Tools from the old world

[jalfaro]

Some Facom production videos:
...

Interesting, had seen videos on how ratchets are made, but never torques, and insulated pliers.

 

[PrecisionTools]

Interesting, had seen videos on how ratchets are made, but never torques, and insulated pliers.

The torque wrench part was interesting. I guess you can understand why they are so expensive. So many little parts, it would be hard to automate the process so there is a lot of manual labour involved in their construction.

Another great find Monte!

 

[littletoes]

Monte!! There was a "Screwdriver" thread, where you posted a pic of several different brands....Wondering if you would mind posting a pic here???

 

[Monte]

Monte-I had to spend several months painting the backing plates to be used in a very large prison with Hammerite paint....man that was a horrible job, out in the cold with a dang air-sprayer. Bout froze my hands off!

That doesn´t sound like much fun
8 hrs. a day with a air sprayer ? I´d have quit after the first day

Now something odd (beside being a non-Beta tool...)

cool tool !
no google return for that part # ...

This may be decent paint, but the rustproofing aspect is B.S. Be warned!

i don´t believe in wonders either, so i wire wheeled my vice prior to painting. I don´t know maybe the rust convertors work (?) on rust but simple paint ....?

I used it direct on to cleaned steel wheels , tow-bars etc. - never impressed with performance. However a neighbour had a new car port erected , the steel box sections - he stripped the red oxide primer and left the steel to more than flash rust for abt. 2 months. That was in 1977 , almost every day I walk past the car port and think - it is still holding up (never re-painted - ever).

Maybe if you add enough paint it works ?

Only?

Broken, isn't than correct? I mean damaged. Flames coming out from the engine
I opened to fix it but it not worth the repair.

maybe the brushes are used up ?

I think that a corded 2 speed drill are the best choice for me. I am afraid the cordless cause of the occasional use.

This one maybe http://www.kentrovidas.gr/showprod.php?id=2122

yeah that one looks good, price is good too i think.
But the metal gear housing is just a fake ....but should still work

 

[Monte]

Monte!! There was a "Screwdriver" thread, where you posted a pic of several different brands....Wondering if you would mind posting a pic here???

"a" pic or several pics ?

 

[littletoes]

AWESOME! Thanks Monte!

That's the pic I like to refer too, as I decide which and what to buy!

 

[unknow82]

no google return for that part # ...

That Dowidat tool is similar to Hazet 2568-1

More weird and wonderful!

the weird:
"Stahlwille 18" it reads but ring end is 19mm
Two posbility;
It is lathe tool or it came with some car?

The wonderful:
Don't you just hate! When you buy NOS pliers... They are in wrong package.
Love the bicycle tyre tube that is cut to old pliers spring pressed so handels do not push throug pacgage.

 

[lok]

maybe the brushes are used up ?

I change them. The problem remained.

yeah that one looks good, price is good too i think.
But the metal gear housing is just a fake ....but should still work

It is also a bit heavy and since Ι don't need the impact operation it might not be the best option. I don't know.

Maybe this
http://www.kentrovidas.gr/showprod.php?id=701
or this
http://www.kentrovidas.gr/showprod.php?id=1960

compact enough but with only 1 speed. They have Electronic Speed preselection though.

 

[jensputzier]

WITTE screwdrivers

Since some of you asked me about Witte screwdrivers, I have started to stock them as well. I put up several sets on Ebay.com (search for Witte screwdrivers) and if you need anything in particular send me a PM.

 

[kippieland]

OK so I don't know if you can answer this question or if you can, I am not looking for the political behind it....Why is it that I see a lot of Euro companies have so many factories in so many different countries? Like Facom, why do they have an Italian, UK, and France etc.? Another company is Airbus....they have one plane (A380) built in like 5 different countries. Seems like it would be more costly to have them spread out like that...I know its that way in the States as well and I am no business guy. Nothing wrong with it...just more curious.

Great site Monte...thanks for the link!

 

[jensputzier]

OK so I don't know if you can answer this question or if you can, I am not looking for the political behind it....Why is it that I see a lot of Euro companies have so many factories in so many different countries? Like Facom, why do they have an Italian, UK, and France etc.? Another company is Airbus....they have one plane (A380) built in like 5 different countries. Seems like it would be more costly to have them spread out like that...I know its that way in the States as well and I am no business guy. Nothing wrong with it...just more curious.

Great site Monte...thanks for the link!

The Airbus question only has a political answer. As far as the others are considered, these are almost only financially based decisions (mostly political anyway). Certain regions are supported by European fundings, so you get money if you open a factory in not so strong regions. Or the energy is cheaper there. Or the unemployment rate is high, so you get labor cheaper. Or transport costs are high so it's better to manufacture where the product is needed.

 

[Bhae]

Today (no tools).

Nettuno http://www.nettuno.net/english/portale.php

 

[Olafur]

i don´t believe in wonders either, so i wire wheeled my vice prior to painting. I don´t know maybe the rust convertors work (?) on rust but simple paint ....?

I have never used Hammerite, only seen the results from others work. This stuff was sold here and promoted - no primer needed- and so on. I know for a fact that it does not do well outside without primer on bare steel. I would guess your nice vise should do fine indoors.

 

[aag14V]

Hi,
here is my "new" tools from flea market,
i bought 1/2" most used sockets, and two mini 1/2" sockets (6, 7 mm)

Hazet - 19 mm
Carolus - 17 mm - NEW never used
Walter - 13 mm
Heyco - 7 mm
Heyco - 6 mm

What is the quality of Walter and Carolus ???
Carolus is the brand of Gedore,I have never heard for Walter ? Its good tool?
Wera kraftform screwdriver, and Hazet 12/13 mm spanner.
Price for all is 10EUR , its good job ?

 

[SliderXTM]

Hi,
here is my "new" tools from flea market,
i bought 1/2" most used sockets, and two mini 1/2" sockets (6, 7 mm)

Hazet - 19 mm
Carolus - 17 mm - NEW never used
Walter - 13 mm
Heyco - 7 mm
Heyco - 6 mm

What is the quality of Walter and Carolus ???
Carolus is the brand of Gedore,I have never heard for Walter ? Its good tool?
Wera kraftform screwdriver, and Hazet 12/13 mm spanner.
Price for all is 10EUR , its good job ?

Walter makes very very good tools! Website: http://www.cwalter.de/1/home/

Carolus is made in Asia. Have some sockets. There are not so good. Gedore is much better.

 

[kyrbz]

Some photos of the original Hazet Tools, Bilstein Jack, and period correct Motometer tire pressure gauge out of my 1957 BMW Isetta. The Hazet tools were rusty and dull so I bead blasted them and nickel plated them with an electroless nickel plating kit from Caswell.

http://bzisettas.blogspot.com/

 

[Monte]

That Dowidat tool is similar to Hazet 2568-1

so its a valve adjustment tool ? btw. that Hazet tool is for sale on thesamba.com for $150.-

the weird:
"Stahlwille 18" it reads but ring end is 19mm
Two posbility;
It is lathe tool or it came with some car?

Thats the name of the tool, like "Stahlwille 16" (mini combi wrenches) or "Stahlwille 12" (mini open end wrenches)

The wonderful:
Don't you just hate! When you buy NOS pliers... They are in wrong package.
Love the bicycle tyre tube that is cut to old pliers spring pressed so handels do not push throug pacgage.

still a nice find !

I change them. The problem remained..

ok throw it away

It is also a bit heavy and since Ι don't need the impact operation it might not be the best option. I don't know.

Maybe this
http://www.kentrovidas.gr/showprod.php?id=701
or this
http://www.kentrovidas.gr/showprod.php?id=1960

compact enough but with only 1 speed. They have Electronic Speed preselection though.

depends on your needs, just for drilling these will work, for hole saws or step drill bits , paint mixing etc. these won´t work.


@kippieland
Facom bought several companies over the years like the pliers manufacturer Bost and a screwdriver manufacturer, a manufacturer of sheetmetal products (tool storage etc.), a italian hand tool manufacturer (Usag) etc. so thats why they have several locations.

I have never used Hammerite, only seen the results from others work. This stuff was sold here and promoted - no primer needed- and so on. I know for a fact that it does not do well outside without primer on bare steel. I would guess your nice vise should do fine indoors.

even with primer the paint will get damaged while using the vise, so either you see metal underneath the paint or grey primer, looks equally ugly so i choosed the cheaper + easier method yes i think too it should work indoors

What is the quality of Walter and Carolus ???
Carolus is the brand of Gedore,I have never heard for Walter ? Its good tool?
Wera kraftform screwdriver, and Hazet 12/13 mm spanner.
Price for all is 10EUR , its good job ?

Thats a good price ! Carolus is the lower priced import line - should work... Walter is a german manufacturer of hand tools, i think they belong together with WGB (?) I see them seldom over here, if, then on the flea market.

Some photos of the original Hazet Tools, Bilstein Jack, and period correct Motometer tire pressure gauge out of my 1957 BMW Isetta. The Hazet tools were rusty and dull so I bead blasted them and nickel plated them with an electroless nickel plating kit from Caswell.

very nice set !!!








Delta backing pad for Bosch + Fein multi tools:



"Meister" bits for only 50 cent each package www.meister-werkzeuge.de



made bei Schröder www.robert-schroeder.de



and some Bosch jigsaw blades....one is missing but package was only 1.- instead of 15.49€

 

[kissmeimgerman]

Tool i use everyday,

Waveform

EYE/JITTER

 

[lok]

...

Carolus is made in Asia. ....

I saw the new ratcheting wrenches of Carolus and write up "made in Taiwan for Carolus Germany".
I' ll take some photos next time.

ok throw it away

That's what I already did.

depends on your needs, just for drilling these will work, for hole saws or step drill bits , paint mixing etc. these won´t work.

Ahh Sorry Monte but what do you mean with "hole saws or step drill bits".

 

[american lockpicker]

and some Bosch jigsaw blades....one is missing but package was only 1.- instead of 15.49€

A 3 pack goes for only $5 here.

Wow made in England. You rarely see that nowadays.

 

[bart1]

I haven't posted anything in a while. Here is a drawer of my Assistent. Mostly Hazet, but you can also see Wright, Wiha, Stahlwille and Gedore. All brands I like.

 

[Bhae]

Today:

 

[kissmeimgerman]

@Bhae - now thats a promotion!

 

[Bhae]

It is a gift of Kstools agent comercial to me.

 

[kyrbz]

I haven't posted anything in a while. Here is a drawer of my Assistent. Mostly Hazet, but you can also see Wright, Wiha, Stahlwille and Gedore. All brands I like.

I'm jealous, I've been lusting for a Hazet Assistent!

 

[american lockpicker]

It is a gift of Kstools agent comercial to me.

You're a lucky guy!

 

[mrtools]

So, Beta Italy...
Old Double opend end wrenches or "Beta 55"

Italian Beta

And here is set of old Beta double ended deep offset ring wrenches or "Beta 90"

Awesome where do you bought it, still in the market?

Thank you mrtools, good question, I will ask my father how old can this pliers, as they do not know exactly, but for now you could say unequivocally that no less than 30 years

Wow very old, mean very good quality one

mrtools,
A question, What is the torque range of the screwdriver?

0.4 - 3.0 Kgf.cm

it´s this one in blue
http://www.hammerite.co.uk/products/direct_to_rust_metal_paint_hammered_finish.jsp
made a pic with flash
and without

Awesome pics thanks buddy!!

Some Facom production videos:

Nice video thanks to share

Great in action pics it a Makita grinder, what a popular size of angle grinder used in Germany, I mean a disc size ?

"a" pic or several pics ?

Tools crazy
I'm very jealous

That Dowidat tool is similar to Hazet 2568-1
"Stahlwille 18" it reads but ring end is 19mm
The wonderful:
Don't you just hate! When you buy NOS pliers... They are in wrong package.
Love the bicycle tyre tube that is cut to old pliers spring pressed so handels do not push throug pacgage.

Awesome old Italian weapon

Hi,
here is my "new" tools from flea market,
i bought 1/2" most used sockets, and two mini 1/2" sockets (6, 7 mm)

Nice to see old Heyco socket with 3 stripe logo looks like Heyco socket not easily rusted compare to Hazet.. maybe a last owner Hazet socket live behind beach

 

[unknow82]

Italian Beta


Awesome where do you bought it, still in the market?

I wish yuo could still find these, but no, you could say these are NOS stuff, but these are just tools that had little or no use for last 25-years.

Like these:

Beta "42" Combination wrenches

Here is comparison for new "MP" serrie

Note that old days there where no 12mm wrench included in standard set. I have try to figure this out, but when I search old bolt around house, I found few 11mm bolts here and there, but 12mm bolts where rare. This must be due to fact that SAE bolts where bit more common then Japanise cars that commonly use 12mm wrenches.

 

[unknow82]

This old Beta Four-way Hexagon wheel nut wrench number 980 is also bit rare item. (since no-one rarely buy one)
I never try one in use, but I'll bet you can also use one with tight bolts since you can change socket in one end and not just wheel nuts.

 

[Rusik]

Tool from Stanley. France
View media item 16257View media item 16256

 

[american lockpicker]

I doubt thats made in France or Belgium probably China or Taiwan.

 

[Monte]

That's what I already did.

Ahh Sorry Monte but what do you mean with "hole saws or step drill bits".

hole saw = these things click

and step drill bits = click

The drills with only 1 gear and high speed/rpm have low torque, so i don´t know if you can use these tools above. (if you need them...)

A 3 pack goes for only $5 here.

Depending on the size/type of blade you can get a 2-pack "Bosch Eco" swiss made blades for 1.59€ (with 19% sales tax included)

btw. the swiss made Bosch multi tool is now avail. in the US
http://www.boschtools.com/Products/Tools/Pages/BoschProductDetail.aspx?pid=MX30EK-33#specs

Today:

nice beer bottle

btw.:

http://www.ebay.de/itm/Steckschluesselsatz-Bayern-KS-Tools-Werkzeug-Limited-Ed-/290438815302

Great in action pics it a Makita grinder, what a popular size of angle grinder used in Germany, I mean a disc size ?

i think most popular is the 125mm/5" size. The german manufacturers have 4.5" grinders too, but often they only sell 1 or 2 models in 4.5" and like 10 models in 5". In most cases the 4.5" grinder is identical to the 5" version (same motor/housing/gear case etc.) so i guess the customer buys the 5" version (at he same price) so you can use either the 4.5" or 5" discs and you have a higher cutting depth with the 5" disc. With a 4.5" grinder you are limited to 4.5" discs.... The price of 5" discs is a few cents higher though.
In asia i think the customer prefers 4.5" and often you see 4" grinders too ?

Tools crazy
I'm very jealous

Tool from Stanley. France

maybe not even made by Stanley....

scroll down to the pics in the middle:
http://www.hyperclaw.com/faq.shtml

 

[american lockpicker]

Depending on the size/type of blade you can get a 2-pack "Bosch Eco" swiss made blades for 1.59€ (with 19% sales tax included)

btw. the swiss made Bosch multi tool is now avail. in the US
http://www.boschtools.com/Products/Tools/Pages/BoschProductDetail.aspx?pid=MX30EK-33#specs

Nice price.

It would have to be available right after I spend all my money on an internet tablet... Perhaps I get it later this year...

 

[Rusik]

I doubt thats made in France or Belgium probably China or Taiwan.

Barcode - France. The documents also indicated France. I do not know how to define more precisely

PS.Such a model for many years do not produce. It may well be.

 

[kippieland]

The Airbus question only has a political answer. As far as the others are considered, these are almost only financially based decisions (mostly political anyway). Certain regions are supported by European fundings, so you get money if you open a factory in not so strong regions. Or the energy is cheaper there. Or the unemployment rate is high, so you get labor cheaper. Or transport costs are high so it's better to manufacture where the product is needed.

Thanks for the info....I know theres a lot political answers to this question. I try to avoid political topics as much as possible on this board!

 

[jalfaro]

Hi,
here is my "new" tools from flea market,

Good buy!

This week I also bought some things at a pawn shop (not sure if that's the definition in English), although I have not had time to post the pictures, I hope to do tomorrow.

Today:
...

Beer, Simple but effective marketing strategy

0.4 - 3.0 Kgf.cm

great

 

[Rusik]

Kraftool http://www.kraftool.com/
View media item 16276

 

[Rusik]

Jonnesway. Taiwan

View media item 16277

 

[Bhae]

Today: STAHLWILLE & VBW

 

[Rusik]

FORCE. Taiwan
View media item 16302