Tools from the old world

[superautobacs]

A couple new items from Wera:

They revamped their pistol grip (gearless) screwdriver with their new mechanism (48-tooth), in addition with bit storage.

Nice holster, too:

And their new hand impact:

Laid out nicely in this carrying/storage bag:

1/4 drive Torque screwdriver:

Setting adjuster:

Saltus!

 

[rice rocket]

The bizarre thing is IKEA (Canada) didn't even have a Pozidrive screwdriver in their DIY tool kits!




SW-Stahl... many Taiwanese items. Beta would be the originators for that style. Facom/USAG also offer it (some with free-spinning sleeves). More recently, PB Swiss started offering those too (with sleeves). ...just to name a few alternatives....although with a much higher price point, I'm sure.

Ah, thanks for the info! I actually have a set of the Beta ones on order, the SW-Stahl one caught my eye because I wanted the tray.


The SW-Stahl ones look similar to the Facom ones, but not exactly. The PB Swiss ones look nice, but the Betas have a pretty solid reputation amongst bike mechanics, who live and die by their hex drivers. Beta is still the only manufacturer that claims to forge their tips too.

 

[Mr MoAiZo]

Where can i get these japanese pliers?

Amazon and eBay.
eBay with free shipping (from Japan!).

 

[Monte]

Monte: do you know anything about SW-Stahl? Decent?
Been looking at these:

hit and miss... for hobby use ok, but for professional use i personally would stay away from brands like SW-Stahl or BGS etc....you never know what you´ll get....















Fein GSZ 8-90 PEL slow speed die grinder (2500 - 9000 rpm)
POWERtronic constant electronics, speed dial, soft start, overload protection, kick-back stop...

 

[neophyte]

Beautiful. ^^^

 

[Monte]

Beautiful. ^^^

yes










some tools which can be used with a slow speed die grinder: wire wheels, sanding drums/rolls, flap wheels, combi-wheels, surface conditioning discs/cleaning discs, ....

...or polishing/felt bobs:

deburring/sanding:

grinding:

removing scale with a cleaning disc:

 

[morgaj1]

Monte, is that die grinder considerably quieter than the high speed models?

 

[SantaAna12]

615.00$ on Amazon.

Nice to window shop though.

 

[Monte]

Monte, is that die grinder considerably quieter than the high speed models?

The noise level of this slow speed model and the Fein high speed model is the same (according to their website). I don´t own their high speed model (yet) so i can´t compare. However i own high speed grinders from Suhner and Dewalt and i think they´re a bit more silent. I guess because they don´t have any gears.

615.00$ on Amazon.

Nice to window shop though.

a lot cheaper in Germany....

i think this is a very good alternative for a good price:
http://www.amazon.com/dp/B008FW9AE2/?tag=atomicindus08-20

 

[SantaAna12]

Thank you Monte.

 

[sljeme345]

Fein GSZ 8-90 PEL slow speed die grinder (2500 - 9000 rpm)
POWERtronic constant electronics, speed dial, soft start, overload protection, kick-back stop...

Good choice, Monte

Had experience with Metabo die grinders?

 

[rice rocket]

The constant speed electronics for these is awesome. I have a Metabo angle grinder with it, the the fact that it adds power instead of slowing down is really odd at first, but awesome once you get used to it.

 

[losvre]

I contacted Bollman-Grip as to where I could buy their pliers and they said "Hazet is a good option". I ordered one pair from my usual shop together with some other tools. It looks and feels good. I also have one knipex and I also had a look at the Gedore ones while I was in the shop. I have to say that knipex feels sloppy compared to Hazet and Gedore. To my surprise Gedore had the best tolerance and felt more "tight" that Hazet but I bought the Hazet because it was ordered specially for me and did not want to say otherwise.
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After seen my pictures I need to get some course for photography. Anyone can give some tips as to how to get some decent photos?

 

[Monte]

Good choice, Monte
Had experience with Metabo die grinders?

I own a Dewalt D28886 which is a rebadged Metabo GE 700 . It´s a nice tool with spindle lock so you need only 1 wrench which is convenient. It has constant electronics and all other features. It´s a bit thicker than the Fein and a bit heavier i think (the spindle is made from steel pipe). It´s a nice tool. (btw. mine is for sale )

The constant speed electronics for these is awesome. I have a Metabo angle grinder with it, the the fact that it adds power instead of slowing down is really odd at first, but awesome once you get used to it.

all tools should have constant electronics !

I contacted Bollman-Grip as to where I could buy their pliers and they said "Hazet is a good option". I ordered one pair from my usual shop together with some other tools. It looks and feels good. I also have one knipex and I also had a look at the Gedore ones while I was in the shop. I have to say that knipex feels sloppy compared to Hazet and Gedore. To my surprise Gedore had the best tolerance and felt more "tight" that Hazet but I bought the Hazet because it was ordered specially for me and did not want to say otherwise.

pics ?
















Momento 3/8" drive SAE impact sockets from 1/4" to 9/16":
www.Momento.se

 

[losvre]

I own a Dewalt D28886 which is a rebadged Metabo GE 700 . It´s a nice tool with spindle lock so you need only 1 wrench which is convenient. It has constant electronics and all other features. It´s a bit thicker than the Fein and a bit heavier i think (the spindle is made from steel pipe). It´s a nice tool. (btw. mine is for sale )

all tools should have constant electronics !

Very good stuff here with the grinders, I want too


pics ?

I will get better pictures of Hazet. I am working on how to get decent pictures and get an account like photobucket so I can upload higher resolution images.

The knipex I sent it to my dad so not pictures until I visit him. Gedore I buy later on and will upload pics as well.


In the meantime I got these. Tested on 0.8 mm stainless and cut it like paper
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Cheers guys

 

[losvre]

Where can i get these japanese pliers?

For the Engineers special plier I think best price and service at the moment is from Mark,

http://www.onlyqualitytools.com/catalog/Engineer/PZ-58.html

 

[losvre]

I have to make more pictures but hey,

Something to measure!
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And something to apply some Serious force!!! My friend had a stuck tyre bolt after an idiot in the garage tighten it with a huge airgun. He broke 2 tyre wrench levers and three scepo sockets 19 mm.

I then get him my Stahwille 19 mm, and we broke 3 extension levers (no name) but the Stahlwille survived!!

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[hemdale]

Fein ****. [emoji7][emoji7]

 

[sljeme345]

I own a Dewalt D28886 which is a rebadged Metabo GE 700 . It´s a nice tool with spindle lock so you need only 1 wrench which is convenient. It has constant electronics and all other features. It´s a bit thicker than the Fein and a bit heavier i think (the spindle is made from steel pipe). It´s a nice tool. (btw. mine is for sale )

all tools should have constant electronics !

pics ?

Next time Monte.
I'm saving money for Metabo WEV 15-125 quick inox (your recommennation), but i need to buy also die grinder...

Fein ****. [emoji7][emoji7]

I'm a big fan of Fein tool

 

[losvre]

Some soft ****,

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[d.mcfarland]

From Grandpa's tool box.

 

[Tooling Around]

Fischer plug set in a "L-Boxx Mini"

Are the L-Boxx mini's very strong? I was thinking about getting some but the hinges and catches look quite fragile.

 

[losvre]

Are the L-Boxx mini's very strong? I was thinking about getting some but the hinges and catches look quite fragile.

Once I bought the Fischer UX but when installing you need to be careful and have tight tolerances because they have mimimal expansion and they do not hold well at all, imagine how I found out


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[hemdale]

Are the L-Boxx mini's very strong? I was thinking about getting some but the hinges and catches look quite fragile.

Hi mate, to be honest I ordered one of the very same a few weeks ago and returned it and the box alone wasn't cheap either.

Hinges and catches are (look) fragile and I didn't want to take the risk to have the cover to come loose. I'll stick to my trusty Sortimo iboxx 72.




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[hemdale]

Once I bought the Fischer UX but when installing you need to be careful and have tight tolerances because they have mimimal expansion and they do not hold well at all, imagine how I found out





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This is how the UX really works:

You have to let the screw go all the way past the end UX and let the screw tight a sort of spiral knot. Watch the video and you'll understard. [emoji106]


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[NonSenCe]

Does anyone have Stahlwille open end ratcheting wrenches available for measurement?

i would like to know how thick the ratcheting end is. i am tempted to buy the "complete" set they are offering in tbs-aachen (8-19mm). something in or near size 13mm or 1/2" would be nice. (so i can compare thickness to my bahco or gearwrench wrenches)

 

[Olafur]

Momento 3/8" drive SAE impact sockets from 1/4" to 9/16":
www.Momento.se

Sockets still made in Sweden!
What will you dig up next!?

Interesting, thanks for posting!

 

[hautpot]

Hey monte, This set you posted:

Is it possible to obtain just the Knipex pliers? The Red and Black colour is extremely cool looking.

 

[NonSenCe]

those look like knipex alligator. so. yes they should be around.

 

[hautpot]

ok ill be more specific

 

[BMack37]

ok ill be more specific

Doesn't appear so, only red/blue or red or insulated(red/yellow)
http://www.knipex.com/index.php?id=1216&L=1&page=group_detail&parentID=1357&groupID=1359

 

[BK13]

Momento 3/8" drive SAE impact sockets from 1/4" to 9/16":
www.Momento.se

I was looking around for either prices or an American distributor, but am not having much luck. What's the price range like for these things?

 

[hautpot]

Doesn't appear so, only red/blue or red or insulated(red/yellow)
http://www.knipex.com/index.php?id=1216&L=1&page=group_detail&parentID=1357&groupID=1359

Look at the part number in the images, it is 03 02 180. Internet search displays it as an ordinary Knipex Combination pliers. Definitely special for Proxxon.

Hopefully Monte will know.

 

[Vinko]

One of the good things it seems to me about Europe is many places still have the independent hardware stores with all the good stuff. Due to dog-eat-dog here in the US a lot of the smaller guys have fallen by the wayside. Is pricing regulated so that the versions of "Home Depot" in say Germany can't sell for a lot cheaper than Joe Blow's hardware store down the street, or what? I know, for instance, with other things (like books) in Paris, there's not the wild price cuts for the "big box" stores compared to the small guys....

 

[BMack37]

Look at the part number in the images, it is 03 02 180. Internet search displays it as an ordinary Knipex Combination pliers. Definitely special for Proxxon.

Hopefully Monte will know.

That was the second result in searching "Knipex 03 02 180"

 

[hautpot]

Yes, but what I am trying to figure out is where I can get the unique black and red ones and why Knipex used the same part number for Proxxon's tool set.

I might resort to buying the whole set just for the pliers

 

[pozidriv]

Haha, hautpot, you've got it bad
Unfortunately I can't help you, although shops here often sell proxxon, I've never seen that set 'live'.

One of the good things it seems to me about Europe is many places still have the independent hardware stores with all the good stuff. Due to dog-eat-dog here in the US a lot of the smaller guys have fallen by the wayside. Is pricing regulated so that the versions of "Home Depot" in say Germany can't sell for a lot cheaper than Joe Blow's hardware store down the street, or what? I know, for instance, with other things (like books) in Paris, there's not the wild price cuts for the "big box" stores compared to the small guys....

I don't know of any regulations, the situation around here, is that the big box stores are the typical DIY stores (brico, gamma, hubo) that basically sell cheap homeowner stuff. Their top of the line tools are usually the bosch 'green' ones.
Contractors and tradesmen wouldn't be caught dead there.
Local, independent hardware stores on the other hand, have a strong focus on professional, good quality tools and materials. Expensive brands which you just don't find at the big DIY stores. Professionals will shop here (along with the local tool nuts ).

Maybe it's also because most pro's here are supplied with tools by their employer (who can deduct them from his taxes anyway). So they don't bother hunting down the cheapest prices (which would be online), they just want their stuff NOW, so they can move on with the job.

In Paris, everything's just expensive

 

[jessysirazvan]

knipex 28 21 200
the gripping teeth are very slim so you can have a gut gripping,i mean more teeth on mm2

 

[Monte]

Fein ****. [emoji7][emoji7]

that are a lot of Multitalents you bought !!

Next time Monte.
I'm saving money for Metabo WEV 15-125 quick inox (your recommennation), but i need to buy also die grinder...

angle grinder is more important

Are the L-Boxx mini's very strong? I was thinking about getting some but the hinges and catches look quite fragile.

iirc there are at least 3 versions available. The first one was chinese, the next one from Poland and a third "Made in Germany" version (?). The product quality was increased every time. I don´t know if you can see these pics from the german Bosch forum?:
https://www.bosch-professional.com/de/de/community/category/neue-l-boxx-mini/5306150-t
some more pics of the Bosch version:
https://www.ricardo.ch/kaufen/handwerk-und-garten/sonstiges/bosch-kiste-mini-l-boxx/v/an759092074/
"Strong" is subjective... for plugs or a small assortment of screws etc. it´s ok i guess. I don´t know how many cycles the hinges will last though. I think it´s worth maybe 9,95.

Does anyone have Stahlwille open end ratcheting wrenches available for measurement?

i would like to know how thick the ratcheting end is. i am tempted to buy the "complete" set they are offering in tbs-aachen (8-19mm). something in or near size 13mm or 1/2" would be nice. (so i can compare thickness to my bahco or gearwrench wrenches)

13mm ratcheting wrench dimensions:
L=182mm
b=26,5mm
d=25mm
a1=6,6mm
a2=8,4mm

Sockets still made in Sweden!
What will you dig up next!?

Interesting, thanks for posting!

what are you looking for ?

Hey monte, This set you posted:

Is it possible to obtain just the Knipex pliers? The Red and Black colour is extremely cool looking.

it´s an exclusive for Proxxon. Buy the set and a pair of Knipex pliers and sell the set with the blue/red Knipex pliers

I was looking around for either prices or an American distributor, but am not having much luck. What's the price range like for these things?

US dealer: http://impactsockets.us/

I paid between €3.50 (1/4") and €6.40 (9/16") each (+tax)

One of the good things it seems to me about Europe is many places still have the independent hardware stores with all the good stuff. Due to dog-eat-dog here in the US a lot of the smaller guys have fallen by the wayside. Is pricing regulated so that the versions of "Home Depot" in say Germany can't sell for a lot cheaper than Joe Blow's hardware store down the street, or what? I know, for instance, with other things (like books) in Paris, there's not the wild price cuts for the "big box" stores compared to the small guys....

The only regulated prices here in germany are book prices. All other things usually have a "MSRP" but the prices are not mandatory. Festool had fixed prices for years but they had to pay a couple of millions fine....In case of power/hand tools the prices often differ about +-20%. Certain brands have more stable and higher prices (Mafell, Fein) than others. Big box stores usually carry different brands than the smaller hardware stores or wholesalers so you can´t compare prices. Wera and Knipex are common big box brands too though, but prices are high. Hardware store prices are usually high too, the best is to shop at a wholesaler. Most professional brands are not sold in big box stores because the companies don´t want to sell to the big box/DIY stores because it could hurt the brands image. So basically the best prices are available in the internet (usually ebay) and the products are sold through professional tool wholesalers and not the big box store or small guy.

 

[Tony21]

I got a few photos while reorganizing my toolbox today.

I didn't get pictures of everything while it was out of my box so the next few photos have some non "old world" tools in them as well

Hi Pretty,
Did you find your Facom lockgrip in the US?