Tools from the old world

[willhollin]

Looks interesting, what advantage does it have over the Knipex Plier Wrench?

 

[Steve_P]

the knipex plier wrench is THE tool for plumbing. The plier wrench and the NWS fantastico are the greatest in pliers

 

[admirer of a good tool]

Looks interesting, what advantage does it have over the Knipex Plier Wrench?

"self-locking from 17 mm: no slipping on the workpiece" - you can read it's on knipex.com

Lower jaw is curved. When load is increased spot of contact is increased too (within certain limits ). You can see it's on ratcheting open end wrenches (on the earliest).

 

[Monte]

I own a few myself, and they're definitely nice.
If you're interested, they're actually made by Ideal-tek (here). They offer styles Lindstrom doesn't carry in their catalog (they reduced the tweezer line), and perhaps better pricing.

ahhh thx for the link !!! Never heard of that company !

The Lineman's pliers open 3 mm more than the regular combination pliers. But the big difference is the leverage - 190 mm against 240. The 01 06 190 come only with VDE handles - no plastic dipped, no regular dual component handles.

nice comparison pics ! the crosshatch jaws of the Linesman pliers look good !

I bought it for plumbing.

pliers wrench ! that´s what you need

or:

but these things eat fittings...

 

[mr_jack]

nice comparison pics ! the crosshatch jaws of the Linesman pliers look good !

Here's a another look at them

I' ll post some more pictures of the Sola tape and the other pliers later.

 

[lok]

The opening is big, i can't make any compares because i don't own the high leverage model

Thanks man. Yes it looks bigger. And it is. But I've already taken care for this.

then i would get the Gedore version, looks better than the red ......

Yes but I should hurry, while there is still in stock, because the new one is far more expensive. So I ask for the carolus to arrange my priorities.

Ugly ? you must be kidding !! It´s very beautiful !!
sorry had to puke
no, i like it ....old school ...

I like it too!

nice !!! Santa has been good to you !!

btw. i think you need these pliers:

No, I need this.

The mechanic plier fit better in my needs. Furthermore Ι already have one high leverage combination plier.

But I already gave my order to knipex.

Lindström pouch

Very very nice. Lindström, I'll try to remember it. Although should be a little expensive.

I'll try to help, but not wit exactly the same pliers.
A comparison between the KNIPEX

The Lineman's pliers open 3 mm more than the regular combination pliers. But the big difference is the leverage - 190 mm against 240. The 01 06 190 come only with VDE handles - no plastic dipped, no regular dual component handles.

Nice pliers! Is this fisco tape made in England?

Thanks neighbor. I appreciate it. Well the mechanic version of knipex has bigger opening than the high leverage version.

 

[lok]

Here's a another look at them

I' ll post some more pictures of the Sola tape and the other pliers later.

I like it. Now I should convince my self that I don't need it.

 

[mr_jack]

Nice pliers! Is this fisco tape made in England?

Yes, but the brand on the case is other. I actually never thought why that Fisco sign is there until you brought that up, buddy. And after a quick search I discovered why.

This is the tape - a 5m SOLA BIGT

 

[mr_jack]

I like it. Now I should convince my self that I don't need it.

Uffff, I think that's gonna be very hard thing to do!

 

[lok]

Yes, but the brand on the case is other. I actually never thought why that Fisco sign is there until you brought up that, buddy. And after a quick search I discovered why.

That's right.

Awesome tape mr jack.

 

[mr_jack]

That's right.
Awesome tape mr jack.

Thanks man! Mine has, or I should better say had, the same belt clip, but I seem to have misplaced it somewhere.

I'll post a few more pics of those Knipex VDE pliers and a pair of cutters but maybe tomorrow.

 

[nanofrog]

ahhh thx for the link !!! Never heard of that company !

Glad it may be of some use.

Very very nice. Lindström, I'll try to remember it. Although should be a little expensive.

Lindstrom definitely isn't a bargain brand, you may do better looking at Ideal-Tek (they're the ODM for Lindstrom's Swiss-Made tweezers). Can be a bit less expensive too in my experience.

I like it. Now I should convince my self that I don't need it.

Good luck with that.

 

[nanofrog]

Wiha Drive-Loc systems 4 & VI series. Not all of it is here yet, but most is. Some is older (sets 26985 & 28197), but is there FWIW.

 

[mr_jack]

KNIPEX 01 06 190 VDE combination pliers and 74 91 250 center cutters.

The KNIPEX 01 06 190 comes only as with the VDE-insulated handles, but these have also a smaller version - 160 mm (01 06 160). These pliers are a bit like the lineman's pliers, because when they're fully closed there's still a little gap between the jaws. They are very comfortable for grabbing a few wires and twisting them. But they are regular combination pliers, not high-leverage, so cutting with them is a bit harder than cutting with my 180 mm high-leverage NWS VDE combination pliers. Not a problem for me, 'cause I also carry my 180 mm high-levarage VDE KNIPEX diagonal cutters.

The pivot-joint is pretty big and in the center, not close to the cutting edges, as it is with the high-leverage pliers.

 

[purpurite]

What sockets do you guys prefer? Everything I find made in Europe is sold as a set with ratchets, extensions, swivels, breaker bars, cases and a bunch of other stuff I wouldn't want or need. Anything of quality that is sold like a set of Snap-on or Craftsman sockets (just the sockets)?

 

[Monte]

Here's a another look at them

sweet ! unfortunately santa clause is already gone

Yes but I should hurry, while there is still in stock, because the new one is far more expensive. So I ask for the carolus to arrange my priorities.

just in case you could still repaint it

No, I need this.

The mechanic plier fit better in my needs. Furthermore Ι already have one high leverage combination plier.

But I already gave my order to knipex.

Peugeot ?? ....Do you know their cars ??
Good choice with Knipex

Very very nice. Lindström, I'll try to remember it. Although should be a little expensive.

i think it was 16,90€.....ok much more expensive than imports but i already had imports but they don´t work properly and can´t remove tiny metal chips from my skin for example...

KNIPEX 74 91 250 center cutters.

Do you own the CoBolt cutters too ?

What sockets do you guys prefer? Everything I find made in Europe is sold as a set with ratchets, extensions, swivels, breaker bars, cases and a bunch of other stuff I wouldn't want or need. Anything of quality that is sold like a set of Snap-on or Craftsman sockets (just the sockets)?

i like Hazet...








PB Swiss Tools bit set

 

[mr_jack]

Do you own the CoBolt cutters too ?

Yeah, I have a pair of those.

That set of bit looks really good!

 

[Miskin]

i think it was 16,90€.....ok much more expensive than imports but i already had imports but they don´t work properly and can´t remove tiny metal chips from my skin for example...

You could use this
View media item 27679

PB Swiss Tools bit set

Are these the best bits you ever had or what?

 

[Monte]

Yeah, I have a pair of those.

Do you can compare the centre cutters with the CoBolts ?

You could use this

works only with large chips

Are these the best bits you ever had or what?

yes
Bit storage is good (with built in belt clip), precise fitment of the bits, good design, lifetime warranty, swiss made....perfect

 

[mr_jack]

Do you can compare the centre cutters with the CoBolts ?

OK. Tomorrow I'll test both of them on some "test subjects", make some fotos and then report the results.

A couple of pictures of the jaws of the center cutters

 

[Monte]

OK. Tomorrow I'll test both of them on some "test subjects", make some fotos and then report the results.

That would be cool !!! Thanks !!! Would be interesting to know which one is better for cutting nails etc. !

 

[Phog Allen]

Bit storage is good (with built in belt clip), precise fitment of the bits, good design, lifetime warranty, swiss made....perfect

Thanks for sharing those Monte. I think that sort of storage case is about the best thing I have seen. Tips are upright to see them easily and it looks as if the bits are well held. And the tips themselves look very well made. Very precise. Probably not much cam out with those. I just wish PB Swiss had better U.S. distribution.

 

[lok]

Lindstrom definitely isn't a bargain brand, you may do better looking at Ideal-Tek (they're the ODM for Lindstrom's Swiss-Made tweezers). Can be a bit less expensive too in my experience.

Thanks man.

KNIPEX 01 06 190 VDE combination pliers and 74 91 250 center cutters.

You have great plier mr jack. I also would like to know how you compare the co bolt with the center cutter.

What sockets do you guys prefer? Everything I find made in Europe is sold as a set with ratchets, extensions, swivels, breaker bars, cases and a bunch of other stuff I wouldn't want or need. Anything of quality that is sold like a set of Snap-on or Craftsman sockets (just the sockets)?

Of course they have.

I like these.

Ok I'll post some.

In a plastic or foam trays

Or in magnetic rails.

Hazet has mostly screwdriver socket

Stahlwille

just in case you could still repaint it

I'm not good with the brush.

Peugeot ?? ....Do you know their cars ??
Good choice with Knipex

Yes. They have nice suspension.

i think it was 16,90€.....ok much more expensive than imports but i already had imports but they don´t work properly and can´t remove tiny metal chips from my skin for example...

The tool should work. If it don't then why to pay even a small price?

PB Swiss Tools bit set

Nice as all the pb tools.

 

[Monte]

A couple of pictures of the jaws of the center cutters

nice thick jaws !

Thanks for sharing those Monte. I think that sort of storage case is about the best thing I have seen. Tips are upright to see them easily and it looks as if the bits are well held. And the tips themselves look very well made. Very precise. Probably not much cam out with those. I just wish PB Swiss had better U.S. distribution.

it´s exactly like you describe !

you probably know all those shops already....:

http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_s...ld-keywords=pb+swiss&sprefix=pb+swiss,aps,436

www.pbtools.us

http://toollady.com

these stores are listed as dealers too, can´t find any PB tools there though...
www.solcomusa.com
www1.mscdirect.com
www.esgllc-usa.com

I'm not good with the brush.

it´s 2013 ! In the meantime someone invented the spray can

Yes. They have nice suspension.

ha ! and the rest is already defective

The tool should work. If it don't then why to pay even a small price?

i agree ! Very well said !

Nice as all the pb tools.

yessss !!

 

[purpurite]

I like these...

Ok I'll post some...

In a plastic or foam trays

Or in magnetic rails...

Thanks! My random searches were coming up empty. That at least gives me something to track down. Not easy tasks in the US, so far.

 

[Phog Allen]

Thanks again Monte. The Toollady link is pretty good. They do not have many of the bit sets in your photos but I will find something to make it work. They also have the empty carrying cases which I think is quite smart. Allow for customising your bit set. I wish Chad's would carry them as well. I really like the fact that PB colour codes the bits. Very easy to keep things orginised. And I think their ratcheting handles look about as nice as anything I have seen. You blokes are such enablers.

 

[nanofrog]

Thanks man.

Hope it works out for you.

I really like the fact that PB colour codes the bits. Very easy to keep things orginised. And I think their ratcheting handles look about as nice as anything I have seen. You blokes are such enablers.

I like the color coding on bits as well. Wiha does it on the Drive-Loc stuff I own, but not on their standard 1" or 2" bits.

The PB ratcheting handles look nice enough that one is in my near future...

 

[lok]

it´s 2013 ! In the meantime someone invented the spray can

Ow hell! I used to believe that these are only for graffiti.

ha ! and the rest is already defective

Thanks! My random searches were coming up empty. That at least gives me something to track down. Not easy tasks in the US, so far.

Download the catalog, find the ID that you want and ask for availability. If you need anything else just ask here.

Start from here.
http://www.hazet.com/en/
http://www.gedore.de/en/gedore/index.html
http://www.stahlwille-online.de/index.php?amac=03030002000e&sid=5d46e0150f8d615fa99095a614f64310&lid=2&mid=2&shid=

Hope it works out for you.

I'm pretty sure it will.

 

[jensputzier]

Thanks! My random searches were coming up empty. That at least gives me something to track down. Not easy tasks in the US, so far.

The Hazet magnetic rails are not available anymore.

 

[PrecisionTools]

finally some tweezers which actually work !

Hey Monte, some nice gear there...would you have an on-line contact for Lindstrom stuff?

 

[bart1]

Thanks! My random searches were coming up empty. That at least gives me something to track down. Not easy tasks in the US, so far.

PM member Jens Putzier who posted above, I think you'll be pleased. I've used him several times.

 

[Blöckw@rt]

Pliers from NWS.

 

[lok]

Gedore Ratchets.

U-20 (mine) and U3.

View media item 27723
View media item 27724
The new model of U-3 comes out with the new, two components, blue handle.

 

[rmsg0040]

^^ that U3 is ****!

 

[mr_jack]

Do you can compare the centre cutters with the CoBolts ?

You have great plier mr jack. I also would like to know how you compare the co bolt with the center cutter.

OK, here's that head to head ... sort of ...

KNIPEX 71 12 200 CoBolt vs. KNIPEX 74 91 250 - part 1

I've decided to split the test in two parts - visual differences and the actual cutting. I made some photos of the both types of pliers and while cutting so I hope it'll be useful to all of you.

Both pliers are actually center cutter, but the CoBolt, although being 50 mm (2 inches) shorter, have very different and i may say improved leverage ratio because of the way the pivot around a little pin, which can be seen in a picture later.
The jaws of the 74 91 250 pivot around the standard for KNIPEX fixed, forged axle rivet joint and their power comes from the longer handles (and the guy who actually uses them ).
There are several varieties, 8 in fact, of the CoBolt like dual component comfort grip handles, angled head, opening spring and even a jaw notch recess, but unfortunately the number of varieties of 74 91 250 is only one - the one above. There's no option of the dual component handles, which I like very much but ...

See that the CoBolt handle's a bit wider than the other especially at the end where you actually press the handles. That's good for your hands.

74 91 250's thinner head combined with these long handles and the bigger jaw opening gives you the advantage when cutting in confined spaces and hard to reach areas.

The maximum jaw opening of the CoBolt is 11 mm, while the opening of the 74 91 250 is 10 mm bigger - 21 mm, so you can cut not only wire but cables and other stuff and that's exactly the reason why I've bought these pliers - as an all-day rounder pliers. I use them while wiring a house or an office, but when it comes down to connecting the sockets, switches, motion or fire detectors and cameras I grab my 74 06 180 VDE diagonal cutters.

Yes! The jaws of the 74 91 250 are massive and they should be. These are 10" plies.
It's hard to see the pivot pin of the CoBolt on this photo. There will be a better one in part 2.

 

[Monte]

Thanks again Monte. The Toollady link is pretty good. They do not have many of the bit sets in your photos but I will find something to make it work. They also have the empty carrying cases which I think is quite smart. Allow for customising your bit set. I wish Chad's would carry them as well. I really like the fact that PB colour codes the bits. Very easy to keep things orginised. And I think their ratcheting handles look about as nice as anything I have seen. You blokes are such enablers.

here are some sets:
http://www.shop.pbtools.us/C6-1-4-Screwdriver-Bit-Sets_c194.htm

Ow hell! I used to believe that these are only for graffiti.

yes grafitti and torque wrenches

Hey Monte, some nice gear there...would you have an on-line contact for Lindstrom stuff?

not really....
in Australia...:
http://au.element14.com/lindstrom/tl-3c-sa-sl/tweezers-very-sharp-tip/dp/1779181

Australia too but no tweezers.....but other interesting tools like CK or Bernstein and exotic stuff like Boker..:
http://www.mektronics.com.au/index....page=shop.browse&manufacturer_id=40&Itemid=57

Ebay.com.au..... only from the US...
http://www.ebay.com.au/sch/i.html?_...&_nkw=lindstrom+tweezers&_arr=1&LH_AvailTo=15

US...
http://www.wassco.com/Departments/Hand-and-Power-Tools/Tweezers/Lindstrom-Tweezers.aspx

UK..
http://www.amazon.co.uk/s/ref=nb_sb...eezer&rh=n:79903031,k:LINDSTROM+tweezer&ajr=0

maybe this contact info helps
http://www.lindstromtools.com/wtb.asp?region=australia&country=australia

i bought mine here, but shipping only to Germany + Austria:
http://www.hoffmann-tools.com/index.php?tpl=&_artperpage=50&cl=search&searchparam=lindström

Gedore Ratchets.
U-20 (mine) and U3.
.

nice models
it seems everybody in greece has Gedore tools

OK, here's that head to head ... sort of ...

that are some really nice comparison pics mr jack !!!
Thank you very much so far !

 

[mr_jack]

KNIPEX 71 12 200 CoBolt vs. KNIPEX 74 91 250 - part 2

I chose a few materials to cut with both of the pliers.

Here are the condemned. Left to the right:
1. 2 mm steel nails;
2. 3 mm regular iron nails (you can see a bit of rust on them);
3. 3 mm thick steel wire;
4. 4 mm stainless steel (I think so) hanger for a suspended ceiling;
5. 6 mm x 60 mm SPAX wood screw (the shaft is actually 4 mm thick);
6. 6 mm regular threaded rod.

It may sound stupid to some of you but for me the cutting of a thicker wire is not just grabbing the pliers, jamming the wire in them and yelling "Power". No, gripping the wire is also vital for the process. (F**c me! That whole thing sounded like it's about the procedures for starting the damn space shuttle. )
What I meant was that it's not a very good idea to try cutting thick hard wire with the tip of the jaws of your plies. You risk of damaging your pliers or even with cheaper brands one of the handles may snap. I've done that.
So it's better when you move the material as close as possible to the pivot joint. Than you use all the power you can get out of your cutters.

I wrote the above because I wanted to say that I do tend to keep my tools. I pay a lot of money for them (or at least for me they are a lot). I almost never use my chromed VDE cutters and pliers to cut things like these here. That's why I bought these pliers for.

Anyway ... lets move on.
I took a 3 mm thick regular iron and put them in the jaws of the pliers. From this position of the handles is easy to cut with either pliers. The opening of the handles are almost equal.

You can see here why I took the previous picture first. You see where in the jaws stays the the nail when the handles are equally opened. With the 74 91 250 it's at the inner end of the cutting edges, but on the CoBolt it's in the middle. You can see here the pivot pin of the CoBolt's jaws. It's good to keep it lubricated.
Both of the pliers handle very easy these 3 mm nails and the 2 mm steel nails.
Similar is the situation with the 3 mm steel wire and the 4 mm steel hanger, but I think you can feel the different types of leverage or the handles. Cutting the hanger was a bit easier with the CoBolt.

So ... the 6 mm threaded rod. You can see where it's positioned between the jaws before I started squeezing the handles. Models 71 31 200 and 71 32 200 have a jaw recess at the back end of the blades, so you can easily put thicker materials close to the pivot pin. For example the 4 mm steel hanger.

I haven't tried cutting it with one stroke so i made a notch with the first squeeze and with the second I've completed the cut. After making the notch I was able to slide the rod a little further back to the pin.

Cutting the threaded rod with the 74 91 250 however was a bit more challenging task. I had to make not one but 2 notches with the cutters. The notches make 90 degree with each other and formed something like a square. the third cut was the final, but was a little bit harder than the last cut with the CoBolt.

There it is!

I've cut the SPAX screw with the CoBolt. It took three notches before the final fourth cut. I forgot to take pictures of the notches, but they were similar to the threaded rod with the center cutters.

Aftermath.

So at last a few words for both of the pliers. Both are very good and cost almost the same (the CoBolt is about 5 Euros more). But before buying either pair you have to know what you're gonna be using them for. I can say that the CoBolt is strictly for harder wire, bolts and ... well it's a mini bolt cutter. If yor're gonna buy this I recommend you go for the top model - the CoBolt 71 32 200 (info from the KNIPEX site - pliers black atramentized, handles with slim multi-component grips, with recess for easier cutting of thicker wires, the recess in the blade allows easier cutting of thicker wires, e. g. for anchor bolts in false ceilings). The dual component handles and the opening spring really do make a difference.
The KNIPEX 74 91 200 therefore i a more versatile tool and almost does the job of the CoBolt. You can't cut a thick cable with the CoBolt, but that's not a problem with the center cutter. And you can reach into tight spaces.
I bought first the CoBolt and i found out the disadvantage of the smaller jaw opening and just recently decided to purchase the 74 91 200. Maybe if I have bought them first I wouldn't get the CoBolt but I'm glade I have both those tools in my toolbox.

 

[Miskin]

So at last a few words for both of the pliers. Both are very good and cost almost the same (the CoBolt is about 5 Euros more). But before buying either pair you have to know what you're gonna be using them for. I can say that the CoBolt is strictly for harder wire, bolts and ... well it's a mini bolt cutter. If yor're gonna buy this I recommend you go for the top model - the CoBolt 71 32 200 (info from the KNIPEX site - pliers black atramentized, handles with slim multi-component grips, with recess for easier cutting of thicker wires, the recess in the blade allows easier cutting of thicker wires, e. g. for anchor bolts in false ceilings). The dual component handles and the opening spring really do make a difference.
The KNIPEX 74 91 200 therefore i a more versatile tool and almost does the job of the CoBolt. You can't cut a thick cable with the CoBolt, but that's not a problem with the center cutter. And you can reach into tight spaces.
I bought first the CoBolt and i found out the disadvantage of the smaller jaw opening and just recently decided to purchase the 74 91 200. Maybe if I have bought them first I wouldn't get the CoBolt but I'm glade I have both those tools in my toolbox.

Great tool test, thanks!

 

[savas]

Some of mine recently purchased tools. PB Swiss Tools & C.K. I am very happy with their quality. Just a bit disappointed that PB tool does not have a serial number on it like all PB screw drivers do. So I am not sure about its life-time warranty.

 

[Monte]

very good tool test !!!! Thanks mr jack !!!!

Some of mine recently purchased tools. PB Swiss Tools & C.K. I am very happy with their quality. Just a bit disappointed that PB tool does not have a serial number on it like all PB screw drivers do. So am not sure about its life-time warranty.

nice pliers !!! Do you have some more pics, like from the other side of the pliers heads for example ?