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Jure

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A lot of those look like tools from the New World... ;)

What's the story on Unior? I did a few cursory searches, and they appear to make A LOT of bicycle tools - an odd niche for most industrial tool makers. I'm thinking I'm going to have to give some a try!

good tools made in slovenia
 
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JoeMk1

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Cool old pliers. They could very well be Knipex, or one of many brands :dunno:

Anyway...

Actually, there's a really excellent method that I just tried today and it works astonishingly well on things which are just lightly rusted, like your pliers:

You won't believe it, but just use some aluminum foil and sprinkle on some water and rub. You don't need to scrub hard. just keep it wet and the aluminum reacts with the rust. You'll start to see the water turn gray.
The best part is the aluminum won't scratch the chrome plating and will leave it exactly the appearance as original (as long as it's not pitted). That's especially important on tools that have a matte finish, like Hazet wrenches. Other harsher methods can easily change that finish texture and leave it looking scrubbed. Just make sure that it is clean before you start. If there's grit, then that will scratch it. You can wad the aluminum up to press into depressions. Try it, it works fast.:thumbup:
Then just oil it when you're done with something like WD40.

Incredible! Thank you :D

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Did my Bahco adjustable as well:

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Thanks again :thumbup:
 

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Some more Ebay tools today,


firstly an nos pair of Belzer pliers, not sure what they were designed for, wire cutters or jewelers tools possibly? if anyone knows for sure would be nice to know.
nice design though, I love the old red translucent handles, and the polished chrome, (which is quite interesting as most German tools are matte finished)

Came in the original box too, sadly its a bit tatty















Secondly some old made in England Britool sockets

as you can seem despite being the same range all 3 are different, from different years of production I'd think.

I guess they changed the knurling and stamping, then the design of the socket? id assume the one with the diamond shaped Britool lettering is the oldest

Bit of a pain as i want to sort out a matching set, ill wait untill i have more then can sell/swap the odd ones (or collect 3 sets :lol_hitti ) the older(?)style socket with the diamond lettering appeals to me the most aesthetically though, anyone on here have any idea of year of manufacture etc of Britool sockets? (or somewhere i can find out?)





as you can seem despite being the same range all 3 are different, from different years of production I'd think.

I guess they changed the knurling and stamping, then the design of the socket? id assume the one with the diamond shaped Britool lettering is the oldest

Bit of a pain as i want to sort out a matching set, ill wait untill i have more then can sell/swap the odd ones (or collect 3 sets :lol_hitti ) the older(?)style socket with the diamond lettering appeals to me the most aesthetically though

And last ones for today, a Gedore 3/4 drive impact extension, and a 32mm 1/2 drive hazet 900lg series socket,











the extension is new, socket is "used" but doesn't appear to have actually been used for anything. need to get some more socket rails now though, (probably Hansen ones, not quite old world :p)
 
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firstly an nos pair of Belzer pliers, not sure what they were designed for
They're a type of stand-off cutter, which are used to trim the leads off of through hole components once they've been stuffed into the boards. Some also bend the lead over to hold the component in place, which this one appears to do (leaves a bit of lead shaped like: \ as it sticks out the back side of the PCB).

Leaves the correct amount of lead sticking past the board for soldering.
 

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They're a type of stand-off cutter, which are used to trim the leads off of through hole components once they've been stuffed into the boards. Some also bend the lead over to hold the component in place, which this one appears to do (leaves a bit of lead shaped like: \ as it sticks out the back side of the PCB).

Leaves the correct amount of lead sticking past the board for soldering.

Thanks, hadn't even thought about that use, makes sense now you've mentioned it.

They should come in handy though, as i do a bit of hobby electronics on occasion (making Nixie clocks etc)
 

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Thanks, hadn't even thought about that use, makes sense now you've mentioned it.

They should come in handy though, as i do a bit of hobby electronics on occasion (making Nixie clocks etc)
Darn. I was hoping you might put it up for sale. :D

I have an electronics bench at home, and it's one of the hand tools I still haven't managed to acquire yet.
 

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Like the Britool sockets! Getting harder to find now!

Yes, I seem to recall the 'diamond' lettering is the older style. Generally, the older the better with Britool - the late 60's / early 70's (before they introduced the plastic handles) being best, though they produced good stuff into the 80's!

At one time they started using a double row of knurling to denote Metric, and Single for A/F and Whit!

The part number EBM stands for Engineers (1/2 inch drive) Bihex (12 point) Metric, followed by size in mm!

Enjoy!
 

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Some more Ebay tools today,




Secondly some old made in England Britool sockets

as you can seem despite being the same range all 3 are different, from different years of production I'd think.

I guess they changed the knurling and stamping, then the design of the socket? id assume the one with the diamond shaped Britool lettering is the oldest

Bit of a pain as i want to sort out a matching set, ill wait untill i have more then can sell/swap the odd ones (or collect 3 sets :lol_hitti ) the older(?)style socket with the diamond lettering appeals to me the most aesthetically though, anyone on here have any idea of year of manufacture etc of Britool sockets? (or somewhere i can find out?)





as you can seem despite being the same range all 3 are different, from different years of production I'd think.

I guess they changed the knurling and stamping, then the design of the socket? id assume the one with the diamond shaped Britool lettering is the oldest

Bit of a pain as i want to sort out a matching set, ill wait untill i have more then can sell/swap the odd ones (or collect 3 sets :lol_hitti ) the older(?)style socket with the diamond lettering appeals to me the most aesthetically though

And last ones for today, a Gedore 3/4 drive impact extension, and a 32mm 1/2 drive hazet 900lg series socket,








the extension is new, socket is "used" but doesn't appear to have actually been used for anything. need to get some more socket rails now though, (probably Hansen ones, not quite old world :p)

Those Britool sockets rock! :rocker: You've got to find a way to put together a set of the diamond logo ones. No doubt there's some old fart who's never heard of the internet with a dusty old store somewhere who's got a full set in the original box collecting dust on his shelf and he'll sell the set to you for a song. You are in the UK, aren't you. What if you were stuck in a backwater like Taiwan, what would you do?
I would love to get my greedy paws on some vintage Britool :drool:
You are so lucky to be in the UK!
I much prefer Britool over King ****. And with King ****, you're always contending with all those sniggers over the name :lol_hitti
why couldn't they just call it Abingdon tools or something...

BTW Love the Hazet deep socket. I've only got one so far in 26mm. Do you not agree that the Hazet deep sockets are the coolest sockets on Planet Earth? :rocker:
I'm going to put together a set of those and put them in my empty blue Hazet metal case.
 

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Secondly some old made in England Britool sockets

as you can seem despite being the same range all 3 are different, from different years of production I'd think.

I guess they changed the knurling and stamping, then the design of the socket? id assume the one with the diamond shaped Britool lettering is the oldest

Bit of a pain as i want to sort out a matching set, ill wait untill i have more then can sell/swap the odd ones (or collect 3 sets :lol_hitti ) the older(?)style socket with the diamond lettering appeals to me the most aesthetically though, anyone on here have any idea of year of manufacture etc of Britool sockets? (or somewhere i can find out?)

as you can seem despite being the same range all 3 are different, from different years of production I'd think.

I guess they changed the knurling and stamping, then the design of the socket? id assume the one with the diamond shaped Britool lettering is the oldest

Bit of a pain as i want to sort out a matching set, ill wait untill i have more then can sell/swap the odd ones (or collect 3 sets :lol_hitti ) the older(?)style socket with the diamond lettering appeals to me the most aesthetically though

If it's any use/interest, I recently had a set of EBM-series that were not marked "Made in England" -so presumably a later generation. I hadn't used them (sold them on as I had too much stuff), but they gave me the impression of being very good quality.

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I have unraveled one part of the mystery of the Hazet carburetor kit
Courtesy of a member of the aircooled VW fan site thesamba

The tool number 4513 which is a deep socket with the swiveling slothead screwdriver with a sleeve.

The sleeve acts as a holder for the main jet when changing jets on a carburetor which is still installed on the car so you don't drop it into the intake manifold :scared:.

What a cool tool! :rocker:

These aircooled VW guys are Hazet fanatics! not like me :lol_hitti
 

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Please, make photo of this wrench when it has biggest span.
Can I expect for 32mm?

Just ;)



Maximum is about 32.5mm, so good for 32mm :)

It's the 10" Model:

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Sorry the pictures are sideways, photobucket decided to rotate them :dunno:

Monte said:
"Top Craft"/"KWB Aggresso Power" wire wheels
Monte, please let us know how well they last compared to a conventional wire brush. Also are they for drill only?
 

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Like the Britool sockets! Getting harder to find now!

Yes, I seem to recall the 'diamond' lettering is the older style. Generally, the older the better with Britool - the late 60's / early 70's (before they introduced the plastic handles) being best, though they produced good stuff into the 80's!

At one time they started using a double row of knurling to denote Metric, and Single for A/F and Whit!

The part number EBM stands for Engineers (1/2 inch drive) Bihex (12 point) Metric, followed by size in mm!

Enjoy!


yeah, they aren't as common now, i still keep an eye out for ones at any car boot sales etc (as well as ebay) but sadly they don't turn up so often these days, particularly the metric ones :sad:

Will have to go and have a closer look at the solitary 1/2 drive 3/4" one i have in my toolbox, it has two rows of knurling iirc though and the square script

I didn't realize that about the code :) makes sense though, i guess fractional ones didn't have the E prefix and they used H for single hex? i don't recall ever seeing any ones mind, but then single hex doesn't seem to have been so common in the uk in the 70's or 80's though, apart from impact sockets.

Those Britool sockets rock! :rocker: You've got to find a way to put together a set of the diamond logo ones. No doubt there's some old fart who's never heard of the internet with a dusty old store somewhere who's got a full set in the original box collecting dust on his shelf and he'll sell the set to you for a song. You are in the UK, aren't you. What if you were stuck in a backwater like Taiwan, what would you do?
I would love to get my greedy paws on some vintage Britool :drool:
You are so lucky to be in the UK!
I much prefer Britool over King ****. And with King ****, you're always contending with all those sniggers over the name :lol_hitti
why couldn't they just call it Abingdon tools or something...

BTW Love the Hazet deep socket. I've only got one so far in 26mm. Do you not agree that the Hazet deep sockets are the coolest sockets on Planet Earth? :rocker:
I'm going to put together a set of those and put them in my empty blue Hazet metal case.

Yeah, on the lookout for any at the moment, they are a bit rare though, would love to find a full set, don't think I've actually ever seen a set of them in a box in person, though there are a couple of very incomplete sets on ebay atm, most of the ones I have seen seem to be like that :(

Britool stuff is fairly common though (you have to weed through a lot of new Britool to find the made in England stuff though :p), but a not as cheap these days :( as the 'new is better' disease is common over here too and people often seem to throw out a lot of good quality tools "because they are old" and buy new stuff (never understand that mentality :confused: )

hah, yeah i always used to laugh at king **** tools name as well, at least they are still made in the uk, (as far as i know?) they aren't nearly as well known as other uk 'brands' though :( (which is a shame as almost all the others are used to sell mainly made in Taiwan or china tools under the impression that they are uk made....)

I love the hazet sockets too, only have this one, a 27mm in 1/2 drive, and one 21mm 3/8 drive one, need to get more though, (particularly the 3/8 ones, to replace my current cheap no name set)

If it's any use/interest, I recently had a set of EBM-series that were not marked "Made in England" -so presumably a later generation. I hadn't used them (sold them on as I had too much stuff), but they gave me the impression of being very good quality.

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Not sure where those were made, look similar in design to the ones i have, sadly id wager they were made somewhere in Asia by the lack of coo. they seem to have changed the design since then too, and now have the shiny polished chrome that most made in Taiwan tools have :/
 
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Applesauce,
Please post your impression when you use them. Non/pro bike mech. here.
 

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That's weird, my close-up photo of 3 sockets has disappeared off IMAGESHACK.

I'll try to find the original and re-upload.
 

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Lok i can't wait Magic 2013 promotions come to Greece! There's a few things i want to buy.
This little beast came in my hands while I was looking for a 3/4 tommy bar. :)

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The question is what socket to get. Hexagon or double hexagon? :headscrat
I didn't expect to buy the 3/4 ratchet from GEDORE...:pimpflash .... no i lied i knew it wil be a Gedore :lol_hitti
About the sockets i choose double hexagon. You already had the 1/2 in hexagon as i can see in your toolbox.
 
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Has anyone noticed the similarity between UNIOR and GEDORE special screwdriver? Anyone knows where are they produced?

UNIOR:
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Has anyone noticed the similarity between UNIOR and GEDORE special screwdriver? Anyone knows where are they produced?

Oops... that's interesting. Unior tools are cheaper compare to Gedore here in Greece. If the manufacturer is the same i will give Unior dealer a visit.
 

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Most of my stuff is from USA and Taiwan. My 4 piece Snap On vise grip set was made in Spain. I've got a Snap On hack saw that was made in Sweden, I assume by Bahco. I bought 2 off set metric wrenches Epstien's that were made by Facom of France, and my Dad gave me an old Black & Decker 3/8 x 7/16 off set wrench that is marked "Made in West Germany"
 

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Oops... that's interesting. Unior tools are cheaper compare to Gedore here in Greece. If the manufacturer is the same i will give Unior dealer a visit.

I found the answer! Handles are produced by OPLAST, (25 kilometers away from my home) and shanks by UNIOR maybe (30 kilometers away from my home).
 

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I found the answer! Handles are produced by OPLAST, (25 kilometers away from my home) and shanks by UNIOR maybe (30 kilometers away from my home).

i don´t know if there is a big difference.... handle shape is about the same.....steel might be different.... in the 2011 Catalog they write that the steel is a "Chrom Vanadium Plus" steel in the older 2003 catalog they specifiy it more precise and write that the slotted drivers with blade diameter 2 to 6.5 mm are made of 73MoV52 steel and the sized 7 to 10mm use 61CrSiV5 but no specs for cross head drivers... but which is better and why ..... ??? Only Gedore knows that :) or their screwdriver supplier since the new style is not made in Germany...

This is the second time i heard that the Gedore screwdrivers are not made in Germany. :confused:
 

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You mean these?

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The superslim sockets I bought recently and haven't put them through their paces yet but they look top notch in every way. I expect I'm really going to be pleased with them.


Yes, thank you. There are some sockets on ebay at the moment.

They look excellent in your photos and have that all important England stamp.

I think I will have to buy a few.



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The question is what socket to get. Hexagon or double hexagon? :headscrat


Go for the 12 point.

Rounding off is less of a problem with larger fasteners.

Also when you combine a breaker bar with a long cheater bar, a long extension and a large socket, it becomes rather cumbersome when repositioning or moving to a different bolt. 12 point is a bit handier.
 

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Guess these qualify
Facom Black series and a couple enduro's from ultimategarage.com. I really like them. I've been taking things apart for no reason ever since the mailman dropped them off this morning lol.

Ultimategarage.com is on point, first order won't be my last basically next day shipping for 10 dollars and good prices. (probably not the only one here that has said this.)

 
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