Tools from the old world

[node105]

What´s the difference between sand blasting (or media blasting) and soda blasting ? What blasting material do you need ? It doesn´t damage any parts, right ?

soda is bicarbonate of soda ( baking soda) NaHCO3, readily soluble in water, mildly alkaline (caustic). The reside is minimal and easily dissolved. It is a kind of 'soft' abrasive (??)

Good for cleaning carburettors...

As compared to 'sand blasting' which can be garnet or any number of other compounds in a variety of hardness and durability, 'all' of which will leave grit and surface contamination (meaning a powder version of themselves).

 

[durallymax]

And the model's not even on their webpage yet ...

By the way, how much will be the spring hose clamp pliers 85 51 250 A?

I hate Knipex, thought I was good for awhile, now they have some new must haves.

The 400 pliers wrench comes up as a press release when you google it but then when you click on it, nothing.

http://www.knipex.com/index.php?id=1216&L=1&page=art_detail&parentID=1368&groupID=2175&artID=34161

Those spring clamp pliers look nice too.

 

[upgrading]

If I am understanding Blöckw@rt's link correctly they will not be released till 11/11/13.

 

[CV90]

Picked up some more Gedore tools yesterday.

-T handle Torx T10-T40
-Rotband Plus hammer
-Combination pliers (already have the Gedore power sidecutter, needlenose and water pump pliers)
-Voltage tester

The Gedore pliers really surprised me for the better. All of them are very smooth out of the box. My Knipex pliers all needed a good break in to reduce the stiffness (except for the water pump pliers). I also prefer Gedore matte chrome finish over the shiny Knipex chrome.

 

[upgrading]

Combo pliers look good.
Is that COO= Austria ?

 

[CV90]

Combo pliers look good.
Is that COO= Austria ?

Yes the Gedore pliers are made in Austria.

 

[Mr. Tool]

Monte, who is the manufacturer of these ratchets? Any idea?

 

[Blöckw@rt]

If I am understanding Blöckw@rt's link correctly they will not be released till 11/11/13.

Yes !....BUT (!) actually the member of a German tool forum was asking Knipex directly and they told that the big pliers wrench will be released at the end of November/beginning of December.

 

[erswill]

Monte, who is the manufacturer of these ratchets? Any idea?

http://www.newtools.com/pd_15.htm

these ratchets are from hi five / newtools

 

[user.nr.1]

Monte, who is the manufacturer of these ratchets? Any idea?

old world alternative:

Bahco 6950SL

 

[user.nr.1]

just a reminder for the european/german tool enthusiast.

Wera tools advent calendar 2013.
available now (they sold out pretty quick last year!) 45 Euros.

there is another tool calendar available from Hilti but you have to spent 600 Euros to get one for free.

 

[Blöckw@rt]

there is another tool calendar available from Hilti but you have to spent 600 Euros to get one for free.

600€ !!!.......for what ???

If there a TE 70 ATC inside, but for a few handtools !?

I know why we call Hilti "Die rote Apotheke"

 

[durallymax]

Yes !....BUT (!) actually the member of a German tool forum was asking Knipex directly and they told that the big pliers wrench will be released at the end of November/beginning of December.

Will they be coming to the US at the same time or do we have to wait?


On another note, I am looking at sockets now. Loosing enough of the ones from the Cman big set I started with and some are just getting worn out. Snappy sockets are shiny, but my german side is pulling me towards some good German stuff. I know theres a million preferences but what are some of the guys preferences in this thread? I'll probably do like I did with the screwdrivers and just get a few of each brand to decide which I like but its nice knowing pro's and cons going into it.

Thanks.

 

[user.nr.1]

600€ !!!.......for what ???

If there a TE 70 ATC inside, but for a few handtools !?

I know why we call Hilti "Die rote Apotheke"

Buy 600 Euros worth of drills, chissel, saw blades or diamond cutting wheels and you will get the advent calendar for free on top of your purchase.

The calendar is worth around 60 Euros but you can get it only through the promotion.

https://www.hilti.de/Adventskalender

 

[Blöckw@rt]

Will they be coming to the US at the same time or do we have to wait?

I don't know, but you can ask by email.

http://www.knipex-tools.us/en/about-us/

Buy 600 Euros worth of drills, chissel, saw blades or diamond cutting wheels and you will get the advent calendar for free on top of your purchase.

The calendar is worth around 60 Euros but you can get it only through the promotion.

Aha....ok !

but I prefer anyway one brand from Neubulach !

 

[durallymax]

They emailed back and said early 2014 for usa.

Sent from my SCH-R970 using Tapatalk 2

 

[upgrading]

just a reminder for the european/german tool enthusiast.

Wera tools advent calendar 2013.
available now (they sold out pretty quick last year!) 45 Euros.

I hope they put some nice %off coupons in those calendars for that kind of cash.

They emailed back and said early 2014 for usa.

Sent from my SCH-R970 using Tapatalk 2

Probably be about $150 too.

 

[bahcoswed]

Hello!

I'm glad to be back and posting again! Also have been very nice to read though all the pages since last visit!

Some of my acquisitions since last time:

S.A Wetterling forester tools (log scissor and hook?):

Made in Sweden

Lindstrom plier. Didn't really need it, since it is a tool mostly for electrics production/repair, and not for mechanics. But I wanted to have one

Made in Sweden

JWL AirBoy and Nordblast soda blaster. I'm 99.99% sure the Nordblast is manufactured by JWL. It looks exactly the same as their one, and it is made in Denmark also.

Also, some comparison pictures for anyone interested. A "Made in Sweden" versus a "Made in Argentina" Bahco PU10 wrench.

Notice the difference in length and thickness, both for open and ring end.

Compare 1952m wrenches to old sweden pu! They have atleast similar thickness like the older wrenches, even thinner maybe!

<a href="http://www.pictures.se/bilder/oFaRl.jpg"><img src="http://www.pictures.se/bilder/oFaRl.th.jpg" border="0" /></a>

 

[bahcoswed]

<a href="http://www.pictures.se/bilder/apV67.jpg"><img src="http://www.pictures.se/bilder/apV67.th.jpg" border="0" /></a>

 

[Blöckw@rt]

My little collection.

 

[Blöckw@rt]

From cheap to premium.

1/4"

3/8"

1/2"

 

[TjoFrasse]

Compare 1952m wrenches to old sweden pu! They have atleast similar thickness like the older wrenches, even thinner maybe!

<a href="http://www.pictures.se/bilder/oFaRl.jpg">http://www.pictures.se/bilder/oFaRl.th.jpg</a>

Interesting. Wonder why the changed the spec between the models.

 

[bahcoswed]

tjofrasse: 1952 blocknycklarna gick ju under sandvik belzer förut, sen belzer och nu bahco! Inte säkert dock om de är samma sjuka kvalite på dem som när sandviken ägde dom! Tunnaste och starkaste jag sett iaf, nu är dom lite tjockare men fortfarande väldigt tunna! Hållbarheten vet jag dock inget om, har ej hunnit misshandla mitt set ännu! Så igentligen tror jag inte de är pu, utan de är såna du har bilden! Men dom har ju exakt samma form med den lyckade ringböjjen! Sorry, my english is so damn bad

 

[TjoFrasse]

tjofrasse: 1952 blocknycklarna gick ju under sandvik belzer förut, sen belzer och nu bahco! Inte säkert dock om de är samma sjuka kvalite på dem som när sandviken ägde dom! Tunnaste och starkaste jag sett iaf, nu är dom lite tjockare men fortfarande väldigt tunna! Hållbarheten vet jag dock inget om, har ej hunnit misshandla mitt set ännu! Så igentligen tror jag inte de är pu, utan de är såna du har bilden! Men dom har ju exakt samma form med den lyckade ringböjjen! Sorry, my english is so damn bad

Ja, undrar hur det här har gått till i uppköp och flytter. Du rekomenderar dom iaf? Vad gav du och var köpte du?

Not really sure about how the moderators treat non-english conversations, so I'll do a crude bi-linguist version...

tjofrasse: 1952 wrenches used to be under Sandvik Belzer, then Belzer and now Bahco. Not sure about if it is the same quality still though. The thinnest and strongest I know of though. Not sure about durability though, my are not that abused yet.

Yes, I wonder how the relation is here. It seems evident that it was not the PU10 stamps that went from Sweden to Argentina at least. Might look into getting a 1952 set, I haven't really been interested in those previously, since I'm not a big fan of shiny chrome and German stuff can usually be found cheaper. I'm planning on (sometime) getting a offset ring end wrench set. Main contenders have been Gedore 1B and Stahlwille 14.

Blöckw@rt: You know that you can't post collection pics without telling us your favorite!

 

[LeGarage]

It seems only the screwdrivers are marked "Made in Germany". The wrenches and pliers don't have a COO. Only the Swedish wrench says "Germany."

Also the ratcheting wrench looks exactly like the Proxxon. So must be made in Asia.

I just found out the Skandia ratchet seems to be the same as a Teng tools ratchet.

 

[Lasu]

Do you know who makes these Bosch bits, about 89mm / 3,5inch long , these are quite durable and tough bits.

 

[upgrading]

From cheap to premium.

1/4"

Who makes the flexhead ?

 

[Roverbo]

A few of my old wrenches !

Nive wrenches, Blöckw@rt!

Cool to see some lesser known brands. I do have a Rheidco Metabo combination wrench myself, size 21mm.

Yes, nice to see the more odd brands. Took a few pix of some of mine too:

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Yes Whitworth, SAE and metric:

OMG, these english units... - SAE/AF i can relate to, but Whitworth...

Thanks for the advice Monte.
I wanted an eierlegende Vollmichsau .

Very nice tools Bhae! And finally the English have joined the "digital" age..."Fisco digital" ...
Nice to see a tape measure made in England, though.

Hello!

I'm glad to be back and posting again! Also have been very nice to read though all the pages since last visit!

Some of my acquisitions since last time:

S.A Wetterling forester tools (log scissor and hook?):
Made in Sweden

Lindstrom plier. Didn't really need it, since it is a tool mostly for electrics production/repair, and not for mechanics. But I wanted to have one
Made in Sweden

JWL AirBoy and Nordblast soda blaster. I'm 99.99% sure the Nordblast is manufactured by JWL. It looks exactly the same as their one, and it is made in Denmark also.

Nice tools Tjofrasse. Maybe the forester tools are made by Edsbyn Industrial AB in Helsingland (a.k.a. Bahco Forest Tools)? When you see pictures from Wetterlings, it´s more like an old blacksmith company (no plastic moulding machines).

From cheap to premium.

1/4"

...

3/8"

...
1/2"

Like others asked - which one do you prefer?

I copycat´d your picture:
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From bottom and up: Proxxon - Dowidat - Stahlwille - Teng Tools - Hazet - Koken.
I know that many say that Proxxon is just wannabe pro, but this was my first ½" ratchet, and it has taken a lot of misuse and beating for over 20 years (honest! It has survived the repair of 6 Volvos and 2 Range Rovers). So the reliability is really good. The Hazet is a real beauty to look at, but I personally find it too heavy. The old Koken is slightly more lightweight, and the rubber grip is nice in my unheated garage. So it´s my #1 ratchet.

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1/4":
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Thats a pitty, right? But since I work most on rusty cars (and bicycles), there hasn´t been much use for the small sizes. Matador ratchet and extensions from Matador, Belzer (with "assambled in UK" stamp - strange...), Bahco extension made in Sweden. Kamasa tool handle.

Ok, more quite old tools (a.k.a. TFTOW Originals)
Side cutters:

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Sandvik-Bahco (orange ERGO) - Bahco (red, made in France) - Knipex - Orbit

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All these are E.A. Berg, Sweden (later Bahco) except the top one - Brinko, Germany.

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So the "Fish & hook" logotype did not originate from Bahco (as we are told), but from Sandvik. Old Bahco had this Shark logotype...

 

[Mitkoasd]

Hi everybody and greetings from Bulgaria. Some new photos from my home workshop:

 

[superautobacs]

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Cool. Maybe the first shark-logo'd Bahco tool posted here?
My in-law's have a Bahco bread knife in the kitchen with a shark logo, and of course, made in Sweden. They think it's 30+ years old.




Mitkoasd,

So surprised to see Mastercraft tools there and it's not the only Mastercraft tool you have there. How did it get to your garage?


There was some talk about Knipex's latest pliers....here's some photos from a Japanese toolshop:

 

[bent0r]

I Like!

 

[nowlan]

Promotion had pair of free gloves when I bought some spanners.
Finally turned up in the mail.

Made in PRC however.

Bit snug, but elastic.

 

[Blöckw@rt]

Blöckw@rt: You know that you can't post collection pics without telling us your favorite!

Who makes the flexhead ?

Ok guys….

In ¼" I prefer the Facom and the flexhead from Matador, both are small and very comfortable at work. Whether the Matador is really made by Matador, I don’t know ?

In 3/8" I like all of those, the Wisent has fine tooth, the Proxxon (very good price performance) is a robust ratchet.
The Matador (no wobbling sockets!) and the Stahlwille are beyond any doubt.

In ½" my absolute favorite is the big Matador with the best ratchering sound ever heard, a very strong and robust tool without wobbling sockets!

 

[Mitkoasd]

Mitkoasd,

So surprised to see Mastercraft tools there and it's not the only Mastercraft tool you have there. How did it get to your garage?

I bought this set from one guy who work in Canada. The quality is so good and they gives you lifetime warranty. What do you think about them?

 

[north]

*snip* The Hazet is a real beauty to look at, *snip*

Yes it is!

Mitkoasd, . Mighty stout looking vise you got there. Also, what brands are your wrenches, any close up pictures of those? Are the sockets Mastercraft as well?

 

[Blöckw@rt]

Just bought a beautiful (I hope so) cantilever box on ebay.

Pics will follow !

 

[Miskin]

Just bought a beautiful (I hope so) cantilever box on ebay.

Pics will follow !

Hurry up!!

i'm ebay.de addict i think...!

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[Monte]

Yes, the main difference is how much gentler it is to the object. It doesn't damage rubber, plastics or wood. It is too weak to remove rust though. I bought a bag of Armex blasting soda ( http://www.armex.com/docs/TDSMAIN.pdf ) and it is not cheap. Not reusable either, since the soda crystals break upon impact. Apart from whatever you're blasting (paint residue), it is nontoxic both for you and the environment.

Both JWL and Nordblast has some nice sales pitch movies:

I have tested mine, and I am happy with it.

Thanks for the answer TjoFrasse ! I´m looking for something gentle to remove paint and dirt from parts which i don´t want to dismantle like alternators, water pumps etc. So i can clean the items and keep them like that or paint them without doing too much work...I guess that shoud work !? So the plan is to get me a sand blast cabinet for sand blasting but also to soda blast to keep the dirt inside. Both Nordblast and JWL have distributors here and JWL even close to me. Here are the prices:
5 liter soda: http://www.wtn-shop.de/Druckluftwer...searchvendor=3f60ce1763f892a0748313793afa87df
Gun:
http://www.wtn-shop.de/Druckluftwer...searchvendor=3f60ce1763f892a0748313793afa87df
How much did you pay for your soda ?
edit: also found this shop who sells "soda" for 1,10€ per kilo + tax:
http://www.mr-soda-blaster.de/Shop,Soda-Strahlmittel
Armex has a distributor here too.

soda is bicarbonate of soda ( baking soda) NaHCO3, readily soluble in water, mildly alkaline (caustic). The reside is minimal and easily dissolved. It is a kind of 'soft' abrasive (??)

Good for cleaning carburettors...

As compared to 'sand blasting' which can be garnet or any number of other compounds in a variety of hardness and durability, 'all' of which will leave grit and surface contamination (meaning a powder version of themselves).

do you know if baking soda residues can damage parts like bearings if the dust gets inside ? Or is it too soft ?

The calendar is worth around 60 Euros but you can get it only through the promotion.
https://www.hilti.de/Adventskalender

or from ebay
http://www.ebay.de/itm/HILTI-Advent...t=DE_Weihnachtsdekoration&hash=item35cd59c5fd

On another note, I am looking at sockets now. Loosing enough of the ones from the Cman big set I started with and some are just getting worn out. Snappy sockets are shiny, but my german side is pulling me towards some good German stuff. I know theres a million preferences but what are some of the guys preferences in this thread? I'll probably do like I did with the screwdrivers and just get a few of each brand to decide which I like but its nice knowing pro's and cons going into it.
Thanks.

i like Hazet. On this page i posted some comparison pics with Stahlwille:
http://www.garagejournal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=28952&page=12

Do you know who makes these Bosch bits, about 89mm / 3,5inch long , these are quite durable and tough bits.

i dunno but maybe www.vermontamerican.com since Bosch owns this company. Their newer bits are made in China though.

Cool. Maybe the first shark-logo'd Bahco tool posted here?

from page 355

From the flea market:
Belzer tool box. About 70 years old.



"Belzer D.R.G.M."


Together with the Gedore box

 

[node105]

do you know if baking soda residues can damage parts like bearings if the dust gets inside ? Or is it too soft ?

I can not speak with any authority on this.
Initial thought it would be soft, and quickly be reduced to a very fine 'soft' powder. However, the initial application is at high velocity and in a bearing even fine powder would be travelling at high (rotational) velocity.

I would probably be more concerned with what chemical affect the alkaline nature of HCO3 would have on the bearing grease. But give the minor amount, and the mild nature of the alkalinity, probably not a real world consideration.

On the one hand, any residue would presumably be far less abrasive than the 'sand' class of particulates, on the other hand 'any' departure from cleanliness within a bearing would generally be considered a bad thing.

I once had the alloy block, head and sump etc. of an Alfa Romeo motor bead blasted. Despite hours assiduously washing and scrubbing in a variety of both water and detergent, solvents, including all the galleries with rifle brushes etc. Once reassembled, the motor seized within minutes of its first fire up. A failed experiment that one! I would not be concerned about using soda blast in the same way.

 

[node105]

On another note, I am looking at sockets now. Loosing enough of the ones from the Cman big set I started with and some are just getting worn out. Snappy sockets are shiny, but my german side is pulling me towards some good German stuff. I know theres a million preferences but what are some of the guys preferences in this thread? I'll probably do like I did with the screwdrivers and just get a few of each brand to decide which I like but its nice knowing pro's and cons going into it.
Thanks.

German made! Hazet or Stahlwille. I have had some of both for years, and been expanding my sets in recent years.

The Hazet used to be a little better finish, their plating seems to have gone down a notch, but that is very subjective. Stahlwille does feel a little cleaner finished overall.

Where I do lean towards Hazet, is that they clearly label 'Made in Germany' . ; in there catalogue, individual tools series are flagged 'Made in Germany'

Stahlwille usually only ever seem to allude to "Germany'. Now that may not seem like an issue to some, but the way large corporates are today, that's 'wiggle' room in my book.

Stahwille finish is certainly crisper generally, Hazet has far more of the old world impression, look at the grooves, one gets the impression the same dies have been used for a long time.

Functionally, and strength wise, they are 2 peas in a pod. I have numerous of both. I trust the heritage of Hazet a bit more, I like the crispness of Stahlwille.