Tools from the old world
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Which one is the oil plug wrench? The one in the top left corner?
It's like one of those dog bone wrenches
It's like one of those dog bone wrenches
some different tools... Böcker magnetic pick up tool, stahlwille pipe cutter, Hazet gasket scraper, Pferd files, Hazet valve holder, Kirschen chisel, Dako + Belzer scrapers , Jokari wire strippers, Facom door trim tool and Gedore oil plug wrench
yes, here`s a better pic:
Also avail. from Hazet, square drive sockets are not very common over here.
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Gedore 299 Drain plug wrench
• For square bungs on engine pumps, tanks and drums for oil and chemicals, in nine common sizes
• GEDORE vanadium steel 31CrV3, chrome-plated
• 5 square pieces: 8.7, 9.5, 10.5, 11.5, 13 mm
• 4 conical pieces: 6.8-8.7, 10.5-13, 15.2-18, 16.5-19 mm
• One screwdriver blade: 5.5 x 18 mm
Also avail. from Hazet, square drive sockets are not very common over here.
Description:
Gedore 299 Drain plug wrench
• For square bungs on engine pumps, tanks and drums for oil and chemicals, in nine common sizes
• GEDORE vanadium steel 31CrV3, chrome-plated
• 5 square pieces: 8.7, 9.5, 10.5, 11.5, 13 mm
• 4 conical pieces: 6.8-8.7, 10.5-13, 15.2-18, 16.5-19 mm
• One screwdriver blade: 5.5 x 18 mm
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The 40mm Halder (20 euro) recoilless is what i need most, before i had the 30mm Habero ( 8,16 euro @ ebay) , the Hazet rubber hammer was for free, the Belzer hammer only 3,33 euro , the Wiha is a couple of years old and it`s a good hammer (rubber insert and plastic insert) but I thought i get another one because it was only 10 euro 
and it has the white nylon insert and i plan to buy the soft metal insert so i have 2 hammers w/ 4 different inserts...
ohh and it`s a Halder Simplex which is the original soft face hammer so i thought i buy it just because of this reason too
And all together for just about 60 bucks is a good price.....
ooops i forgot the 60mm recoilless Halder which i have to form metal..
and it has the white nylon insert and i plan to buy the soft metal insert so i have 2 hammers w/ 4 different inserts...ohh and it`s a Halder Simplex which is the original soft face hammer so i thought i buy it just because of this reason too
And all together for just about 60 bucks is a good price.....
ooops i forgot the 60mm recoilless Halder which i have to form metal..
Uncle Buck
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You know that any German movie made in 1945 would have to been Nazi propaganda?
Uncle Buck
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Sears unsuccesfully tried to sell those a few years back. I do not think they had much success cause they were in the catalog one year, and gone the next!
beelsr
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Irazola is an hour away from heaven on earth - Donostia! That's so cool, I'll have to finagle a factory tour next time in the Basque Country.... 
¡de nada! ¡con mucho gusto!
billymade
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I don't know a whole lot of German but from what I could tell (I usually, can get the gist of what they are talking about), I didn't detect any overly propagandistic nationalistic commentary.... maybe our German friends can confirm this. Visually, I didn't see anything that indicated this was a uniquely war effort or home front oriented film; is it possible, this was post WWII 1945? From what I can tell, it was concentrating on the production process of the vises, build quality methods, putting them together and their eventual delivery to the end user... I've seen allot of Nazi propaganda from newsreels to Leni Rifenstahl's "triumph of the will" and this didn't seem to quite follow those types of films; nor did the imagery, have over National Socialist leanings. However, if it was during the war; you could make the argument that any/all production was for the war effort and the fatherland! The film seem devoid of these sentiments. Comments from our German speaking friends appreciated!
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beelsr
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and here are some german tool pics of my own....
My favorite "german tool", the magic that is Ballistol. From Hitler's personal tonic to scrubbing black-power barrells - true magic.
Here's a pair of Merceds Benz wrenches (1 Walter & 1 Matador), included because I paid a whopping 50c for the pair. I've always wondered how you'd turn a properly torqued 17mm fastener with a wrench that small...
A couple of the bigger Hazets I have. I love how these are thin and yet, never have rounded/slipped or spread. I swear my John Deere runs better when I use the Hazets on it...
I guess the tool polishers would go nuts that I've destroyed any collectibility by actually {gasp} using the wrench and wearing off the decal.
I think these are my favorite metric wrenches. They are so light and feel so good in hand, I use them even when I don't need the offset. But when you do need the offset, these go DEEP!
And an artsy shot for the tool polishers.
Here's an example from a set of wrenches I scored from an old job. Computer hardware tech company decided to get out of the business and laid us all off in a surprise post-lunch friday meeting (happy weekend MFers!). The 2 other techs & I decided to split up all the tools in the shop. I was the FNG so I got these wrenches....
Y ou can make out "India" if you look closely so you know whaat's coming up in the next pic....
No marking of "Gedore" on the wrench but here's the vinyl rollup. I do have to say that they have worked pretty well. I haven't pushed them too hard but they do the job without fuss, the chrome isn't flaking or peeling and since even before I knew they were "magical german tools of myth and yore", I treated them pretty badly. Baby them a little more since they are Indian (like my Gramps).
My favorite "german tool", the magic that is Ballistol. From Hitler's personal tonic to scrubbing black-power barrells - true magic.
Here's a pair of Merceds Benz wrenches (1 Walter & 1 Matador), included because I paid a whopping 50c for the pair. I've always wondered how you'd turn a properly torqued 17mm fastener with a wrench that small...
A couple of the bigger Hazets I have. I love how these are thin and yet, never have rounded/slipped or spread. I swear my John Deere runs better when I use the Hazets on it...
I guess the tool polishers would go nuts that I've destroyed any collectibility by actually {gasp} using the wrench and wearing off the decal.
I think these are my favorite metric wrenches. They are so light and feel so good in hand, I use them even when I don't need the offset. But when you do need the offset, these go DEEP!
And an artsy shot for the tool polishers.
Here's an example from a set of wrenches I scored from an old job. Computer hardware tech company decided to get out of the business and laid us all off in a surprise post-lunch friday meeting (happy weekend MFers!). The 2 other techs & I decided to split up all the tools in the shop. I was the FNG so I got these wrenches....
Y ou can make out "India" if you look closely so you know whaat's coming up in the next pic....
No marking of "Gedore" on the wrench but here's the vinyl rollup. I do have to say that they have worked pretty well. I haven't pushed them too hard but they do the job without fuss, the chrome isn't flaking or peeling and since even before I knew they were "magical german tools of myth and yore", I treated them pretty badly. Baby them a little more since they are Indian (like my Gramps).
Sorry didn`t want to spread nazi propaganda here
But actually the movie doesn`t even say "Germany" or that these are arian superior products or **** like that . The narrator only tells what you see in the movie and explains what they do and so on..... it seems its a news show which was shown in cinemas back then because there was no TV and the production of the vises already started again after the war ends to rebuild germany since you need a couple of vices to do that
Thats what the website says:
"After the second world war, work begun at Brockhaus Heuer on new products with great dedication. At the time of the German recovery, vices were in greater demand than ever. Among other things, the etiquette "Made in Germany" for technical products made for worldwide success.
A word on "Made in Germany": HEUER vices have been made in Germany alone for more than 80 years. "
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But actually the movie doesn`t even say "Germany" or that these are arian superior products or **** like that . The narrator only tells what you see in the movie and explains what they do and so on..... it seems its a news show which was shown in cinemas back then because there was no TV and the production of the vises already started again after the war ends to rebuild germany since you need a couple of vices to do that
Thats what the website says:
"After the second world war, work begun at Brockhaus Heuer on new products with great dedication. At the time of the German recovery, vices were in greater demand than ever. Among other things, the etiquette "Made in Germany" for technical products made for worldwide success.
A word on "Made in Germany": HEUER vices have been made in Germany alone for more than 80 years. "
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billymade
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So, even with my extremely limited German, "ein bisschen deutsch"; I was right on the money, it seemed like a post WWII "rebuild" Marshall Plan type of movie. Hmmm, not bad, eh?
@beelsr: wow those Wille "stabil" wrenches look awesome ! never saw them in person.... They`re on sale until april......maybe.... hmm...
Can`t go wrong with the Gedore wrenches since they have a "full life time" warranty... maybe they will exchange them with german made ones if a wrench breaks ?
Can`t go wrong with the Gedore wrenches since they have a "full life time" warranty...
maybe they will exchange them with german made ones if a wrench breaks ? beelsr
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i love them. every time i pick them up, i think of Tolkein and say to myself: this is what it must feel like to pick up an elven blade. They're surprisingly light...
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Uncle Buck
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However, if it was during the war; you could make the argument that any/all production was for the war effort and the fatherland!
That is exactly the angle I was looking at it from.
Uncle Buck
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Sorry didn`t want to spread nazi propaganda here
I did not mean it like it was a big deal or something, more an observation of the time frame than anything. Really, no big deal at all, we are talking about tools here right.
Theo
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I did not mean it like it was a big deal or something, more an observation of the time frame than anything. Really, no big deal at all, we are talking about tools here right.
Agreed.
It's more of a point of interest that the video was made during the tail end of the Nazi era in my opinion. It made me stop and consider that I usually think of the "war effort" in terms of making munitions, or equipment. It got me thinking about just how huge the war effort must have been on either side. It wasn't all tanks and planes and bombs. People have to make sure there were tools and equipment available to manufacture and maintain the effort as well.
Thanks for posting the clip!
That's just how I feel!
The Stahlwilles are so supernaturally light. They're the only wrenches I've held that are like that. It must be some exotic alloy. It feels like half-way between steel and aluminum. Despite being superlight, they sure are plenty strong enough.
I've got a set of "Stabil" box wrenches and "Open Box" extra-long combination wrenches.
Stahlwilles are exotic in a lot of ways: the finish is special and the shape is special (on the Open Box combination wrenches the open-end is off at an odd angle).
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sweet ! I like the new cobra design
Every now and then you see people (in TV shows ) who cuts sheet metal with air chisels.... looks really ugly....
Not from the old world...but they`re my crown jewels
Gedore asian style
stuff sourced from the global market german sockets, chinese wrench , french hose + coupling
Every now and then you see people (in TV shows
) who cuts sheet metal with air chisels.... looks really ugly.... Not from the old world...but they`re my crown jewels
Gedore asian style
stuff sourced from the global market
german sockets, chinese wrench , french hose + couplingporschedude996TT
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I have one odd tool that I must share with you all. What is odd about it is the shaft cross section. I got it from an Italian mechanic that worked for Cometto Industrial. He came out when his company delivered the Orbiter Transporter System (OTS) to the Air Force at Vandenberg AFB, CA. That was back in 1984. I was one of the three that drove the OTS back then before it was shipped to KSC.
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Not from the old world...but they`re my crown jewels
You're right. The Snap On S936 is still the ratchet to beat.
I gotta get me one of those!GDA
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Just picked up a few more and here's my progress on completing a Hazet 450 metric wrench set. Here's 8 to 41 with a few gaps
Wow! those are cool.
The new 450Ns are nice, but the old ones are cooler.
I never see the old hazet 450s. You've even got one that's even earlier with the numbers not in boxes and the "1" with a very long overhang like a European hand-written 1.
They must be from the 50's-60's? I wish Hazet used date stamps like Snap On does
I found this pic on the web of really early wrenches from the 50's from a Porsche 356 site.
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@gda
Nice Set...
Made a nice deal this week. A Hazet die grinder for 59 Euro...list price is about 101 Euro...tool is new and I bought it in a regular store.
Same store sold me this nice Knipex 200mm side cutter...own 3 side cutters and everyone has only a lenght of 160 mm....sometime to short.
Nice Set...
Made a nice deal this week. A Hazet die grinder for 59 Euro...list price is about 101 Euro...tool is new and I bought it in a regular store.
Same store sold me this nice Knipex 200mm side cutter...own 3 side cutters and everyone has only a lenght of 160 mm....sometime to short.
billymade
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Hawk321, so what is the deal on Hazet air tools? Does Hazet just OEM them from third party sources or are they actually made by Hazet and designed by Hazet? Do they say "made in Germany" on them? Some of their air tools look like familiar designs, possibly rebadged oem's; what kind of warranty to they have, do they offer rebuilding services after the sale and are they a quality tool, that will hold up to use? I have certainly never seen any in the USA but I have seen them, when I am drooling over the Hazet .pdf catalog online! Inquiring minds want to know!
Inquiring minds want to know! @billy
This is not SEARS!
Air tools are rebadged....found them at Pneutec and they buy all tool from somewhere (often Made in Japan)...
On my Hazet die grinder stand nothing of the origin...only the zip code from Hazet Remscheid....
The deal is, it's half of the list price. Hazet Air tools are fine and will normaly hold a lot of years...you get every spare parts you want...but you can't compare it to the Sears service....
This is not SEARS!
Air tools are rebadged....found them at Pneutec and they buy all tool from somewhere (often Made in Japan)...
On my Hazet die grinder stand nothing of the origin...only the zip code from Hazet Remscheid....
The deal is, it's half of the list price. Hazet Air tools are fine and will normaly hold a lot of years...you get every spare parts you want...but you can't compare it to the Sears service....
They are not made by Hazet. Hazet introduced the Air tool range to get some market share back from declining hand tool sales because of all the imports (thats what the salesman told me) . At least some of them seem to come from a company named "Gison" click
The Hazet air tools come with a exploded view and all parts can be purchased. They also have a service center for repair and calibration of the torque wrenches, maintance and repair of the pneumatic tools, tool boxes etc.
Here are some various types of what you can buy over here which looks like the same to me (except the different Hazet safety lever)...:
the last pic shows the Gison product.
i own these tools from them. I use both grinders frequently as you can see, they work fine. I mainly choosed them because of the speed dial (yellow ring) . Sometimes you don`t need the full speed (cleaning discs/surface conditioning discs, flap discs, some wire wheels) and then this feature is handy. (Normally you have to use a screwdriver to adjust the speed , or there is no regulator valve at all)
The Hazet air tools come with a exploded view and all parts can be purchased. They also have a service center for repair and calibration of the torque wrenches, maintance and repair of the pneumatic tools, tool boxes etc.
Here are some various types of what you can buy over here which looks like the same to me (except the different Hazet safety lever)...:
the last pic shows the Gison product.
i own these tools from them. I use both grinders frequently as you can see, they work fine. I mainly choosed them because of the speed dial (yellow ring) . Sometimes you don`t need the full speed (cleaning discs/surface conditioning discs, flap discs, some wire wheels) and then this feature is handy. (Normally you have to use a screwdriver to adjust the speed , or there is no regulator valve at all)
They are not made by Hazet. Hazet introduced the Air tool range to get some market share back from declining hand tool sales because of all the imports (thats what the salesman told me) . At least some of them seem to come from a company named "Gison" click
Hey, that's funny, Air Craft's parent company, Stuermer Maschinen is our customer for magnetic drilling machines (for their "Metallkraft brand). Their boss, Killian Stuermer just visited our factory last week.
Small world....
superautobacs
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With the internet under his fingertips, everybodies identity is under scrutiny
You're creeping me out.
are you a detective or Shirlock Holmes or something?
Or maybe GDR secret police?
Lee Yeong supplies lots of prestigious European brands, such as Mirka in Finland, Dimas and Husqvarna in Sweden, Evolution, Hamilton and Magbroach in the UK, Skil and Dremel in Holland, Virax (Facom) and Metland in France, Spit (Heger), Routexport and Contimac in Belgium, Rurmec and Rockflex in Italy, Bosch, Stuermer, Walter, Wuerth and Storch in Germany Virutex in Spain, etc. etc....
Anyway, since this thread is about tools from the old world, I think I should make my contribution. Part One. Most of my tools are German made.
Ok. I'll admit it, I'm a German tool snob... There, I've said it.
Here are some chisels, pin punches and drifts by Benscheidt and Heynen
are you a detective or Shirlock Holmes or something?
Or maybe GDR secret police?
Lee Yeong supplies lots of prestigious European brands, such as Mirka in Finland, Dimas and Husqvarna in Sweden, Evolution, Hamilton and Magbroach in the UK, Skil and Dremel in Holland, Virax (Facom) and Metland in France, Spit (Heger), Routexport and Contimac in Belgium, Rurmec and Rockflex in Italy, Bosch, Stuermer, Walter, Wuerth and Storch in Germany Virutex in Spain, etc. etc....
Anyway, since this thread is about tools from the old world, I think I should make my contribution. Part One. Most of my tools are German made.
Ok. I'll admit it, I'm a German tool snob... There, I've said it.
Here are some chisels, pin punches and drifts by Benscheidt and Heynen
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