Monte, that is a very cool tape measure. I've never seen one like it. Very ingenious and simple..
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Monte, that is a very cool tape measure. I've never seen one like it. Very ingenious and simple..
SATA is the world of American Danaher Group a wholly owned subsidiary in China - Danaher Tool (Shanghai) Co., Ltd. belongs to the brand. Most products are made in China, the quality is very general, there are several high-end pair of pliers and a screwdriver by Japan KEIBA and Germany WIHA for OEM. I bought two pair of pliers are 90RMB and 105RMB.
jalfaro
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Thanks for the tip, in fact GearWrench® is also part of American Danaher Group, and I can attest that these are of good quality.
In the next, I will post my PICQUIC
screwdrivers, although they're made in Canada 
and do not come from the old world I consider high quality.BMI "BMImeter" (a.k.a. "QuickyPro") measuring tape:
www.BMI.de
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Nice tools.
Oh no I meant the insulated wire cutters.
ahh ok ! Nice finish + good design made in Vietnam
Monte, that is a very cool tape measure. I've never seen one like it. Very ingenious and simple..
yes not bad for € 5.90 
cheaply made, thin metal, no ball bearings, not great quality.....but cheap...
Stabila "Pocket Pro Magnetic" level
www.stabila.de
2 sides come with a V shaped magnetic metal "sole"...
...works on flat material...
...and round material:
AutomatiquE
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Monte, nice level
(sometimes, you make me nervous with your mega-super-ultra good tools)Shinwa cutting rule. http://www.shinwasokutei.co.jp/english/shinwa.htm
Two different height sides with steel edges, for small and big cutters
Anti slipping flutted bottom + rubber pads.
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interesting !
why ?
now that´s a nice piece !!!
Where did you buy it ?
AutomatiquE
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why ?
You know why.
now that´s a nice piece !!!
Where did you buy it ?
From ****. Not cheap at all, but i consider my fingers to be more valuable than a few dozen Euros
@Bulit : Welcome
@bulit
Very interesting! I've not seen any tools from Iran before. Do you know if they are pre-revolution?
I like the Elektron wrenches also! Do you have any more Cold War era tools from Warsaw Pact countries? I know a few have been posted on this thread before, but I find them fascinating and can't get enough of them
Very interesting! I've not seen any tools from Iran before. Do you know if they are pre-revolution?
I like the Elektron wrenches also! Do you have any more Cold War era tools from Warsaw Pact countries? I know a few have been posted on this thread before, but I find them fascinating and can't get enough of them
Darn Monte your the man with the German tools, but tell me something, who makes the best and strongest wrenches in Germany, Hazet or Stahlwille ???
I know everyone says that they are about the same but they are massive rivals and one must be the best...
I know everyone says that they are about the same but they are massive rivals and one must be the best...
PrecisionTools
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Here's an oldy from my Fathers set, been in use for a lot of years in less than pristine environments!
Just found out yesterday that my dad got a full set of A/F VBW stuff for his 16th birthday. He's in his 70s now
He still has the whole set and he's a farmer so they get used a lot. If that isn't a plug for good tools then I don't know what is...
american lockpicker
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Interesting.
I knew there had to be tools from the middle east made in countries other than UAE or Israel.
@Bhae
Very nice Gedore stuff
Yeah!! I am agree with you
Japanese designers always concentrated of every detail of their tools..sometimes I found no shortage on the tools..smooth, very precised and very unique made
Btw: your tools is one of examples
Emm..thanks for the explanations and a very nice PICS comparisons
That a interesting cools PICS
thanks buddy!
great combination with Wiha insulated tools
I always used my insulated tools even though I am working with off line or nearly electrical supply. That the best way to prevent unexpected electrical shock
Nice shopping
your pliers handles looks like my MTC
Cools measuring tape
Congratulation you got a very nice Japanese made scissors
Thanks to share a PICS
As a usual awesome PICS shot!
That a great pocket level
It very useful for motor + pump alignment
maybe I should get one in my pocket
A good quality, easy to used and the most important is it safe your fingers
Awesome Japanese made cutting rule
@ build
Welcome to the board
you got very nice wrenches collections
Very nice Gedore stuff
Some tools
Yeah!! I am agree with you
Japanese designers always concentrated of every detail of their tools..sometimes I found no shortage on the tools..smooth, very precised and very unique made
Btw: your tools is one of examples
no, they are made by different companies, Gedore makes them too but in Austria, Wiha also makes them but in Germany, they all look similar:
PB Swiss
some more pics for you mrtools:
look no live cable
Emm..thanks for the explanations and a very nice PICS comparisons
That a interesting cools PICS
thanks buddy!
great combination with Wiha insulated tools
I always used my insulated tools even though I am working with off line or nearly electrical supply. That the best way to prevent unexpected electrical shock
Today I bought some of the tools
Nice shopping
your pliers handles looks like my MTC
Cools measuring tape
ARS short scissors,
High carbon steel+special hardening+hard chrome plated =
Conclusion : Thanks to their Carbon steel blades, ARS scissors cuts 2Xbetter than Fiskars made from regular Stainless steel.
Congratulation you got a very nice Japanese made scissors
Thanks to share a PICS
As a usual awesome PICS shot!
That a great pocket level
It very useful for motor + pump alignment
maybe I should get one in my pocket
Shinwa cutting rule. http://www.shinwasokutei.co.jp/english/shinwa.htm
Two different height sides with steel edges, for small and big cutters
Anti slipping flutted bottom + rubber pads.
A good quality, easy to used and the most important is it safe your fingers
Awesome Japanese made cutting rule
@ build
Welcome to the board
you got very nice wrenches collections
my first pliers by Zbirovia made in Czechoslovakia, that I bought in 1988 year to repair my bicycle...
and another one pliers Unior made in Slovenia,from 1988 year...
Zbirovia are very stronger than Unior
thanks to all for welcome
and another one pliers Unior made in Slovenia,from 1988 year...
Zbirovia are very stronger than Unior
thanks to all for welcome
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american lockpicker
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You might try asking ultgar.
William Payne
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bow down to the allmighty stahlwille, am a user myself.
Nope, but I have handled one. And was rather impressed. Gimmicky- absolutely not! This rat is impressive. Usefulness - not sure but it is easy to imagine practical use for it in tight situations.
I am just waiting for good ebay deal to pull the trigger on this one.
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Stahlwille is bad ***. For same price I buy Stahlwille over any other German manufacturer, including Hazet.STAHLWILLE, my favorite...
I am going to get a complete metric set of Stahlwille Corona. From 8-32mm.
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AutomatiquE
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Thanks to share a PICS
You're Welcome
@Duarte : I don't own the new Facom J.360, but i know it very well and i had the opportunity to handle one at my local store. I can only say I've heard and read many good things about it and it doesn't look as a gimmick. The system of rotating handle is pretty much interresting and could be very usefull in some narrow places. On the other hand, if i remenber correctly the J.360 is bigger than a regular 3/8 ratchet with no rotating system. I believe Gedore or Hazet will do something similar in a near future.
ps : I've would have prefer it to be made in France
STAHLWILLE, my favorite...
Stahlwille is bad ***. For same price I buy Stahlwille over any other German manufacturer, including Hazet.
I am going to get a complete metric set of Stahlwille Corona. From 8-32mm.
Funny how you all should mention this after only a couple of posts after I asked the above question LOL
bart1
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I have both and prefer Hazet, but I havent made them duel to the death. Stahlwilles I beam design is very good for strength to weight ratio, though. On the German magazine test that has been posted before though (the only actual test I have seen) I think the Stahl failed and the Hazet and SnapOn didn't.
superautobacs
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Regarding rotary/twist ratchets, here's a dedicated thread: http://www.garagejournal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=48846
That's pretty cool. It seems like a good option for light duty tasks around the house.
IMO, as interesting as those tests may be, I only take them in with a grain of salt. Failure/break point figures are not too important to me unless I'm a person that habitually places a pipe extension on a wrench.
....but in retrospect, if you were looking to purchase some extra long wrenches, those figures would be good to have as reference.
Another thing to keep in mind about such tests is that depending on the brand, the manufacturer might be conforming to a standard/specification (ANSI, ASME, DIN, ISO, JIS, etc). What that means is that there would be a variance in tolerance and dimensions. So, in order for the test to be fair, all these companies need to forge and finish a wrench (or whatever the test subject is) under a common set of standards in tolerance and in dimensions. If that could be done, then the break test would show who had formulated the best steel alloys, the best hardening/tempering processing, and the best surface treatment.
I do get your point though about the difference between a wrench that breaks/fails versus a wrench that's bending/flexing out of tolerance and slipping from the strain gauge. For the safety of the operator, you wan't to avoid a wrench/tool that just breaks/fails without warning.
That's pretty cool. It seems like a good option for light duty tasks around the house.
IMO, as interesting as those tests may be, I only take them in with a grain of salt. Failure/break point figures are not too important to me unless I'm a person that habitually places a pipe extension on a wrench.
....but in retrospect, if you were looking to purchase some extra long wrenches, those figures would be good to have as reference.
Another thing to keep in mind about such tests is that depending on the brand, the manufacturer might be conforming to a standard/specification (ANSI, ASME, DIN, ISO, JIS, etc). What that means is that there would be a variance in tolerance and dimensions. So, in order for the test to be fair, all these companies need to forge and finish a wrench (or whatever the test subject is) under a common set of standards in tolerance and in dimensions. If that could be done, then the break test would show who had formulated the best steel alloys, the best hardening/tempering processing, and the best surface treatment.
I do get your point though about the difference between a wrench that breaks/fails versus a wrench that's bending/flexing out of tolerance and slipping from the strain gauge. For the safety of the operator, you wan't to avoid a wrench/tool that just breaks/fails without warning.
You know why.
Then you will like my new tool posted below
From ****. Not cheap at all, but i consider my fingers to be more valuable than a few dozen Euros
wow 56 bucks....
i don´t know
you can´t go wrong with the Hazet series "600N" or Stahlwille "Open Box 14"
who is better: Mercedes or BMW ?
Just found out yesterday that my dad got a full set of A/F VBW stuff for his 16th birthday. He's in his 70s now
If that isn't a plug for good tools then I don't know what is...
Do you have some more pics of that set ? Unfortunately VBW don´t offer sockets (+ wrenches) anymore.
Emm..thanks for the explanations and a very nice PICS comparisons
That a interesting cools PICS
thanks buddy!
great combination with Wiha insulated tools
I always used my insulated tools even though I am working with off line or nearly electrical supply. That the best way to prevent unexpected electrical shock
better safe than sorry
Cools measuring tape
As a usual awesome PICS shot!
That a great pocket level
It very useful for motor + pump alignment
maybe I should get one in my pocket
yes you should get one for your pocket
and the other Stabila level you posted too (for your tool box or if you have large pockets )ps: nice measuring tools !
my first pliers by Zbirovia made in Czechoslovakia, that I bought in 1988 year to repair my bicycle...
and another one pliers Unior made in Slovenia,from 1988 year...
Zbirovia are very stronger than Unior
thanks to all for welcome
interesting pliers !
take a look at the "Proxxon" version with 1/4" square drive in the handle
STAHLWILLE, my favorite...
nice Wille line up
Here a PDF of that test: http://wiesemann.eu/_UPLOAD/files/Oldtimermarkt.pdf
"Format" tin snips made by Bessey.
www.format-werkzeuge.de
complete drop forged construction
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AutomatiquE
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Then you will like my new tool posted below
Bravo Monte, pure gold Forged tool with a nice paint, that's what i like
How much ?
littletoes
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Gonna read those Test Results now....impressed that Snap-On did so well, I was under the impression that Stahlwille won, will see!
Thanks for re-posting!
Does anyone own the Facom J.360 3/8 Drive Rotator Ratchet? I am looking for opinions. Are they really useful in tight spaces? Or just gimmicky? I am tempted to buy one, but would like to hear what actual owners think.
Looking at that picture gave me an idea.
A) A normal ratchet has the bulky ratcheting assembly in the head.
B) A rotator does the same but has a geared shaft down the handle.
C) Why not relocate the bulky ratcheting mechanism to the other end of the shaft?
Not only would that move the big ratcheting mechanism out of the way from the head to the handle, but since it would be geared...you could have what would feel like a 300 tooth ratchet.
Gonna read those Test Results now....impressed that Snap-On did so well, I was under the impression that Stahlwille won, will see!
Thanks for re-posting!
The strongest was Hazet with 184nm open and 240nm box.
Snap-on flank drive had 143nm open and 240nm box.
Stahlwille had 143nm open and 209nm box.
But the real shock of that test was that a 1 euro HR wrench had the same strength test result as the Snap-on flank drive that cost well over 30 times more at 31.95 euros.
The test is in German so please correct me if I am wrong but it looks to me like Snap-on wrenches are seriously overpriced going by these results alone.
In my eyes though the real test winner was the Matador which was 180nm open and 240nm box but was less than half the price of the Hazet. Pity I cannot even get Matador wrenches in the UK or I would maybe be looking to get a set.
bcjames
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I think I need some new needle nose pliers. Pulling a pin and suddenly it let go, and something flew past my head. Tip of my lovely NWS pliers!
Snapped tip by bcjamesmini, on Flickr
Snapped tip by bcjamesmini, on Flickr
I am not much of a brand fan, my comment about Stahlwille was just to check the reaction from our tried and trusted Hazet fans.
Regarding this wrench test, and thanks for posting it Monte, I agree with superautobacs comments. I also like to point out in Stahlwille's defence that they only tested the featherweight "13 series" wrench. Against longer wrenches from other brands. Actually I am impressed how strong it is considering its weight. IMHO they should have included the "14 series" from Stahlwille. Longer and stronger wrench than the 13 series, and much heavier.
I was considering combination wrenches few weeks ago and shot this pic of 17mm 13 and 14 series Stahlwille for comparison. Not mine unfortunately.
Even though it is tempting to get a nice series 14 set from Stahlwille I think the double box Corona version is very nice and cheaper alternative. I seldom have to use ultra strong open end.
Regarding this wrench test, and thanks for posting it Monte, I agree with superautobacs comments. I also like to point out in Stahlwille's defence that they only tested the featherweight "13 series" wrench. Against longer wrenches from other brands. Actually I am impressed how strong it is considering its weight. IMHO they should have included the "14 series" from Stahlwille. Longer and stronger wrench than the 13 series, and much heavier.
I was considering combination wrenches few weeks ago and shot this pic of 17mm 13 and 14 series Stahlwille for comparison. Not mine unfortunately.
Even though it is tempting to get a nice series 14 set from Stahlwille I think the double box Corona version is very nice and cheaper alternative. I seldom have to use ultra strong open end.
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