Tools from the old world

Peeb · Jan 28, 2016

monkeyspanners · Jan 28, 2016

losvre said:
Good day all,

I have had hard time to find an inspection lamp. Eventually I ordered a Sealey professional online but it feels cheap sh@.
Do you think i could find a similar one but better quality? I prefer one without the wire shield on the front because it is annoying when light project the shadow of it.

Then there are some led floor lights, what do you recommend?

Thanks!

Have a look on ebay for a Briticent Gripper, I prefer the older wire models but the plastic ones would be better if shadows are a problem.

maico · Jan 28, 2016

marlinspike said:
Is there any dealer for those Compac stands (or the same thing with whatever branding) who will ship to the USA?

I've seen US dealers selling Compac jacks on ebay. Try contacting

http://www.compac.dk/en/contact

marlinspike · Jan 28, 2016

maico said:
I've seen US dealers selling Compac jacks on ebay. Try contacting

http://www.compac.dk/en/contact

Yeah, nobody imports the stands, it would have to be a seller who would ship it.

maico · Jan 28, 2016

Try

http://www.werkzeugeonline.eu/compac-rangierheber-pkw-lkw-2t-20-t.html

Can't imagine it makes economic sense though.

marlinspike · Jan 28, 2016

maico said:
Try

http://www.werkzeugeonline.eu/compac-rangierheber-pkw-lkw-2t-20-t.html

Can't imagine it makes economic sense though.

They don't ship to the US

And you'd be surprised, if someone were willing to deal with the freight, it would be cheaper for me to buy a Compac floor jack from Germany and pay to ship it than to buy one from a dealer here (no VAT, strong USD to Euro right now, US distribution has huge markups).

maico · Jan 28, 2016

Better wait for tool experten Monte to chime in when he has finished his luge practice. He knows everything there is to know about everything !

chrissalas1 · Jan 28, 2016

losvre said:
Good day all,

I have had hard time to find an inspection lamp. Eventually I ordered a Sealey professional online but it feels cheap sh@.
Do you think i could find a similar one but better quality? I prefer one without the wire shield on the front because it is annoying when light project the shadow of it.

Then there are some led floor lights, what do you recommend?

Thanks!

I mainly use the phillips rch20.I am very happy with it.I have some corded lamps but i don't use them very much.I recommend you to look at the phillips and the scangrip lines.

chrissalas1 · Jan 28, 2016

marlinspike said:
Is there any dealer for those Compac stands (or the same thing with whatever branding) who will ship to the USA?

Maybe you should try equitools.eu.I believe the send to USA

HCNDM · Jan 28, 2016

marlinspike said:
They don't ship to the US

And you'd be surprised, if someone were willing to deal with the freight, it would be cheaper for me to buy a Compac floor jack from Germany and pay to ship it than to buy one from a dealer here (no VAT, strong USD to Euro right now, US distribution has huge markups).

Europe retail is standaard 3,3 production to wholesale and 2,4 wholesale to retail.

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maico · Jan 28, 2016

HCNDM said:
Europe retail is standaard 3,3 production to wholesale and 2,4 wholesale to retail.

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I don't understand your post

marlinspike · Jan 28, 2016

maico said:
I don't understand your post

He's talking about how much products get marked up between hands.

maico · Jan 28, 2016

maico said:
Arrived today. Compac CAX 2H. A 2 ton stand 43cm to 74cm. weigh 5.8 Kg on my scales. I probably wouldn't put the full weight of a car on the maximum elevation, no higher than in the photo. I've got some bigger 6 ton high-lift for that.

The pin locks in position securely and the feet are fully welded, not tack welded. They are date stamped 10/2015

In the background the Compac front bogie wheels. These are a major construction at 7 Kg a pair.

Solid column

Compac price these per stand. I paid 39 euro each. It may be cheaper to buy a pair from the 3 German companies who also brand them. (See earlier posts)

Make that 4 other German companies ! Longus GmbH sell the range.
None of them though sell the equivalent of the Compac 2H which are much heavier than the 1.5 ton models.

http://www.longus.de/category/129304/129311

maico · Jan 28, 2016

marlinspike said:
He's talking about how much products get marked up between hands.

Well, I'm in business myself and there is no standard mark-up.

marlinspike · Jan 28, 2016

To give you an idea, Chinese made Esco stands which are similar but don't go as high and are made in China cost about $66 each in the USA, before any tax. If someone did import those Compac stands to the US, they would probably charge at least $100 each + tax (as opposed to the 39 euros which is $42.57 they cost before VAT in Europe).

maico · Jan 28, 2016

chrissalas1 said:
Maybe you should try equitools.eu.I believe the send to USA

Good link. The Compac 2H are only 36.13 euro ex. tax each

http://www.equitools.eu/Compac-Unterstellbock-Baureihe-CAX-2-12-To-Traglast

marlinspike · Jan 28, 2016

maico said:
Good link. The Compac 2H are only 36.13 euro ex. tax each

http://www.equitools.eu/Compac-Unterstellbock-Baureihe-CAX-2-12-To-Traglast

They say to call about shipping to the USA. To think, people told me I was a fool for taking German instead of Spanish!

submariner · Jan 28, 2016

I'm interested in the Knipex Cobra 125 mm in BLUE. Apparently it's only available at gerschwitz.net since they listed it on eBay.de. They don't ship to Australia, know anyone that has stock and can ship to me?

By the way, anything else from Knipex that comes in this colour scheme? Thanks.

maico · Jan 28, 2016

I got mine from http://www.tbs-aachen.de a couple of weeks ago. 21 euro ex. tax

Surprised Gerschwitz were so much cheaper.

submariner · Jan 28, 2016

I checked tbs-aachen.de, no stock, last 2 sold on their eBay website. I've spent hours searching...please help

chikongio · Jan 28, 2016

Out of my curiosity, who makes screwdrivers for Stahlwille?

losvre · Jan 28, 2016

chrissalas1 said:
I mainly use the phillips rch20.I am very happy with it.I have some corded lamps but i don't use them very much.I recommend you to look at the phillips and the scangrip lines.

Thanks for the info!!!

losvre · Jan 28, 2016

monkeyspanners said:
Have a look on ebay for a Briticent Gripper, I prefer the older wire models but the plastic ones would be better if shadows are a problem.

I will search for this thanks!

HCNDM · Jan 28, 2016

maico said:
I don't understand your post

I have worked in IT for Large retailers for a few years now so its second nature. I Will try to explain.

When an item is produced the production cost is added to the cost of transport to the manufactorers warehouse.

This is the base cost of the item for the manufacturer. Commonly called landed cost of goods. If sold at this price a loss is made as overhead costs such as head office administration are not include.

Landed cost is multiplied by 3.3 to give wholesale price. This is the price at which the manufacturer sells the goods to their distributors, stores, etc.

Wholesale price is multiplied by 2.4 to give recommended retail price. This is what the consumer pays for the item at full price.

Example:

Gedore makes a ratchet. It costs 8 euro to produce. Shipping to their central warehouse is 2 euro.

Landed cost = 10 euro.

Gedore wil sell this ratchet to wholesale stores for 33 euro ex vat. Wholesale price. ( ex vat)

The recommended retail price will be 79,95 (actually 79.2) but everyone likes round numbers.

Please keep in mind overhead costs must still be deducted but this gives an indication of profit margins.

3,3 and 2,4 are currently industry standard in European fashion. Other industries may vary a little but I have rarely seen lower that 3 and 2 respectively.

This model guarantees profitability for both the producer and their wholesaler given each carefully watches their overhead and of course turns over a decent volume of goods.

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Monte · Jan 28, 2016

marlinspike said:
Is there any dealer for those Compac stands (or the same thing with whatever branding) who will ship to the USA?

Did you contact the various US dealers of Compac, AC Hydraulic or Weber ...?

losvre said:
Good day all,

I have had hard time to find an inspection lamp. Eventually I ordered a Sealey professional online but it feels cheap sh@.
Do you think i could find a similar one but better quality? I prefer one without the wire shield on the front because it is annoying when light project the shadow of it.

Then there are some led floor lights, what do you recommend?

Thanks!

Made in Germany inspection lamps/work lights: www.rohrlux.com
M.i.Germany worklights: www.sonlux.de
Osram inspection lights: http://www.osram.com/osram_com/news...ssories/ledinspect-inspection-lamps/index.jsp

submariner said:
I'm interested in the Knipex Cobra 125 mm in BLUE. Apparently it's only available at gerschwitz.net since they listed it on eBay.de. They don't ship to Australia, know anyone that has stock and can ship to me?

By the way, anything else from Knipex that comes in this colour scheme? Thanks.

the part number is 8703125BE

https://www.atp-autoteile.de/produc...NUY7FG-vhXQdJZvQErLDtxVzJgUJi77bNgaApl48P8HAQ

http://www.shoppingfever.de/prod/Knipex-Wasserpumpenzange-Cobra-Blue-Edition--669811.html

http://www.ebay.de/itm/My-first-KNI...855741?hash=item46231da3bd:g:jB0AAOSwHnFVs3DE

chikongio said:
Out of my curiosity, who makes screwdrivers for Stahlwille?

Witte

HCNDM said:
I have worked in IT for Large retailers for a few years now so its second nature. I Will try to explain.

I have price lists from Bosch and Baier power tools which show a margin between 10 and 20% for the retailer.

Gedore pickle fork

chrissalas1 · Jan 28, 2016

marlinspike said:
They say to call about shipping to the USA. To think, people told me I was a fool for taking German instead of Spanish!

Take a look at the facom jacks.I don't know where they are made but i think you can find them easily in the USA.They look very ****[emoji7] [emoji7] [emoji7]

maico · Jan 28, 2016

It would appear AC did make their own stands at one point. They probably realised it would make more sense to make something like this in a relatively low wage economy (for manual workers) like Germany.

http://www.acjacks.com/acjacks_004.htm

Monte · Jan 28, 2016

maico said:
It would appear AC did make their own stands at one point. They probably realised it would make more sense to make something like this in a relatively low wage economy (for manual workers) like Germany.

http://www.acjacks.com/acjacks_004.htm

...or for even lower in china

there is a certain similarity between the old AC stand and the Esco stands....
the rubber pad looks identical, safety pin with the ring, both posts are yellow galvanized, the bad welds....

maico · Jan 28, 2016

Yep, you are right Monte. Welded by mr Hoo Flung Dung :puke:

These stands look familiar..... ! The one in the middle is the same as mine.

https://www.weber-hydraulik.com/en/produkte/werkstattausruestung/?tx_anwendungen_products[product]=14&tx_anwendungen_products[action]=show&tx_anwendungen_products[controller]=Product&cHash=eb1c8a69b07e502f863ebbd6da5238c8

chrissalas1 · Jan 28, 2016

Why gedore changed the site?I don't like it.What do you think?

dkroth · Jan 28, 2016

Monte said:
...or for even lower in china there is a certain similarity between the old AC stand and the Esco stands....
the rubber pad looks identical, safety pin with the ring, both posts are yellow galvanized, the bad welds....

Those are some boogery welds.

You'd think after assembling 300 of these a day the welder would smooth out a bit.

marlinspike · Jan 28, 2016

Monte said:
...or for even lower in china there is a certain similarity between the old AC stand and the Esco stands....
the rubber pad looks identical, safety pin with the ring, both posts are yellow galvanized, the bad welds....

I could be wrong, but I believe Ultimate Garage, who is a member here, is the reason the Esco stands are just like the old AC stand, and it was because AC stopped making it and as he was their distributor at the time in the US they let him work on sourcing them from somewhere else (I could have botched this a bit, it's posted about somewhere in these forums though).

There is only one AC dealer in the US, the distributor, and they don't bring the stands. The Compac distributor doesn't bring the stands either.
The only US company that has any association with Weber is Hyco, and generally speaking they have no interest in selling to the public. I'll have to call and see.

honcho · Jan 28, 2016

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Originally Posted by HCNDM View Post
I have worked in IT for Large retailers for a few years now so its second nature. I Will try to explain.
I have price lists from Bosch and Baier power tools which show a margin between 10 and 20% for the retailer.

Yes, sometimes you will see dealer price lists that show such low margins but it would be pretty darn hard to keep a retail business open, especially a brick & mortar retail location, on 20% margin unless you were doing a huge turnover. Distributors and manufacturers often provide large percentage rebates to dealers that move high volumes of product. That way, dealers have an incentive to sell more. Internet sales have turned a lot of things upside down and as specialty local retailers have scaled back over the years, sometimes the only place to get specialty items is from online sellers or pay very high prices to the few remaining brick & mortar retailers.

hautpot · Jan 29, 2016

New items from PB Swiss

HCNDM · Jan 29, 2016

honcho said:
Quote:
Originally Posted by HCNDM View Post
I have worked in IT for Large retailers for a few years now so its second nature. I Will try to explain.
I have price lists from Bosch and Baier power tools which show a margin between 10 and 20% for the retailer.

Yes, sometimes you will see dealer price lists that show such low margins but it would be pretty darn hard to keep a retail business open, especially a brick & mortar retail location, on 20% margin unless you were doing a huge turnover. Distributors and manufacturers often provide large percentage rebates to dealers that move high volumes of product. That way, dealers have an incentive to sell more. Internet sales have turned a lot of things upside down and as specialty local retailers have scaled back over the years, sometimes the only place to get specialty items is from online sellers or pay very high prices to the few remaining brick & mortar retailers.

There are a few notable exceptions:

Aldi and Lidl use very low markups due to high volume and big buy models.

Where drop shipments, concession, or franchise models are used the margin wil also be lower. This because the inventory and legal responsibility (returns and warranty) remain the responsibility of the supplier. The dealer just takes the kickback with no risk.

Finally electronics. TV's computers gadgets sit around the 20% marker. Largely due to high competition and price pressure from cheap made in China.

If you follow my model you will see that a saving of five euros in production makes an enormous difference in retail price. There is a finite limit on what a consumer will spend more on a better product.

A five hundred euro festool power tool may only cost 30-50 more in production than a well made in China Bosch. The retail ( recommended) price however differs much more.

Also keep in mind a factor 2,4 is not 240%. It's actually 58%. The maximum possible profit being 58% of the total price.

Lastly the wholesale to retail margin is including vat. In my previous example 30 euro wholesale ex vat = 79.95 inc vat.

Deduct you average European vat of 20% from 58% and suddenly we are getting a lot closer to montes numbers. Especially considering its electronics. Store overhead could easily be another 20%.

So I guess it's also how the supplier calculates the achievable margin and sells this to their dealer. I know my employer has a 2,4 guarantee to its dealers but in reality you'd never make that.

Bricks and mortar is a truly difficult way to make money nowadays. Overhead is high and web competition is killer.

Many suppliers are realizing they can make far more by cutting out the middle man and selling through their own website.

Often customer service is outsourced to Eastern Europe or even India.

Not saying I like it (not one bit) but it is the way things are going.

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maico · Jan 29, 2016

marlinspike said:
I could be wrong, but I believe Ultimate Garage, who is a member here, is the reason the Esco stands are just like the old AC stand, and it was because AC stopped making it and as he was their distributor at the time in the US they let him work on sourcing them from somewhere else (I could have botched this a bit, it's posted about somewhere in these forums though).

There is only one AC dealer in the US, the distributor, and they don't bring the stands. The Compac distributor doesn't bring the stands either.
The only US company that has any association with Weber is Hyco, and generally speaking they have no interest in selling to the public. I'll have to call and see.

Who would of thought the world of stands is so arcane....

I'm middle aged but in retrospect, instead of messing about with Chinese death stands, my parents should have bought me a set of British made Melco stands, in large and small sizes, on my 16th birthday. They last a lifetime.

maico · Jan 29, 2016

Guys, I'm having problems with this Compac parts pdf on the Compac website, it's corrupted on my laptop. Does it open ok for you ? ?

http://www.compac.dk/plugins/system.../js/multiupload/server/uploads/1.5T-HC G3.pdf

This one opens ok

http://www.compac.dk/plugins/system...s/multiupload/server/uploads/2T-HC G3 BPU.pdf

upgrading · Jan 29, 2016

hautpot said:
New items from PB Swiss

Thanks.
I have their regular stubby.
I will keep the Insider Stubby in mind come November.

rice rocket · Jan 29, 2016

Knurling? That's all they could come up with?

Asahi has a neat set that I've been meaning to import. They offset one hex arm 30 degrees from the other, which lets you operate in tight spaces with half the required swing angle.

Peeb · Jan 29, 2016

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