Tools from the old world

[tube_guy]

The classic line (still available) from Elofort is just the same like Elora with a cheaper finish. The "new" ratchets and sockets are China or Taiwan stuff.

Last year, I contacted a US seller of Elora and Elofort tools to ask them about the Elofort line of wrenches. At that time, the seller told me that they were not made in Germany but he didn't say where they were made. He was selling the Elofort line at a significant discount over the German made Elora wrenches. So I'm not so sure that the Elofort wrenches are the same as Elora wrenches just with a cheaper finish. Years ago, possibly, but I'm not so sure about now.

 

[Nocturnal-G]

From what I understand... a majority of brands in Germany have outsourced lines. They won't ruin the reputation and name of their own brands so they created brands to serve the DIY population who seeks better prices.

Hazet - Vigor
Gedore - Carolus
Elora - Elofort
Heyco - Heytec... even though I've seen Heynen as well.

I'm sure these aren't all the brands...

Proxxon hand tools are outsourced and seem to be popular there, as well as Mannesmann.

 

[Blöckw@rt]

The ratchet and sockets from the *Classic Line* are definitely Made in Germany and my wrenches too !!

 

[tube_guy]

From what I understand... a majority of brands in Germany have outsourced lines. They won't ruin the reputation and name of their own brands so they created brands to serve the DIY population who seeks better prices.

Hazet - Vigor
Gedore - Carolus
Elora - Elofort
Heyco - Heytec... even though I've seen Heynen as well.

I'm sure these aren't all the brands...

Proxxon hand tools are outsourced and seem to be popular there, as well as Mannesmann.

Sure, and I appreciate the philosophy much more than cheapening the main line tools. Years ago, many tool brands did this sort of thing, cheapening mainly the finish work on the cheaper brand of tools. However, I don't think that's the case with Elora and Elofort these days. Elofort wrenches are supposedly not made in Germany, but they are supposedly manufactured under the direction of Elora Werkzeugfabrik in accordance with DIN 838, and ISO 3318 standards. At least from what I understand based on a single US seller of Elora and Elofort tools.

http://www.bloomertool.com/

There's the seller I contacted. There's a link at the bottom of their page to the Elofort tools. The Elora tools are clearly indicated as Made in Germany. The Elofort tools are not.

 

[Blöckw@rt]

Whether current Elofort wrenches now a day’s come from, i do not want to summon.

Heyco - Heytec... even though I've seen Heynen as well.

Heytec wrenches have a very good value for money in my humble opinion.

 

[tube_guy]

Whether current Elofort wrenches now a day’s come from, i do not want to summon.

I don't blame you. I was disappointed as well.

 

[Nocturnal-G]

Whether current Elofort wrenches now a day’s come from, i do not want to summon.



Heytec wrenches have a very good value for money in my humble opinion.

What's the difference between Heytec and Heynen?

 

[Blöckw@rt]

The wrenches from Heytec are a little bit thinner, have a rougher finish and they are cheaper than the Heynen stuff.

 

[zaboravi]

The wrenches from Heytec are a little bit thinner, have a rougher finish and they are cheaper than the Heynen stuff.

What do you think about rahsol socket sets? Something like this: http://www.ebay.de/itm/Steck-Nuss-S...n_Heimwerker_Handwerkzeug&hash=item35c4d23ab3 Is it German made? Thanks

 

[Blöckw@rt]

The ratchet and the sockets from Rahsol definitely Made in Germany, oldie but goldie !
A good value for the money.

 

[Bhae]

UMETA: http://www.umeta.com/en/home.html

MAKITA: (made by Leica)

 

[Blöckw@rt]

Hola

The Witte Bitholder looks very nice !

Me gusta mucho

 

[Bhae]

Hola

The Witte Bitholder looks very nice !

Me gusta mucho

Hola,

Jaja, a mi tambien me gustan!
(i like too)

 

[willhollin]

Bhae, any photos of your shop? Where is it located?

 

[zaboravi]

The ratchet and the sockets from Rahsol definitely Made in Germany, oldie but goldie !
A good value for the money.

Thanks I am DIY, but I like quality tools (German made )

 

[Monte]

Haha.
Although to be fair it is quite surprising that there are no negative reviews yet. Generally people are quicker to moan about a product than to praise one.
And if you look on Amazon.com, where there are 121 reviews, the negatives are compaining about it being defective out of the box or receiving a used/ returned item rather than a new one.

I think everybody will be happy with a makita set like that

Honestly I am more surprised you haven't suggested Festool yet!

i normally would because it´s the best but they don´t make a 10,8 Volt impact and
probably never will....the battery design and target group prohibit more tools...

Unfortunately there's not much in my area for tool stores. The only place nearby I've seen a Metabo tool for sale is Costco.

Have you seen or used one that you could comment on your impressions?

...only in a store... some stores had/have 10,8 volt tools to try them out...my favourite tools would be Dewalt, Hitachi and Festool because of the slim handle, the problems are i want more tools than just a drill/impact....so not every company offer what i want.... other "problems" with these brands are for example that the Hitachi has a 2 sleeve chuck, the Dewalt is quite long with 20 cm, Festool only offer one tool....then there are the tools with battery inside the handle....Metabo, Makita, Kress....i slightly prefer the Bosch/Milwaukee/Makita handle over the others... Bosch also makes the most compact/shortest drills/drivers/impacts.... they´re also lighter than Milwaukee for example....in a direct comparison with Makita i think the Bosch tools have a better build quality, the plastic parts fit better, the direction selector switch is not so wobbly etc....
so on my wish list is this Bosch 4 piece tool set (another reason for Bosch is that they offer a metal shear which i want...)

Agreed, and I have an amazing little Princeton Tec that has followed me up mountains, diving, on sea rescue operations, backpacking, sailing passages and racing, and occasionally into the garage

look then you need the Metabo as a back up flashlight

Watch this space for a new kitchen (kidding).

your wife will love you

I saw that, and was tempted, but for the way I'd be using it I think for my £150 it would be better to get two tools with 1.5AH batteries than one tool with 4.0AH.

I've looked though to see if the 4AH battery can be retrofit, but can't find any info on that. Do you hapen to know?

yes the 4.0AH battery will fit !

Any particular reason why the Dewalt offering

remember that the 12 (10,8) Volt Dewalt drill is as long as their 20/18 Volt model...

there is also the Hitachi kit in that size too.

two sleeve chuck.....

Since the novelty of having a good camera on me has not yet worn off, I was taking some photos of Hazet 600N and decided to throw Snap On spanner in the works (pun intended). Here's very amicable, non-scientific mini photoshoot of the World's Best Spanner and Snap On ;-)

thank you for these nice pictures !

Also impressive how much thinner the Hazet open end is, although I think in the German magazine test the Hazet 13mm actually measured thicker than the SO at the open end. Was it a different model Hazet in the test, has one of the companies altered the design, or is it specific to the smaller sizes I wonder?

Catalog data:

Hazet: 6,3mm
http://www.hazet.de/produkte/online...schluessel/ring-maulschluessel/4000896023059/

Snap-on Flank Drive Plus: 6mm
http://buy1.snapon.com/catalog/item..._ID=633058&group_ID=674989&store=&dir=catalog

Snap-On Flank Drive: 6mm
http://buy1.snapon.com/catalog/item..._ID=633163&group_ID=674993&store=&dir=catalog

Maybe Alx posted pics of the brand new Snap-On combi wrenches which are thicker now so they win against Hazet

New Elofort not similar Elora. Old is better, just finishing is lower than in Elora???
Please give us your opinion.
thanks

Old Elofort = Elora with a different name = Made in Germany
New Elofort = Made in Taiwan www.Elofort.de

If you want the best, you got it !
Nothing more, nothing less.........

 

[Monte]

some new Beta videos....showing how they produce their tools !

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[Duck tape Bill]

I've seen both those spanners before of course, but one thing I hadn't picked up on before is that SO bend the beam to achieve and angle at the ring end. No comments on wheter that's actualy good or bad, but it seems like an afterthought.

You should check out this video of snap on wrenches being made... they put the bend in the wrench after it has been forged... just FYI

 

[Tomassino]

These came in today, very happy!

Knipex 002011 Assembly Pack & Felo 410 96148 screwdriver set

 

[Blöckw@rt]

A few older stuff.

The Hazet wrenches are from the 1950´s very rare and valuable.

 

[Roverbo]

A few older stuff.

The Hazet wrenches are from the 1950´s very rare and valuable.

Hi Blöckw@rt,
very nice old tools! I love tools that shows "I´ve lived a hard life, but still in working condition"... and the "West Germany" tag is always a +1 in value.
Never seen the Silberspeer nor the Friweg brands before?

 

[candikid]

A few older stuff.

The Hazet wrenches are from the 1950´s very rare and valuable.

I find one of your pictures just a tad too small Blöckw@rt (clickable)

BTW, I did not zoom in!

<a href='http://bildr.no/view/1403484'><img src='http://bildr.no/thumb/1403484.jpeg' alt='1403484' /></a>

 

[CanUK]

Metabo kit arrived today! Very pleased and it seems plenty powerful for my needs. If I had to complain about anything it'd be that the case is mediocre quality and probably a lot larger than it needs to be, but that's being quite picky:

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[Blöckw@rt]

Never seen the Silberspeer nor the Friweg brands before?

Friweg tools offered by Hansewerkzeug a "rebranding company" from Monte´s hometown Hamburg, maybe he have more information ?

The Silberspeer pliers made by NWS.

candikid
I find one of your pictures just a tad too small Blöckw@rt (clickable)

I vow to improve !

 

[needmoretools]

After looking at all the pictures. I had to try some old world goodness for myself....

 

[needmoretools]

 

[JoeMk1]

Wiha Soft Finish

Wiha Microfinish

Felo Ergonic and ratcheting bit holder

And the standard anti gravity shot of course

I have to say that from the limited use that they have had so far, the Wihas seem marginally more durable.

Hazet offset wrenches

Sandvik 1/4" files (Chainsaw files)

Bahco Hacksaw with Sandflex blade - a revelation after years of using cheap hardware store blades

Bahco files

 

[CanUK]

After looking at all the pictures. I had to try some old world goodness for myself....
~loads of great pics~

Nice collection! What part of Canada are you in (Mastercraft)?

 

[CanUK]

Wiha Soft Finish

Wiha Microfinish

Hey Joe (where you goin with that gun in your hand?): I've got a truckload of Wiha SoftFinish, but I've never had my hands on the MicroFinish. Which do you prefer (and why)?

Did you get the MicroFinish in the UK?

 

[Monte]

Never seen the Silberspeer nor the Friweg brands before?

the company Silberspeer was founded in 1984 and is a distributor of hand tools sold mainly in DIY stores: www.silberspeer.de

The company Friweg don´t exist anymore, it was a local north german tool wholesaler. The company closed in 2005. The employees started a new company in 2005: "Hansewerkzeug". They sell different tools for the professional user under their label: www.hansewerkzeug.de

After looking at all the pictures. I had to try some old world goodness for myself....

that´s a good start !
nice to see some german made Wera´s....

 

[JoeMk1]

Hey Joe (where you goin with that gun in your hand?): I've got a truckload of Wiha SoftFinish, but I've never had my hands on the MicroFinish. Which do you prefer (and why)?

Did you get the MicroFinish in the UK?

Hi,

I think it depends on what you want to use them for. I haven't given them much use yet, but the Microfinish have a rough finish that is rock hard, so would undoubtedly be better with wet or oily hands. As you would expect, the blades are identical to the Soft finishes. One thing I did notice is that some of the blades on the Microfinishes aren't lined up, rotationally if you see what I mean. Of course that doesn't affect the function. I think that the heavy duty Microfinish with striking cap would be the ultimate 'dirty work' screwdriver.

I got them from here:

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Wiha-Micr...t=UK_Hand_Tools_Equipment&hash=item2a28ed1e42

The picture is rubbish, but his feedback was good enough for me to take a chance at that price.


For reference, the set has:

PZ1 x 80
PZ2 x 100
3.5 x 100
4 x 100
5.5 x 100
6.5 x 100

 

[Monte]

Oral-B by Braun teeth cleaning tool



tool + charger =

 

[shoturtle]

monte,

Never thought about putting photos of my oral b electric tooth brush up as a tool of the old world, even though they are made in germany.

 

[unknow82]

some new Beta videos....showing how they produce their tools !

I just love those svivel head t-handel wrenches, I use less and less ratchets when I have change to use t-wrenches.
Btw. VERY NICE to see tools are not made in China.

 

[Zoltar]

Hello Monte, I have read one of posting before regarding German imports; Vigor is the cheaper version of Hazet, are they made outside of Germany? Is Heytec the same version as Vigor for Heyco tools. Thanks. (I'm kind new to this site.)

 

[CanUK]

Hi,

I think it depends on what you want to use them for. I haven't given them much use yet, but the Microfinish have a rough finish that is rock hard, so would undoubtedly be better with wet or oily hands. As you would expect, the blades are identical to the Soft finishes. One thing I did notice is that some of the blades on the Microfinishes aren't lined up, rotationally if you see what I mean. Of course that doesn't affect the function. I think that the heavy duty Microfinish with striking cap would be the ultimate 'dirty work' screwdriver.

I got them from here:

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Wiha-Micr...t=UK_Hand_Tools_Equipment&hash=item2a28ed1e42

The picture is rubbish, but his feedback was good enough for me to take a chance at that price.


For reference, the set has:

PZ1 x 80
PZ2 x 100
3.5 x 100
4 x 100
5.5 x 100
6.5 x 100

Thanks Joe.

That's a fantastic price - you should post it in the UK Hot Deals thread. I'd grab a set, but I'm drowning in Wiha slots. Why, oh why don't they sell a 6pc set of PH & PZ 1-3?!! (to get more money out of our pockets I'm sure is the answer).

I've also ordered from CarlF in Peterborough before (a set of Wiha circlip pliers) and was pleased with the service.

 

[Monte]

monte,

Never thought about putting photos of my oral b electric tooth brush up as a tool of the old world, even though they are made in germany.

i was bored....

I just love those svivel head t-handel wrenches, I use less and less ratchets when I have change to use t-wrenches.
Btw. VERY NICE to see tools are not made in China.

but quite expensive if you buy all sizes of the T-handles...

Hello Monte, I have read one of posting before regarding German imports; Vigor is the cheaper version of Hazet, are they made outside of Germany? Is Heytec the same version as Vigor for Heyco tools. Thanks. (I'm kind new to this site.)

Vigor is made in Taiwan ( a exception are the hex keys and a hole saw set), and yes Heytec is similar to Vigor like Carolus too (Gedore).

 

[mercucho]

 

[Maexle]

i guess this qualifies now for the "old world" for the fact that New Zealand is "younger"....

 

[shoturtle]

Maxele,

I would agree with your logic there, New Zealand is a younger country in the US. But every now and then we get a snap on or other usa tool posted over here.