Tools from the old world

[2oolhound]

Brilliant!

I see you've got some late model metric 600 series. Have you got an extra 27mm? I'm short that one size to make a full set.
Old 600 series are like hen's teeth out there!
Anybody out there can help?

Hi, sorry, that is part of a set I have (still new in the box) but only the 8 piece set. I have those sized covered but I can't bring myself to part with this set.

 

[Blöckw@rt]

@Alfajuj

Long time ago I bought some wrenches by Infar (Taiwan),do you know more about this brand, reputation etc. ?

Two no name ratchets from the 1980´s reminds me of Facom

A very, very old no name wrench.

Very, very old too !

LUX screwdrivers made by Felo.

 

[Alfajuj]

Hi, sorry, that is part of a set I have (still new in the box) but only the 8 piece set. I have those sized covered but I can't bring myself to part with this set.

Yeah, I wouldn't want to break up your set.

That set would be the 600/8, which includes 9 11 14 17 19 22 27 32

What strange sets Hazet came up with!
To me, those sizes seem like a random sample!

Have a look at my classifieds ad, If you want to trade something for it, let me know.

BTW Are you going to rechrome those whitworth wrenches?

 

[Alfajuj]

@Alfajuj

Long time ago I bought some wrenches by Infar (Taiwan),do you know more about this brand, reputation etc. ?

No, sorry. I've never heard of that brand.
They sure do look nice, though.

I have checked and apparently they are a fairly large manufacturer of quality wrenches and gearwrenches.

Keep in mind that a lot of made in Taiwan tools are made for export and OEM, so many never appear in the local market.
When I bought a few Toptul things, it was through a trading company. The manufacturer doesn't even bother with the local market!
Everyone in Taiwan wants to buy made in Japan.

From all the random off brand items you have, I can tell that you are like me. Whenever you see a hardware store, you can't help but go in and look around for hidden treasures. Forgotten old stock that the store owner is more than happy to get rid of.

 

[Roverbo]

Hello guys,
this thread is going on and on, I can't believe it!
780 pages!

I want to share a tool with you that I use quite regularly - my Bahco 8070 6" adjustable wrench. But as I looked closely at the wrench I did not see a COO.
Does anybody know where they are made?

Here are pictures of it:
http://imageshack.us/a/img23/3256/20130512001.jpg
http://imageshack.us/a/img339/2371/20130512002.jpg

Kind regards

Hi MoAiZo, you can hope that they are made in Spain...and fear that they are made in China

Here are some Hazet items I have recently picked up:

625 series box wrenches:

http://www.garagejournal.com/forum/showthread.php?p=3106812#post3106812

Hi Alfajuj, nice tools - and quite a collection you have! Please explain the 625 box wrenches...have I got i right - is it same size box in both ends, but different offset angle? Or is the size stamping only on the "active side" ?

 

[neophyte]

@Alfajuj

Very, very old too !

I don't know much about Rotfuss, but another style of Plier/Wrench they must have been known for, is still manufactured by Elora. On the Elora Website it's listed as the 135- Quick Gripping Pliers, The 135-5BI has bi-material grips. The 135-5MB has bare chrome plated grips that are painted red on the ends.

http://www.elora.de/site/en/shop/details.php?breadcrumbs=yes&lang=en&id1=3031&gruppe=2203

Bloomer Tool in the USA has them listed as Pipe and Waterpump Plier "Rotfuss" Pattern.

http://bloomertool.com/images/1352.JPG

There's also a mention of this style of pliers on alloy-artifacts.

http://home.comcast.net/~alloy-artifacts/european-tool-makers.html#rotfuss-pliers

Cool wrench, the people over at alloy-artifacts seem to only know about the adjustable pliers I mentioned.

 

[Alfajuj]

Hi Alfajuj, nice tools - and quite a collection you have! Please explain the 625 box wrenches...have I got i right - is it same size box in both ends, but different offset angle? Or is the size stamping only on the "active side" ?

Thanks!

For the 625 series, It is the latter.
The active side is stamped.
All the wrenches are 2 sized. The offsets are the same.

The 625 series are the standard offset double box wrenches. they are offset by about the thickness of one box head and angled at 10 degrees.
Hazet seems to be phasing these out. But since they are the most standard type of box wrench, I suspect that they are preparing to launch a new 625N series some time soon.

The 630 are the deep offeset box wrenches.
The 610N are the short, zero offset box wrenches.

About 20 years ago, Hazet used to make a 635 series double box wrench which was with standard offset like the 625, but short.

 

[2oolhound]

Yeah, I wouldn't want to break up your set.

That set would be the 600/8, which includes 9 11 14 17 19 22 27 32

What strange sets Hazet came up with!
To me, those sizes seem like a random sample!

Have a look at my classifieds ad, If you want to trade something for it, let me know.

BTW Are you going to rechrome those whitworth wrenches?

Yes, the set is the 600/N8 (maybe N stands for North america) I heard there were different arrangements for different parts of the globe but not sure if it's true. My set is different - 9, 10, 11, 13, 14, 17, 19, 22.

Here's some photos of what's in mine:




Regarding my whitworth set I was thinking - I picked up a commemorative anniversary 22K gold rebranded gearwrench set a while back real cheap and so was thinking maybe I could use them as donors in an electrolysis tank and get that 22K gold plating to migrate over to my whitworth Hazets. Now that would be righteous! I'm going to have to look into that. Failing that outcome I may look into chrome plating. I'm not sure if tools are hard chromed or not.

I'll look at your classified in the meantime.

 

[Alfajuj]

Yes, the set is the 600/N8 (maybe N stands for North america) I heard there were different arrangements for different parts of the globe but not sure if it's true. My set is different - 9, 10, 11, 13, 14, 17, 19, 22.

Here's some photos of what's in mine:




Regarding my whitworth set I was thinking - I picked up a commemorative anniversary 22K gold rebranded gearwrench set a while back real cheap and so was thinking maybe I could use them as donors in an electrolysis tank and get that 22K gold plating to migrate over to my whitworth Hazets. Now that would be righteous! I'm going to have to look into that. Failing that outcome I may look into chrome plating. I'm not sure if tools are hard chromed or not.

I'll look at your classified in the meantime.

Sweet! In the original box!
Oh, you have the 600/8N set. I thought it was the 600/8 (which would include the 27mm) The "N" just means new, by the way.
Now I don't feel bad that you won't part with it. You don't have the 27 anyway!

My 600 set, so far includes the following sizes:
6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 26 (27 missing agggh ) 28 29 30 32.
Having a missing size just drives me nuts!

It's important to have patience when collecting obsolete tools. If I absolutely can't find a 27, I can use a 1-1/6 as a substitute since I do have one and the size happens to be almost exactly the same. (1-1/16 = 26.9875mm)

There is a very well used ex-army 600-27 for sale on German Ebay. I contacted this seller, but he is a bit of a knucklehead. This seller has a zillion ex German army tools for sale, and many of them look interesting, so it's annoying that he can't figure out how to sell internationally...

I just have to be patient and keep looking for a NOS one.

For rechroming, the key factor is your preparation. They need to be absolutely clean.

 

[dodi]

Hello to everybody!
I have been watching this post for a very long time, and I have greatly enjoying it.
Thank you for your wonderful posts!
I would like to ask you a question.
I know that there is/was a bit manufacturer in the town of Koln, somewhere in the proximity of the main train station, who is making bits especially for other brands.
Can somebody tell me the name of the manufacturer and if it still exists?
Maybe the members of the forum from Germany have some kind of information.

Thank you very much!

 

[nowlan]

I got 600N off Alx. Comes in new box.
Tray makes it hard to pick up larger sizes as they overlap.
Sizes 10, 11, 13, 14, 15, 17, 19, 22mm

Shame it is Euro Metric, missing 12mm for my Nissan.
Debating getting 10,12,14 ratcheting since common Jap sizes.

Looking at Hazet catalogue, US sizes are 600 N A/8-1 < A for American.

Also following metric sets:

600 N/12 = 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 21 22
600 N/17 = 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 21 22 24 27
600 N/21 = 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 21 22 24 27 30 32
600 N/30 = 5.5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 21 22 23 24 25 26 27 28 29 30 32 34 36 41

 

[Miskin]

i don´t know but the design looks like a standard tool from Taiwan or China....
ok handle looks a bit different:
http://www.rungsee.com/E/body.php?web=14&PNo=2008030047

edit:
here´s the Aldi wrench....Lidl sold it too 14.99€...

87.-€ ...cheap ???

No it's expensive, that's what try to explain to the other members (of the Greek forum) that don't have a clue about tools.

check this out:
http://www.ebay.de/sch/i.html?_odkw...313&_nkw=carolus+drehmomentschlüssel&_sacat=0

Thanks Monte! I find this torque wrench
with your help. I think it's a good choice

 

[decaf]

Bought this nice set from Sandvik/Belzer today. Only 25 Eur....








And a nice VDE set from Wera. Really light and comfort to use. With some special tips like the PZ/S.












Voltstick Phasen:







Toolcheck from Wera:





Bahco knife:

 

[north]

That's some nice tools there decaf. And €25 for the wrenches? You ****.

 

[buco]

25 euros for these wrenchs? Wow.

 

[2oolhound]

Sweet! In the original box!
Oh, you have the 600/8N set. I thought it was the 600/8 (which would include the 27mm) The "N" just means new, by the way.

Actually if you look at the tools they are the old 600. The "N" only appears on the box and next to the 600, it is after the set #. It is in the old catalogs I have from the 80's that way too. I thought the New wrenches have the stamp right on the wrench after the "600"

There is a very well used ex-army 600-27 for sale on German Ebay. I contacted this seller, but he is a bit of a knucklehead. This seller has a zillion ex German army tools for sale, and many of them look interesting, so it's annoying that he can't figure out how to sell internationally...

I see that a lot here too. If these guys only realized how much more money they'd make selling internationally they would learn. I found my Hazet whitworth wrenches on "Trade Me" in New Zealand. Because of their system I couldn't even sign up on the site and I tried using a fake local address too, just so I could talk to the lister. I ended up appealing to a group on my motorcycle forum to get someone local to help. Several locals responded, purchased and forwarded them to me. It was a lot of extra hassle but I got my wrenches and experienced the generosity + goodwill of people 1/2 way around the world who I only knew on a forum.

SOMEONE HELP Alfajuj get a Hazet 600-27 wrench!!!

 

[Monte]

monte, you need that for your keychain: *click!*

ooooohhhhhhhhhhhh i want
but where do i store the sockets.... ?

maybe

Great!!
you should add some of this Japanese key chain

awesome
but i need at least a set of wrenches from 8 to 19mm ...that will be a bit heavy and bulky

nice how long 65mm?

50mm

Here are some Hazet items I have recently picked up:

nice ! But why are you selling everything ?

lastly for now is this, which was a real find imho

wow that thing is sweet !!

I also scored some new Hazet stuff:

nice NOS stuff

No it's expensive, that's what try to explain to the other members (of the Greek forum) that don't have a clue about tools.

Thanks Monte! I find this torque wrench
with your help. I think it's a good choice

i think too
there are other choices though
http://www.ebay.co.uk/sch/i.html?_t...&_nkw=torque+wrench+norbar&_sacat=0&_from=R40






Kretzer scissors
www.kretzer.de

 

[Miskin]

i think too
there are other choices though
http://www.ebay.co.uk/sch/i.html?_t...&_nkw=torque+wrench+norbar&_sacat=0&_from=R40

Thanks to you i found out that we have a Norbar dealer right here in Athens!
http://pikounistools.gr/shop/

 

[decaf]

25 euros for these wrenchs? Wow.

Jupp on a bidding site similar to ebay....

 

[Alfajuj]

nice ! But why are you selling everything ?

I'm not selling everything.
If I were to sell everything, I'd need my own website

I'm just selling my extras and things which don't fit in my collection.
Sometimes you buy things in lots and you get extras, etc.

 

[Alfajuj]

Actually if you look at the tools they are the old 600. The "N" only appears on the box and next to the 600, it is after the set #. It is in the old catalogs I have from the 80's that way too. I thought the New wrenches have the stamp right on the wrench after the "600"




I see that a lot here too. If these guys only realized how much more money they'd make selling internationally they would learn. I found my Hazet whitworth wrenches on "Trade Me" in New Zealand. Because of their system I couldn't even sign up on the site and I tried using a fake local address too, just so I could talk to the lister. I ended up appealing to a group on my motorcycle forum to get someone local to help. Several locals responded, purchased and forwarded them to me. It was a lot of extra hassle but I got my wrenches and experienced the generosity + goodwill of people 1/2 way around the world who I only knew on a forum.

SOMEONE HELP Alfajuj get a Hazet 600-27 wrench!!!

Thanks for your support!
I'll keep searching!

Now that the ebay witch has allowed me to list again, I'm putting some items up for sale:
http://www.ebay.com/sch/alfajuj/m.html?item=251275737773&ssPageName=STRK%3AMESELX%3AIT&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2562

I love collecting obsolete tools.
There isn't much sport in collecting present production. You just buy it. Yaaaaawn.
It's much more fun digging and searching for the one you want. There always seems to be at least one size of the the set which eludes you.
so I prefer 600 to 600N, 450 to 450N, and if I'm really feeling masochistic, I can start collecting 635 box wrenches, or better yet, small "a" Hazet tools!!!
But truly, I can't bring myself to collect 610 zero offset box wrenches. They're just so homely compared to the astonishingly lovely 610N series. What gems they are!
Right now I'm asking on a Dutch market site about a used 600-27. The site is only in Dutch and for some reason, the Google translation doesn't work on this site. All the more fun! I'll translate it sentence by sentence.
I just hope I don't run into another yo-yo who can't figure out how to ship international!!!

 

[Blöckw@rt]

Very old GEDORE Wrench.

Older no name German wrenches.

 

[cosmik binturong]

Very old GEDORE Wrench.

old or simply quite corroded/pitted/weather-worn?
looks like the logo in a cartouche is not that old, no?

Older no name German wrenches.

nice sturdy-looking old wrenches, a bit on the not so thin side of the spanner world though...


today i visited Breger Frères in Luxembourg(linky: *clicky!*) after picking-up some missing Ko-Ken 3/8" sockets at the train station: wow! a shop full of niceties: from the latest Li-ion power tools to NOS Drehmax screwdrivers, industry and shop tools there's quite a lot of wonderful toys made for doing some pretty serious work!

i did not shoot anything since i forgot to charge my phone: next time!

got a thorough tour of most of the shop in an hour and a half and bought some oldies(pics to follow when charge complete)/ordered some parts for our Makita 6823 drywall screwie. saw some well made Creusen bench grinders and may be picking one next time since they're not that much expensive over quality second-hand ones(btw, Geurt has a thread that i missed about the restoration of his old Creusen there: *clicky!*).

more later!

 

[cosmik binturong]

for those not knowing what to do with their 135 euros "old" Gedore toolboxes: *clicky!*

 

[Alfajuj]

I found a 600-27 on a Netherlands auction site, Marktplaats
http://www.marktplaats.nl/a/doe-het-zelf-en-verbouw/gereedschap-handgereedschap/m666318949-hazet-steek-ringsleutel-no-600-27.html

I asked him if he could ship to Taiwan and true to form, here is his reply (translated from Dutch)

Hello,
I just looked up what to send to Taiwan will cost.
This is € 12.35 but there is no possibility to track and trace, so you can not track the package.
Therefore, I decided not to send to Taiwan.
Sorry.
Henk.


AAAgggggggghhh!!!!

Where do they get these people?

I looked up on the PostNL website (Dutch post office)

All he has to do is send by PostNL international packet WITH tracking. there is the option to send without tracking or with (it costs about 50% more) Is that so hard?

I replied back to him to check this. Hopefully I'll be lucky and he'll be reasonable.
Pray for me!

 

[Roverbo]

I found a 600-27 on a Netherlands auction site, Marktplaats
(....)
This is € 12.35 but there is no possibility to track and trace, so you can not track the package.
Therefore, I decided not to send to Taiwan.
Sorry.
Henk.


AAAgggggggghhh!!!!

Where do they get these people?

I looked up on the PostNL website (Dutch post office)

All he has to do is send by PostNL international packet WITH tracking. there is the option to send without tracking or with (it costs about 50% more) Is that so hard?

I replied back to him to check this. Hopefully I'll be lucky and he'll be reasonable.
Pray for me!

Haha, Alfajuj, I can feel your disappointment...but remember, you´re talking to a european, so guns won´t work...
The dutch post charges are real cheapo, compared to our prices here in Denmark (and the distance is the same). A parcel of max. 1 kg. would be DKK 262,- incl. track & trace! That´s 37 Euro... I would have offered you to forward the wrench, but with these prices, not a great idea...

 

[Alfajuj]

From my experience, guns work on everybody...


But actually you're right. With a European, you don't need a gun, you just tax him to death.

I'll see how he replies... If he replies.

Stand by, I may need to take you up on your offer to forward, Danish postal fees and all.
When it's the last peice in a set, cost is no object!

 

[Roverbo]

(...)
When it's the last peice in a set, cost is no object!

If I could send it as a letter, it would be half the price - but no insurance then...
Just let me know, if you need my service.

 

[Alfajuj]

If I could send it as a letter, it would be half the price - but no insurance then...
Just let me know, if you need my service.

Thanks!!! I'll let you know

 

[Ratchet.]

I found a 600-27 on a Netherlands auction site, Marktplaats
http://www.marktplaats.nl/a/doe-het-zelf-en-verbouw/gereedschap-handgereedschap/m666318949-hazet-steek-ringsleutel-no-600-27.html

I asked him if he could ship to Taiwan and true to form, here is his reply (translated from Dutch)

Hello,
I just looked up what to send to Taiwan will cost.
This is € 12.35 but there is no possibility to track and trace, so you can not track the package.
Therefore, I decided not to send to Taiwan.
Sorry.
Henk.


AAAgggggggghhh!!!!

Where do they get these people?

I looked up on the PostNL website (Dutch post office)

All he has to do is send by PostNL international packet WITH tracking. there is the option to send without tracking or with (it costs about 50% more) Is that so hard?

I replied back to him to check this. Hopefully I'll be lucky and he'll be reasonable.
Pray for me!

Might be worth seeing if you could get it posted to someone in Europe that could forward it to you, though sadly that will mean it costing you more


Coincidentally enough I'm also trying to collect a full set of the older hazet 600's (and I'm now after a set of metric 603's after using one that belongs to a workmate, really nice spanners)

I only have 3 so far though, none of which are 27mm sadly (or i would have offered it to you) 9mm, 22mm and 30mm are the sizes i currently have)

Hazet spanners seem fairly scarce here too, (and often have crazy price tags as people think they are worth silly money due to the vintage VW/Porsche connection) though at least mainland Europeans are more likely to send things to the UK , though not guaranteed

 

[Monte]

Thanks to you i found out that we have a Norbar dealer right here in Athens!
http://pikounistools.gr/shop/

I'm not selling everything.
If I were to sell everything, I'd need my own website

I'm just selling my extras and things which don't fit in my collection.
Sometimes you buy things in lots and you get extras, etc.

for those not knowing what to do with their 135 euros "old" Gedore toolboxes: *clicky!*

cool idea !!
but maybe a ten euro box will work too









USAG pliers
www.usag-tools.com

 

[B0yLer]

Big day today, have been watching this thread for months now,
starting from the beginning to this very last page... Finally reached the latest page

Will post some pics of my tools later, since I'm not at home right now
because of my study.

From my experience, guns work on everybody...


But actually you're right. With a European, you don't need a gun, you just tax him to death.

I'll see how he replies... If he replies.

Stand by, I may need to take you up on your offer to forward, Danish postal fees and all.
When it's the last peice in a set, cost is no object!

I live in The Netherlands, so if you want, I could forward it to you.
Would be my first time to ship something internationally though,
and you would probably pay another 6,50 euros for shipping it to me first.

 

[Alfajuj]

First, I would like to thank everyone for all of their offers of help!

But luckily, the seller seems to be a very reasonable person and I think that it will work out
I'm keeping my fingers crossed. So far, so good!

 

[Blöckw@rt]

New wrenches by Facom.

Very,very nice !!!

 

[bullyboybg]

I think I saw them in ebey.de

 

[Blöckw@rt]

I think I saw them in ebey.de

Right, right

Condition = New !

 

[Miskin]

Coloured ball-point hex keys set. PB SWISS.

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Gedore hammer (French pattern)

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[Starrag]

So many cool tools you have here!
I wanna add some more.
Knipex.

Actually, I'm disappointed in Cobra and Alligator. They have pretty soft teeth. 61 HRC? - no, I don't think so.
Gedore.

Teeth of the pliers have low profile and dull.
Belzer have very comfortable handles.

Victor from Japan.

 

[Rusik]

Today I bought a Bosch 3Ah battery and flashlight

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[lok]

And obvious Garage journal tradition of taking the ratchet apart for regreasing. This ratchet is actually surprisingly light.

How did you do it? How did you open it? Isn't it sealed?

import left - german right:

What about the Knipex? No coo on the tool.

Witte Toplus screwdriver set

I'm pretty sure that these screwdrivers will be my favourites

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Bahco knife:

I want it too.

USAG pliers
www.usag-tools.com

Really? You bought another set of pliers?

Well done man!

New wrenches by Facom.

Nice collection!

So many cool tools you have here!
I wanna add some more.

Very, very nice!
Υou will be very satisfied with the cobras.






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