Tools from the old world
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part 5
Felisatti power tools from Spain (formerly Italy)
Rotabroach from the UK
Keyang power tools from South Korea
"Rapid" glue guns
Wendt
Casals power tools from Spain
Perles power tools from Slovenia
Dualsaw
Ford power tools
Kress 50 years jubilee edition
Proxxon
Proxxon news: bench polisher, 240 Volt Micromot tool, angle polisher:
BDS Maschinen
Powerbor
Felisatti power tools from Spain (formerly Italy)
Rotabroach from the UK
Keyang power tools from South Korea
"Rapid" glue guns
Wendt
Casals power tools from Spain
Perles power tools from Slovenia
Dualsaw
Ford power tools
Kress 50 years jubilee edition
Proxxon
Proxxon news: bench polisher, 240 Volt Micromot tool, angle polisher:
BDS Maschinen
Powerbor
upgrading
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Add. Casals and Felisatti now owns one of the Russian companyThis brand now Russian
the tool mostly from China and South Korea (Keyang)
snowblindb
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new Stahlwille ratcheting screwdrivers available in stubby too
Isn't this same as the Bahco ratcheting screwdriver (made in asia) ?
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mr_jack
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I haven't posted new pics in a while and I had the day-off today so I decided to gather all my Knipex tools and take picture or two.
The VDE tools:
The other tools:
The VDE tools:
The other tools:
i think yes
the catalog claims "Made in spain" but you´re right that there are many Keyang tools in their lineup...cordless for example.This brand now Russian
the tool mostly from China and South Korea (Keyang)
sorry didn´t take any
interskolAdd. Casals and Felisatti now owns one of the Russian company
yes
really ?
very nice collection !!!!!!!!!!
part 6
Hazet
new water pump pliers with "push lever" instead of "push button".
Made in Germany. €29,90
bulk screwdriver sets
new and old ratchets
air tools
Hazet toolbox collection
Virax
Tectool
Sparky power tools from Bulgaria
Suhner power tools from germany
Ruko cordless magnetic core drill
Euroboor cordless magnetic core drill
Norton grinding wheels in action
Alfra core drill with permanent magnet
Witte
Rothenberger
NWS
mr_jack
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Thanks!
Tectool
Keyang power tools from South Korea
Those look almost exactly the same
Monte said:really ?
http://uk.farnell.com/makita/hp330dwe/drill-combi-10-8v-2-x-bat/dp/2147442
When I need a good tool I always check on Farnell where thing made is.
SKIL 2321AB 10.8 V - Made in China
BOSCH - GSR 10,8-2 LI - Made in Malaysia
METABO - POWERMAXX 12 BASIC / PRO - Made in China
BOSCH - PSR 10,8-LI - Made in Hungary
MAKITA - HP330DWE 10.8 V Made in United Kingdom
MILWAUKEE TOOL - 2401-22 12 V Made in China
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http://uk.farnell.com/makita/hp330dwe/drill-combi-10-8v-2-x-bat/dp/2147442
When I need a good tool I always check on Farnell where it made is.
The sticker/label on the tool or package says the same ?
Video of the new Hazet pliers
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Laro13
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I did not find any label with that info.
mr_jack
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hmmm strange !??!!
No, not at all!
As i read somewhere: God created the world and everything in it is made in China!
But why do you need a spoon on your pliers?
Damn! It really looks like a spoon.
emergency kit like the military cutlery setsBut why do you need a spoon on your pliers?
ok thanks
and South KoreaNo, not at all!
As i read somewhere: God created the world and everything in it is made in China!
part 7
York
Tanos
Techway
Whirlpower
Gedore
Bessey
Kukko
original and copy
this should be a picture of the "Newtools" booth but the doorman was faster than the camera
It seems he wanted to hide the "KS-Tools" and "Proto" ratcheting wrenches attached to a tool board...
some pics of the halls with imported tools from Taiwan:
there was also a hall with like 100 or more small booth (about 3x3 meter) with companies from China.
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Krokodil
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Great pics. Thanks Monte.
Miskin
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Monte i just tried to convince my wife for a trip to Köln next March but she's adamant. He realized that I want to go to the tools exhibition and leave her in a hotel alone...
Thanks for the free tour!
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The results for Knipex and Alarm was unexpected. Knipex 30 to 35 HRC. Alarm 25 to 30 HRC(three measurments)
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Thanks for the free tour!
Today i double-checked the Merry pliers hardness close to the teeth. The result was 25 HRC, still frustrating. The ODUR-FIT pliers, for example, was 50 HRC! The arrows point the measuring spots.
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I guess the particular Merry pliers is not built for ....
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The results for Knipex and Alarm was unexpected. Knipex 30 to 35 HRC. Alarm 25 to 30 HRC(three measurments)
.upgrading
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Did you get to try out these pliers ?
If so did you like them better than the Knipex/NWS style ?
Any price info on them ?
*snip*
Appreciated. Many thanks. And I will not use my Truper ratchet this weekend. That'll teach Newtools a lesson...
Virax
Rothenberger
I'm not at liberty to say anything specific because of non-disclosure agreements, but I see some of my babies in these pictures
the next cologne hardware fair is in 2016...in 2 years she already has forgotten that there is a tool fairMonte i just tried to convince my wife for a trip to Köln next March but she's adamant. He realized that I want to go to the tools exhibition and leave her in a hotel alone...
Thanks for the free tour!
Or you could look at the fair and she goes shopping in the city
Is it possible to measure the hardness of the teeth itself ? I think thats the important part....The results for Knipex and Alarm was unexpected. Knipex 30 to 35 HRC. Alarm 25 to 30 HRC(three measurments)
Muchas Gracias Monte.nice pictures ,ah Hazet Nice!!!
the price is 29,90€ + tax. I tried them at the fair, i like how they work. The lever is closer to the handle and works easily. The pliers are also basically flush, no button sticks out. You also can leave your hands on the handle when changing the jaw size. I like them....are they better ? i dunno...but i´ll get me a pair in the future
the Rothenberger recip sawI'm not at liberty to say anything specific because of non-disclosure agreements, but I see some of my babies in these pictures
....couldn´t find the threading machines on your homepage
Miskin
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Yes i know, but unfortunately i can't make the measurement on the pliers teeth, because of the their shape. I can measure only flat surfaces. Besides that it is obvious the ODUR-FIT rules!
My favourite pliers!Yes i know, but unfortunately i can't make the measurement on the pliers teeth, because of the their shape. I can measure only flat surfaces. Besides that it is obvious the ODUR-FIT rules!
Knipex publish hardness info on their website. For the 03 02 200 combination pliers pictured, it's:
"cutting edges additionally induction hardened, cutting edge hardness approx. 60 HRC" (for the high-leverage pliers it's 63HRC).
That's quite a variance of course, so it seems either Knipex are flat out lying, or the test is reading low due to inability to measure in the "correct" spot. If it's the latter then it's also reasonable to assume, potentially, a corresponding variance between the hardness of the teeth (of any of the pliers) and what Miskin has observed.
I'm no expert in metallurgy, but would a softer main structure (with hardening only at the teeth and cutting edges) not also be less prone to cracking or shattering?
Interesting test in any case -thanks!
Oh, and I'm still looking for a pair of the Odur-Fit. They sure don't seem to want to sell many pliers
Miskin
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Knipex publish hardness info on their website. For the 03 02 200 combination pliers pictured, it's:
"cutting edges additionally induction hardened, cutting edge hardness approx. 60 HRC" (for the high-leverage pliers it's 63HRC).
That's quite a variance of course, so it seems either Knipex are flat out lying, or the test is reading low due to inability to measure in the "correct" spot. If it's the latter then it's also reasonable to assume, potentially, a corresponding variance between the hardness of the teeth (of any of the pliers) and what Miskin has observed.
I'm no expert in metallurgy, but would a softer main structure (with hardening only at the teeth and cutting edges) not also be less prone to cracking or shattering?
Interesting test in any case -thanks!
Oh, and I'm still looking for a pair of the Odur-Fit. They sure don't seem to want to sell many pliers
I think that the main mistake i made is measuring near the teeth, not near the cutter which is the most hardened spot of a plier. With the first chance I will repeat the test.
edit: That's true and very odd...
....i asked because i guess the teeth have a much higher hardness...Like other tools for example hammers where the "body" is soft and only the striking surfaces are heat treated 3mm deep so the body don´t crack and the striking surfaces are hard to hold up....same like chisels, soft head so it don´t crack, just wears, and hard cutting edge for durability.Yes i know, but unfortunately i can't make the measurement on the pliers teeth, because of the their shape. I can measure only flat surfaces. Besides that it is obvious the ODUR-FIT rules!
On the way back home from cologne I drove through the “blade city” Solingen and the tool cities Remscheid and Wuppertal.
First stop was the NWS factory.
NWS Germany Produktion
Röntgenstraße 12
42719 Solingen
On the way to the next factory I accidently saw the Boker knife factory. After I visited their factory outlet store and picked up a factory outlet store booklet I continued my trip.
Heinr. Böker Baumwerk GmbH
Schützenstr. 30
42659 Solingen
Next stop was Kretzer scissors. I picked up a pair of scissors in their factory store. btw.: They have a adress in the US too: www.kretzerusa.com
KRETZER SCHEREN GMBH
Löhdorfer Str. 171 - 173
42699 Solingen
Then I headed to Saltus
SALTUS Industrial Technique GmbH
Schaberger Str. 49-53
42659 Solingen
Next was the Loher drill bit factory
AUGUST LÖHER GMBH
Morsbacher Strasse 24
42857 Remscheid
5 minutes later I appeared at the Hazet Werk 1 (factory 1)
Hazet Werk I Remscheid-Güldenwerth
Güldenwerther Bahnhofstr. 25
42857 Remscheid-Güldenwerth
1,3km away was the Hazet Werk 3 (factory 3)
Hazet Werk III Remscheid-Vieringhausen
Am Langen Siepen 13-15
42857 Remscheid-Vieringhausen
Then I headed to Bauer & Böcker a small manufacturer of magnetic pick up tools, inspection mirrors, tubular sockets and flash lights:
Bauer & Böcker GmbH & Co. KG
Lange Straße 21
42857 Remscheid
300 meter down the street: VBW/Alarm
VBW Werkzeugfabrik GmbH
Lange Straße 40 - 56
42857 Remscheid
Krumm/Gedore. The Gedore forging center
Gedore Werkzeugfabrik
Lange Str. 7 a
42857 Remscheid
The Gedore main facility. There are more builings at the back and on the right.
Gedore Werkzeugfabrik
Remscheider Str. 149
42899 Remscheid
One house next to the factory: Gedore factory outlet store:
Gedore Werkzeugstudio
Remscheider Str. 147
42899 Remscheid
On the way to the next factory out of nowhere in the middle of the woods the Matador factory appeared:
Matador
Morsbachtalstraße 17
42855 Remscheid
On the way to Picard:
Picard hammer factory:
Joh. Hermann Picard
Rottsiepen 15
D-42349 Wuppertal
The next factory in Wuppertal: Stahlwille
EDUARD WILLE GmbH & Co.KG
Lindenallee 27
42349 Wuppertal
The distribution center is on the other side of the street:
I´m on the right way
Knipex
Knipex Werk
Oberkamper Str. 13
42349 Wuppertal
The abandoned Bahco distribution center:
Bahco Belzer GmbH
Hastener Straße 4
42349 Wuppertal
Wera was the next stop:
Wera Werk
Hermann Werner GmbH & Co. KG
Korzerter Straße 21-25
42349 Wuppertal
And on the opposite side of the street: Carl Walter
Carl Walter Schraubwerkzeug-Fabrik GmbH & Co. KG
Hahnerberger Str. 82
42349 Wuppertal
upgrading
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More excellent pics from Monte !
Thanks for this.
About these "outlet" stores.
How do they work in Germany ?
Do they sell "seconds/blemished" items cheap ?
Thanks for this.
About these "outlet" stores.
How do they work in Germany ?
Do they sell "seconds/blemished" items cheap ?
the Rothenberger recip saw
....couldn´t find the threading machines on your homepage
Sometimes the client will just take an existing product and rebrand it.
That's the fast and easy way. But when they do that, observant people like you can figure it out.
Other times they will open some tooling to create a new item based on an existing model.
And still, some clients will come to us with a project to create an all-new tool. They pay to open all the tooling and it belongs to them. So you won't find it in our catalog. These are collaborative efforts and involve many many meetings, design proposals, changes and technical emails back and forth. So I have a lot more involvement in the project. So I consider those to be my baby. I really can't say any more...
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Nice Journey, thanks Monte.
I could totally see me doing what my buddy's dad did at a nudie bar in Alaska... running in there with a credit card between my teeth...Hazet
Somehow I just don't want my power tools to say "Sparky" on the side...
Deutschmann
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Monte,
Danke für deine gute Bilder und alles in diese Diskussion. Gibts am alle Firmen das dar oben sind eine Fabrikverkauf? Am Bodensee arbeite ich bei eine Firma das bei Garant viele Sachen kauft und hab ich auch sehr viele Sachen gefunden. Ich bin auch ein Sammler vom Werkzeuge und Leitern. Mein Keller ist voll mit Snapon Werkzeuge das ich in der USA gekauft habe und langsam Kauf ich Deutsche Qualität Werkzeuge. Meine Sammlung vom Leitern kommen vom Mauderer Alutechnik. Mit Hohe Qualität kann ich fast alles machen. Wann du irgendwas brauchst für deine Monte Carlo kann ich dir weiter Hilfen weil ich gut Connections habe in die USA.
Danke für deine gute Bilder und alles in diese Diskussion. Gibts am alle Firmen das dar oben sind eine Fabrikverkauf? Am Bodensee arbeite ich bei eine Firma das bei Garant viele Sachen kauft und hab ich auch sehr viele Sachen gefunden. Ich bin auch ein Sammler vom Werkzeuge und Leitern. Mein Keller ist voll mit Snapon Werkzeuge das ich in der USA gekauft habe und langsam Kauf ich Deutsche Qualität Werkzeuge. Meine Sammlung vom Leitern kommen vom Mauderer Alutechnik. Mit Hohe Qualität kann ich fast alles machen. Wann du irgendwas brauchst für deine Monte Carlo kann ich dir weiter Hilfen weil ich gut Connections habe in die USA.
The Stahlwille "man" at the door got me thinking about the 32mm 13 series blanks.
That man has a chest of tools.
http://img5.fotos-hochladen.net/uploads/md000161s9bpl6jr5w.jpg
That man has a chest of tools.
http://img5.fotos-hochladen.net/uploads/md000161s9bpl6jr5w.jpg
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But the hardness of the teeth has got to count for something as well. I'm far too lazy, but a email to Knipex (or one of the other brands) with the details of your findings and asking for an explanation of hardness of the teeth, vs cutting edge, vs "body" might provide some insight (and probably some marketing BS, but you never know).
I'm finding this interesting though and I appreciate your efforts. I'm looking forward to see if, or by how much the figures change the closer you get to the cutting edge.
Also - any chance of getting some pics of the test in progress? A "tools in action" shot for the testing equipment
Miskin
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Great idea! Now we must find α volunteer with good knowledge of the German language.
Also - any chance of getting some pics of the test in progress? A "tools in action" shot for the testing equipment
Of course, that's easy.
Just use English.Great idea! Now we must find α volunteer with good knowledge of the German language.
Seriously.