Tools from the old world

[mac_intosh]

Found some old Hazet tools (amongst others) in an old barn. Sadly most of them were stored in a humid cellar and are beyond worth preserving.

But the 916 ratchet from the 1930s is still intact and was used till recently!

 

[brit road garage]

Quick question, I need some screwdrivers and was wondering what the best out of wiha, wera and hazet?


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[Dave455]

Hey Monte,

Does anyone besides Gedore make a racheting wrench in Germany?

Thanks

Are you thinking of a ratcheting combination wrench?

If so, Saltus spring to mind!

 

[nowlan]

Hey Monte,

Does anyone besides Gedore make a racheting wrench in Germany?

Thanks

I asked Monte about this once before.

the Hazet wrenches are imported it seems, they work smooth like the Taiwanese wrenches, the Gedore wrenches are from germany, some work smooth and some less smooth.... the open end is also thinner than the hazet and they´re shorter iirc.

 

[Dave455]

Quick question, I need some screwdrivers and was wondering what the best out of wiha, wera and hazet?


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Bear in mind that Hazet alone make, I think, five different styles of driver, and Wiha even more, so you need to start by comparing like against like!

If you want something for mechanics use, then in my experience soft finishes are best avoided. They pick up grease, then grit, then are dreadful to use, then get wrecked!

So, from Hazet you'll be looking at their 'Trinamic' (not Trinamic Ultra) which is a good traditional Hard Handle driver! I have a few of these in my "go bag" and they seem to work well and put up with a bit of abuse! These are a good choice! In the U.K. you can order from 'Tools from Germany'!

From Wiha you'd be looking at either the 'micro finish' or the 'classic'! The Classic have square red acetate handles and are quite nice. The blades are bright plated, including the tips, and I'm not sure they are as durable as the matte plated blades with the vapour blasted tips! Micro Finish are a variation of their soft finish driver and they are pretty good all round!

I've got quite a few Wiha Drivers too, especially 'specials' like torx and nut runners, (most of which I bought before discovering PB Swiss) and they've all lasted well! In the U.K. They are a good choice too! You can buy 'em from Wiha, or from MSC a tad cheaper!

I've used, but don't own, the Wera, and must admit I'd prefer either the Hazet or Wiha!

I must admit I 'mix and match" my drivers! Can't think of anything worse than having Pozidriv and Phillips with the same colour handle, so why not try a couple of each!

 

[CrustyD3mon]

Found some old Hazet tools (amongst others) in an old barn. Sadly most of them were stored in a humid cellar and are beyond worth preserving.

But the 916 ratchet from the 1930s is still intact and was used till recently!

you need to save that ratchet and the trolley...

 

[dutch79]

I asked Monte about this once before.

the Hazet wrenches are imported it seems, they work smooth like the Taiwanese wrenches, the Gedore wrenches are from germany, some work smooth and some less smooth.... the open end is also thinner than the hazet and they´re shorter iirc.

The Hazet socket sets are made in Germany, the normal combination wrenche, open end and double-box end wrenches also. But the ratcheting combination wrenches not. Check the 2014 catalog to check the "Made in Germany" logo on every product.

 

[mac_intosh]

Already did!

 

[Mr MoAiZo]

another thing we were looking for was a sturdy vertical bench drilling stand like this one that Monte posted a while ago:

Try the Wabeco 24400. It weighs 13,5kg! Costs about 150,-€, often less.


New arrivals: Bahco hex screwdrivers ergo in 3, 4, 5, 6 and 8.
Made in Spain (by Irazola).

 

[brit road garage]

Bear in mind that Hazet alone make, I think, five different styles of driver, and Wiha even more, so you need to start by comparing like against like!

If you want something for mechanics use, then in my experience soft finishes are best avoided. They pick up grease, then grit, then are dreadful to use, then get wrecked!

So, from Hazet you'll be looking at their 'Trinamic' (not Trinamic Ultra) which is a good traditional Hard Handle driver! I have a few of these in my "go bag" and they seem to work well and put up with a bit of abuse! These are a good choice! In the U.K. you can order from 'Tools from Germany'!

From Wiha you'd be looking at either the 'micro finish' or the 'classic'! The Classic have square red acetate handles and are quite nice. The blades are bright plated, including the tips, and I'm not sure they are as durable as the matte plated blades with the vapour blasted tips! Micro Finish are a variation of their soft finish driver and they are pretty good all round!

I've got quite a few Wiha Drivers too, especially 'specials' like torx and nut runners, (most of which I bought before discovering PB Swiss) and they've all lasted well! In the U.K. They are a good choice too! You can buy 'em from Wiha, or from MSC a tad cheaper!

I've used, but don't own, the Wera, and must admit I'd prefer either the Hazet or Wiha!

I must admit I 'mix and match" my drivers! Can't think of anything worse than having Pozidriv and Phillips with the same colour handle, so why not try a couple of each!

It's between these sets [/url] http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/aw/d/B00...7921?qid=1400423168&sr=8-22&pi=AC_SX110_SY165 http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/aw/d/B004H4EFF6?pc_redir=1399838838&robot_redir=1 I do automotive work so I don't need pozinwhich set would you go for?


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[Monte]

Also received the new 2014 pliers:

Real pics please

That's the BDS ZBS100, right?
Do you know who sells that online with EU shipping?

yes.

http://www.top-maschinen.de/maschin...chinen/industriebohrstaender-zbs100/index.htm
they send worldwide and take paypal

http://www.toolspot.nl/contents/nl/d455_bds_accessoires.html
maybe ?

or here:

Hoffmann Industrial Tools S.R.L.
Str. Aristide Pascal nr. 18 , Sector 3
031443 Bucuresti
Romania

Tel: +40 21.322.45.44
Fax: +40 21 322 44 40
E-Mail: [email protected]

Found some old Hazet tools (amongst others) in an old barn. Sadly most of them were stored in a humid cellar and are beyond worth preserving.

But the 916 ratchet from the 1930s is still intact and was used till recently!

nice haul

Hey Monte,

Does anyone besides Gedore make a racheting wrench in Germany?

Thanks

there are these from WGB....but i doubt they are made here....

Quick question, I need some screwdrivers and was wondering what the best out of wiha, wera and hazet?

i guess i would simply buy the ones with the most ergonomic handle...

For a general workshop/mechanics screwdriver i think i would take some with hex blade and maybe a striking cap.
For woodworking and electronic work i would take some with a slim blade (cabinet screwdriver)

Witte makes nice drivers too.
http://www.ebay.co.uk/sch/i.html?_o...river+set&_nkw=witte+screwdriver+set&_sacat=0











Hammerite hammered silver paint for a vice resto www.hammerite.com

 

[cosmik binturong]

Cutting discs - Pferd stainless

as adjunct to the Rhodius post earlier, I used a Pferd stainless steel cutting disc to trim the folded end of a 1mm s/s bench top yesterday. Clean cut, like knife through butter.

they do slice steel very well, it's only that my neighbour is somewhat not the guy you should let use one...

Mmm, Emily is lookin' guude.....and so too is that Czech lady. Eye candy on wheels...

look up what happened to her right before London's Olympics, how well she did on race day and, despite that, how happy she was to finish the course! true grit and determination there. i've seen some drop out of a race for a broken pinky...

The Gedore 2-comp handle looks very comfortable, and I really adore Hazet's older 2-comp handle breaker bar as well.

the old Gedore ones or, better, Dowidat are what i'll be after once i get a black finish 3/8" Ko-ken. no need for a halfie now since i got what i posted in the Show your new tools arrivals thread...

lookin forward to see what you snatched....crappixes or not

still not delivered...

Btw, nice Rollmaster!!

thnaks!

Hello from Croatia!

I've been here awhile, but never posted anything
So, as you could see from guys from our part of the world (i see some guys from Slovenia, Bosnia and Croatia (ofcourse) around here ), most of our tools are from countries around us (mostly Slovenia, Italy, Germany...)

welcome here Snakevz! enjoy your stay and post all the made in all the FYRs tools you can!

p.s. I don't know if pics are too big, please let me know if they are...
p.p.s. sorry for my bad english, but I hope that you'll understand me

nice 130s!
pics are fine and your english is fine too. like a cat!

9 sockets thats good... how many additional grinders do you need ?
i might have some for sale
what about brands like Peugeot, Stayer, Kress, Elu...do you (still) can find them over there ? I thought you have 230 Volt in france

a couple more would be great so i won't have to constantly switch discs, ROLOCs and brushes.
no Peugeot. ever!
Kress or Stayer? why not... Elu, well, got a sander and it was good, so if i find one NOS maybe.
no 110V here, only 220 and 380V but i'll have one installed for a Kosoku if i get one!

very nice ! Congratulation !

Danke!

older AEG, Bosch, Metabo....or Duss which currently is the best.

But if you want something really sturdy...:

...for example to use it as a flow drill

yeah, the Fein branded Indutec ones are nice and i'm following an auction on eBay.de for one but way out of my meagre monetary means right now...

beside i already got what i need, no pics again though...

Gesipa rivets www.Gesipa.com

nice, looks like Gesipa is now kinda swissish(SFS-Intec bought 'em if what the guy i bought screws from is right.)

Bought a Hazet 880ST (ST=standard) 3/8" socket wrench set in metal case.
Sockets are in metric: 8, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 18, 19, 21 and 22mm.
Have to figure out what year it is (somewhere in the 70's I guess).


I appreciate the 3/8" size more and more. 1/4" is quite small and not that strong. 1/2" is strong, but a bit heavy and bulky.

wow! looks almost unused... great find!

Also received the new 2014 pliers:

i should get a pair too... would look great along Grandma Hazet!

too bad i already have a few Cobras and a Quattro...

edit: who wants a brand new, never ever used or taken out of the plastic retail stuff, Knipex Cobra 250mm and some surprise in the parcel in exchange for this blue beauty?

Found some old Hazet tools (amongst others) in an old barn. Sadly most of them were stored in a humid cellar and are beyond worth preserving.

But the 916 ratchet from the 1930s is still intact and was used till recently!

you can remove the chrome and polish them, that will turn out quite awesome(somebody here already did that to old Hazet wrenches)!

Quick question, I need some screwdrivers and was wondering what the best out of wiha, wera and hazet?

old Hazet are nicer than the new slovenian ones but those are still quite good and durable so go for it if you want. of the Wihas i'll probably try to get, for greasy automotive use, a set of old black handled Micro Finish or even the ones that replaced them(violet and black handles) if you like the colour(i do even if i prefer the feel of the all black ones ). i wouldn't buy the Wera set if i could though...

or you could get a cheap set of Felo Inomics from amazon.de...

anyway, whatever you choose will be a workhorsey set in some sense so select the prettiest or the cheapest, they're all fine(except those Weras that me likes not).

 

[SawtoothJL]

Quick question, I need some screwdrivers and was wondering what the best out of wiha, wera and hazet?


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You're leaving out a lot of good options without looking at Felo, Gedore, Witte, Zebra.... There are very many great German screwdriver manufacturers. I personally like Wera drivers, but also own and use Felo, PB Swiss, and Wiha. In the end you can't really go wrong with any of them.

 

[mac_intosh]

you can remove the chrome and polish them, that will turn out quite awesome(somebody here already did that to old Hazet wrenches)!

Hm, at least I could carry them home and have a closer look. Thanks for the tip!

 

[cosmik binturong]

Hm, at least I could carry them home and have a closer look. Thanks for the tip!

*click!*

 

[brit road garage]

You're leaving out a lot of good options without looking at Felo, Gedore, Witte, Zebra.... There are very many great German screwdriver manufacturers. I personally like Wera drivers, but also own and use Felo, PB Swiss, and Wiha. In the end you can't really go wrong with any of them.

I work on mainly classic cars which would be the best for that?


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[cosmik binturong]

got some new stuff that was needed for current house work:

Bosch GMS-120 in-wall-stuff finder:

was 70.00€ without box nor pouch...

you can even find stuff in the dark with screen backlightin' on!

made in Malaysia!


a NOS Fisco 5m tape:

clip already rusted

class II, made in England, what could be better?

price of course! 10€

once again i bought some NOS paintbrushes:

50l of blue metal paint too! expect to see more blue stuff in the coming months!

 

[cosmik binturong]

some misc. stuff:

TOX plugs from Germany(the western part at the time they were made):

got a dozen boxes, like them better than the plastic ones.

some english "precision" marking paint gun:

gotta find a source for those plasticky endcaps though, they tend to clog or get lost quicker than you can empty the can...

small second hand Air Liquide torch:

will probably be useful for heating small parts. or playing with fire...

gotta find all the other parts of the puzzle now...

tape measure i have everyday -or almost every day- on me, from BMI:

quite handy when needed. thnaks Monte for showing it here a few years back!

 

[cosmik binturong]

asked a motorbike mechanic friend if i could borrow his longish 5mm t-handle wrench and he just gave it to me since it was "a bit scruffy" and he had a new set coming;

not so scruffy looking methinks:

shown here in comparison to an old USAG and the modern version, longer and beefier, of it, still made by USAG but Facom-branded:

thnaks!

 

[cosmik binturong]

i'm on a roll here! let's continue!

cheap, used power sheetmetal cutting tools from Trumpf, Hitachi and a small Nibblex:

the Trumpf N160E is the smaller and less powerful in their nibbler range...

Hitachi CE16SA is pretty small too and very easy to control:

haven't tried the Nibblex for now.




let's roll!

 

[SawtoothJL]

I work on mainly classic cars which would be the best for that?


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It really depends on what type of screws you work on most. For slotted screws nothing beats PB Swiss, for Phillips anything of the German brands. I'd honestly just go for whichever you think will fit best in your hand.

 

[Mitkoasd]

Some new stuff from Bulgaria --
Wurth so interesting model grip pliers which i saw for the first time

Nice and cheap for comparsation ratchet wrenches from Virax

Stahlwille 512 ratchet cleaning and lube. P.S. It was just 10 euro in perfect working condition.

 

[brit road garage]

Is the laser tip wera better than the standard wiha? You get more for your money with the wiha


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[SawtoothJL]

They are both good. I prefer the handles of the weras though

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[Blöckw@rt]

My humble Wiha collection (no **** !!!)

 

[dutch79]

Real pics please

OK then Here are 2 of the Hazet 760-2:





Check also:

I also got some (NOS) Hazet 450 wrenches (70's/80's?).
Here are a couple of pics:

 

[Monte]

a couple more would be great so i won't have to constantly switch discs, ROLOCs and brushes.
no Peugeot. ever!
Kress or Stayer? why not... Elu, well, got a sander and it was good, so if i find one NOS maybe.
no 110V here, only 220 and 380V but i'll have one installed for a Kosoku if i get one!

let me know if you somehow can get one of these Kosoku grinder thingies
no Peugeot ?
For Roloc these are great

yeah, the Fein branded Indutec ones are nice and i'm following an auction on eBay.de for one but way out of my meagre monetary means right now...

i´m sure with patience and luck you´ll find one ......hey you got that Rollmaster too, right

beside i already got what i need, no pics again though...

come´on

nice, looks like Gesipa is now kinda swissish(SFS-Intec bought 'em if what the guy i bought screws from is right.)

...their hand riveters have now a small "Made in Germany" badge on the newer packages....i hope it´s a good sign

got some new stuff that was needed for current house work:
Bosch GMS-120 in-wall-stuff finder:

Do these things actually work ?

some misc. stuff:

TOX plugs from Germany(the western part at the time they were made):

wow these are old !! Metal with hemp inside ?? 1950´s ?? 1960´s ??

i'm on a roll here! let's continue!
cheap, used power sheetmetal cutting tools from Trumpf, Hitachi and a small Nibblex:

niiiiiiiiiiiiiiice !

Is the laser tip wera better than the standard wiha? You get more for your money with the wiha

the laser tip will wear faster

My humble Wiha collection (no **** !!!)

OK then Here are 2:

**** !














New Bosch induction charging system for 18 volt tools:
(available fall 2014 in germany)

 

[cosmik binturong]

Try the Wabeco 24400. It weighs 13,5kg! Costs about 150,-€, often less.

nice but i've got what i wanted now, sort of...

New arrivals: Bahco hex screwdrivers ergo in 3, 4, 5, 6 and 8.
Made in Spain (by Irazola).

nice too!

Some new stuff from Bulgaria --
Wurth so interesting model grip pliers which i saw for the first time

wow... looks like it's not available in the two local Würth shops...


did i already post the big mouthed SAM?

Is the laser tip wera better than the standard wiha? You get more for your money with the wiha

laser tip won't stay laser tip for long...

OK then Here are 2:

what??? no blue handles in the pics???

are those made in house by Hazet or subcontracted to another german plier maker?

mac_intosh, do you have the answer to that question or is that a trade secret???

let me know if you somehow can get one of these Kosoku grinder thingies

as soon i i open the box if i ever get a box with one inside...

no Peugeot ?

nope. never. ever.

For Roloc these are great

oh yes! it would be better with air but i won't be getting a compressor in the near future. or maybe not...

i´m sure with patience and luck you´ll find one ......hey you got that Rollmaster too, right

come´on

will get it tomorrow if all goes according to plan!

...their hand riveters have now a small "Made in Germany" badge on the newer packages....i hope it´s a good sign

good sign and good company too, SFS-Intec does produce some great quality first stuff.

Do these things actually work ?

at least i'm still alive after going after electrical lines in the walls, so...

wow these are old !! Metal with hemp inside ?? 1950´s ?? 1960´s ??

hey! shut up! or all the druggies will be trying to steal my hemp filled plugs now!

don't know how old they are but older than me is a sure thing.

the laser tip will wear faster

those Bosches are way to good lookin'...

my biggie Fein is definitely not so cute:

won't win any beauty contest but, for grinding stuff up, like they say in Texas, that dog will hunt!

 

[brit road garage]

Looks like the wiha then


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[carbon]

Some new stuff from Bulgaria --
Wurth so interesting model grip pliers which i saw for the first time

These are a rebrand of C.H. Hanson's pliers. The ones with the red rubber thingy are the new ones, the black rubber ones are the old ones. I own both. With the new ones they made the adjustment screw righty=tighty (was backward on the old ones) and they also made some subtle ergonomic changes to make it a bit easier to squeeze. The teeth on the old curved one I own are much sharper and better than the teeth on the flat straight jaw new design. I don't know if this is because it's flat vs curved function-dictated or . I don't own a new curved jaw.

I can't remember where they're made; probably asia. Either way, I love them and they work very well.

 

[BK13]

All the Hansens I've seen here were PRC.

 

[node105]

currently on ebay uk

Hazet tool trolleys (4 of) Volkswagon, Beetle, Split Screen

Pick up only unfortunately, otherwise...

 

[Jure]

nothing fancy,just some of the tools i have bought in the last few days,i really like the Gedore's classic pipe pliers!

Unior 1/2 Torx sockets
Gedore pipe pliers
Hazet magnetic bowl (Taiwan right?)
Hazet 630 14-15mm
Matador 200 (Germany) 13-17mm
Matador 3/8 hex sockets 4,5,7,8 (Germany)
Gedore 1B 10mm and 13mm
Gedore 7UR 6mm
Gedore No2 10-11mm
Gedore feeler gauge
Gedore thread gauge
Unior 110 10-13mm open end
Used USAG adj Wrench

and still waiting for Stahlwille stabil 20 deep offset 10-13mm

 

[Dave455]

It's between these sets [/url] http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/aw/d/B00...7921?qid=1400423168&sr=8-22&pi=AC_SX110_SY165 http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/aw/d/B004H4EFF6?pc_redir=1399838838&robot_redir=1 I do automotive work so I don't need pozinwhich set would you go for?


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If I had to choose between these, probably the Hazet, but they both have soft handles, which I'd avoid!

Are you sure you won't want a Pozi! My No.2 Pozi is probably my most commonly used driver. Standard on most European or British cars!

 

[brit road garage]

Will wait and see I can always buy a few individuals, ever heard if vessel screwdrivers?


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[CrustyD3mon]

Just Join some used old Facom tools in great shape to my collection...

The adjustable plier, black edition to join to the ones that i showed last week:

And The small screwdriver, to join to the bigger one that i already have:

Anyone knows where i found a used black edidion long nose plier?

 

[Lasu]

What do you want to pay ??
the retail price was 379.-€ but i can give you a good price. I can send you some recent pics if you want, there is a little bit dirt here and there and a few scratches and rust spots

late reply,, I found one a little older metabo in good condition,also variable speed.

Still need to buy a new collet for the 8mm shaft dia burrs,stones etc.

 

[superautobacs]

thx 4 the link ! never heard of that place ! That would be awesome to see that forging hammer in action ! Maybe i can make it there since i´d like to visit the "cutlery saturday" in Solingen in august. How did you got that www adress ?

"Cutlery Saturday" in Solingen!? What's that about?
Are you going to start collecting fine knives, too?


I got the web address from the latest issue of Factory Gear Magazine that I got a few weeks ago. Mr. Factory Gear went to Germany again and he visited that site. One day I scan them and post it.

 

[JDSV]

I got the web address from the latest issue of Factory Gear Magazine that I got a few weeks ago. Mr. Factory Gear went to Germany again and he visited that site. One day I scan them and post it.

Is that volume 7 of the FG Magazine? I picked up a copy while I was there, and the write-up on the zero degree double box end wrenches is really pushing me toward the KTC wrenches. Wish they also compared the TONE ones but oh well...

 

[user.nr.1]

The mystery tool from Wera.
What is it ?
Solution tomorrow.