Tools from the old world

[Blöckw@rt]

Did you ever try one of the Porter Cable (Flex, Metabo, Kress) saws or the german Flex saw ?

Yep, the DeWalt D311k (Porter Cable) Rems and also the older Bosch GSA 1100 PE (made by Roller/Rems…I think so?)

The Makita has less vibrations and more power than the "PC" ones and for the price the Makita is definitely the better choice.
The Rems/Roller saws are typical machines for my profession with no gimmicks, very robust, light and with a nice metal case.

If you want a strong machine for the "big Jobs" … the top models from Makita, Milwaukee & Hilti,the"PC's" are good allrounders too, and the Rems/Roller for the metal jobs (and other stories).

In my assessment.

 

[cosmik binturong]

here´s a german made one from Pferd

you mean "indian made", don't you?

thanks for the insight ! Big box store brands are unacceptable anyway

i like them "Lux" tools though...

€80.- with 20 blades sounds good (and made in germany too ). But since other things like an 18 volt drill and a slow speed die grinder are more important right now i can sleep on it for a while...

it was, of course, well used but nothing that a good cleaning/dusting/greasing of some internal organs couldn't mend.
slow speed? like in "variable speed" or only slow?

they have tool shops in .lu ?

sure is: Breger Frères and next time i'm going to knock on Ko-ken Europe
headquarter's door too!

these tools have a M14 spindle so which type of adapter for the monti-wheel do you have ? i guess something could be fabricated...
btw.: pics

they're coming!

Did you ever try one of the Porter Cable (Flex, Metabo, Kress) saws or the german Flex saw ?

nope, don't tempt me with another Flex tool, ok!

pics

they're coming!

 

[mr_jack]

i don´t know how common this brand is in the UK:
http://sparky.eu/powertools/drills-and-impact-drills/2-speed-impact-drills.html
(Made in EU)

Not entirely correct. Sparky is registered in Germany, but only the D-handle drills are made in Bulgaria. Everything else is made in PRC an assembled in Lovech, Bulgaria.

 

[Dave455]

I only own a Fein Aske 636, a predecessor of the current BOP pistol grip drills and it has a good Rohm drill press type chuck (taper, no thread/screw on), a thick "plastic" housing which is reinforced with a aluminium frame (!) and overall a good quality unit.....some say they´re the best.....

Unfortunately Fein doesn´t make percussion drills anymore so if you need one....

i found this one:
http://www.milwaukeetool.co.uk/tools/corded/drilling-fixing/diamond-drilling/drills/dd-2-160-xe-(2)/

If you don´t need the percussion mode there are other options:
next to Fein .....
http://www.fein-uk.co.uk/en_uk/drilling/rotary-drills/

you have more choices...:
for example this Eibenstock with 1100 Watt:
http://eibenstock.com/index_engl.asp?katid=21&bodystart=1&seite=21100002

or Metabo:
http://metabo.co.uk/Product-catalogue-Metabo-Metal-hand-held-power-tools.33614+M56cb155d5f3.0.html

or Baier: high(est) quality from Germany:
http://www.baier-tools.com/baier_produkte_bohren_liste.php?cPath=21_28&language=en

i don´t know how common this brand is in the UK:
http://sparky.eu/powertools/drills-and-impact-drills/2-speed-impact-drills.html
(Made in EU)

or this:
http://www.perles.com/default-76,897.html?Zav=3
(Made in EU)

Bosch doesn´t seem to offer their D-handle drill in the UK.....
http://www.bosch-professional.com/de/de/gbm-16-2-re-5748-ocs-p/

as well as AEG, at least i can´t find it....
http://www.aeg-powertools.de/produc...en/diamantbohrmaschinen/db-1500-2-e-db1500-2e

Dewalt don´t offer anything similar.

Many choices.....

:

Thanks for your time and advice Monte - greatly appreciated! I really like the look of the Fein, and you have just about confirmed my thinking that the Fein is about the best!

Here in the U.K there seems to be a huge range available, including some seriously hefty models, but as you say without percussion!

I'll think I'll probably go for one of these anyway!

 

[billhinge]

Here are some of my Fein tools plus a couple of others. The Fein jigsaw replaces this horrid Swiss Bosch jigsaw, always hated the blade change on it an much prefer the allen key on the Fein, how hard can it be to tighten a screw?

 

[cosmik binturong]

Monte, the Monti wheels are the same as yours(including price!) except for french Aldi packaging:

there was a nice girl working in one of the Aldi store that took the time to check if they were available and, i don't know how she did it but, she got me two of each from another store!

as for the grinder, well, it was sitting without collet on a shelf and i kind of took pity, asked if the price was definitive since the GGS 8 is available now and since it was collet-less and, lo and behold! as soon as i asked, they reduced the price just a little bit to 90.00€ out the door...

methinks i should have bargained more aggressively since at this price that's one expensive, unusable, paperweight, err, grinder until i get the collets... and no warranty card in the cardboard box!

there' still one good news, it has variable speed:

gotta replace all those horrendous slotted screws with black Torx before using it though...

 

[Dave455]

Here are some of my Fein tools plus a couple of others. The Fein jigsaw replaces this horrid Swiss Bosch jigsaw, always hated the blade change on it an much prefer the allen key on the Fein, how hard can it be to tighten a screw?

Hmm!

Looks like another vote for Fein then!

I didn't realise, till I researched it, quite what a range of tools Fein make!

I Used a Fein polisher the other month and was seriously impressed, the owner is in the valeting game and uses it fairly heavily, without issues!

Not a bad price on the Bosch grinder! All of mine are air tools, but that doesn't work away from base!

 

[cosmik binturong]

i too like my little Fein ASKeu 636, like, who cannot like a ten euros little orange drill, eh?


more seriously, i did put around 1300 5mm countersunk screw holes with it in two days and in pinewood -not *that* Pinewood- without getting tired or having the hand go numb, then used the equally well priced used Makita 6823 to put them screws into them pine holes!


a real pleasure to use those two...

 

[billhinge]

Hmm!

Looks like another vote for Fein then!

I didn't realise, till I researched it, quite what a range of tools Fein make!

I Used a Fein polisher the other month and was seriously impressed, the owner is in the valeting game and uses it fairly heavily, without issues!

Not a bad price on the Bosch grinder! All of mine are air tools, but that doesn't work away from base!

Hi Dave

I loved the Fein brand from when I was doing lots of sanding in my house and I got the multi master and a Fein Dustex (it was at the back of the shed so I didn't pull it out to take its picture). (also got a Makita belt sander, Makita Orbital sander and a Metabo RO sander)

The BOP 13-2 is a cracking drill, oozes quality and with good drill bits and the ASTE is a million times better than the green Bosch. I needed to butcher some wood today and I didn't have any proper wood jigsaw blades so had to use non wood blades, still worked OK. It was novel to be able to cut along a line so looking forward to the arrival of some Bosch Extra Clean and Starrett dual cut blades on Monday, or maybe tomorrow if the postman brings them

One thing I noticed is that if you shop around you can get some good deals on Fein, especially the BOP 13-2 with case (I got mine for £290 inc VAT which was the same price as the BOP 10-2)

 

[Dave455]

Thanks!

Looks like I'm Fein shopping next week!

More money that Garage Journal has cost me!

 

[Monte]

Yep, the DeWalt D311k (Porter Cable) Rems and also the older Bosch GSA 1100 PE (made by Roller/Rems…I think so?)

The Makita has less vibrations and more power than the "PC" ones and for the price the Makita is definitely the better choice.
The Rems/Roller saws are typical machines for my profession with no gimmicks, very robust, light and with a nice metal case.

If you want a strong machine for the "big Jobs" … the top models from Makita, Milwaukee & Hilti,the"PC's" are good allrounders too, and the Rems/Roller for the metal jobs (and other stories).

In my assessment.

thx for the info ! i only need to cut some wood where the jig saw don´t work and occassionally maybe some smaller steel pipes etc. The Roller looks/feels best so far because it´s light and the gearcase isn´t so big. The Rems looks too much like a Dewalt so no thanks
the older Bosch (as well as Metabo + Fein) were made by Flex:
http://www.flex-tools.com/de/Produkte/Sagen/SK_602_VV/index.php
http://www.flex-tools.com/de/Produkte/Sagen/SR_602_VV/index.php

you mean "indian made", don't you?

if you look closely at the pic i posted then you see what i mean

i like them "Lux" tools though...

some hand tools are ok....Lux power tools no thanks

it was, of course, well used but nothing that a good cleaning/dusting/greasing of some internal organs couldn't mend.
slow speed? like in "variable speed" or only slow?

slow variable speed
i like this one: (not the design though, but the features)
http://www.metabo.fr/Catalogue-de-p...l-pour-outils-elect.34105+M507399f27cc.0.html

sure is: Breger Frères and next time i'm going to knock on Ko-ken Europe
headquarter's door too!

some pics of you knocking on ko-kens door would be nice

they're coming!

ok

nope, don't tempt me with another Flex tool, ok!

mmmmmmmmmhhh nice www.flex-tools.com

they're coming!

ok
thanks

Not entirely correct. Sparky is registered in Germany, but only the D-handle drills are made in Bulgaria. Everything else is made in PRC an assembled in Lovech, Bulgaria.

it seems they produce a bit more in Bulgaria ?:
http://sparky.eu/en/media/videos/watch.html?id=157
at least the people in the video seem to be of european origin...

Thanks for your time and advice Monte - greatly appreciated! I really like the look of the Fein, and you have just about confirmed my thinking that the Fein is about the best!

Here in the U.K there seems to be a huge range available, including some seriously hefty models, but as you say without percussion!

I'll think I'll probably go for one of these anyway!

The good thing about Fein is they don´t make any tools for the DIY user or try to market their tools to the homeowner like other professional brands with lower prices and less professional built tools - except the Multimaster - but even if the Multimaster is advertised at the DIY user too it´s still of higher quality than other so-called "professional" multi-tools which you can see in online/offline tool tests where the Fein Multimaster always wins....So the Fein brand name is more trustworthy. Another good thing for the customer is that Fein don´t change the tools about every 5 years like other brands, for example the current D-handle drills are around at least since 1980.... and the jig saw for example, orbital sander, die grinder etc. are also virtually in their line up since ever....So the spare parts situation is good and will be good in the future too. Other companies guarantee to have spare parts in stock for discontinued tools for 7 or 8 years
so if you add the time the tool is built like 5 years plus the 8 years spare parts availability you have a maximum lifetime of 13 years. However with a Fein tool built since 10 or 20 years plus the 8 years spare parts guarantee there is a much greater chance that you´ll find a rotor or switch 20 years later at your Fein service/repair shop than with other brands.

Here are some of my Fein tools plus a couple of others. The Fein jigsaw replaces this horrid Swiss Bosch jigsaw, always hated the blade change on it an much prefer the allen key on the Fein, how hard can it be to tighten a screw?

nice tools ! Do you have some more close up pics of your Fein tools ?

Monte, the Monti wheels are the same as yours(including price!) except for french Aldi packaging:

sweet !!

there was a nice girl working in one of the Aldi store that took the time to check if they were available and, i don't know how she did it but she got me two of each from another store!

good service !!

as for the grinder, well, it was sitting without collet on a shelf and i kind of took pity, asked if the price was definitive since the GGS 8 is available now and since it was collet-less and, lo and behold! as soon as i asked, they reduced the price just a little bit to 90.00€ out the door...

90.- ?? you **** !!

methinks i should have bargained more aggressively since at this price that's one expensive, unusable, paperweight, err, grinder until i get the collets... and no warranty card in the cardboard box!

send it to me !! you have my adress !!

the "nut" costs 4,65 and the 6mm collet between 10,60 and 18.- depending on which exact tool you have......

there' still one good news, it has variable speed:

...must have....

gotta replace all those horrendous slotted screws with black Torx before using it though...

lol...yup important !!!! lol








btw. Fein:
anatomy of a Fein angle grinder:

 

[Monte]

Braun 5030 hair removal tool

 

[cosmik binturong]

some hand tools are ok....Lux power tools no thanks

they do "make" power tools?

i like this one: (not the design though, but the features)
http://www.metabo.fr/Catalogue-de-p...l-pour-outils-elect.34105+M507399f27cc.0.html

looks nice with that grip... too bad that the price is not the same as a Bosch, eh!.

some pics of you knocking on ko-kens door would be nice

maybe...

mmmmmmmmmhhh nice www.flex-tools.com

oh shiny!
hey! don't do that again!

The good thing about Fein is they don´t make any tools for the DIY user or try to market their tools to the homeowner like other professional brands with lower prices and less professional built tools - except the Multimaster - but even if the Multimaster is advertised at the DIY user too it´s still of higher quality than other so-called "professional" multi-tools which you can see in online/offline tool tests where the Fein Multimaster always wins....So the Fein brand name is more trustworthy. Another good thing for the customer is that Fein don´t change the tools about every 5 years like other brands, for example the current D-handle drills are around at least since 1980.... and the jig saw for example, orbital sander, die grinder etc. are also virtually in their line up since ever....So the spare parts situation is good and will be good in the future too. Other companies guarantee to have spare parts in stock for discontinued tools for 7 or 8 years
so if you add the time the tool is built like 5 years plus the 8 years spare parts availability you have a maximum lifetime of 13 years. However with a Fein tool built since 10 or 20 years plus the 8 years spare parts guarantee there is a much greater chance that you´ll find a rotor or switch 20 years later at your Fein service/repair shop than with other brands.

speaking of Fein's Multimaster, do you know if there's a difference between their "classic" oscillating tools and those marketed toward windshield replacement duty like this one? more precisely, except for the ergonomics of the handle, what are the key differences between the two lines?

good service !!

yes, usually they just say no to whatever is the question.

90.- ?? you **** !!

send it to me !! you have my adress !!

nah, it's incomplete, i can't send you a not usable tool, that would be too burdensome for you...
beside, miss m. just said we only send stuff to Paypal verified addresses now!

the "nut" costs 4,65 and the 6mm collet between 10,60 and 18.- depending on which exact tool you have......

you can't even begin to fathom how bad i feel when a powertool costs me more than 100.00€ in running mode...

lol...yup important !!!! lol

very important it is.

i don't like those slotted screws and i have more Torx drivers than slotted or, non-〄, cross-tipped ones. maybe i'll go for some black T27 stainless screws, got exactly the right driver for that...

[IMAGINE A PICTURE OF A WERA STAINLESS T27 SCREWIE HERE ]

 

[Blöckw@rt]

A nice, small & robust cantilever tool box.

Anybody knows the symbol/brand ?

 

[Monte]

you mean "indian made", don't you?

i just checked out both chain sharpening files from Pferd at the Hornbach store and both packages state "made in Germany" so i disassembled the files and the flat file don´t have any markings at all, the round files had a "Pferd" logo and "Germany" printed on them.

looks more "toothing-engineered" than the older ones...

yes

they do "make" power tools?

yes in germany highest quality

looks nice with that grip... too bad that the price is not the same as a Bosch, eh!.

maybe i can find one without collet for 80.-

oh shiny!
hey! don't do that again!

ok click

speaking of Fein's Multimaster, do you know if there's a difference between their "classic" oscillating tools and those marketed toward windshield replacement duty like this one? more precisely, except for the ergonomics of the handle, what are the key differences between the two lines?

the Fein Multimaster has a 250 watt motor and a oscillating angle of 1.6 degree whereas the SuperCut has a 400 watt motor with constant electronics a oscillating angle of 1.6 degree (FSC 1.6) or 2.0 degree (FSC 2.0). The Multimaster has a "star" shaped flange for the blades while the supercut has a hex flange (blades have a 12 point flange). There is an adapter for the super cut to use multimaster accessoires but not vice versa (to prevent misuse). The supercut - developed for the car body/car glass industry - also has a bigger "swing arm" and heavy duty components compared to the multimaster (see pic) and i read that the Supercut has a oil bath geartrain, the Multimaster probably only a grease lubricated one so the Supercut will be better if you work overhead etc. Fein claims up to 350% faster speed for the supercut in sawing wood with the wide E-cut blades compared to the Multimaster. So overall the SuperCut is the heavy duty workhorse which can do what no other multi tool can do - removing windshields all day ......and cutting through metal, tiles, wood etc. at the fastest speed and with the longest lifetime.

btw. here a comparison sheet: http://img4.fotos-hochladen.net/uploads/dsc01822xz6d0omtvy.jpg

yes, usually they just say no to whatever is the question.

nah, it's incomplete, i can't send you a not usable tool, that would be too burdensome for you...

i´m a Bosch die-grinder repair specialist ...so no problem for me

beside, miss m. just said we only send stuff to Paypal verified addresses now!

nice ! a die-grinder is on the way !!!

you can't even begin to fathom how bad i feel when a powertool costs me more than 100.00€ in running mode...

"Lux" sells you power tools which cost way less

very important it is.

i don't like those slotted screws and i have more Torx drivers than slotted or, non-〄, cross-tipped ones. maybe i'll go for some black T27 stainless screws, got exactly the right driver for that...

[IMAGINE A PICTURE OF A WERA STAINLESS T27 SCREWIE HERE ]

the die-grinder is old-school so are slotted screws btw. the warranty is void if you change something or open the tool.....

 

[Monte]

News from Wera:
"Schalke" edition in blue:

http://www.wera.de/fileadmin/user_upload/homepage/2013/schalke_edition.pdf

new Wera tools/sets:
http://www.wera-tools.co.uk/fileadmin/user_upload/homepage/2013/Neuheiten_2013_Komplett_EN.pdf


New Wiha voltage detector:

new tools from Heyco:
https://oxomi.com/p/1707354?c=9008034&dp=true&pm=true

 

[jfdestree]

Thor 710r Hammer. Made in England.
I couldn't find replacement faces for my Tengtools hammer and end up buying this. I don't regret it

 

[upgrading]

News from Wera:
"Schalke" edition in blue:

Looks good.
Is Pozidriv that common in Europe that a driver for Pozidriv needs to be included in a small 5 piece set ?

 

[Monte]

Looks good.
Is Pozidriv that common in Europe that a driver for Pozidriv needs to be included in a small 5 piece set ?

wood screws are mostly PZ1/PZ2 or Torx. A screw with PZ2 head is maybe the most common screw in germany...

 

[Trucky]

So if I move to Canada, I'll exchange my PH2 for a Robertson 2.

If I move to Europe, I'll go for PZ2.

If I move to Japan, I'll need JIS stuff!

Can't we all just agree that torx is the best?

 

[nanofrog]

Can't we all just agree that torx is the best?

Business response: "And loose profits? Are you crazy?"

 

[cosmik binturong]

So if I move to Canada, I'll exchange my PH2 for a Robertson 2.

If I move to Europe, I'll go for PZ2.

If I move to Japan, I'll need JIS stuff!

Can't we all just agree that torx is the best?

nah, Robertson *is* still the best!

low number of sizes needed(easily color coded: 00, 0, 1, 2, 3, 4) high torque, self-centering, easily usable with power tools, no cam-out and last, but not least: canadian!!!

Business response: "And loose profits? Are you crazy?"

you could still make enormous profits: almost nobody outside Canada as screws nor screwdrivers, that's what i'll call a BIG market!

first step: outlawing all slotted screws!

 

[Trucky]

But slotted screws are my favorite. You can't rig almost anything into a PH2 without serious effort.

And I could make a good case for Frearson

Bad news.. I won't have the money to buy that 14A set for quite a while So I'll sell off my massive ammo stockade, because I'm a paranoid nutball.. Oh wait

 

[cosmik binturong]

But slotted screws are my favorite. You can't rig almost anything into a PH2 without serious effort.

heresy!!!

And I could make a good case for Frearson

won't fly with them infidels that prefer to use crescents' wrenches!

Bad news.. I won't have the money to buy that 14A set for quite a while So I'll sell off my massive ammo stockade, because I'm a paranoid nutball.. Oh wait

if ya need more than 10k rounds to defend yerself, ya need a bigger howitzer sonny...

anyway, ammo need to be replaced regularly unlike Stahlwille Open Box wrenches.


sell high, buy low, eh!





(where's that list of 3/4" wrenches in your possession? )

 

[superautobacs]

You have good taste Cosmik. I, too, agree that Robertson is the best.
Way easier to remove any crud from a square recess than it is to do a star shaped Torx!

Bits last a looong time and a #2 covers most tasks. Very rarely have i encountered a #3 or a beastily #4. #00 and 0 is never and #1 occasionaly on older electrical.

 

[Burgerkong]

Had no idea German and Italy made Karcher's are replacing the Chinese line here in Canada? Should have waited grrrr.....

 

[nowlan]

News from Wera:
"Schalke" edition in blue:

They made a Football branded set of screwdrivers?

 

[Monte]

So if I move to Canada, I'll exchange my PH2 for a Robertson 2.

If I move to Europe, I'll go for PZ2.

If I move to Japan, I'll need JIS stuff!

Can't we all just agree that torx is the best?

That´s why i have a welder and wood glue

They made a Football branded set of screwdrivers?

the 2nd already
first "BVB" edition:

 

[Roverbo]

Braun 5030 hair removal tool

But it wasn´t a succes in Germany...
View media item 32757
Ok, that was in the 80´s...Nena...sorry.

wood screws are mostly PZ1/PZ2 or Torx. A screw with PZ2 head is maybe the most common screw in germany...

Same here in Scandinavia...

Thor 710r Hammer. Made in England.
I couldn't find replacement faces for my Tengtools hammer and end up buying this. I don't regret it

Funny thing, the name Thor is a Norse God. But Thor hammers are from the UK, not scandinavia. There used to be a swedish hammer factory, "Tor", but they were aquired by the Hultafors group. Btw. is that hammer glossy chromed?

 

[Monte]

But it wasn´t a succes in Germany...
Ok, that was in the 80´s...Nena...sorry.

yeah the 80´s ....long gone...luckily....hair is gone .....everything is better now...ok maybe except the musik









Some Makita tools Made in Brasil:

www.makita.com.br

and the "Maktec" range but in grey: www.makita.com.br/ssp/

 

[mkstuls]

EgaMaster flat nose pliers (new) and PowerFix (Lidl) diagonal cutting pliers (used).

 

[cryan]

New weapon this week.
Norbar 300, 1/2" torque wrench.

 

[cryan]

The Box.

 

[Trucky]

(where's that list of 3/4" wrenches in your possession? )

Well, I must admit, my "collection" is much smaller than Monte's! Thus, I am too embarrassed to publish it online, and I do suspect that there might be a few here who have more 3/4" wrenches than I do

So far, I've about 15. But I'll continue working on it.

My favorites so far are both matte! WrightGrip and the Stahlwille 13A. Both are excellent.

FDP Snappy will have to wait.. Almost 45$!

 

[mr_jack]

They made a Football branded set of screwdrivers?

You meant soccer, right?

 

[Roverbo]

You meant soccer, right?

English English: Football
German: Fußball
Dutch: Voetbal
Romanian: Fotbal
Czech: Fotbal
Danish: Fodbold
and then...American English: Soccer

 

[CanUK]

English English: Football
German: Fußball
Dutch: Voetbal
Romanian: Fotbal
Czech: Fotbal
Danish: Fodbold
and then...American English: Soccer

Apparently it's actually British English. From Wiki:

"The term soccer originated in England, first appearing in the 1880s as an Oxford "-er" abbreviation of the word "association"."

"The term "soccer", derived from a transformation/emendation of the "assoc" in Association football, was popularised by a prominent English footballer, Charles Wreford-Brown (1866–1951). The first recorded use of "soccer" was in 1895. Two years earlier The Western Gazette reported that "W. Neilson was elected captain of ‘rugger’ and T. N. Perkins of ‘socker’" and Henry Watson Fowler recommended socker in preference to "soccer" to emphasise its correct pronunciation (i.e. hard "cc/ck"). In this context, he suggested that "baccy", because of the "cc" in "tobacco", was "more acceptable than soccer" (there being no "cc" in "Association"). "Socker" was the form that appeared in the first edition of the Concise Oxford Dictionary (1911)."

 

[CanUK]

Anybody used these (Jokari Super 4 Plus - made in Germany) that can comment on whether they're worth owning for £19?

Any other recommendations are also welcome, providing they don't involve extortionate prices and are of decent quality

 

[egfdevos]

Anybody used these (Jokari Super 4 Plus - made in Germany) that can comment on whether they're worth owning for ?

I use one daily as an elektrician.
Been using it for about 3 years now.
Would get the same one if this one should break or walks away.
You should be able to get is for les then £19.
They are €12,95 around here.

This is one of the beter models out there.

 

[Monte]

Anybody used these (Jokari Super 4 Plus - made in Germany) that can comment on whether they're worth owning for £19?

Any other recommendations are also welcome, providing they don't involve extortionate prices and are of decent quality

the Jokari tools are great and they strip normal "PVC" insulation quickly without problems. I own this rebadged Knipex tool: (Jokari Secura 2K)

Metabo catalog from 1978