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Elora inhex sockets 1/4" drive
starter wrenches,
flare nut wrenches (line wrenches)
and a few L-hex keys.
DIN wrenches.
I really like Elora products. They're not so expensive, but really very lovely.
starter wrenches,
flare nut wrenches (line wrenches)
and a few L-hex keys.
DIN wrenches.
I really like Elora products. They're not so expensive, but really very lovely.
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Garage_Mahal
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Man, those look nice. Are they pricey?Here are my Schroeder tools.
You know, when I see tools I want, I get all slack-jawed and drooly and I just pay the man anything.
But seriously, Schroeder are about similar in price to Wiha. For example, I think the no.2 PH driver was like 250NT, which is about $8.00 US
But seriously, Schroeder are about similar in price to Wiha. For example, I think the no.2 PH driver was like 250NT, which is about $8.00 US
Here's My Hilti TE 2-M Rotary Hammer
Made in Liechtenstein!!!
Watch out! These days a lot of Hiltis are made in China. Always look at nameplate for the country of origin.
On Dewalts they put the "Made in China" in TINY letters written vertically in a faint color. They're keeping their fingers crossed that no one will notice
Made in Liechtenstein!!!
Watch out! These days a lot of Hiltis are made in China. Always look at nameplate for the country of origin.
On Dewalts they put the "Made in China" in TINY letters written vertically in a faint color. They're keeping their fingers crossed that no one will notice
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This is my set of Facom screwdrivers. They come in this handy tool roll.
These are the nicest feeling screwdrivers I've ever used. They look wierd, but they fit your hand.
And, against all odds, they're actually made in France!!!
Buy them up before Stanley closes every last Facom factory in France...Hurry!
These are the nicest feeling screwdrivers I've ever used. They look wierd, but they fit your hand.
And, against all odds, they're actually made in France!!!
Buy them up before Stanley closes every last Facom factory in France...Hurry!
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Stahlwille 14 series "Openbox" extra-long combination wrenches.
These are really comfortable wrenches. They have an I-beam cross section and nice and wide. The finish is smooth without being high polished.
They are a bit funny-looking, though. The open ends are off at an odd angle.
I bought this set new-in-box (maybe that's why they're called "open box"
)
anyway, even though they came as a set from the factory, they don't really match.
The lengths aren't proportional. For example, the 11mm is just as long as the 12mm. And some have the size stamped on the open jaws and one others it's cast in the shank. A few have letters cast in the shank, others do not.
Regardless of all the mysteries, they're still really nice wrenches.
And man, they are so supernaturally light. It's spooky.
If you have a chance to heft one some time, you'll see what I mean.
These are really comfortable wrenches. They have an I-beam cross section and nice and wide. The finish is smooth without being high polished.
They are a bit funny-looking, though. The open ends are off at an odd angle.
I bought this set new-in-box (maybe that's why they're called "open box"
)anyway, even though they came as a set from the factory, they don't really match.
The lengths aren't proportional. For example, the 11mm is just as long as the 12mm. And some have the size stamped on the open jaws and one others it's cast in the shank. A few have letters cast in the shank, others do not.
Regardless of all the mysteries, they're still really nice wrenches.
And man, they are so supernaturally light. It's spooky.
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superautobacs
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Thanks for the great pics!
I agree with the lightness of Stahlwille wrenches, too. I should probably put it on a scale to see how it weighs against a similar size.
Can you tell us why the Metabo angle grinder is the industry best?
I agree with the lightness of Stahlwille wrenches, too. I should probably put it on a scale to see how it weighs against a similar size.
Can you tell us why the Metabo angle grinder is the industry best?
Like 1 or 1,5 yrs. ago i was looking for a magnetic drill and i also found your company it was clear that you are the supplier because of the same design and because metallkraft/sturmer is no manufacturer ( except their "Optimum" stuff ) . After i searched the web and found all those ""Manufacturers"" and brands like Alfra, BDS, Euroboor, Powerbor, Evolution, GTW, Hougen, Jancy, Magforce, Rotabroach, Durabore, Magbroach, Magnetor, Optibohr, Ruko,Bux, Promotech, Promac, Unibor, WAB, Magtron, Nitto Kohki just to name a few...
in the end it was clear there are only a few real manufacturers out there like Fein, Hougen , Nitto kohki, lee yeong, Eibenstock etc. (+chinese). Every now and then mag drills come equipped with makita or hitachi motors some use AEG/Atlas-copco/milwaukee motors but most of all manufacturers/brands use "Eibenstock" motors/machines .You even find Eibenstock in the Dewalt lineup and also wholesalers put their name on them and then you find them under the "Fakkt" or "Primat" brand too. Bosch also buys from them klick and even Makita has "Eibenstock" power tools in their lineup klick and klick
. So thats a pretty impressive list of established and well respected customers (Bosch,Dewalt, Makita, Ruko,BDS, Alfra, Magnetor,Euroboor, Fakkt,Primat,Unibor (=Nitto Kohki/Japan) , Magbroach,optibohr, ....etc...)
so back then i made the decision if I get a mag drill then a rebadged Eibenstock machine namely the MAB 485 from BDS because the price/value is better than from the others. ok they are more expensive then metallkraft machines but only a few bucks but since they`re Made in Germany (since 1919) its ok to pay more .....and i also don`t like those mishmash grocery store like companies like sturmer where you don`t know which quality you buy since they source their tools from everywhere like china (drill presses, bench grinders ) ,italy (belt grinders,compressors, some wood working machines), czech (bandsaws and woodworking tools) and turkey (www.durmazlar.com.tr).
And to judge just from the looks most is **** like their cold saws with one of the most wavy machine-beds i ever saw, horrible paint job, the switch almost fell out... ( eventually made by ttmcklick but motor says MACC klick license build ?) and i don`t even want to start to comment on the wavy cast parts which are hidden under bondo (!!) and their cheap drill presses because i would get sued if they read it hehe
PS: if someone is interested Eibenstock is also available in the USA for example here: click
The companies HP: http://www.eibenstock.com/
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Here's my Metabo grinder. Metabo definitely makes the best grinders. (and Hilti definitely makes the best rotary hammers)
Take that from an industry insider.
@alfajuj: nice exotic (Bollmann, Benscheidt,will, schröder...) collection !
ps: i thought DUSS www.duss.de makes the best hammers ?
"All" the metalworkers over here swear by their Fein angle grinders...what do you think about Fein ? and also Flex, Suhner and Kress angle grinders ?
(since i saw that you now offer some products which originated by flex and fein i bet you have their tools in your examination room !?)
Yes, Fein is absolutely awesome stuff. But truly expensive.
They do things in an old-school cost-no-object kind of way. Like Mercedes-
Benz in the old days. If you have the money, you can't go wrong with Fein.
Flex has excellent electronic speed control. They've definitely done their homework on that. We don't agree with how they set their gearing for most applications, though.
And I still think Metabo has the edge over Flex in electronics.
We haven't done any testing with either Suhner or Kress. So I don't have anything to say about them.
We are always looking to create niche type tools. So our analysis of tools like angle grinders is with special applications in mind.
Regarding magnetic drills, yes, Eibenstock makes many of the motors used on European mag drills. But the magnetic stands of almost all the European mag drills is a company in Poland called Promotech http://www.promotech.eu/ They started out as a magnet manufacturer and, as the story goes, got into making mag stands when Jancy went over to Poland looking for a lower cost source. Jancy taught them how to make mag stands and they ran with it.
Most mag drill brands are primarily cutter manufacturers and wanted to sell the machines to promote the sale of their cutters. The bigger money is in the cutters, since they're consumables.
They do things in an old-school cost-no-object kind of way. Like Mercedes-
Benz in the old days. If you have the money, you can't go wrong with Fein.
Flex has excellent electronic speed control. They've definitely done their homework on that. We don't agree with how they set their gearing for most applications, though.
And I still think Metabo has the edge over Flex in electronics.
We haven't done any testing with either Suhner or Kress. So I don't have anything to say about them.
We are always looking to create niche type tools. So our analysis of tools like angle grinders is with special applications in mind.
Regarding magnetic drills, yes, Eibenstock makes many of the motors used on European mag drills. But the magnetic stands of almost all the European mag drills is a company in Poland called Promotech http://www.promotech.eu/ They started out as a magnet manufacturer and, as the story goes, got into making mag stands when Jancy went over to Poland looking for a lower cost source. Jancy taught them how to make mag stands and they ran with it.
Most mag drill brands are primarily cutter manufacturers and wanted to sell the machines to promote the sale of their cutters. The bigger money is in the cutters, since they're consumables.
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Here are the Hazet 2593-1 and 2593-21 combo, a special tool to install and remove the front struts on some VW cars.
I bought them to work on the telelever front suspension ball joint of my BMW R1150R (motorcycle). The cutout on the socket body will allow the 7mm hex handle to hold the stud while you are torquing/loosening the nut.
I bought them to work on the telelever front suspension ball joint of my BMW R1150R (motorcycle). The cutout on the socket body will allow the 7mm hex handle to hold the stud while you are torquing/loosening the nut.
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I would like to share my Gedore pics.
It seems from this forum that in the US, Gedore tools are the made in India ones and that they are not good at all.
All the Gedore I see in Taiwan are always the German and Austrian (pliers) production. I've heard that there is also Gedore made in South Africa, but I've never seen these.
Here are some Gedore model 1B combination wrenches.
They have a very deep offset on the box end, deeper than any other combination wrench I've seen.
They are really special looking I love the rib that extends from the open end down part of the shank.
That style is originally from J.H. Williams (USA) in the early 1950's. The pic is from the site http://alloy-artifacts.com Very elegant!
It seems from this forum that in the US, Gedore tools are the made in India ones and that they are not good at all.
All the Gedore I see in Taiwan are always the German and Austrian (pliers) production. I've heard that there is also Gedore made in South Africa, but I've never seen these.
Here are some Gedore model 1B combination wrenches.
They have a very deep offset on the box end, deeper than any other combination wrench I've seen.
They are really special looking I love the rib that extends from the open end down part of the shank.
That style is originally from J.H. Williams (USA) in the early 1950's. The pic is from the site http://alloy-artifacts.com Very elegant!
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Can you show us that Stahlwille tool box?
Here are the Hazet 2593-1 and 2593-21 combo, a special tool to install and remove the front struts on some VW cars.
I bought them to work on the telelever front suspension ball joint of my BMW R1150R (motorcycle). The cutout on the socket body will allow the 7mm hex handle to hold the stud while you are torquing/loosening the nut.
Thanks for showing. It is a beauty. I have a Hazet box that is identical to that except for the color. Must be the same manufacturer. I don't have it here with me to photograph.
It is a 3 trays box. I live in an apartment and I use it to transfer tools that I need from my cart in the house to my car/bikes at the basement carpark when I work on them.
Some of the pics when she is new
Uncle Buck
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Nice looking old school box there, even if it is foreign!
zuspiel
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Hey, you got your user name changed! 
Uncle Buck
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Hey, you got your user name changed!
I have been wanting it made official for a while. Now thanks to SUPERMODERATOR BMW I got it changed in the blink of an eye! (you were the first to notice!)
Every now and then i have to drill a couple of big holes into 6mm sheet metal (up to 57mm) ... but to use a hand drill is too annoying for the machine and the user.....
Also my lifeplan says that i want my own metalworking shop ...
I already have a couple of tools together, like the Klaeger machine saw, Grit belt grinder, Merkle 350Amp. MIG welder , Messer Griesheim 390A TIG/stick welder, Bosch bench grinder and Kaeser SX4 screw compressor w/ 53 gallon tank. So that whats still missing is a mag drill....
I'm in a similar situation here in Taiwan. Living in an appartment and having to decide which tools you're going to need and then carrying them down to the basement. Then when you get halfway through the job, you need to make a trip to get something else, and then you're worried someone will steal something, etc. You need things to be portable but as complete and convenient as possible.
That's why I had a special tool roll custom made for my 30 piece set of Hazet 603s. I like things that can go in tool rolls or the socket sets in cases, etc.
Here they are. The mother or all combination wrench sets in a giant roll.
Many of these larger sizes are no longer made by Hazet in the 603 model. Now they're just in the 600N model.
The 603 is nice because it has a lot of offset on the box end and it isn't too long. That can be useful sometimes. They are an older model and they don't have flank drive on the box end.
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I don't know whether you need a big mag drill (maybe 100mm cutters, no.3 morse taper arbor, reversing switch for tapping etc.) or a small one (maybe 35mm capacity).
If I were in the market for a mag drill, I would look at the new Alfras with variable height slide. That is a very good feature to have. (I can tell you, being their competitor, we were impressed when we saw it!) They come in 40mm, 60mm and 100mm sizes, models Rotabest 40RQ, 60, 100.
If you need tapping function they have reversible models 40RL-E, 60RL-E and 100RL-E. My only concern with the Alfra is the membrane switches they use. It seems a very inappropriate choice for the application. But they've been using them for years and years.
I also like the BDS mag drills. They are a top quality machine also and definitely worth a look. But the Alfra has them beat with the variable height slide.
If I were located in Germany and looking at a mag drills, that's what I would look at.
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