Tools from the old world

[Zorro13]

Do you have some close up pics of the Garant torque wrench handle and the Walter wrenches ?

No Problem. Let's start with the Garant handles first:

and compare them with the budget version of a Hazet torque wrench:

The Garant are very precise to adjust. You see the type of plastic seems to be the same as on the Hazet, just a different color. So far I'm really happy I got them. Will now look for a Stahlwille 3/8" head plus 13, 17, 22 mm box ends. Then I can even sell my Craftsman.

Lets see what Walter has to say. First two box ends 12/13 and 16/17:

Then some open box pics. It's a battle between Walter and Gedore. Both 16/17:

Due to the slime handle and better feels I usually grab the Gedore although it shows already some wear. Overall Walter is just a regular German tool. Nothing special,I see them in line with Elora, Format, Elofort and some Taiwan brands. Decently priced but not as refined as Wille, Hazet, Gedore.

 

[johnnybentwrench]

Found this today for 20.00 at the Flea Market

Again, No deep sockets standing up???

any idea who makes it?? no markings

were these made in MEXICO??

 

[american lockpicker]

Example link: http://cgi.ebay.com/Faber-Castell-TK-matic-push-button-pencil-0-5mm-/160595626262

After falling that link I noticed the old Pentel mech pencils I used to use in school suddenly are valuable. So I picked this up today for $4.65 with tax.

http://cgi.ebay.com/Japan-made-Pent...=160595626262&ps=63&clkid=1737373391601852455

The black one I've had since around 2000, oddly enough I wasn't allowed to use it in drafting. I switched out the internals with a frends pencil and it uses 0.9mm lead.

Found this tiny knife from "Robi Klaas" in my desk:

Nice knife, I used to be into knives till I found this thread now I don't have the money for that hobby...

I lurk on this board all the time, but came upon this thread today and just had to sign up!

Does anyone know where these Proxxon offset wrenches are built

Welcome to GJ!

Taiwan.

 

[Monte]

Monte, do you think that Mannesmann tape COO is Germany?

i guess china. Is there something printed on the tape like the "registration number/type approval ?

No Problem. Let's start with the Garant handles first:

thx for the pics ! The Garant torque wrenches look really **** ! Even better than the original It seems you already used them !
Are all of the Walter wrenches original "Carl Walter" wrenches or these Walter ?:

Nice knife, I used to be into knives till I found this thread now I don't have the money for that hobby...

hand tool hobby is much better anyway

 

[dykmore]

@Monte: there is no marking on the tape... But thanks

 

[blue dog]

Found this today for 20.00 at the Flea Market

Again, No deep sockets standing up???

any idea who makes it?? no markings

were these made in MEXICO??

That thing is sweet.

 

[kissmeimgerman]

Sandvik Saw

 

[johnnybentwrench]

Hazet small a pre 65 Dealer tool Board Wrench 41 X 36
Porsche or Mercedes

 

[Zorro13]

thx for the pics ! The Garant torque wrenches look really **** ! Even better than the original It seems you already used them !
Are all of the Walter wrenches original "Carl Walter" wrenches or these Walter ?:

The box end wrench shows the sign of C. Walter. I bought both sets 15 years ago from the same dealer, so I think the open end are also C. Walter, although the sign is missing. Anyway, finish and forging tells me they are both 'originals' not Chinese copy Cats from the Austrian Walter.

The Garant torque wrenches were sold as used parts on ebay. It looks like the 40-200 is virtually new, while the 20-120Nm was put in action.

 

[dykmore]

My new Komelon... The transparent package turns to yellow color during the years while laying in the shop

 

[catfish]

I thought Komelon was a Korean brand , at least the wind up tapes you find on building sites are made in Korea.

 

[dykmore]

You're right, it's made in Korea. I were in Seoul this January, but I had no time to check the tool shops there

 

[bart1]

Ok, its show time for some of my tool goodies.

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Will close this post with two shots. First my current torque wrench collection. Will sell the Hazet soon.
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Hope you enjoyed the show

Excellent tools!

Hmmm, now about that torque wrench...

found a 16x17 HZ wrench (but it´s a older version i think...)
.... took some pics:

HZ is a little bit deeper:

Thanks for the pics! The one my buddy looked at was a lower case a, they may have changed a bit.

don't worry, we'll be sending you a disposal unit for the box in a couple hours...

now, where's bart1 phone number?...

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I'm always available for Hazet disposal

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and don't listen to that bart1 guy: those Hazet do not fit your bolts*!

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* just in case, i'm joking, eh!

Shut it, flashy cat.*

* Me too

 

[Jeff]

I thought Komelon was a Korean brand , at least the wind up tapes you find on building sites are made in Korea.

Made in China

 

[dykmore]

My one is from Korea:

 

[canuckian]

Made in China

I just got the same set from princess auto. Disappointing coo but I love the self locking feature!

 

[Monte]

Anyone have any Orbis pliers they can show off? Where can I get their stuff in the states, I want to try them out!

http://www.atlweldingsupply.com/Pratt-Reed-Pliers_c_576.html

Rebadged Orbis pliers almost for free....

The box end wrench shows the sign of C. Walter. I bought both sets 15 years ago from the same dealer, so I think the open end are also C. Walter, although the sign is missing. Anyway, finish and forging tells me they are both 'originals' not Chinese copy Cats from the Austrian Walter.

The Garant torque wrenches were sold as used parts on ebay. It looks like the 40-200 is virtually new, while the 20-120Nm was put in action.

thanks for the info !!
Ah ok i thought you bought the torque wrenches brand new and did some 24 hour shifts because the one looked already used





NT Cutter knife www.ntcutter.co.jp

 

[kissmeimgerman]

http://www.atlweldingsupply.com/Pratt-Reed-Pliers_c_576.html

Rebadged Orbis pliers almost for free....

Amazing, thanks Monte! I emailed Orbis and they were baffled I had even heard of them. I was asking them about some of their micro cutters/pliers, supposedly those are not available in the US. But the PR versions you linked me to will work great for other applications, thanks!

 

[jensputzier]

The Garant are very precise to adjust. You see the type of plastic seems to be the same as on the Hazet, just a different color.

Garant is a brand of the Hoffmann group, a large tool dealer. Hazet manufactures several tools that are branded Garant. This does not mean that these tools have the same quality as Hazet, but they do not have to be worse.

 

[Monte]

Are the other Orbis (or Will) pliers available in the US ?

 

[kissmeimgerman]

Are the other Orbis (or Will) pliers available in the US ?

{Dear Ethan,



thank you very much for your request. My name is Andreas H. Groten, area sales manager of America and Canada.

We do not sell the requested items in the US currently.

We do not know how you got to know us and what your intention is.

If you looking for your personal need you will find great German products at our mother companies stock holding branch in the US:






Alan Sipe, President and GM, North America

Knipex Tools LP
2035 South Arlington Heights Road

Suite 110
Arlington Heights, IL 60005

[email protected]
Cell: 847-910-1063
Fax: 847 890 6972
Office: 847-398-8520 x 201




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In case of bigger quantities, tenders and contracts It might be interesting to have a look at additional opportunities and direct contact.





With best regards



Orbis Will

GmbH + Co. KG



ppa. Andreas H. Groten

- Export-Manager -

_______________________________

Telefon +49 (0) 2561 / 424-48

Telefax +49 (0) 2561 / 424-9848

E-Mail [email protected]

Internet www.OrbisWill.de

They sent me to Knipex

 

[cosmik binturong]

They sent me to Knipex

.../...

thank you very much for your request. My name is Andreas H. Groten, area sales manager of America and Canada.

We do not sell the requested items in the US currently.

We do not know how you got to know us and what your intention is.

If you looking for your personal need you will find great German products at our mother companies stock holding branch in the US:

.../...

with that kind of attitude i'm not sure that guy sells much stuff...

a better answer might have been something along those lines:

<< We do not actually sell the requested items in the US currently but i'm going to look into it and see if we can satisfy your craving for fine german tools instead of letting you hang dry and go buy *other brands* somewhere else. Stay tuned for our expanding line of german-made pliers sold in the US! >>

f-wordtard!

not an ounce of brain.

 

[Monte]

They sent me to Knipex

They know what´s good for you

 

[kissmeimgerman]

Guy from Orbis forwarded my email to Knipex.

Ethan,



I’m the KNIPEX sales manager for your area. KNIPEX is the parent company of ORBIS and is distributed in North America. I have listed our website below and made suggestions for KNIPEX pliers the closely match what you are looking for. We have several distributors here in the United States that make our pliers available to purchase.



Orbis # KNIPEX #

16-160 13 02 160
95-080 25 01 160
95-090 79 02 120
95-110 25 21 160



http://www.knipex-tools.com/en/home/





Please let me know if you have any additional questions.



Regards,



Randy Booth

Sales Manager

KNIPEX Tools LP

Office: 407-699-4602

Fax: 847-890-6966

Cell: 407-620-9340

[email protected]

Knipex is the parent of Orbis, did not know that! Guess that is why he sent me to Knipex instead.

 

[AutomatiquE]

Hazet manufactures several tools that are branded Garant. This does not mean that these tools have the same quality as Hazet,

Interresting, elaborate please.

@Monte : Nice NT cutter, did you buy it at a local store or online ?

 

[Monte]

@Monte : Nice NT cutter, did you buy it at a local store or online ?

i bought it "offline". They´re quite common in germany, most painter stores carry NT here. They also offer circle cutters

here are some in .fr

http://www.otto-office.com/bf/Recherche/NT-Cutter/brandid-ntcutter/f

http://www.pressel.com/group.whtml?...d=2000018&v_gr3=60&v_gr3_id=3000559&newcart=y

 

[Moose-LandTran]

Britool HVT72000 torque wrench, Made in England.

Oh yeah, it's 3/4"-drive!

Can't wait for it to arrive!

 

[american lockpicker]

My one is from Korea:

Which Korea? Also does anyone have any North Korean tools?

NT Cutter knife www.ntcutter.co.jp

I seen to remember wanting that or a similar knife, you have a link for getting one here?

 

[Jononon]

Moose, is that a Norbar in disguise?

 

[Moose-LandTran]

Moose, is that a Norbar in disguise?

I wouldn't be at all surprised if it's actually made by Norbar, but this is the classic Britool torque wrench style. I've seen a couple cheap copies that were similar, but as far as i know there weren't any Norbars made in this style. (could be wrong.)

Not bad for £142, eh?

 

[Rossco]

I wouldn't be at all surprised if it's actually made by Norbar, but this is the classic Britool torque wrench style. I've seen a couple cheap copies that were similar, but as far as i know there weren't any Norbars made in this style. (could be wrong.)

Not bad for £142, eh?

Good Wrench. The company had all 3 sizes in use when I served my time.

I never seen a Norbar with a fixed head like that .. I have a nice little G'Norbar 3/8 driver .. only does 20nm .. Bless it

 

[Rossco]

I wouldn't be at all surprised if it's actually made by Norbar, but this is the classic Britool torque wrench style. I've seen a couple cheap copies that were similar, but as far as i know there weren't any Norbars made in this style. (could be wrong.)

Not bad for £142, eh?

Good Wrench. The company had all 3 sizes in use when I served my time.

I never seen a Norbar with a fixed head like that .. I have a nice little G'Norbar 3/8 driver .. only does 20nm .. Bless it

 

[AutomatiquE]

Which Korea? Also does anyone have any North Korean tools?

I don't think they produce any sort of tools. Only Nukes.

@Monte, thanks for NT cutter's links.

 

[Moose-LandTran]

Good Wrench. The company had all 3 sizes in use when I served my time.

I never seen a Norbar with a fixed head like that .. I have a nice little G'Norbar 3/8 driver .. only does 20nm .. Bless it

When i was in college they had one there. Must've been tough to survive our class and all the other idiots that went through that place!

I have a little 3/8" Norbar, 8-50nm. Could do with one of those 1-20nm ones though. I have a few (now obsolete) Norbar slimlines, which are great.

 

[dykmore]

Which Korea? Also does anyone have any North Korean tools?

I believe that Komelon is a South Korea company ...at least the package looks very "american"

 

[AutomatiquE]

"Raaco" Storage box :

 

[american lockpicker]

"Raaco" Storage box :

Interesting. All I see here is US, UK, and Israeli storage containers. I wonder if I can get them here.

 

[Zorro13]

Interesting, elaborate please.

If you search the Hoffman website/catalog you can find lots of indications where the Garant brand sources its tools. Since Hoffman is a industrial supplier and Garant is rated as one of their top brands, one can be sure to get high quality stuff for a reasonable price. Used tools are sold pretty cheap on ebay, since the lack the original brand names. If you are looking for e.g. Stahlwille wrenches but can't afford the 'stamp', Garant would be an alternative. Same seems to be true for the torque wrenches.

Maybe Monte knows, where they source their pliers and screwdrivers from.

 

[jensputzier]

Interresting, elaborate please.

Well there are several large tool dealers here in Germany that sell tools under their own brand name. E.g. Garant is the brand of the Hoffmann group. They have these tools manufactured by several companies and Hazet is one of them. These are not rebadged Hazet tools, but every customer has his own specification. Therefore these tools can be better, equal or lesser in quality than the Hazet equivalent. So there can be differences in design only, but also in technical specification.

 

[y20dth]

I can concur on the quality of all Hoffmann brands/tools.

You will have to look at the tools itself to guess who is the mfg. I've seen the pliers being very similar to knipex and wiha, screwdrivers from wiha,wera, pbswiss. But it can variate. E.g. "bankschraubendreher" or (bigger sizes) screwdrivers can be from wera, were as other series of screwdrivers can be from pbswiss.

Tools like wrenches etc. used to be made by Stahlwille, but i've seen (original marked) Hazet tools (and Garant branded torque wrenches) being added somewhere around 2007/2008(?). Rumor has it that Hoffmann got into a bit of an discussion with Stahlwille (probably about money/pricing, what else..?), and added Hazet to there lineup in an attempt to put some commercial pressure on Stahwille. No loss to the customer in my opinion.

As a sidenote, I find it very interesting that private persons seem to be able to order with Hoffmann, as recently German residents can as well.
In Belgium and the Netherlands, we cannot.

If at all possible, try and find an industrial client who orders from them, and try to order thru the industrial client. The discount you can get as a good (high volume)customer is unsurpassed.
Prices of those high quality german tools suddenly drop to asian levels. A tool addicts dream, as good as ***, without the physical strain.