Tools from the old world

[Champo]

finally found some swiss made wiha pliers:

EDIT: HUGE PHOTOS

 

[Miskin]

Does anyone knows if this bit is ok for my Bosch GDR impact driver?

https://www.werk10.com/Bits-E6/PB-E6-192-PZ::262.html?XTCsid=hi3emogchttn783via27f6dl66

I allready order some Wera Impactor, but i'm fan of PB Swiss and i want to test them.

 

[rice rocket]

New Suhner cordless tools

Interesting.

I'd like to see more variable speed versions of these tools though. I know Metabo has the electronics since they have variable speeds on their angle grinders, but maybe not the cordless versions.

 

[Laro13]

i don´t know
I guess for occasional hobby work it might be ok.

However the reality is that tests show that this type of power tool ("no name") only last a few hours. For example in the last test of angle grinders from a german test magazine the tools sometimes last less than 10 hours (Meister Basic) or between 17 (Budget ) and 23 hours (Bonus ). Skil, Bosch Green, Metabo etc. are often the better choice for DIY users if they want a tool which last longer.

Thanks, Monte!
I should have none better. I think I once bought a Parkside belt-sander and the bearings made more grinding noise than it sanded well.

 

[Monte]

My Dad bought a pair of Parkside angle grinders, the 4 1/2" lasted not long, the 9" did better but then the soft start blew up, we removed that module but it draws so much on start up it pops a lot of plug fuses. The cheapest grinders from the known brands are only a bit more expensive so I buy those mostly.

this is also what i would recommend...the price is only slightly higher but the lifetime multiple times higher. In this report about the 50th birthday of Black + Decker in Germany they say a B+D tool should last 50 hours while a Dewalt tool should last a minimum of 600 hours.

Interesting.

I'd like to see more variable speed versions of these tools though. I know Metabo has the electronics since they have variable speeds on their angle grinders, but maybe not the cordless versions.

i think the cordless tools don´t have speed dial. There was something with the motors or batteries why this don´t work.

Thanks, Monte!
I should have none better. I think I once bought a Parkside belt-sander and the bearings made more grinding noise than it sanded well.

hey but at least it worked














Lockweiler drawer cabinet/organiser

 

[Jure]

hazet and toptul magnetic trays,compared to toptul hazet is piece of ****,its made of cheap fragile chinese plastic,they used the same magnet as toptul but with plastic magnetic force is noticeably weaker then combo with inox like toptul used...price is pretty much the same...

NOS husquarna axe (made by wetterlings for husquarna)

and this piece made my gf's grandpa

i think this one is 50's golla (made in CZ but i can be wrong)

and vintage Rahsol 6mm 1/4. from 60's i think..

 

[neophyte]

Does anybody know if Metabo uses a 46mm +/- collar on their angle grinders were the guard attaches? By 46mm I mean that something like 45mm would also be fine.

 

[rice rocket]

Maybe? But my Metabo has a keyed guard on it, so it only slides on/off at a precise alignment to prevent the guard from slipping off during use. It also has detents are preset angles with a spring loaded lock pin/wedge.

 

[neophyte]

Maybe? But my Metabo has a keyed guard on it, so it only slides on/off at a precise alignment to prevent the guard from slipping off during use. It also has detents are preset angles with a spring loaded lock pin/wedge.

I'm looking for a special guard type to fit another grinder. I believe the special guards may not have the keys built in since they're not adjusted much. Even if it does have the keys I can likely grind the keys off. The diameter is the main thing I'm wondering about since most guards are formed steel and made for a smaller diameter collar which makes them unmodifiable without significant effort for use on grinders with a larger collar.

 

[Jure]

lol Pressol grease guns are made in china and assembled in germany??

http://www.janathasteels.com/products.php?pg=4&lim=60&cid=7

 

[Kirbot]

These arrived today courtesy of some way over enthusiastic customer service from Stanley.
http://www.garagejournal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=151166

I've get to say... I've owned and handled a lot of different, and really nice ratchets....
But I've never had one quite so..... **** as the J.174

This one has a long term home in my box, no doubt.

Even the little J151A surprised me though. It's a lot thinner than the palm control style. And it's the smoothest ratchet I've ever seen. Smoother than an F80 even.

 

[Monte]

hazet is piece of ****

i like mine

Does anybody know if Metabo uses a 46mm +/- collar on their angle grinders were the guard attaches? By 46mm I mean that something like 45mm would also be fine.

ca. 49.5mm OD. there is a thinner ring in the middle of the collar (46mm)

lol Pressol grease guns are made in china and assembled in germany??

ours say Made in EU (they have a factory in czech republic)
















more Baufix paint thinner:

 

[Ratchet.]

These arrived today courtesy of some way over enthusiastic customer service from Stanley.
http://www.garagejournal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=151166

I've get to say... I've owned and handled a lot of different, and really nice ratchets....
But I've never had one quite so..... **** as the J.174

This one has a long term home in my box, no doubt.

Even the little J151A surprised me though. It's a lot thinner than the palm control style. And it's the smoothest ratchet I've ever seen. Smoother than an F80 even.

They are great, generally I'm not a fan of soft or plastic handle ratchets, but one of the guys in the shop has a 3/8 flex and a 1/4 drive version and they are super nice, been half looking for one of the 1/4 drive after using it once, really smooth ratchets



Got this today, a solitary Wurth zebra 12/13mm deep box wrench, really nicely made, and finished

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Anyone know who makes these for Wurth? the finish looks very similar to some Belzer branded spanners i have (not sure who made those either as they are fairly new production).




And now for some tools from countries that don't exist any more

First another 12/13 box spanner:

This one couldn't be further away from the last in terms of finish though,
none of your decadent capitalist chrome plate or ground off casting marks here comrade

I'm assuming it was originaly part of a car toolkit for export, either Lada or Moskovitch as its marked USSR as opposed to CCCP which i have on some other old soviet tools, but I'm not too sure.

Smalcalda short 1/2" 9/16" box spanner, made in the German Democratic Republic, this is actually quite a nicely made tool, apart from the poor quality chrome which is peeling off, no doubt raw materials were scarce at that side of the wall. I have a 12mm/13mm one like this too, not sure how they landed up over here though?

And lastly a Narex branded plain screwdriver, made in Czechoslovakia, slightly odd design , but quite well made, not seen any other tools from Czechoslovakia, at least none marked as such.

 

[neophyte]

ca. 49.5mm OD. there is a thinner ring in the middle of the collar (46mm)

Thank You.

I don't know whether it will work, but I'll try it, or see if I can modify it.

 

[upgrading]

That GDR stubby is cool.

 

[Ratchet.]

That GDR stubby is cool.

It is, has come in useful too, or at least the metric one has.

Unlikely i will find the rest of the sizes though, was surprised enough when the second one turned up at a steam fair/swapmeet, first one i got in a box of assorted interesting old tools i was given, need to take pics of some of the other bits

 

[Kirbot]

They are great, generally I'm not a fan of soft or plastic handle ratchets, but one of the guys in the shop has a 3/8 flex and a 1/4 drive version and they are super nice, been half looking for one of the 1/4 drive after using it once, really smooth ratchets

I've heard a few people praise the 1/4" version. But honestly, that's the only one I'm not crazy about.
It's super strong no doubt, but the head is a lot bulkier than my other 1/4" ratchets.

The 3/8" and 1/2" versions have really compact heads relative to other brands.

 

[maico]

New type Facom lock-grip pliers. Note the prominent 'made in France' stamping. I wonder if this is a change of policy by Stanley. Keep or bring back production to France, like the 440 wrenches, ensures Facom remains their premium brand ?

http://www.facom.com/uk/products/Series-500A-Description.html

 

[Miskin]

Does anyone knows if this bit is ok for my Bosch GDR impact driver?

https://www.werk10.com/Bits-E6/PB-E6-192-PZ::262.html?XTCsid=hi3emogchttn783via27f6dl66

I allready order some Wera Impactor, but i'm fan of PB Swiss and i want to test them.

 

[Grimly]

I spied a couple of very useful-looking punch sets in Lidl's online flyer and popped down to have a look at them. Labelled 'OWIM', but they're just an importer of all sorts of stuff as far as I can see. Likely Far Eastern in origin, but they seem well enough made and a couple of trial belts with a hammer have failed to show any untoward softness.

I like the dinky little cases they come in, but they've missed a trick there - it would be handier if the lid folded right back on itself so that it formed a base for the rack holding the punches.

 

[Ratchet.]

New type Facom lock-grip pliers. Note the prominent 'made in France' stamping. I wonder if this is a change of policy by Stanley. Keep or bring back production to France, like the 440 wrenches, ensures Facom remains their premium brand ?

http://www.facom.com/uk/products/Series-500A-Description.html

Interesting, they seem to be pushing the brand in the US at the moment too, which could be another reason (seem to recall that stuff sold in America must have the coo on it).

Nice looking self grips though, anyone used some? seem to remember them being kinda expensive.

 

[upgrading]

(seem to recall that stuff sold in America must have the coo on it).

It would be nice if all tools sold in the U.S. were stamped but that is not the case.
Gearwrench stamps no COO on their tools to name one example.

 

[neophyte]

Interesting, they seem to be pushing the brand in the US at the moment too, which could be another reason (seem to recall that stuff sold in America must have the coo on it).

Nice looking self grips though, anyone used some? seem to remember them being kinda expensive.

Items sold in the USA has to be marked with country of origin if the item wasn't manufactured in the USA, but the mark doesn't have to be on the item, or permanent, it can be a label on the packaging. One of the main provisions is that the marking of COO has to be as prominent, and located next to, any marking that might imply a USA or other country of origin than the actual country of origin. For instance if you product says Widget USA Inc. on it, but is made in China, legally it's supposed to have a made in China label in a similar font size right under or next to the Widget USA mark. Some companies illegally ignore this.


As for the Facom pliers, SAM Outillage and MOB Outillage also sell a similar type of pliers, and the original design goes back decades in France. I sort of think one of the other French tool manufacturers may manufacture the pliers for Facom, maybe Dolex, who also offers their own version.

http://www.dolex.fr/outils-serrage/pinces-etaux/pinces-etaux-grandes-capacites/

The new Facom pliers differ from the older version by incorporating the press button release found on their T5 series pliers.

The older facom pliers that are similar usually sell for $60 or more in the USA, although I think Zoro Tools had limited number of one version a while back for around $25.

 

[c-hawk19]

My first Metabo purchase. I doubt it will be my last as there is a local brick and mortar dealer for them. And the people there are great to deal with

 

[Blöckw@rt]

 

[Jure]

where did you get it,and how much $? damn i should see this before i went to bauhaus,few minutes ago came home with kopp like this one

 

[Mr MoAiZo]

Good product.
Albert Büttner was not only the founder of Bayerische Elektrozubehör GmbH (today ABL SURSUM) but also the inventor of the Schuko.

 

[Blöckw@rt]

where did you get it,and how much $?

http://www.voelkner.de/products/477...model=W76886&gclid=CL27-pOTkcUCFSXHtAodVV0Akw

 

[Jure]

http://www.voelkner.de/products/477...model=W76886&gclid=CL27-pOTkcUCFSXHtAodVV0Akw

and its even cheaper them kopp how good it is compared to kopp (speaking of durability)

 

[Blöckw@rt]

how good it is compared to kopp (speaking of durability)

I will see.....but i can say that the processing/finish is 1st class !

 

[maico]

I was having a look through the 42 page Gedore hammer brochure and that pattern of club head seems discontinued. Only the normal looking one now.

The hammer catalogue is well worth a read.

http://www.gedore.net/module/objproduct_data/5/oed_154529_483_1_0_472_513_Haemmer_Schlagwkz_UK.pdf

My next purchase is going to be the scaling hammer rotband-plus

I did a bit of digging and the scalloped pattern is called a Dutch style head.

Peddinghaus sell one and perhaps others too ?

Their hammer catalogue pdf. is here:

http://www.peddinghaus.de/wp-content/uploads/2013/05/PHV-5-Industrie-Schmiedewerkzeuge.pdf

 

[Lofthouse]

Picard too

 

[SantaAna12]

Hi Monte,

Quote:
Originally Posted by Jure View Post
"hazet is piece of ****"

"i like mine "

I seem to remember you recommending the Stahlwille open box 13 over the Hazet?
I ask because I am looking at a Hazet 600N set.
Any thoughts?

 

[Jure]

Hi Monte,

Quote:
Originally Posted by Jure View Post
"hazet is piece of ****"

"i like mine "

I seem to remember you recommending the Stahlwille open box 13 over the Hazet?
I ask because I am looking at a Hazet 600N set.
Any thoughts?

with hazet 600N you cant compare open box 13...or gedore's 7ur since they are slim jaw design. open box 14 and gedore 1B are the same league as 600N. I own gedore 1B 8-22mm like them,but if i had $$ and had to choose between 1b,op box 14 and 600n id take open box 14...

 

[Mr MoAiZo]

I seem to remember you recommending the Stahlwille open box 13 over the Hazet?
I ask because I am looking at a Hazet 600N set.
Any thoughts?

Although I am not Monte, in my opinion and as Jure said, the Stahlwille Open Box 14 are the best.

 

[mac_intosh]

Let's not fight about taste. Each wrench design has it's upsides and downsides and everyone has his own experiences and preferences with that .

Generally speaking - 'this or that brand is ****' - without real arguments, doesn't help much.

Peace !

 

[Jure]

Let's not fight about taste. Each wrench design has it's upsides and downsides and everyone has his own experiences and preferences with that .

Generally speaking - 'this or that brand is ****' - without real arguments, doesn't help much.

Peace !

this! i like stahlwille because chrome on them seems to last forever,its not full polished or satin,its something in the middle,and they are super light...

 

[mac_intosh]

That's more like it .

 

[Jure]

today's flea market find facom/wurth 3/8 ratchet,never opened,i opened it,cleaned and relubed. perfect teeths inside and that thing is smooth! paid 2 euro + hand vise paid 1 euro

 

[SantaAna12]

Thanks for the replies.

I am looking into a metric set that has the larger wrenches and has value. I am open to suggestions. Lighter and stronger definitely appeals. I have no experience with Hazet. I have the Stahlwille double box 70degree box set. I am primarily looking for strength, but not at the expense of access. I am open to COO. The Euro to dollar right now makes me think it is a good time to consider Hazet or Stahlwille.

Any suggestions appreciated!