Tools from the old world

[Monte]

What about the Knipex? No coo on the tool.

china ..? Italy ??

I want it too.

coo Taiwan

Really? You bought another set of pliers?
Well done man!

yup
for 20.- incl. s+h... .... couldn´t resist

wwwwwwwwwwwwooooooowwwwwwwww nice !!!!!!! Belzer + Kukko








Received a care parcel with a bunch of 13mm combination wrenches from Cosmik Binturong !!!
thnaks again
more pics later

 

[north]

How did you do it? How did you open it? Isn't it sealed?
*snip*

Spiral locking ring.

*snip*
Received a care parcel with a bunch of 13mm combination wrenches from Cosmik Binturong !!!
thnaks again
*snip*

Dude, that is awesome. No binturong like a cosmik binturong.

 

[Monte]

What about the Knipex? No coo on the tool.

if you take a look at the Fumasi shears on page 38/39:
http://www.fumasi.it/catalogo/index.html?page=34
they have a similar look but lack the hole in the handle....
There are other similar looking shears ....:
http://www.ecef.eu/products/forbici...o-rivestito-finitura-lucida-manici-in-moplen/
.....but i don´t know if they are actually italian or imported too.... However the imported Erdi/Bessey shears i have work too...

I want it too.

Made in Germany version
http://www.ebay.de/itm/Kirschen-Mul...n_Heimwerker_Handwerkzeug&hash=item27d0548001

Dude, that is awesome. No binturong like a cosmik binturong.

the one and only

 

[Roverbo]

(...)nice sturdy-looking old wrenches, a bit on the not so thin side of the spanner world though... (...)

OK, you call that "thick"? These are from a friend of mine - from his fathers garage. He couldn´t throw them away, so he asked me to take them. Got them together with a lot of other nice tools, but i´ll get back to them later.

Old, german (i guess...but SAE sizes, so...?) thicky stuff:

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One is from Saltus, other wrenches have no marking except the sizes...which again are a bit mysterious - 5/8" isn´t 28 mm - maybe "28" is just a standard for this company?

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I can´t imagine i´ll ever use these, but like them though...

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12 mm thickness on a 17 mm open end....

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And now to something completely different...oiling gear:

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This small oil can is from KABI. Made in Denmark. I keep it filled with ATF oil, my daily "universal oiler"...http://www.kabi.dk
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Brass pump - very nice made.
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This is an old swede - made by "Press och dragdetaljer, Kristdala". All brass.
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I think i did spot one like this on a picture from Monte?
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It´s a german made Pressol Spezial. Tinned plate and plastic pump. Hard to get a glimpse of the pump on this picture...
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Now come on, all you rusty bikechains - i´m ready

Ps. Would really like to say a nice comment to all you contributers here - but it´s truly overwhelming - so many nice tools - Belzer, Facom, Gedore and Victor (a new brand, I must start to look for)...these tools can become an obsession...but keep them coming...

 

[Roverbo]

Made in Germany version
http://www.ebay.de/itm/Kirschen-Mul...n_Heimwerker_Handwerkzeug&hash=item27d0548001

The maybe "original" version from Frosts, Mora - Sweden?:
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Moras version is first a knife, then a chisel...The Kirsch is the opposite with the straight handle, and the ability to use a hammer on the end?
Like all multi-tools they are...sort of half-bad tools to any job

 

[north]

Nice oilers Roverbo. That 5/8" looks like a Whithworth size. 5/8"W = 27.94 mm.

 

[lok]

yup
for 20.- incl. s+h... .... couldn´t resist

For 20 euro? Me neither! Nice find.

wwwwwwwwwwwwooooooowwwwwwwww nice !!!!!!! Belzer + Kukko

I was watching this belzer for 3 years, every day that I was entering in my dealer shop. It was time to get it!

Received a care parcel with a bunch of 13mm combination wrenches from Cosmik Binturong !!!

Your 13mm wrench collection has grew up quite a lot. How many do you have now?

Spiral locking ring.

Thanks north. That was I was thinking about but did not seemed to be a spiral locking. Maybe I should take a closer look. Thanks!

if you take a look at the Fumasi shears on page 38/39:
http://www.fumasi.it/catalogo/index.html?page=34
they have a similar look but lack the hole in the handle....
There are other similar looking shears ....:
http://www.ecef.eu/products/forbici...o-rivestito-finitura-lucida-manici-in-moplen/
.....but i don´t know if they are actually italian or imported too.... However the imported Erdi/Bessey shears i have work too...

Thank monte. Lots of info as always!
I was not very happy from my imported Bessey locking shear with the bending nib. The facom (also imported) is nice thought.

Made in Germany version
http://www.ebay.de/itm/Kirschen-Mul...n_Heimwerker_Handwerkzeug&hash=item27d0548001

This is even nicer!

And now to something completely different...oiling gear:

Nice oilers Roverbo!

 

[Mr MoAiZo]

Re: Bahco adjustable wrench

I'm not 100% sure about that one, but I have the version with the rubber coated handle and it had made in Spain on the packaging (cant remember if the wrench is marked though, will have to look)

I sent an email to Bahco. I am waiting for a reply.

 

[Blöckw@rt]

@Monte....i´m also curious of your 13mm collection !!!!

 

[Miskin]

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Nice find Lok! Some infos? Weight, threading (M6, M8 or M10?), price?
For whιch bearing holes this extractors are?

 

[LeGarage]

How did you do it? How did you open it? Isn't it sealed?

Just remove this clip with a small screwdriver and you can take it apart.

 

[Monte]

The maybe "original" version from Frosts, Mora - Sweden?:

Moras version is first a knife, then a chisel...The Kirsch is the opposite with the straight handle, and the ability to use a hammer on the end?
Like all multi-tools they are...sort of half-bad tools to any job

...and the price is much better too....12.- for the Mora...thats pretty good

I was watching this belzer for 3 years, every day that I was entering in my dealer shop. It was time to get it!

yes after 3 years it was time actually after 3 days it would have been time

Thank monte. Lots of info as always!
I was not very happy from my imported Bessey locking shear with the bending nib. The facom (also imported) is nice thought.

whats a locking shear ?

Your 13mm wrench collection has grew up quite a lot. How many do you have now?

@Monte....i´m also curious of your 13mm collection !!!!

i currently have 49 different brands/types of 13mm combo wrenches







13mm Stanley combo wrench for the collection:

 

[Blöckw@rt]

.i currently have 49 different brands/types of 13mm combo wrenches

Only 49 !?!......

How many wrenches you have total ?

 

[cosmik binturong]

i currently have 49 different brands/types of 13mm combo wrenches

mmmm, no.

actually you do have fifty 13 millimeters combination wrenches:

this Bost has just not made the trip to Hamburg yet...

 

[Roverbo]

Nice oilers Roverbo. That 5/8" looks like a Whithworth size. 5/8"W = 27.94 mm.

North, you´re right! Just took a measure in the garage. Love english cars, but their measurements....just weird

I sent an email to Bahco. I am waiting for a reply.

Very exiting if they will answer. Maybe we should send more mails to these giant "global" companys...

....

Stabila levels and rulers are my favorites...loved that old slogan "Das Mass des dinges". But like the Ritter chocolate, "Qvadratisch, praktisch, gut" they weren´t able to translate into a similar bashing english slogan..."Sets standards"...as blunt as "Chocolate in a square".

...and the price is much better too....12.- for the Mora...thats pretty good

I think it will cost around 8 Euros in Sweden...you´ll find these no-nonsense Moraknives in every farmshop in Sweden...sold on the desk like chocolate, toothpicks and newspapers.
From the few Kirchen tools I own, I would say that they have a better finish though. Could justify the pricedifference...

 

[lok]

Just remove this clip with a small screwdriver and you can take it apart.

Thanks man. I did it.

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yes after 3 years it was time actually after 3 days it would have been time

You are right, but it was a little expensive (for me) and it's not a tool that I use every day. But when I needed it..

Also the price that I get it was very good.


BTW in my dealer shop, I also found out a NOS Belzer set with deep offset wrenches from 6 to 22. Yes made in Germany.
I don't get it.
Yet!
I don't need it.
Or maybe not?

Maybe I fount out a use for them.

And some dowidat sets with open end and combination wrenches.

whats a locking shear ?

Locking scissor? This one.

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The cutting was right but after I had problem with the bolt. Ones it loosened I never can made it work properly again. It used to crinkle everything thin. My brother has the same and he is happy with it. He also has the German made and he is pleased with both.

i currently have 49 different brands/types of 13mm combo wrenches

You definitely need one more!

Nice find Lok! Some infos? Weight, threading (M6, M8 or M10?), price?
For whιch bearing holes this extractors are?

I don't know the weight but the impact should be 700 grams. It is commensurate with the gedore 1.35/1A. The thread is M10.
The extractors are from 14 to 19 and from 18-23. The smaller has a M7 thread and needs adapter. The bigger has a M10 thread.
I never learned the actual price of the hammer. I get it 50 Euros including taxes. The gedore 1.35/1A cost something close to 70 + taxes.


Small screwdrivers.

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[Roverbo]

Small screwdrivers.

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Lok, look at the shafts - not centered at all! Looks like something from long time ago, where "every tool" was locally made - and you could find cheap european tools that were **** like todays chinastuff...What was the price?
On the other hand...looks like a lollipop display, and if the price was right, I would buy the complete card
Me: "I would like the whole card"
Salesman (with german accent): "What would you uze ziis funk-schraubdreiber for?"
Me: "Display in my garage"
Salesman: "No no..zis iz only for ze radioworkz..."

 

[Ratchet.]

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Lok, look at the shafts - not centered at all! Looks like something from long time ago, where "every tool" was locally made - and you could find cheap european tools that were **** like todays chinastuff...What was the price?
On the other hand...looks like a lollipop display, and if the price was right, I would buy the complete card
Me: "I would like the whole card"
Salesman (with german accent): "What would you uze ziis funk-schraubdreiber for?"
Me: "Display in my garage"
Salesman: "No no..zis iz only for ze radioworkz..."

my father had some screwdrivers like that when i was a kid which were w-german made, and for all intents and purposes the quality was pretty dire.

Think i may have one still kicking around, which was formerly a philips screwdriver..... (its now an awl as the end was so soft that it rounded off, then got reground to a point) but yeah, back then not all German made stuff was equal quality


those do look cool though

 

[lok]

Lok, look at the shafts - not centered at all! Looks like something from long time ago, where "every tool" was locally made - and you could find cheap european tools that were **** like todays chinastuff...What was the price?
On the other hand...looks like a lollipop display, and if the price was right, I would buy the complete card
Me: "I would like the whole card"
Salesman (with german accent): "What would you uze ziis funk-schraubdreiber for?"
Me: "Display in my garage"
Salesman: "No no..zis iz only for ze radioworkz..."

They are nice for display in the garage but not only!

They are not only inexpensive but also cheap and they have crapy handle but..
These screwdrivers are very decent because the cost something close to nothing and they are strong enough. I use them, or better abuse them very often. I use them only with wrong way for every job you can imagine (not as a hammer though ).


3 Euro for the card.

 

[lok]

my father had some screwdrivers like that when i was a kid which were w-german made, and for all intents and purposes the quality was pretty dire.

Think i may have one still kicking around, which was formerly a philips screwdriver..... (its now an awl as the end was so soft that it rounded off, then got reground to a point) but yeah, back then not all German made stuff was equal quality


those do look cool though

These are are also made in w-Germany.

Α year, or more, ago I bought these..

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I still have some of them. Τhey took all the hard - dirty work and when they rounded off or break I threw them.

When you don't have the right tool for the job only two thinks can help you. A hammer and (or) a small screwdriver. But as a hammer you can use any tool (except the small screwdriver).

For all intents and purposes I found the quality very descent (for their price).

edit: Also you can use one of them when you don't find your screwdriver or you can lend it to someone who asked for a small screwdriver.

 

[cosmik binturong]

funny that Haier Solar uses old, W-GERMANY marked, BMI levels...
or BMI is subtly ostracizing those poor östies with their markings!

anyway, nice color(and with a chinese logo on it to boot! )!

 

[N.I.]

A few arrivals from the last few weeks:

Makita 1/2 impact wrench



It is a heavy beast and I don't particularly like the dual direction trigger. It does seem to have plenty of power though.

Made in Japan.



I also picked up a tatty, forty year old box for £60.



It is home made and very heavy duty. Folded out of 1mm steel with all the corners welded up. Strong clasps, hinges and handle.

 

[N.I.]

Wow £60 for a box I hear you say, well then some of you may be interested in what was inside-



Yip, a full Gedore 1/2 socket set - AF, Metric and Whitworth sizes.









I have given everything a quick clean. 4 or 5 sockets have some minor chrome chipping in the edges and there is some light rust inside, but considering this set is 40 years old, it really is in excellent condition and shows how well Gedore stuff holds up if looked after.

I love the box and am going to keep this as my new carry set and flog the cheapy set I used to use.
The inside is currently wet with paint (I literally poured it it in), but I will stick up a photo with everything in place in a couple of days time when it drys.

 

[N.I.]

Also picked up a few Palmera, made in Spain, Cir-clip pliers and some West Germany Vise Grips-

 

[upgrading]

I got some Witte nut drivers yesterday.

 

[Blöckw@rt]

 

[lok]

Just wow!!
Nice find man. The ratchet is the old good u2?

I got some Witte nut drivers yesterday.

Ahh.. The more I see witte screwdrivers, the more I want them. And I know the treatment is not to buy some because then will want more.

What a nice collection!!!









Some tools from work..

Crappy photow from my cellphone. Sorry for that.

The big socket wrenches are from gedore and matadore. Both with a lot of use. Cheap screwdrivers, acesa, unior unknown marked w-germany, and gedore.
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The big (although bended) pry bar. Who knows what is this, inside the tire?
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The yellow screwdriver is stanley made in England.
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[Blöckw@rt]

 

[shoturtle]

Question for the European members. I am looking at getting a 4wd drive car/truck. On my short list are the mini countryman Diesel, BMW X1 and the VW tiguan. Any opinions on these 3. Figure they will be my work tools as I work in the mountain area around frankfurt and the 4wd would come in handy in the snow and it will be a tool form the old world. In the US I would just get another jeep. But not a good fuel economy option for Germany.

 

[Mitkoasd]

Question for the European members. I am looking at getting a 4wd drive car/truck. On my short list are the mini countryman Diesel, BMW X1 and the VW tiguan. Any opinions on these 3. Figure they will be my work tools as I work in the mountain area around frankfurt and the 4wd would come in handy in the snow and it will be a tool form the old world. In the US I would just get another jeep. But not a good fuel economy option for Germany.

I think that Lada Niva is your car!

 

[willhollin]

I wouldn't describe any of those as truck type vehicles.

If you want a work vehicle then a T5 4Motion would be a good choice.

 

[Monte]

Only 49 !?!......

How many wrenches you have total ?

yeah i know........ but some more wrenches are on it´s way....i don´t even have Stahlwille 13mm wrenches yet

total ? i don´t know exactly, but the Excel list says i have:

- Belzer: 8 metric deep offset box wrenches
- Beta: 8 metric open end wrenches
- Craftsman: 17 SAE combination wrenches
- Craftsman: 4 SAE line wrenches
- Facom: 17 metric combination wrenches w/ ratcheting open end
- Gedore: 5 metric line wrenches
- Gedore: 10 metric open end wrenches
- Gedore: 12 metric ratcheting wrenches
- Gedore: 16 metric mini open end wrenches
- Hazet: 11 metric open end wrenches
- Hazet: 20 metric combination wrenches
- Hazet: 4 Torx wrenches
- Hazet: 8 metric flat box wrenches
- Stahlwille: 7 metric combination wrenches
- Stahlwille: 7 metric deep offset box wrenches
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= 154 wrenches

+ 49 in the 13mm collection and a open end collection which includes a few other wrenches of 22 pieces and like 2 dozens from the flea market...

mmmm, no.
actually you do have fifty 13 millimeters combination wrenches:

oh yeah sorry forgot about that one
Thnaks in advance

But like the Ritter chocolate, "Qvadratisch, praktisch, gut" they weren´t able to translate into a similar bashing english slogan..."Sets standards"...as blunt as "Chocolate in a square".

quadratically, practically, good whats so difficult ?

I think it will cost around 8 Euros in Sweden...you´ll find these no-nonsense Moraknives in every farmshop in Sweden...sold on the desk like chocolate, toothpicks and newspapers.
From the few Kirchen tools I own, I would say that they have a better finish though. Could justify the price difference...

the "Bauhaus" sells a Mora Knife for 7,95. I think it´s a very reasonable price for what it is and where it´s made.

You are right, but it was a little expensive (for me) and it's not a tool that I use every day. But when I needed it..

Also the price that I get it was very good.

yeah these things are expensive, hence i don´t own one.....always looking for a inside bearing puller too, to remove some bearings from my rear axle....but well...maybe next year

BTW in my dealer shop, I also found out a NOS Belzer set with deep offset wrenches from 6 to 22. Yes made in Germany.
I don't get it.
Yet!
I don't need it.
Or maybe not?

Maybe I fount out a use for them.

And some dowidat sets with open end and combination wrenches.

i would sell my soul for that

Locking scissor? This one.

The cutting was right but after I had problem with the bolt. Ones it loosened I never can made it work properly again. It used to crinkle everything thin. My brother has the same and he is happy with it. He also has the German made and he is pleased with both.

did you try to warranty it...? maybe they exchange them ...?
no problems with mine though....

btw. the scissor collection

You definitely need one more!

it is on it´s way






Pastorino pliers
www.pastorino.it

 

[shoturtle]

I wouldn't describe any of those as truck type vehicles.

If you want a work vehicle then a T5 4Motion would be a good choice.

I am more looking for a 4wd or all wheel drive option for the snow in the mountain areas I work at. Not really need a truck per say.

 

[Monte]

this one (on the right )

 

[shoturtle]

Das ist hässlich

 

[Monte]

Das ist hässlich

you´re right


then take one of these:

 

[shoturtle]

Lol, zu große. Deutschlandstraßen sind zu klein für große autos.

 

[cosmik binturong]

I am more looking for a 4wd or all wheel drive option for the snow in the mountain areas I work at. Not really need a truck per say.

why not get a Subaru Legacy SW/Outback or even a Forester?

still "Old Worldish" and way better and practical than that Clubmonster...

 

[shoturtle]

Forester is the lesbo mobile and it is pretty ugly. The legacy is nice. But not to many suburu dealer around me. So pricing and comparing different dealerships are hearder. Honda and toyota and nissan are more comman japanese options.

 

[Nocturnal-G]

Forester is the lesbo mobile and it is pretty ugly. The legacy is nice. But not to many suburu dealer around me. So pricing and comparing different dealerships are hearder. Honda and toyota and nissan are more comman japanese options.

Mercedes GLK250 CDI 4matic...

500 Nm of torque? From a 4 cylinder turbo?

35 MPG?