Tools from the old world

[LeGarage]

 

[upgrading]

Found this while looking in a miscellaneous box for some wire.
I don't know when I bought it or how much it was at the time.

 

[Mr Cool]

Just received my Hazet 190L from Germany. I really like it, but I will either return it or sell it . After waiting patiently for it, it arrived with a few dents and chips on the box...I am so disappointed that these boxes aren't properly packed in order to accommodate the amount of times they probably get dropped or pushed around while in transit. The toolbox came in a thin and weak cardboard box. Anyway sorry for the low resolution pics as I don't currently own a camera and had to resort to using a webcam.

 

[GT Junior]

Hey guys, long time lurker here. Have been reading this topic for years and I figured this would be the place to ask.

Does anyone know the COO of the Bosch Blau GSS 23AE sander?

I've been getting evasive answers from the retailers I asked. One of them claimed Bosch couldn't tell them either. Seems like no one wants to tell me the thing is made in Malaysia. Any comparable sanders that are hergestellt in Deutschland/der Schweiz other than Festool?

 

[svranjic]

Hey guys, long time lurker here. Have been reading this topic for years and I figured this would be the place to ask.

Does anyone know the COO of the Bosch Blau GSS 23AE sander?

I've been getting evasive answers from the retailers I asked. One of them claimed Bosch couldn't tell them either. Seems like no one wants to tell me the thing is made in Malaysia. Any comparable sanders that are hergestellt in Deutschland/der Schweiz other than Festool?

I have the Bosch GSS 230 AE and its made in Switzerland. I bought it last November and has been a great sander.

 

[GT Junior]

I have the Bosch GSS 230 AE and its made in Switzerland. I bought it last November and has been a great sander.

Thanks. Now knowing where it's made I'm getting one.

 

[svranjic]

A tool shop near me has a large range of Bosch tools on display and I have noticed more of the Bosch blue range now being made in Malaysia. I've not noticed a change in quality visually looking at the products however the proof will be in their durability which older Made in Germany equivelants are known to keep going and going.

Be great to hear other peoples experience with Bosch products made in Malaysia.

 

[neophyte]

Bosch has been manufacturing some of their tool lines in Malaysia for decades. The first items I saw that came out of Malaysia were their digital protractors/levels, and maybe their stud finders. I later saw that some of their lower cost tools were also coming out of Malaysia. When a tool line gets old, or is no longer the top model Bosch seems to be more likely to ship it oversees. The older Bosch jigsaw design was shipped oversees before the newer swiss made model came out. The power hand planers were, or still are manufactured in Malaysia. Some of the 12v cordless tools are as well.

 

[Monte]

don't buy that one! it's too expensive! (*wink!* *wink!* )

I would gladly pay 100.- for one

yeah, way more expensive than those so cheap germans, eh!

yeah look at PB Swiss

Doesn't that chuck and attachment remind you of Festool?

It looks like the one on their drills.

yeah when I first saw that tool I thought Festool/Protool !

....or Metabo....

Hey guys, long time lurker here. Have been reading this topic for years and I figured this would be the place to ask.

Does anyone know the COO of the Bosch Blau GSS 23AE sander?

I've been getting evasive answers from the retailers I asked. One of them claimed Bosch couldn't tell them either. Seems like no one wants to tell me the thing is made in Malaysia. Any comparable sanders that are hergestellt in Deutschland/der Schweiz other than Festool?

The GSS 23 is NOT from Switzerland.... The GSS 230 are made in Switzerland
http://www.bosch-professional.com/de/de/schwingschleifer-101287-ocs-c/

The larger Metabo sanders are still made in Germany

or you could look out for a discontinued Kress sander made here: (about €130.-)

Mafell is made in DE too but cost more than Festo....

you also could check out Rupes from Italy or higher end sanders from Makita which are still made in Japan.... iirc the Hilti´s are from Europe too

A tool shop near me has a large range of Bosch tools on display and I have noticed more of the Bosch blue range now being made in Malaysia. I've not noticed a change in quality visually looking at the products however the proof will be in their durability which older Made in Germany equivelants are known to keep going and going.

Be great to hear other peoples experience with Bosch products made in Malaysia.

the coo also has something to do with the price.....

 

[GT Junior]

Thanks Monte. I looked at those Metabos too but deemed them too heavy for what I need them for – vertical and overhead surfaces.

The point is moot now. I already ordered the 23AE.

 

[cosmik binturong]

"Wisent" rust scraper

did you try it on some, say, heavily rusted plate?
how thick is the blade and does it bend?
(i'm about to order a couple Super Scrapers from Carbide Processors since it looks like they're quite efficient and durable for that use but, for whatever reason, haven't clicked the *buy me!* button yet... )

test video will be heartily welcomed!

nice, why did you get the blackish ones and not the chrome version?

got a couple of sturdy, french-made, Caillau Clic-R pliers:

only need one but hey, free pliers!

Found this while looking in a miscellaneous box for some wire.
I don't know when I bought it or how much it was at the time.

exactly what i'm looking for! that or more replacement fingers...

I would gladly pay 100.- for one

nah, didn't Martor gave you some goodies for your job as Tool Ministry of Germany?
(mademoiselle m. says: "stay near your letterbox!" )

yeah look at PB Swiss

as long as you buy them from amazon.com or like Garant's violet/orange colour combination they're quite cheap, don't you think so?

the coo also has something to do with the price.....

if it's swiss-made, yes!

 

[cosmik binturong]

Stahlwille 10615/1
http://www.stahlwille-online.de/ind...hid=&scmd=pdetail&pcid=7188&cid=7666&pid=7674

hey! looky there:

cousins!

Monte should know who's makin' 'em for all the german brands...

 

[cosmik binturong]

What's the difference? The front hole?

nope, the little protuding pin is there for centering the punch on the pin hole (oops... not sure that sentence makes any sense... ), anyway, clearer explanations here at Nevadashooters.com.

*clicky!*

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[superautobacs]

Hi!
Got some new Japanese tools.



Hammers PX brand - donno anything about it:

"PX" is the series. "O.H. Industrial" is the brand.

According to their literature, the faces are hardened to HRC 44-50 on the blunt side and HRC 35-55 on the pein side.



Cosmik,

I have one roll pin punch (1/4" i think), and it's THE tool to have when dealing with stubborn spring pins. Place the punch in position, which is easy, thanks to that ******, then whack that *itch. It's much less frustrating than operating a standard parallel pin punch for the same task.

 

[cosmik binturong]

Cosmik,

I have one roll pin punch (1/4" i think), and it's THE tool to have when dealing with stubborn spring pins. Place the punch in position, which is easy, thanks to that ******, then whack that *itch. It's much less frustrating than operating a standard parallel pin punch for the same task.

indeed!


latest arrival, Beta 1102 "lookin' like a made in Japan" small cutter:

works great!

 

[superautobacs]

It must be made in Japan! Nice score!

Product of "3 Peaks"

 

[BBD]

Monte, any experience with this?

http://www.einhell.com/com_de/shop/4862/4891/4919/tool-and-gear-waggon-bt-tw-150.html

 

[willhollin]

Monte, any experience with this?

http://www.einhell.com/com_de/shop/4862/4891/4919/tool-and-gear-waggon-bt-tw-150.html

Looks very similar to the Sentri Box one I have. (Which is almost new and for sale. )

The quality is OK, it has a matt finish to it, weighs about 75kg.

Looks to be of far eastern origin.

 

[BBD]

If you still have the Usag spanners, I might be interested

The Einhell is pretty cheap (~£200) and resembles to the one that Beta makes.

 

[willhollin]

If you still have the Usag spanners, I might be interested

The Einhell is pretty cheap (~£200) and resembles to the one that Beta makes.

The USAG spanners ended up in West Virginia USA! I should update the ad sorry.

Yeh £200 sounds about right, the Sentri Box branded ones come with a 5 year warranty, not sure about the Einhell.

 

[cosmik binturong]

It must be made in Japan! Nice score!

Product of "3 Peaks"

yeah, another ten euros bargain!

too bad Beta doesn't put CoO on tools anymore, can't understand why they're now ashamed of their "made in Italy" or the "made in Japan" of their quality tools like the Ko-Ken sockets...

 

[Roverbo]

German made 4 speed models in 14,4 and 18 Volt with brushless motor and up to 90NM and 2 AH or 4 AH will be available as well as cheaper 2 speed models and impact wrenches with 1/4" ( 158NM) or 1/2" dr. (250 NM) which are supposed to be made together with TTI....The 4 speed models will be available with /without removeable chuck (like Festool and Metabo) and the 2 speed models will be also available as percussion drill. Prices start at 259,- + tax

http://www.werkzeug-news.de/akkuwerkzeuge/13/fein-akkuschrauber-1126.html

The included box looks just like the black box supplied with my "Orange" AEG corded jigsaw.... But that´s from TTI too, so no wonder...
Maybe Fein has the same problem as small car manufacturers: Developing costs are simply too high, and makes it impossible to offer a complete, in-house made range. Saab cars had the problem, and their cars became more and more Opel´s (GM) with a different shell and a higher price. History now...
Volvo cars faces the same problem, with the recent merger from Geely (China). They can´t depend on components from the Ford group, and has to develop most platforms and components in-house (the Ford and PSA motors are to be phased out over the next year).
I guess that the markets demand for new products is partly to blame. 10-20 years ago, you could sell the same, unchanged qualityproduct for many years. Today, you must present breaking news at every fair.

 

[nowlan]

dont see anything about fein on http://www.ttigroup.com/en/our_brands/.

ive only seen fein multimaster here in Aus.
Now with patent expired? every man and his dog are bringing out cheaper models.

Im still puzzled about Fein being german, sounds irish to me.

 

[Miskin]

nope, the little protuding pin is there for centering the punch on the pin hole (oops... not sure that sentence makes any sense...

Lok punches is from bronze. Not recomended for pin punches.

 

[Roverbo]

dont see anything about fein on http://www.ttigroup.com/en/our_brands/.

ive only seen fein multimaster here in Aus.
Now with patent expired? every man and his dog are bringing out cheaper models.

Im still puzzled about Fein being german, sounds irish to me.

Like "Sein Fein" you mean? "Fein" means "Fine"...
I don´t think (and hope) that Fein is connected to TTI in any other way than described; TTI will produce the smaller units in the new series. These will also be sold under TTIs Milwaukee brand. Some Milwaukee stuff has been sold as AEG in Europe (and the other way around, like the AEG Ergo-tec corded drill), but since Fein is a well known "Top tier brand", not so likely...

 

[Blöckw@rt]

dont see anything about fein on http://www.ttigroup.com/en/our_brands/.

Milwaukee only produces the models ASCM 18/ASCM 18 C/ASCM 14/ASCM 14 C/ ABS 18/ABS 18 C/ABS 14/ABS 14 C, but Fein is not a member of the TTI group.

Im still puzzled about Fein being german, sounds irish to me.

Fein ......means and is pronounced in english 'fine'

 

[cosmik binturong]

Lok punches is from bronze. Not recommended for pin punches.

they're quite nice anyway.

 

[Jure]

other bauhause's around the europe still got some wiha in stock?? my local bauhause swaped all wiha's with wera...

 

[Monte]

did you try it on some, say, heavily rusted plate?
how thick is the blade and does it bend?

I only tried it on a lightly rusted U-beam. It worked. If the rust is on the surface at least. If it´s deeper you need a wire wheel...
the blade is short and stiff....1,5mm thick....difficult to bend....if...I buy a new one at 1.90€ per piece it´s affordable

(i'm about to order a couple Super Scrapers from Carbide Processors since it looks like they're quite efficient and durable for that use but, for whatever reason, haven't clicked the *buy me!* button yet... )

test video will be heartily welcomed!

They make some carbide scrapers here too:
http://www.hoffmann-tools.com/Handw...33f92ceacdd464f403327b39af121a31#.UdXRLL7wD4g
also available with soldered carbide blade. From Rennsteig for example. (and cheaper)
http://www.rennsteig.com/en/products/tools/striking-tools/scrapers/380-hard-metal-flat-scrapers.html

nah, didn't Martor gave you some goodies for your job as Tool Ministry of Germany?
(mademoiselle m. says: "stay near your letterbox!" )

I wish.....
Did I say I would gladly pay 100.- ?? I mean 10.-
Monopoly money

as long as you buy them from amazon.com or like Garant's violet/orange colour combination they're quite cheap, don't you think so?

The "Holex" Wiha´s are even cheaper

if it's swiss-made, yes!

Monte, any experience with this?

http://www.einhell.com/com_de/shop/4862/4891/4919/tool-and-gear-waggon-bt-tw-150.html

sorry no. You see their blue and red power tools here in stores, but never saw their box...

The included box looks just like the black box supplied with my "Orange" AEG corded jigsaw.... But that´s from TTI too, so no wonder...
Maybe Fein has the same problem as small car manufacturers: Developing costs are simply too high, and makes it impossible to offer a complete, in-house made range. Saab cars had the problem, and their cars became more and more Opel´s (GM) with a different shell and a higher price. History now...
Volvo cars faces the same problem, with the recent merger from Geely (China). They can´t depend on components from the Ford group, and has to develop most platforms and components in-house (the Ford and PSA motors are to be phased out over the next year).
I guess that the markets demand for new products is partly to blame. 10-20 years ago, you could sell the same, unchanged qualityproduct for many years. Today, you must present breaking news at every fair.

afaik the Fein boxes are developed/made by Fein. The AEG/Atlas Copco boxes are "Licensed by TTS" ...because they use one or more patents from Festool/Tanos it seems.
I think you´re right..... mostly it´s the price factor, the customer wants to spend only a certain amount for a product and in case of standard cordless drills it´s not so much it seems... not everybody needs/wants a 4-speed or extra fancy tool though.... So Bosch, Makita etc. set the standards in price and the others "must" follow. In case of Fein maybe they shouldn´t....but the market demands it...so at least they don´t waste money in developing a product which don´t sell at high prices where they can´t earn money and rather focusing on higher end tools with exclusive features/quality where the customer pays more so you can produce here and get back your R+D money (...which is about 1 to 3 million € per tool depending on who you ask...)..... makes sense somehow... They do have a "full" line of cordless tools made by Fein like the cordless drills, now the new cordless driver, drywall gun, Multimaster, nibbler, super cut, superwire.... more to come I guess....since cordless will soon fill 50% of the power tool market ...

dont see anything about fein on http://www.ttigroup.com/en/our_brands/.

luckily

other bauhause's around the europe still got some wiha in stock?? my local bauhause swaped all wiha's with wera...

all Wera here too....









got me a NOS "Rahsol" 1/2" dr. bit socket set:

 

[Monte]

Don´t need a cordless drill ??? Sure ???

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[Nocturnal-G]

Don´t need a cordless drill ??? Sure ???

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That was badass...

 

[Monte]

cordless drills are quite versatile

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[cosmik binturong]

I only tried it on a lightly rusted U-beam. It worked. If the rust is on the surface at least. If it´s deeper you need a wire wheel...
the blade is short and stiff....1,5mm thick....difficult to bend....if...I buy a new one at 1.90€ per piece it´s affordable

gotta get some then, from over the border, to try before splurging for the Johnson Mfg carbide ones...

They make some carbide scrapers here too:
http://www.hoffmann-tools.com/Handw...33f92ceacdd464f403327b39af121a31#.UdXRLL7wD4g
also available with soldered carbide blade. From Rennsteig for example. (and cheaper)
http://www.rennsteig.com/en/products/tools/striking-tools/scrapers/380-hard-metal-flat-scrapers.html


too long, weighty and expensive!

I wish.....
Did I say I would gladly pay 100.- ?? I mean 10.-

she mumbled something about unaccounted for gummistiefel forwarding

Monopoly money

methinks she'll be OK with Monopoly banknotes!

The "Holex" Wiha´s are even cheaper

but not very swiss...

 

[neophyte]

German made 4 speed models in 14,4 and 18 Volt with brushless motor and up to 90NM and 2 AH or 4 AH will be available as well as cheaper 2 speed models and impact wrenches with 1/4" ( 158NM) or 1/2" dr. (250 NM) which are supposed to be made together with TTI....The 4 speed models will be available with /without removeable chuck (like Festool and Metabo) and the 2 speed models will be also available as percussion drill. Prices start at 259,- + tax

http://www.werkzeug-news.de/akkuwerkzeuge/13/fein-akkuschrauber-1126.html

Is TTI supplying Fein with the batteries and chargers used in all their Lithium tools or at least a number of the components?

 

[Blöckw@rt]

An oddity….

An old BOSCH impact drill from the early 1970s with a blue and green housing shell.

 

[BBD]

Where can I find some Belzer polynovas ? I only have one but fell in love with them.

 

[gagreen]

My euro screwdriver fetish continues... Got these Witte Maxxpro Natures today. I didn't expect the handles to be as tough as they are.

 

[Trucky]

Green, could you describe the finish a bit more? I know I love the appeal of the Witte drivers but I'm not sure if I'm going to take the dive just yet.

 

[gagreen]

Green, could you describe the finish a bit more? I know I love the appeal of the Witte drivers but I'm not sure if I'm going to take the dive just yet.

These have a rubberized finish with cork grips. The cork seems to have the same type of a coating. They clean easy and grip even when oily. Idk what to compare them to. The other wittes have a microfiber type of material for the grips where the cork is on the natures that I have. I like really really like the cork grips, but I'll have to see how they wear over the next few months at work. Hope that helps

 

[Monte]

gotta get some then, from over the border, to try before splurging for the Johnson Mfg carbide ones...

how soon do you need one ??

too long, weighty and expensive!

yeah I wonder why they don´t make a short one like the one from the US....

she mumbled something about unaccounted for gummistiefel forwarding

methinks she'll be OK with Monopoly banknotes!

or I pay with Wisent scrapers

but not very swiss...

but german = even better

Is TTI supplying Fein with the batteries and chargers used in all their Lithium tools or at least a number of the components?

I don´t know how far the cooperation between TTI and Fein goes. Maybe TTI supply the battery packs and chargers, maybe Fein assembles the battery packs themselves...or a third party ? The press release says that the battery packs come with a "SafetyCell Technology" developed by Fein so maybe they supply the electronics, TTI the tool itself, let´s say Panasonic the cells and then the pack is assembled by a specialized company like BMZ ? I dunno ......Maybe i´ll find out more as soon the tools are out....

An oddity….

An old BOSCH impact drill from the early 1970s with a blue and green housing shell.

the middle line between Bosch Green and Bosch Blue ?

Where can I find some Belzer polynovas ? I only have one but fell in love with them.

ebay.de
http://www.ebay.de/sch/i.html?_trks....TRS0&_nkw=Belzer+Polynova&_sacat=0&_from=R40








My new not so new cantilever tool box from Gedore: