframe width="425" height="349" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/aQPB3okWKAY" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

<iframe width="425" height="349" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/wyFOwvmzdJg" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

<iframe width="425" height="349" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/b9x2enr3KBc" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

Nice videos. Any new ones? Also its odd they dropped Germany off that wrench, they also did that with all Stubai wrenches and I won't be getting any now.

 

[Olafur]

Time for some serious German steel:
This one is probably 30 years old, give or take. I got this from "professional" shop few years ago and it was barely working. I took it apart and and discovered it was infected by the icelandic MBA disease - FOS! ( full of ****)

Now it purrs like a ***** cat and the 36 teeth ratchet mechanism is like new.
It could probably be used as braker bar, it seems it already has seen the business end of a pipe extension.

 

[PrecisionTools]

A big "danke" to Monte for putting me on to Schmitz. It seems they are the manufacturer of my favourite CK brand anyway! Nice to be able to go direct to the real manufacturer now.

 

[TjoFrasse]

Monte: Bad move of Matador. I have found Matador not to be so well known in Sweden, and without it showing on the tools, I don't think many will know their origins...

I have a junk find to post. A friend recently bought a old farm. Previous owners have not been so good with taking care of stuff, and a lot of time has been spent fixing, cleaning and building. Last week while digging around the garage, I found something buried in the grass. It was a old wrench, with a extension and a spark plug socket. I laid in some acetic acid (approx. 6%) for a while. Then I cleaned it up, and here it is.

It's a Gedore flex head, a Bahco extension and a Biltema spark plug socket. The mechanism in the ratchet destroyed by rust. The holding ball on the extension has seized. Perhaps the ratchet could be saved by a rebuild kit, but I don't think I will bother.

 

[AutomatiquE]

Unior, 550mm long price ("offer"..) = €60
And for comparison:
Facom box, 475mm long BT.11A = €103
No-name 4-500mm long (low or no quality) boxes ~ €45-70..

Jeeez that's so much money I always thought France was the most expensive country in the world ! Facom tool boxes are on sale over here :
- Facom BT.11 (470mm) : EUR 38,- (+ vat),
- Facom BT.13 (560mm) : EUR 46.70 (+ vat).

Btw, i looked your photo album. Really strange to see, no people in store but so much goods on shelfs. Quite unrealistic

@Monte : Not a good idea from Matador to not mention the coo on their new wrenches...

 

[Monte]

Monte: Picking up this Unior box was a no-brainer. Pricing over here is all fucked up after the "financial bonanza years" and following banking crash. We have a retail sector suitable for at least 1 million people, but we are only 320.000. If I remember correctly 2/3 of it is de-facto bankrupt and run by the new banks. I think this is conservative figure. The banks are squeezing every last penny out of these companies to try to balance there books and stay afloat. So even the dirt cheap worthless junk is priced like real goods, even quality goods!

...but if nobody buy their overpriced stuff the plan don´t work....

We have new BAUHAUS store, some 22.000 square meters, that was supposed to open for business in december 2008 but never did.

That´s sad, because Bauhaus has the better stuff (at least here) ...Knipex, Matador, Wera, Fiskars, Gardena, Wolf, Stabila, rebadged Wiha, Spax....

Yesterday I went to a home builder store, built 2006. It was almost empty and the staff was sleepy. One out of 10 cash registers was open in the middle of the summer.

wow thats a huuuuge store !! Built for a city of 1 million people it seems

btw.: nice Stahlwille ratchet !!!

Nice videos. Any new ones?

2011 Bosch TV ad:

<iframe width="560" height="349" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/fiR-pnAnGqo" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

btw: the email from the Bosch forum:
[email protected]

Also its odd they dropped Germany off that wrench, they also did that with all Stubai wrenches and I won't be getting any now.

no longer austrian made ?

A big "danke" to Monte for putting me on to Schmitz. It seems they are the manufacturer of my favourite CK brand anyway! Nice to be able to go direct to the real manufacturer now.

Bitte


@TjoFrasse:
very nice find !!
you could try to warranty the ratchet

Monte: Bad move of Matador. I have found Matador not to be so well known in Sweden, and without it showing on the tools, I don't think many will know their origins...

i guess origin is not that important anymore nowadays

@Monte : Not a good idea from Matador to not mention the coo on their new wrenches...

nope.... Their new sockets don´t have a coo on them either...

Today's purchase,C-clamp,who is Oem? Stahlwille also very similar but price is higher.

Wezag
http://www.wezag.de/content/view/48/1/lang,en_US/







Stanley Classic 199

can be used with different blades:

 

[cosmik binturong]

ok guys, here is the one and only tool from...


ta-da!


...


...


still no idea???

...


ta-da! (again!)



Neeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeew Zealaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaand!

the markings are not very legible on the pix but is there!

neither here

it's a Tullen clipper that i found while cleaning, of all places and things, my mom's garden tools.
she doesn't even know where that might come from, maybe she picked it up at a gardening festival. who knows...

so, if you do have some NZ made tools too, post'em here, Oceania is Old World too!

 

[Olafur]

Jeeez that's so much money I always thought France was the most expensive country in the world ! Facom tool boxes are on sale over here :
- Facom BT.11 (470mm) : EUR 38,- (+ vat),
- Facom BT.13 (560mm) : EUR 46.70 (+ vat).

Btw, i looked your photo album. Really strange to see, no people in store but so much goods on shelfs. Quite unrealistic

Yes it is. Like so many things over here.

BTW the photo album belongs engineering firm involved in the construction, and according to metadata these pics were taken: 28 November 2007. Almost a year before the banking crash. It was empty then and still is.

Internet shopping, like ebay is often the answer but shipping cost on single items is the main hurdle. I do not like to pay more for shipping than the item, but it happens.

 

[Jure]

some new Unior wrenches...

 

[cosmik binturong]

time to get to the meaty stuff... err... sushi stuff???


Marvel's ME-22C copper cable cutter: like mrt〄〄ls' one but with yellow handles!

(with the Japan-made H.K. Porter hard wire cutter i posted with the Felcos...)

another view:

business-end view:

thank you again mrt〄〄ls!

 

[Olafur]

wow thats a huuuuge store !! Built for a city of 1 million people it seems
btw.: nice Stahlwille ratchet !!!

This store is the third for this retailer in Reykjavik area. Its "competitor" has other 3. Include BAUHAUS we have 7 in an area serving 170.000 people. Add to this all the smaller specialized retailers...

I kid you not.

And yes, actually it is amazing how nice this ratchet still is considering the abuse it has taken. For many years I have had great respect for Stahlwille , and it just keeps growing.

 

[cosmik binturong]

next some tools pulled from the bike shop:

assorted PB Swiss screwdrivers

red handles for eveyone:

with well used tips

misc. tools, some bike related, some not:

 

[cosmik binturong]

Olafur, that mall is haunting.

should be repurposed as a shopping paradise for agoraphobic people...

 

[TjoFrasse]

Jeeez that's so much money I always thought France was the most expensive country in the world ! Facom tool boxes are on sale over here :
- Facom BT.11 (470mm) : EUR 38,- (+ vat),
- Facom BT.13 (560mm) : EUR 46.70 (+ vat).

That is cheap! Here I would have to pay €80 + 25% VAT for a BT.11.

@TjoFrasse:
very nice find !!
you could try to warranty the ratchet

i guess origin is not that important anymore nowadays

If anyone would want to try repair/warranty, I'll send it to you if you pay shipping.

I'm of to Bauhaus to buy the last Germany marked Matador stuff...

This store is the third for this retailer in Reykjavik area. Its "competitor" has other 3. Include BAUHAUS we have 7 in an area serving 170.000 people. Add to this all the smaller specialized retailers...

Wow, I thought my town of 120 000 was overpopulated with that kind of retailers, but it's not near those numbers. That is ridiculous!

some new Unior wrenches...

Looks nice! All these Unior posts makes me keen to try them out. Must find a retailer! Sweden is not listed in the reseller list on their home page so...

 

[dykmore]

@Monte: only a little note - there is an action sale in Czech Tesco stores just now - they discontinue selling of Stanley tools. Those Stanley knives nr.199 are there for 2Eur

 

[cosmik binturong]

some screwdriver love in black and blue(and a bit of red'n violet)
with Facom's finest, Wiha Proturn 1k, a brand new Bost, a Meister, and old Gedore, a Kraftwerk and some Wera... enjoy!

all are good ones except one: can you find it?

a cookie for the winner! (or a )

edit:
btw, do you, Monte, know who the OEM is for those definitely non-swiss Kraftwerk Torx drivers?

 

[lbgradwell]

all are good ones except one: can you find it?

a cookie for the winner! (or a )

Extrême gauche.

Bière, svp...

 

[cosmik binturong]

Extrême gauche.

no dice Sherlock...

Bière, svp...

and no nor cookie!


next earthling please!



no one said it was that easy!

 

[Moose-LandTran]

some screwdriver love in black and blue(and a bit of red'n violet)
with Facom's finest, Wiha Proturn 1k, a brand new Bost, a Meister, and old Gedore, a Kraftwerk and some Wera... enjoy!

I used to have some Bost waterpump pliers, i'm sure they were made in France solely for the English market. They were by far the most infuriating tool i've ever used. No matter what you did, they would adjust themselves when you tried to use them so the jaws were WAY too far apart for what you were working on. Try to use them on constant tension hose clamps? You're going to get so angry.

I gave them to someone else to pass on the misery. Cracks me up inside when they try to use them and get angry.



It's gotta be the Bost, for the reason above.

 

[cosmik binturong]

I used to have some Bost waterpump pliers, i'm sure they were made in France solely for the English market. They were by far the most infuriating tool i've ever used. No matter what you did, they would adjust themselves when you tried to use them so the jaws were WAY too far apart for what you were working on. Try to use them on constant tension hose clamps? You're going to get so angry.

that's the Bost lottery... one is perfect the other is making you want to drill your nuts with a two inches auger!

I gave them to someone else to pass on the misery. Cracks me up inside when they try to use them and get angry.

you facetious Moose!

It's gotta be the Bost, for the reason above.

yeah, that's the one... "brand new" as in "brand new third warranty replacement" one...

too bad, i really liked those drivers, won't be buying new ones though; or only NOS ones.

your cookies are in the enveloppe and that enveloppe is taking an easyjet plane or whatever flies away from here tomorrow! enjoy!

and seeing that you love so much all things Bost...

 

[Jure]

Looks nice! All these Unior posts makes me keen to try them out. Must find a retailer! Sweden is not listed in the reseller list on their home page so...

any ebay will list you some of unior tools