Tools from the old world

[losvre]

Hi Nanofrog,

I will post some pictures of some NOS Lindstrom made in Sweden. I need your opinion with regards to the cutting edge.

Have a good night

Hello nanofrog,

As discussed earlier below is a flush end cutter (1531D) and a a nipper which I think is near to a flush cut (7131D).

Just bought them NOS and quite expensive.

The end cutter cuts effortlessly (like butter) through the wire but only at the front part. It seems that the edges do not close along the whole length. Is this right?

In following photo I kept the cutter slightly open so you could see that thew is some deterioration on the edge towards the back of the cutter.

Under the magnifier

With the nipper you need to apply some force in order to cut the same wire however I don't have the same problem as with the end cutter along the length of the edges. Under light it does show that surfaces do not much 100% either.

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[Superbec]

Hello nanofrog,



Just bought them NOS and quite expensive.

those look more like used and made to look nice or refurbished, or C grade stock to me .

I would send them back , I've seen mainland china better than that

 

[pedrodagr8]

those look more like used and made to look nice or refurbished, or C grade stock to me .

I would send them back , I've seen mainland china better than that

I have to agree with you.

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[nanofrog]

Hello nanofrog,

As discussed earlier below is a flush end cutter (1531D) and a a nipper which I think is near to a flush cut (7131D).

Just bought them NOS and quite expensive.

The end cutter cuts effortlessly (like butter) through

In following photo I kept the cutter slightly open so you could see that thew is some deterioration on the edge towards the back of the cutter.

With the nipper you need to apply some force in order to cut the same wire however I don't have the same problem as with the end cutter along the length of the edges. Under light it does show that surfaces do not much 100% .

Those are horrible, even for lap joints.

I suspect they'really rejects or as mentioned, half-arsed refurbished.

 

[Superbec]

had a small TBS run... the ruller is disappointing, badly glued hazet sticker on it.

didn't get much for 50 E...

 

[Monte]

Sir Monte please need help -how do you rate Witte Protop Plus against Pb Swiss only about quality of blade i want to buy a set from amazon.Thanks

Can´t say anything bad about their blades PB probably is good too
Do you often work with worn out/old (slotted) screws ? If yes i would choose slotted screwdrivers with "v" shaped tips first.

Any Idea about who made this one? Phoenix contact acquired Pressmaster, but this model is made in UK.

Maybe made by Abeco ?
http://zbtools.co.uk
Couldn´t find the exact model though















Fiskars saw for their long reach pruners:

 

[losvre]

Can´t say anything bad about their blades PB probably is good too
Do you often work with worn out/old (slotted) screws ? If yes i would choose slotted screwdrivers with "v" shaped tips first.

Hi Monte,

Are "v" shaped tips the usual ones that all screwdriver have except PB?

Thanks

 

[jessysirazvan]

Quote:
Originally Posted by jessysirazvan View Post
Sir Monte please need help -how do you rate Witte Protop Plus against Pb Swiss only about quality of blade i want to buy a set from amazon.Thanks
Can´t say anything bad about their blades PB probably is good too
Do you often work with worn out/old (slotted) screws ? If yes i would choose slotted screwdrivers with "v" shaped tips first.


Thanks Monte.I use the screwdriver only just as auto mechanic so probably i will pick the witte protop plus for the microfiber handle

 

[losvre]

had a small TBS run... the ruller is disappointing, badly glued hazet sticker on it.

didn't get much for 50 E...

I got the facom 8m when I was in TBS for 9.95 and it looks and feels good.

With Hazet I think that not all their tools are of good quality. I mostly but the Stahlwille equivalent and I have had not one bad yet.

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[losvre]

Hello nanofrog,

As discussed earlier below is a flush end cutter (1531D) and a a nipper which I think is near to a flush cut (7131D).

Just bought them NOS and quite expensive.

The end cutter cuts effortlessly (like butter) through the wire but only at the front part. It seems that the edges do not close along the whole length. Is this right?

In following photo I kept the cutter slightly open so you could see that thew is some deterioration on the edge towards the back of the cutter.

Under the magnifier

With the nipper you need to apply some force in order to cut the same wire however I don't have the same problem as with the end cutter along the length of the edges. Under light it does show that surfaces do not much 100% either.

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Last night I check the nipper on some soft soldering wire, hope that is ok? The edges from the middle backwards are not

Hello nanofrog,

As discussed earlier below is a flush end cutter (1531D) and a a nipper which I think is near to a flush cut (7131D).

Just bought them NOS and quite expensive.

The end cutter cuts effortlessly (like butter) through the wire but only at the front part. It seems that the edges do not close along the whole length. Is this right?

In following photo I kept the cutter slightly open so you could see that thew is some deterioration on the edge towards the back of the cutter.

Under the magnifier

With the nipper you need to apply some force in order to cut the same wire however I don't have the same problem as with the end cutter along the length of the edges. Under light it does show that surfaces do not much 100% either.

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I contacted the seller and he will replace. He said he never had a problem before with these!

Last night I checked the nipper on some soft soldering wire (hopefully is allowed)? The edges from the middle backwards are not able to make a 100% clean cut while the half front is perfect.

What do you think from the pictures below. I does not look that bad.

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[wazzza]

My newly aquired 900 mm long bolt cutter. I got it from my father in law from Sweden. The cutter is made by E. A. Berg in Eskilstuna, Sweden. I dont know how old it is, but EAB was sold to Bacho in the 50s if I am not mistaken.. I found an advertisement dated to 1932 were the cutter is pictured so it is probably from early 30s... The jaws are a bit chipped, but otherwise in cood working condition..

 

[losvre]

Is it Bahco the OEM for Stahlwille Ratchet Bit holder?

Bahco
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Stahlwille
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[Sam.]

Any recommendations for a made in Europe claw hammer? Around 20oz if possible. Thanks.

 

[losvre]

Anyone used the Wera shallow sockets anything negative about them? How is the tolerances and fitment in general? Thanks

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[losvre]

Here is a comparison of the Facom latest bit ratchet vs older style. See the difference in angle, approximately, at one click from centre.

60 teeth vs 24 teeth I think.
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[jessysirazvan]

Pb Swiss PH2 & PZ2

now i'm waiting for witte protop plus

 

[Mr MoAiZo]

New tools from Ko-ken.
1/4" metric sockets Z-series, 3/8" ratchet Z-series, 1/2" 19mm wheel nuts, 1/2" spin handle.


The normal Ko-ken series is top-notch, but the Z-series is simply outstanding.
I have never worked with better tools. Wow.

Seldom used Sandvik-Belzer 1/2" ergo ratchet.



Very clever in design.


Still looking for the Heyco ratchets though.

 

[losvre]

New tools from Ko-ken.
1/4" metric sockets Z-series, 3/8" ratchet Z-series, 1/2" 19mm wheel nuts, 1/2" spin handle.


The normal Ko-ken series is top-notch, but the Z-series is simply outstanding.
I have never worked with better tools. Wow.

Seldom used Sandvik-Belzer 1/2" ergo ratchet.



Very clever in design.


Still looking for the Heyco ratchets though.

Hello Mr MoAiZo,

May I ask how are the Koken Zeal feel on the touch? Are they shiny polished? Do they have any knurling to help when you have greasy hands?

How is the ratcheting of the Belzer and if possible the total height at head, including the square?

Many thanks

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[dutchgray]

Is it Bahco the OEM for Stahlwille Ratchet Bit holder?

Bahco
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Stahlwille
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They are Taiwan made, quite a few brands sell a version.

 

[Superbec]

Pb Swiss PH2 & PZ2


now i'm waiting for witte protop plus

NOOO , now you'll get the bug ...
PBswiss 4 life

New tools from Ko-ken.
1

the long impact sockets look amazing !

I don't have any KoKen

 

[Monte]

Hi Monte,
Are "v" shaped tips the usual ones that all screwdriver have except PB?
Thanks

yep

Thanks Monte.I use the screwdriver only just as auto mechanic so probably i will pick the witte protop plus for the microfiber handle

here are some good prices of Witte drivers: (if you can live with black/green handles )
http://www.tbs-aachen.de/Stahlwille_at_Work_Aktion_2016_c3736.htm

What do you think from the pictures below. I does not look that bad.

I think no light should be visible between the blades.....

Any recommendations for a made in Europe claw hammer? Around 20oz if possible. Thanks.

american style or euro style ?














Stihl leather work gloves

Is India old world ?

 

[upgrading]

What does the S or P indicate on a Hazet ratchet item number ?

 

[jessysirazvan]

Thanks Monte for witte stahlwille link

 

[losvre]

NOOO , now you'll get the bug ...
PBswiss 4 life




the long impact sockets look amazing !

I don't have any KoKen

That's a shame, you need to buy Koken for sure[emoji1]

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[Cybermike]

My newly aquired 900 mm long bolt cutter. I got it from my father in law from Sweden. The cutter is made by E. A. Berg in Eskilstuna, Sweden. I dont know how old it is, but EAB was sold to Bacho in the 50s if I am not mistaken.. I found an advertisement dated to 1932 were the cutter is pictured so it is probably from early 30s... The jaws are a bit chipped, but otherwise in cood working condition..

My bolt cutter looks like yours
Mine was made by Adler staal. A former Dutch company

 

[jessysirazvan]

Facom 8x175 the machining of tip blade are very very poor ,on one side tip measure with caliper 1,12mm on other side of tip measure 1,18mm-this never happened with Wiha or Pb Swiss

 

[jessysirazvan]

@Superbec

NOOO , now you'll get the bug ...
PBswiss 4 life






Yes i like too Pb swiss i like it because the Santoprene handle are oil,solvent, acetone,benzin resistant and the tips machined are perfect ,but are very expensive costs more than gold,for the quality of tip blade only the time will tell if is good

 

[losvre]

Hello guys,

Which ratchet 1/4" i should go for?

Stahlwille 415 QRN 80 teeth or Gedore 2093 U-20 60 teeth?

When tested both some time ago I was suprised by Gedore having almost no backdrag at all. However I do not remember what is the height of the Gedore head including the square, anyone has any measurements?

On the other hand the Stahlwille felt more rigid/ robust but more tight with a bit of backdrag, probably gets better with use.

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[jessysirazvan]

Hello guys,

Which ratchet 1/4" i should go for?

Stahlwille 415 QRN 80 teeth or Gedore 2093 U-20 60 teeth?

When tested both some time ago I was suprised by Gedore having almost no backdrag at all. However I do not remember what is the height of the Gedore head including the square, anyone has any measurements?

On the other hand the Stahlwille felt more rigid/ robust but more tight with a bit of backdrag, probably gets better with use.

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Gedore 2093 U-20 must have 40 teeth because return angle are 9 degrees(on Gedore site) so 360:9=40 teeth, stahlwille must have 4.5 angle degrees.I have Stahlville 411 and the plastic handle are very slippery in oily or dirty environment.Maybe next week i will buy gedore because i like it more the flat handle hope not so slippery like stahlwille,the only doubt is that I do not know if COO of Gedore 2093 U-20 is germany if someone can confirm this?

 

[losvre]

Gedore 2093 U-20 must have 40 teeth because return angle are 9 degrees(on Gedore site) so 360:9=40 teeth, stahlwille must have 4.5 angle degrees.I have Stahlville 411 and the plastic handle are very slippery in oily or dirty environment.Maybe next week i will buy gedore because i like it more the flat handle hope not so slippery like stahlwille,the only doubt is that I do not know if COO of Gedore 2093 U-20 is germany if someone can confirm this?

Coo of the Gedore is Germany as far as I remember when looked one at the shop. That was not a recent production though.

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[Mr MoAiZo]

Hello Mr MoAiZo,

May I ask how are the Koken Zeal feel on the touch? Are they shiny polished? Do they have any knurling to help when you have greasy hands?

How is the ratcheting of the Belzer and if possible the total height at head, including the square?

Many thanks

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Hi there,

the Ko-ken tools are mor polished than e.g. Gedore (Rahsol), but less than Hazet or Stahlwille.
Also they do not offer knurling in the Z-series, the standard series has it though.
If you buy the AS-line from Ko-ken - which is for SAE aeronautic use - they are nearly as much polished as Snap-On, SK Tool or KTC Nepros.




Head comparison of Belzer (60 tooth) ratchet w/ quick release.

vs. Gedore (60t, quick release)



vs. SO (80t, standard release)



vs. Proxxon (44t, quick release)


I think you get the deal.

 

[decaf]

At last i get my hands on this beauty, Thanks Knipex! (or Orbis?)



And then a couple of the best hex wrenches the world have to offer

 

[Monte]

Gloria "Thermoflamm bio Comfort" weed terminator:

 

[losvre]

Hi there,

the Ko-ken tools are mor polished than e.g. Gedore (Rahsol), but less than Hazet or Stahlwille.
Also they do not offer knurling in the Z-series, the standard series has it though.
If you buy the AS-line from Ko-ken - which is for SAE aeronautic use - they are nearly as much polished as Snap-On, SK Tool or KTC Nepros.




Head comparison of Belzer (60 tooth) ratchet w/ quick release.

vs. Gedore (60t, quick release)



vs. SO (80t, standard release)



vs. Proxxon (44t, quick release)


I think you get the deal.

Thank you very much Mr MoAiZo,

I am looking to buy some Zeal ones and I wonder if they are not like the Facom style which is really slippery when working.

I mostly prefer sockets that are not chrome/ Nickel shiny polished, as you say the Gedore style or Stahlwille.

How is the ratcheting of the Belzer, smooth, backstage? The size looks to be approximately the same as the ones you have pictured.


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[Monte]

Stahlwille - Made in Germany

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They showed that video the first time at the cologne tool fair. Some people even applauded after the video... Time to buy some more Stahlwille tools ...

 

[miataboys]

Coo of the Gedore is Germany as far as I remember when looked one at the shop. That was not a recent production though.

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Its made in Germany, can deliver measurements another day, i can say that the Carolus Slim Sixty 1/4 Ratchet has a thinner head by about 2mm.

 

[losvre]

Stahlwille - Made in Germany

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They showed that video the first time at the cologne tool fair. Some people even applauded after the video... Time to buy some more Stahlwille tools ...

Hi Monte and all,

I have discussed this topic of quality of tools with wholesaler and supplier of the main German tools, Knipex, Gedore, Hazet , Stahlwille and Wera and the have pointed out to me that Stahlwille is on the top and the rest are following.

The main point they made is that Stahlwille keeps the same quality as many years ago while the others are not on par.

When I asked about Wera I was told that they have very good bits, screwdrivers and sockets but they have experienced a lot of issues with ratchets after using them for some time.

Saying that, quite a few companies have their niche products. The problem is to find which products are best from which company.

And I think that is the role of the GJ, to identify the best tools for the job.




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[fordkid88]

Hi Monte and all,

I have discussed this topic of quality of tools with wholesaler and supplier of the main German tools, Knipex, Gedore, Hazet , Stahlwille and Wera and the have pointed out to me that Stahlwille is on the top and the rest are following.

The main point they made is that Stahlwille keeps the same quality as many years ago while the others are not on par.

When I asked about Wera I was told that they have very good bits, screwdrivers and sockets but they have experienced a lot of issues with ratchets after using them for some time.

Saying that, quite a few companies have their niche products. The problem is to find which products are best from which company.

And I think that is the role of the GJ, to identify the best tools for the job.




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If it hasn't already been started a thread should be started to see how these tools hold up after a year of heavy use.

 

[Superbec]

@Superbec

NOOO , now you'll get the bug ...
PBswiss 4 life


Yes i like too Pb swiss i like it because the Santoprene handle are oil,solvent, acetone,benzin resistant and the tips machined are perfect ,but are very expensive costs more than gold,for the quality of tip blade only the time will tell if is good

mai bune n-o sa gasesti , crede-ma

yes they are expensive , but comparing to other quality brands at retail price is not such a big difference , i like and use my wera, wiha etc with no issues every day but the PBs are something special

 

[jessysirazvan]

mai bune n-o sa gasesti , crede-ma

yes they are expensive , but comparing to other quality brands at retail price is not such a big difference , i like and use my wera, wiha etc with no issues every day but the PBs are something special

M-ai convins de acum incolo o sa-mi cumpar numai surubelnițe Pb Swiss

You're right price difference is not great ,I pay Usag( same Facom )PZ2=10€ ,pb swiss PZ2 =9€ but quality is unquestionably better on pb swiss.Usag driver already shows signs of wear after a week of use so quality is not so good as I thought,same i can tell about Facom protwist that have tip very bad machining on one side measure 1.12mm on other 1.18mm,Felo maybe on par with Facom-Usag i own 800 blue series,Witte and Wera not own so i can't tell nothing,wiha microfinish very good quality maybe near to pb swiss
So you convinced me my next screwdriver Pb swiss.(but i have to wait for salary)