Tools from the old world

Peeb · Jan 29, 2016

Peeb · Jan 29, 2016

hemdale · Jan 29, 2016

Monte said:
ps:
Most of the tools from "Cimco", "Klauke", "Intercable" etc. are rebranded. The original manufacturers can be identified as: NWS, Felo, Knipex, Wezag, Weicon, Jokari and Pressmaster ("Cimco" pliers are from VBW i think). The large crimping tools like this however are made by "Klauke" and "Weitkowitz" themself. "Weidmüller" and "Pressmaster" still make their own crimping/stripping tools.

Hi Monte,

You really can't tell if Weidmuller is reranding Embla or the other way around...

http://www.weidmueller.com/int/products/tools/stripping/product-overview

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Pressmaster by Embla

http://www.pressmaster.se/products/#strip_and_cut

and Klauke...

http://www.klauke.com/katalog/en/k-43-2-automatic-stripping-tool-0-02-10mm/

All these three VERY similar strippers sold at three different prices.

Monte · Jan 29, 2016

chrissalas1 said:
Why gedore changed the site?I don't like it.What do you think?

i don´t like it either...scrolling is annoying....i also don´t like the new logo....

dkroth said:
Those are some boogery welds.
You'd think after assembling 300 of these a day the welder would smooth out a bit.

yeah a little bit...

marlinspike said:
I could be wrong, but I believe Ultimate Garage, who is a member here, is the reason the Esco stands are just like the old AC stand, and it was because AC stopped making it and as he was their distributor at the time in the US they let him work on sourcing them from somewhere else (I could have botched this a bit, it's posted about somewhere in these forums though).

could be true too...

marlinspike said:
There is only one AC dealer in the US, the distributor, and they don't bring the stands. The Compac distributor doesn't bring the stands either.
The only US company that has any association with Weber is Hyco, and generally speaking they have no interest in selling to the public. I'll have to call and see.

then only the Esco stands are left...

honcho said:
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Originally Posted by HCNDM View Post
I have worked in IT for Large retailers for a few years now so its second nature. I Will try to explain.
I have price lists from Bosch and Baier power tools which show a margin between 10 and 20% for the retailer.

Yes, sometimes you will see dealer price lists that show such low margins but it would be pretty darn hard to keep a retail business open, especially a brick & mortar retail location, on 20% margin unless you were doing a huge turnover. Distributors and manufacturers often provide large percentage rebates to dealers that move high volumes of product. That way, dealers have an incentive to sell more. Internet sales have turned a lot of things upside down and as specialty local retailers have scaled back over the years, sometimes the only place to get specialty items is from online sellers or pay very high prices to the few remaining brick & mortar retailers.

I was told if you sell enough of Bosch tools for example like 10.000.- worth of tools in a year you get 1% off extra or so. Or you get better prices if you buy a palett of tools. Most of the money is earned with accessoires like wire wheels or cutting discs this is also why these products are so expensive in a big box store, the wholesalers earn the money with the volume of sales to companies. (10 angle grinders here, 5 grinders there...)

HCNDM said:
There are a few notable exceptions:
Aldi and Lidl use very low markups due to high volume and big buy models.

I saw a report about Aldi in TV and a supplier of canned fish said that their margin is (iirc) 0.3 cent per can.

On the opposite of the scale are clothes. When you see the high sale rebates or the prices of like 79,95 € for a pair of Levis or a different brand and look at the coo of the clothes which is usually Bangladesh or China.... and the TV reports show that you can buy jeans from China for 3,20$ a pair then you know who really makes the money ...

maico said:
Guys, I'm having problems with this Compac parts pdf on the Compac website, it's corrupted on my laptop. Does it open ok for you ? ?

works for me

hemdale said:
Hi Monte,
You really can't tell if Weidmuller is reranding Embla or the other way around...
Pressmaster by Embla
and Klauke...
All these three VERY similar strippers sold at three different prices.

I´m clueless

six-point socket said:
Hi,
Here's a Dowidat 1/2" socket wrench set from the late 70's to early 80's as far as I know. I inherited it from my Grandparents who got it as a gift from my Mom & Dad when they started to go camping with a caravan/trailer.
Cherished heirloom piece, for sure.
Kind regards, Oliver

wow almost looks like brand new ! The ratchet looks fantastic ! :drool:

winter work boots from Atlas. Ok the winter is almost over but better late than never

maico · Jan 29, 2016

maico said:
Yep, you are right Monte. Welded by mr Hoo Flung Dung

These stands look familiar..... ! The one in the middle is the same as mine.

https://www.weber-hydraulik.com/en/produkte/werkstattausruestung/?tx_anwendungen_products[product]=14&tx_anwendungen_products[action]=show&tx_anwendungen_products[controller]=Product&cHash=eb1c8a69b07e502f863ebbd6da5238c8

OK, I can confirm these range of stands are German made. Jutta Behringer at Weber confirmed it and sent me an original technical drawing dated 2007 by M Hosel. Weber have a larger range of stands available than the other companies so I'd be inclined to check them out for future purchases.

losvre · Jan 29, 2016

Peeb said:
Hi Peeb, very nice axes. Do you use them for something specific?

Click to expand...

losvre · Jan 29, 2016

Peeb said:
<a href="http://upic.me/show/57750185" target="_blank"><img border="0" src="http://upic.me/i/4g/cp001.jpg"></a

Peeb, what plier you have in there? Thanks

upgrading · Jan 29, 2016

Monte said:
winter work boots from Atlas. Ok the winter is almost over but better late than never

Ours has not really started yet, but still 2 possible winter months.

I like that reflective stripe.

Henning · Jan 30, 2016

hemdale said:
Hi Monte,

You really can't tell if Weidmuller is reranding Embla or the other way around...

http://www.weidmueller.com/int/products/tools/stripping/product-overview

Pressmaster by Embla

http://www.pressmaster.se/products/#strip_and_cut

and Klauke...

http://www.klauke.com/katalog/en/k-43-2-automatic-stripping-tool-0-02-10mm/

All these three VERY similar strippers sold at three different prices.

I know that the Embla is made in Sweden. It says so on the tool itself. I actually bought it to replace the similar one from Weidmuller/ Knipex.

As far as I have been able to tell there seems to be 3 different places producing this type of tool. Abiko/Embla in Sweden, Weidmuller in Germany and a place in the UK.

Case in point:

German made Knipex rebrand:

Swedish made Abiko/Embla (and I have to say, this one feels like superior quality):

And one made in UK and also rebranded Abiko:

I have looked at a lot of pic's on the 'net and it pretty much looks like variations over a theme so it seems it's 3 main manufacturers in Europe and then it's rebranded.

HCNDM · Jan 30, 2016

Monte said:
i don´t like it either...scrolling is annoying....i also don´t like the new logo....

yeah a little bit...

could be true too...

then only the Esco stands are left...

I was told if you sell enough of Bosch tools for example like 10.000.- worth of tools in a year you get 1% off extra or so. Or you get better prices if you buy a palett of tools. Most of the money is earned with accessoires like wire wheels or cutting discs this is also why these products are so expensive in a big box store, the wholesalers earn the money with the volume of sales to companies. (10 angle grinders here, 5 grinders there...)

I saw a report about Aldi in TV and a supplier of canned fish said that their margin is (iirc) 0.3 cent per can.

On the opposite of the scale are clothes. When you see the high sale rebates or the prices of like 79,95 € for a pair of Levis or a different brand and look at the coo of the clothes which is usually Bangladesh or China.... and the TV reports show that you can buy jeans from China for 3,20$ a pair then you know who really makes the money ...

works for me

I´m clueless

wow almost looks like brand new ! The ratchet looks fantastic !

winter work boots from Atlas. Ok the winter is almost over but better late than never

Correct clothing has the highest margin. Interestingly enough lingerie the highest within that category at 70 plus percent.

Brands like h&m and Zara a little less margin. Zara (Spanish) unlike the competition still produces some 40 percent within the Eu. They also own most of their own supply chain. They can go from design to shop floor in fourteen days on a fifth of their collection.

Jeans have the highest margin of all outer ware. Production costs on even a 400 euro pair of custom diesels being wel under fifteen euros. Most jeans cost 5-8 dollars to produce in China.

When I worked for Mexx Europe our jeans were produced side by side with major well known brands in China. Production costs between us and major brands differed in cents or were often the same. Retail price differed up to hundreds of euros.

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handtools-from-germany · Jan 30, 2016

The online shops "heisse-nuesse.de" and "tools-from-germany.com" are no longer online.

maico · Jan 30, 2016

Weber AB 3-1200

3 ton stand / 1.2m to 2m

bent0r · Jan 30, 2016

handtools-from-germany said:
The online shops "heisse-nuesse.de" and "tools-from-germany.com" are no longer online. The owner hadn´t paid finally the invoices at Hazet and don´t delivered customer orders. There were credit cards chargebacks because the customer did not receive your goods. He always calculated with wrong prices - good for customers at the beginning but not good for the company

Thanks for the Info. Wonder what's going on
with them, since the Website was Offline.

nanofrog · Jan 30, 2016

hemdale said:
You really can't tell if Weidmuller is reranding Embla or the other way around...

Pressmaster makes the Embla in Sweden (gets rebranded a lot, such as with a Wiha, Xcelite, Klauke, Abiko, and Waytek labels), while Weidmuller makes the Stripax themselves in Germany. So there's no rebranding going on between Pressmaster and Weidmuller.

FWIW, the cheapest way to get an Embla in the US is via Waytek (555 stripper). Blade cartridges too (standard and Teflon/PTFE).

No idea as to the best place to source one in Paris.

ticci · Jan 30, 2016

Some Matador from Bauhaus, all but 10mm socket stamped "Germany".

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Difference between sockets, 10mm on the left.

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And one of the most important tools these days:

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Nokia 6150, Made in Salo, Finland 10/1999.

Monte · Jan 30, 2016

upgrading said:
Ours has not really started yet, but still 2 possible winter months.
I like that reflective stripe.

maybe the winter will come back here ....it´s better to be prepared

HCNDM said:
Correct clothing has the highest margin. Interestingly enough lingerie the highest within that category at 70 plus percent.
Brands like h&m and Zara a little less margin. Zara (Spanish) unlike the competition still produces some 40 percent within the Eu. They also own most of their own supply chain. They can go from design to shop floor in fourteen days on a fifth of their collection.

Jeans have the highest margin of all outer ware. Production costs on even a 400 euro pair of custom diesels being wel under fifteen euros. Most jeans cost 5-8 dollars to produce in China.

When I worked for Mexx Europe our jeans were produced side by side with major well known brands in China. Production costs between us and major brands differed in cents or were often the same. Retail price differed up to hundreds of euros.

it is quite surprising that these companies cannot pay fair wages to their employees at these margins...What also makes me wonder is that you can buy "Made in USA" jeans in the US for like 40 dollar...
I once thought it would be a bright idea to start a own clothing brand...figure out a brand name, hire a celebrity and take pics....and soon you will be millionaire with these margins

...

maico said:
Weber AB 3-1200
3 ton stand / 1.2m to 2m

i guess 4 of these will cost about what a vehicle lift will cost...

Kungs ice scraper

honcho · Jan 30, 2016

Monte said:
it is quite surprising that these companies cannot pay fair wages to their employees at these margins...What also makes me wonder is that you can buy "Made in USA" jeans in the US for like 40 dollar...

It's all about almighty profits. I don't think there are any $40 Made In USA jeans left anymore. A few years ago, Levi Strauss took the bulk of their manufacturing out of the USA. They were making a few high dollar products in the USA but not their mainstream jeans. My grandmother worked making jeans for years and years but the clothing factories in that part of the USA are all gone now.

I need a new pair of winter boots. I wonder if Atlas has a distributor in the USA.

HCNDM · Jan 31, 2016

Monte said:
maybe the winter will come back here ....it´s better to be prepared

it is quite surprising that these companies cannot pay fair wages to their employees at these margins...What also makes me wonder is that you can buy "Made in USA" jeans in the US for like 40 dollar...

I once thought it would be a bright idea to start a own clothing brand...figure out a brand name, hire a celebrity and take pics....and soon you will be millionaire with these margins ...

i guess 4 of these will cost about what a vehicle lift will cost...

Kungs ice scraper

The margin is rarely profit. Bricks and mortar rent is outrageous in most Europeaan cities.

I have yet to see a fashion company sensibly managing overhead costs. Creativity and marketing tend to get big chunks of the budget.

It takes about 15 minutes of labor to assemble a pair of jeans. Stone washes and handling are largely automated. So by producing in China over US or Europe you can save about 3-4 euros labor. Nothing else. Still makes it possible to produce a pair of jeans for around ten bucks. 5 labor, 4 materials, 3 handling and wash.

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maico · Jan 31, 2016

I've got a pair of Levis 501 that are made in the UK. I don't think they do that any more.
Having said that, a while back Levis made a line of leather jackets based on their earliest vintage designs. No where in the States could produce them with the required look or standard so they used Aero Leather in Scotland to make several thousand

http://aeroleatherclothing.com/

sljeme345 · Jan 31, 2016

Monte said:
Thanks

These Wurth tools are from Kress:

So it seems Kress can make Mafell, Würth, AEG, Müpro, Flex, Perles, Eibenstock, Berner, Porter Cable, BTI and Spit quality

Monte, thanks for information.We had the presentation of the grinder and seemed quite well

I plan to take Kress 800 PPE SDS plus drill.

Dave455 · Jan 31, 2016

maico said:
I've got a pair of Levis 501 that are made in the UK. I don't think they do that any more.
Having said that, a while back Levis made a line of leather jackets based on their earliest vintage designs. No where in the States could produce them with the required look or standard so they used Aero Leather in Scotland to make several thousand

http://aeroleatherclothing.com/

Interesting link, looks like some decent stuff!

Thankfully, while cheaper clothing is often made overseas, once you get to decent stuff such as leather jackets, boots/shoes and so on, it doesn't seem to be too difficult to find a domestic supplier!

Maybe the reason for this is that many of theses manufacturers are smallish / family firms who understand their products and their customers.

Where tool manufacturers are concerned, the rot usually seems to set in when a firm gets taken over by some major, often foreign, corporation who think they know about profits, but sadly know nothing about tools!

dkroth · Jan 31, 2016

One can buy Made in USA jeans directly from Levi's. They command a premium price: $198 vs. $68.

http://www.levi.com/US/en_US/mens-jeans/p/005011995

I was in the Nike store yesterday. Many of their socks were Made in USA - same price as all the overseas ones. I was surprised by that as Nike has always been an overseas manufacturer.

SliderXTM · Jan 31, 2016

This week I was thinking about stopping by and spend all my money for tools

ticci · Jan 31, 2016

Remember to post pics!

SliderXTM · Jan 31, 2016

ticci said:
Remember to post pics!

I didn't stopped :sad:

vpavlov · Jan 31, 2016

Hello.
This is the Hilti eccentric sander my brother purchased on Ebay.

It seems to me this sander isn't made by Hilti. Can anyone (Monte :bowdown:

) chime in with details about it. Unfortunately this sander has some mechanical problem as it chatters quite a lot when powered. Can anyone suggest a source for spare parts for the sander? Thanks.

honcho · Jan 31, 2016

dkroth said:
I was in the Nike store yesterday. Many of their socks were Made in USA - same price as all the overseas ones. I was surprised by that as Nike has always been an overseas manufacturer.

Sock knitting is largely done by machine and the single biggest amount of labor is sewing the toes closed. There is a town in Alabama that is known as the sock capital and it's said that that it's only a penny's difference in the landed cost of socks that sways large buyers from USA made to imported socks.

Since this is about the "Old World" (Europe to most of us) my favorite socks are made in the UK by Pantherella. Unfortunately, they only make dress socks.

www.pantherella.com

maico · Jan 31, 2016

These pics where on ebay. Italian made OMCN stands, an interesting design.

voodooaw · Feb 1, 2016

nanofrog said:
Pressmaster makes the Embla in Sweden (gets rebranded a lot, such as with a Wiha, Xcelite, Klauke, Abiko, and Waytek labels), while Weidmuller makes the Stripax themselves in Germany. So there's no rebranding going on between Pressmaster and Weidmuller.

FWIW, the cheapest way to get an Embla in the US is via Waytek (555 stripper). Blade cartridges too (standard and Teflon/PTFE).

No idea as to the best place to source one in Paris.

I have been trying to find out who is the wire stripper/crimper manufactrure in UK, but found nothing. Do you have any idea about that?

humber2 · Feb 1, 2016

http://www.trademe.co.nz/building-r...ools/spanners-wrenches/auction-1022397264.htm

A new name to me, who made this and when?

Bodmann

submariner · Feb 1, 2016

I'm looking to buy a thin jaw adjustable wrench for cycling use. Currently I'm using a 150 & 180 mm Knipex pliers wrench. I know about the Bahco 9029T and Irega SWO 92XS but since I own a lot of German brands (Hazet, Knipex, Bosch), anybody in Germany makes them?

Thanks :rocker:

Mr MoAiZo · Feb 1, 2016

New Brockhaus Heuer Front 160mm, 27kg.

I got me the Turnus picks.

Turns out that they have two sets with the same name but a different EAN number.
Mine has not the fancy bag and no 'Made in Germany' on them.

maico · Feb 1, 2016

Mr MoAiZo said:
New Brockhaus Heuer Front 160mm, 27kg.

What type of paint finish is that ? It's the same as on my Compac jack and stands.

Snakevz · Feb 1, 2016

Does anyone know anything about Delta Solingen (or something like that)?
I had this prunning shears laying around for some time, they've been full of rust, but nothing what bit of vinegar couldn't solve :lol:

They need few new things, but I'll put them back in working order. :drool:

Also, I would like to make some sort of a grips for them, I've had some shears like that with something like transparent yellow gardening hose on handles, and they were great... If someone has any advice, I would be gratefull :thumbup:

p.s. sorry for my bad english :willy_nil

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EDIT: I've found company named Hugo Linder Deltawerk AG, maybe it has some relations with these shears...

Mr MoAiZo · Feb 1, 2016

And an used Schlegel arrived today.

It looks tiny compared to the bigger Brockhaus Heuer Front.

Compared to Montes it lacks 'Made in Germany'.
Were Schlegel also produced outside of Germany?
Nonetheless I like it.

voodooaw · Feb 1, 2016

submariner said:
I'm looking to buy a thin jaw adjustable wrench for cycling use. Currently I'm using a 150 & 180 mm Knipex pliers wrench. I know about the Bahco 9029T and Irega SWO 92XS but since I own a lot of German brands (Hazet, Knipex, Bosch), anybody in Germany makes them?

Thanks

There is no adjustable wrench made in Germany now. But if you only want a german stamp, you may go to these VDE ones (not thing jaw). At least the insulation layer is made in Germany :lol_hitti

.

Monte · Feb 1, 2016

more jack stands:

Cattini from Italy

Dendro from Sweden:

hemdale said:
Danke !!

just looked around the garage...my Metec tool box and my Rau workbench also have castors from Blickle

upgrading said:
When did Gedore move their Pliers making to Austria ?

wikipedia says 1972

honcho said:
It's all about almighty profits. I don't think there are any $40 Made In USA jeans left anymore. A few years ago, Levi Strauss took the bulk of their manufacturing out of the USA. They were making a few high dollar products in the USA but not their mainstream jeans. My grandmother worked making jeans for years and years but the clothing factories in that part of the USA are all gone now.

I need a new pair of winter boots. I wonder if Atlas has a distributor in the USA.

You can buy 100% Made in USA jeans from"Texas" brand for a mere 25.- $ right now.... click, Round House currently charges about 40$ for theirs, Pointer Brand, Justice Clothing, Diamond Gusset and Prison Blues also offer USA made jeans for about 30 to 60 $. Sad to hear that about your grandmother but it seems the days of manual labour are numbered...
btw. i emailed Atlas...

HCNDM said:
The margin is rarely profit. Bricks and mortar rent is outrageous in most Europeaan cities.

I have yet to see a fashion company sensibly managing overhead costs. Creativity and marketing tend to get big chunks of the budget.

It takes about 15 minutes of labor to assemble a pair of jeans. Stone washes and handling are largely automated. So by producing in China over US or Europe you can save about 3-4 euros labor. Nothing else. Still makes it possible to produce a pair of jeans for around ten bucks. 5 labor, 4 materials, 3 handling and wash.

that´s right... i don´t say they shouldn´t earn money...only a few dollars more per day for the workers might be enough...

sljeme345 said:
Monte, thanks for information.We had the presentation of the grinder and seemed quite well
I plan to take Kress 800 PPE SDS plus drill.

Good choice :thumbup:

vpavlov said:
Hello.
This is the Hilti eccentric sander my brother purchased on Ebay.
It seems to me this sander isn't made by Hilti. Can anyone (Monte) chime in with details about it. Unfortunately this sander has some mechanical problem as it chatters quite a lot when powered. Can anyone suggest a source for spare parts for the sander? Thanks.

Made in Switzerland ? I guess Bosch

humber2 said:
http://www.trademe.co.nz/building-r...ools/spanners-wrenches/auction-1022397264.htm

A new name to me, who made this and when?

Bodmann

not much info....except there was a company called "Otto Bodmann" founded in 1923...

submariner said:
I'm looking to buy a thin jaw adjustable wrench for cycling use. Currently I'm using a 150 & 180 mm Knipex pliers wrench. I know about the Bahco 9029T and Irega SWO 92XS but since I own a lot of German brands (Hazet, Knipex, Bosch), anybody in Germany makes them?
Thanks

i think these are the thinnest: http://www.engineer.jp/en/products/twm03e.html

Snakevz said:
Also, I would like to make some sort of a grips for them, I've had some shears like that with something like transparent yellow gardening hose on handles, and they were great... If someone has any advice, I would be gratefull

Maybe this will work: www.plastidip.co.uk

Mr MoAiZo said:
And an used Schlegel arrived today.
Compared to Montes it lacks 'Made in Germany'.
Were Schlegel also produced outside of Germany?
Nonetheless I like it.

I´m not aware that they produced elsewhere...

Aral fuel can made by www.huenersdorff.de

bart1 · Feb 1, 2016

Monte said:
more jack stands:

...

Aral fuel can made by www.huenersdorff.de
...

Hey, I have a rebranded version of that can (not my pic, but I have the same one - a gift from a German friend)

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upgrading · Feb 1, 2016

Monte said:
wikipedia says 1972

Wow.
Those pliers should be called NWOS(New wicked old stock) then.

The Italians make some solid jack stands based on all the pics posted the past few pages.

jkuc003 · Feb 1, 2016

Does anyone have or has anyone used one of Webers trolley jacks? I believe this must be an older model

Any info on quality etc. would be great

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