Vinko
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If you google, they might show up. Wasn't it tooltopia.com or tool [something or other].com?
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Tools from the old world
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If you google, they might show up. Wasn't it tooltopia.com or tool [something or other].com?
@madmark: click
@zorro13:
There are a couple of these vises at ebay.de right now: click I think they go up to 80- 100 € or so. Maybe because there are a couple offered a little bit less. The other vice which i posted which looks like the Leinen i sold to a garage buddy for 100.- € (140 $) with swivel plate. I think its a fair price for such a vice since they last forever.
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@zorro13:
There are a couple of these vises at ebay.de right now: click I think they go up to 80- 100 € or so. Maybe because there are a couple offered a little bit less. The other vice which i posted which looks like the Leinen i sold to a garage buddy for 100.- € (140 $) with swivel plate. I think its a fair price for such a vice since they last forever.
superautobacs
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Many, many pages ago in this thread, I saw your Leinen vise and thought it was one heavy duty looking vice with a non-conventional design. Didn't know much about vises back then (well, I still don't) , but after looking at these recent photos of yours, I realize why it has a different design. ...and I think it's a good idea (looks darn good, too!), but I wonder why others have not taken this approach in their vise design? Maybe there's some drawbacks that I can't figure out. Do you, Monte, and others have a preference?
[EDIT] Monte, the L-shaped bar that comes out from the base controls the swivel feature?
[EDIT] Monte, the L-shaped bar that comes out from the base controls the swivel feature?
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Not exactly, I.m servicing industrial machines etc and a I need a good bench grinder for many parts that need cleaning.Greif is the top for me, but a little more than I can afford...I've seen the nebes and it looks good,but I'll have a look when I visit your country next December or March.(Tool tourism@zed:
Are you into metal working ? If so i recommend a belt grinder. Will make your life much easier...
)The advantage of vises opening to the front is that you can clamp large clunky workpieces which extends below the workbench vertically. With vises opening to the back this is not always possible. Also the drop forged/welded vises opening to the front are usually thinner (the part which comes out of the vise body) so the jaws have a large contact area if you have wide workpieces which extend vertically below the vise itself. Cast vises which opens to the front like the Wiltons have a large round or rectangular moving part which comes out of the vise and reduce the amount of the jaw contact area if you clamp the workpiece vertically. This is because of the lower strength of cast material versus forged steel. Another advantage of forged steel vises is that they won`t break. If they should wear you always can align them with the screws on the side which is not possible on most cast vises. The advantage of the european design cast vises (opening to the back) is that if you clamp a workpiece which you have to strike hard you can put the workpiece onto the solid part of the front jaw and strike it so the workpiece don`t slip. I wouldn`t do this with vices where the front jaw is movable (cast no, forged yes) since this is the weak spot of the vise (already saw one where the front jaw and part of the guide broken off). Another advantage of cast vices is the sheer mass and weight which result in less vibration if you drill something for example (weight about twice of similar forged vises). Also if you clamp heavy workpieces the center of gravity is onto the workbench and not beside the bench like you have with front opening vises which could cause small rolling workbenches/tool boxes to tilt to the side. Also the clamping accuracy is very high because of the long dovetail guide.
@superautobacs: Yes the handle locks the vise into place if you push it down. To release the vise you have to pull the handle up.
The problem to clamp bulky pieces with vises can be solved with this:
Sometimes you can`t use the handle of the vise because the handle extends too much if you have clamped a large workpiece which extends horizontally above the vise for example so you need to always push the handle to the opposite side to turn the handle. This is the solution:
1/2" square drive:
@superautobacs: Yes the handle locks the vise into place if you push it down. To release the vise you have to pull the handle up.
The problem to clamp bulky pieces with vises can be solved with this:
Sometimes you can`t use the handle of the vise because the handle extends too much if you have clamped a large workpiece which extends horizontally above the vise for example so you need to always push the handle to the opposite side to turn the handle. This is the solution:
1/2" square drive:
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Not exactly, I.m servicing industrial machines etc and a I need a good bench grinder for many parts that need cleaning.Greif is the top for me, but a little more than I can afford...I've seen the nebes and it looks good,but I'll have a look when I visit your country next December or March.(Tool tourism
So you are self employed or does the employer not supply the tools ?
If you`re here you also could pick up a Bosch grinder or one of the blue Metabo`s they are a bit cheaper than the Nebes version.
ps: have nice toolidays !
Some things from the flea market which i brought home for 20 € ($29.-)
"Atorn" brand adjustable wrench with composite handle
"Delphin" ("Dolphin") aluminium knife:
www.delphinwerkzeuge.de
Lobtex/Lobster nut rivet tool:
www.riveter.com/
"Atorn" brand adjustable wrench with composite handle
"Delphin" ("Dolphin") aluminium knife:
www.delphinwerkzeuge.de
Lobtex/Lobster nut rivet tool:
www.riveter.com/
LGMechanical
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thats the same wrench lol. i bought a set last year. 6",8",10" set was on sale for $20
The decals peel off quick. I like the shape though. I doesn't hurt the hand when you are tugging on it.
superautobacs
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Man, I wish I can find Lobster hand tools over on this side of the world, let alone, at a flea market. They offer some good looking wrenches.
I've played with those Mastercraft adjustables under numerous occasions, but I've never been impressed by the slop it has. The ergonomic handle is a
though. Although, the composite handle, especially with the largest size, makes it quite unbalanced...IMO.
The Delphin blade holder is primo! I've been happy with my Lenox (same one offered at Hazet!) that I've been using very frequently, but I'd sure like to try that one out. The holder opens via a thumbwheel, right? Also, can you tell us about the 2000K ones?
BTW, thanks for the pros and cons on the Leinen type of vise, and that Magnat vise offers a good feature--I could've appreciated that feature a few times if my current one had it.
They offer some good looking wrenches.I've played with those Mastercraft adjustables under numerous occasions, but I've never been impressed by the slop it has. The ergonomic handle is a
though. Although, the composite handle, especially with the largest size, makes it quite unbalanced...IMO.The Delphin blade holder is primo! I've been happy with my Lenox (same one offered at Hazet!) that I've been using very frequently, but I'd sure like to try that one out. The holder opens via a thumbwheel, right? Also, can you tell us about the 2000K ones?
BTW, thanks for the pros and cons on the Leinen type of vise, and that Magnat vise offers a good feature--I could've appreciated that feature a few times if my current one had it.
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Wanted to use my composite handle wrench today and already dropped it . A small part chipped off:
This pic is from a japanese blog. Thats probably how a wrench looks like if you really use it....:
other versions:
Blue point
Proxxon from germany
ideal
greenlee
Peugeot Muller
sealey/premier
pics from the manufacturer
http://cens.com/cens/supplier/4600/product/37150/BIG.jpg?***=1253780647129
. A small part chipped off:
This pic is from a japanese blog. Thats probably how a wrench looks like if you really use it....:
other versions:
Blue point
Proxxon from germany
ideal
greenlee
Peugeot Muller
sealey/premier
pics from the manufacturer
http://cens.com/cens/supplier/4600/product/37150/BIG.jpg?***=1253780647129
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So you are self employed or does the employer not supply the tools ?
If you`re here you also could pick up a Bosch grinder or one of the blue Metabo`s they are a bit cheaper than the Nebes version.
ps: have nice toolidays !
I try to find the best for the shop I work, but I also have to expand my tool collection
I'll try to post some of my tools.Man, I wish I can find Lobster hand tools over on this side of the world, let alone, at a flea market.
I've played with those Mastercraft adjustables under numerous occasions, but I've never been impressed by the slop it has. The ergonomic handle is a
The Delphin blade holder is primo! I've been happy with my Lenox (same one offered at Hazet!) that I've been using very frequently, but I'd sure like to try that one out. The holder opens via a thumbwheel, right? Also, can you tell us about the 2000K ones?
BTW, thanks for the pros and cons on the Leinen type of vise, and that Magnat vise offers a good feature--I could've appreciated that feature a few times if my current one had it.
There are a couple of shops in the US who sell the Lobster rivet tools. Maybe they can get the (adjustable ?) wrenches too. www.s-bgroup.com
The dude at the flea market also had the Lobster pop rivet tool for 10.- € but i already have a rivet tool from "Gesipa"
and also this one: "Gesipa Flipper"
Which Lenox knife ? This one ? It seems to be a new trend. Everybody has such a knife now... Bahco, Bessey, c-man, Bluepoint, Snapon, Husky, Kobalt, Pittsburgh, Sheffield, Irwin, u.s. tape, Personna...
yes the knife opens with the wheel:
The Delphin "2000K" is made of plastic and features a new locking system for quick blade exchange. Ideal for cutting bitumen, carpet, roofing cardboard etc... (the text don`t say how the mechanism work but i guess you just open the red lever and the knife comes apart)
no problem ! Post some pics of your vise ( and also of the promised Bahco screwdriver
)@zed: yes please post some pics of your tools !!!!
i ordered the plastic handle version a while ago but i received the metal handle version instead so i already had the metal handle style. I personally prefer plastic/rubber coated handles on all my tools. Ratchets, screwdrivers, clamps, air tools etc... They fit better in my hand (not so thin) are not as cold as metal handles in the winter, not as slippery with oily hands etc.
superautobacs
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Yeah, I thought it'be nice to have the 5pc set--one for 10,12,14,17,19mm, easily identifiable colour codes.
The dude at the flea market also had the Lobster pop rivet tool for 10.- € but i already have a rivet tool from "Gesipa"
and also this one: "Gesipa Flipper"
I like how they have a case that even incorporates storage space for rivets.
Tells about the unique looking Gesipa Flipper.
Which Lenox knife ? This one ? It seems to be a new trend. Everybody has such a knife now... Bahco, Bessey, c-man, Bluepoint, Snapon, Husky, Kobalt, Pittsburgh, Sheffield, Irwin, u.s. tape, Personna...
Yeah, it definitely seems to be a trend. I have seen them, but I simply don't see the attraction to them, and so I don't own any.
Nope, that's not the one; it's this one:
yes the knife opens with the wheel:
I really like simple, no frills blade holders like this. No springs or mechanisms to break or get jammed up. It has a good arc on the handle and more importantly, it appears to be rigid--a great candidate for a roofing knife, cutting tough asphalt singles.
On the right, is there a place to store blades?
Post some pics of your vise ( and also of the promised Bahco screwdriver
I finished my assignment last night.
Here's my "No.4 Nodular" Schulz mechanics vise:
It reads: Joinville / S. Catarina / "Technologia De Vanguarda"
In the center: Ind. Brasileira
I'm wondering if our Brazilian members can tell us something about this vise/company.
Here's the old Bahco 613 screwdriver:
Exactly my reason for getting rubber/plastic handled ratchets, too.
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Yeah, I thought it'be nice to have the 5pc set--one for 10,12,14,17,19mm, easily identifiable colour codes.
haha lol !!
Don`t forget a SAE set and British Whitworth !
I like how they have a case that even incorporates storage space for rivets.
Tells about the unique looking Gesipa Flipper
ok !
Design Features: While closing, the hand gradually increases its force. This natural property is amplified by a smart lever design for setting blind rivets, thus providing an outstanding ergonomic design. A reduction of 40% of the hand force is obtained by using more strokes. Action lever equipped with an opening spring for optimal single-handed operation. Spring loaded jaw mechanism for positive and automatic spent mandrel release. Spent mandrel container can be slipped onto the tool body and is easy to empty. Long tool stroke: an advantage when setting blind rivets which are too long. Compact design, die-cast aluminium tool body and high grade steel lever contribute to the outstanding durability. The pivot pin is secured against self-rotation to ensure no wear.
short version:
• Unique ratching mechanism reduces setting effort by 40%
• Ergonomic handles feature cushioned rubber grips
• Spent mandrel collector also houses additional nose tips and wrench for easy changeover
www.gesipa.com
Yeah, it definitely seems to be a trend. I have seen them, but I simply don't see the attraction to them, and so I don't own any.
Nope, that's not the one; it's this one:
I also don`t own one I only have these:
(KDS + Olfa)
I really like simple, no frills blade holders like this. No springs or mechanisms to break or get jammed up. It has a good arc on the handle and more importantly, it appears to be rigid--a great candidate for a roofing knife, cutting tough asphalt singles.
On the right, is there a place to store blades?
There is a engineers saying here: "the simplest solution is always the best solution"
yess ! Look:
I finished my assignment last night.
Here's my "No.4 Nodular" Schulz mechanics vise:
thx 4 the pics !! If you type "torno de bancada schulz" into google then a bunch of schulz vises appear. Schulz HP: click
It seems they are specialized in manufacturing compressors and car parts. They were founded in 1963 in the city of "Joinville". Joinville was founded in 1851 by immigrants from germany, switzerland and norway (wiki) ...( I wondered because of the name "Schulz" which is german). Joinville is in the federal state of Santa Catarina, which explain the inscription on the vise.
In france they make cast vises in a similar style (compared to the german "Schlegel" and (former german) "Leinen" (italy) vises (open to the back)
"Dolex" brand
"Sambre et meuse" brand:
This one also has guides on the sides of the sliding part. like your Schulz. Also the support piece of metal below the sliding part like the others.
Exactly my reason for getting rubber/plastic handled ratchets, too.
mmhhh colorful fantastic plastic (and rubber) world
ps: took some more pics of the newly acquired koken ratchet:
1/2" ratchet on top, 3/8" koken, 3/8" regular ratchets.
Facom 3/8" head diameter ca. 30 mm , koken 36mm
haha lol !!
Don`t forget a SAE set and British Whitworth !
I like how they have a case that even incorporates storage space for rivets.
Tells about the unique looking Gesipa Flipper
ok !
Design Features: While closing, the hand gradually increases its force. This natural property is amplified by a smart lever design for setting blind rivets, thus providing an outstanding ergonomic design. A reduction of 40% of the hand force is obtained by using more strokes. Action lever equipped with an opening spring for optimal single-handed operation. Spring loaded jaw mechanism for positive and automatic spent mandrel release. Spent mandrel container can be slipped onto the tool body and is easy to empty. Long tool stroke: an advantage when setting blind rivets which are too long. Compact design, die-cast aluminium tool body and high grade steel lever contribute to the outstanding durability. The pivot pin is secured against self-rotation to ensure no wear.
short version:
• Unique ratching mechanism reduces setting effort by 40%
• Ergonomic handles feature cushioned rubber grips
• Spent mandrel collector also houses additional nose tips and wrench for easy changeover
www.gesipa.com
Yeah, it definitely seems to be a trend. I have seen them, but I simply don't see the attraction to them, and so I don't own any.
Nope, that's not the one; it's this one:
I also don`t own one I only have these:
(KDS + Olfa)
I really like simple, no frills blade holders like this. No springs or mechanisms to break or get jammed up. It has a good arc on the handle and more importantly, it appears to be rigid--a great candidate for a roofing knife, cutting tough asphalt singles.
On the right, is there a place to store blades?
There is a engineers saying here: "the simplest solution is always the best solution"
yess !
Look:
I finished my assignment last night.
Here's my "No.4 Nodular" Schulz mechanics vise:
thx 4 the pics !! If you type "torno de bancada schulz" into google then a bunch of schulz vises appear. Schulz HP: clickIt seems they are specialized in manufacturing compressors and car parts. They were founded in 1963 in the city of "Joinville". Joinville was founded in 1851 by immigrants from germany, switzerland and norway (wiki) ...( I wondered because of the name "Schulz" which is german). Joinville is in the federal state of Santa Catarina, which explain the inscription on the vise.
In france they make cast vises in a similar style (compared to the german "Schlegel" and (former german) "Leinen" (italy) vises (open to the back)
"Dolex" brand
"Sambre et meuse" brand:
This one also has guides on the sides of the sliding part. like your Schulz. Also the support piece of metal below the sliding part like the others.
Exactly my reason for getting rubber/plastic handled ratchets, too.
mmhhh colorful fantastic plastic (and rubber) world
ps: took some more pics of the newly acquired koken ratchet:
1/2" ratchet on top, 3/8" koken, 3/8" regular ratchets.
Facom 3/8" head diameter ca. 30 mm , koken 36mm
Moose-LandTran
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I take it you went back to the flea market for them?
I take it you went back to the flea market for them?
exactly
Grip-on model "111-12" (300 mm) and "121-10" (235mm)
Grip-on C-clamp "124-06" rebadged as "Garant" sold through a german wholesaler.
Grip-on c-clamp with aluminium jaws "144-14" rebadged as "Napa"
billymade
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Monte; what about your "toolbox/workbench" that you got recently; did you put your tools in it yet? I'm sure it is totally full and now you need ten more boxes, LOL! We need an UPDATE on your tool storage situation! LOL!
@billymade:
in the meantime i hauled the workbench to the garage and also bought this drawer cabinet, this is full now, in the workbench i only store a couple of doubles and installed a vise.
while i rented the trailer i also brought the tig/stick-welder to the garage.
Instead of one locker where i stored also tools and consumables, chemicals, drill bits etc. i now have 2 cabinets:
cabinet 1:
shelf 1: chemicals
shelf 2:
Left: Abrasives, grinding discs, mounted points, flap discs, wire brushes etc.
Right: drill bits, reamers, threading tools etc.
shelf 3: electric tools
shelf 4: personal protective equipment
shelf 5: misc. stuff...paper, pullers, brake + oil equipment, grease gun...
cabinet 2:
shelf 1: Paint supplies: sanding paper, sanding blocks, cleaning discs, masking tape etc.
shelf 2: paint gun, paint chemicals, discs for orbital sander + angle grinder , respiratory mask
shelf 3: Air and electric random orbital and straightline sanders, 16" sanding paper, polishing machine, polishing supplies
shelf 4: welding supplies
shelf 5: misc. (no pic)
....and some welders magnets on the door...
in the meantime i hauled the workbench to the garage and also bought this drawer cabinet, this is full now, in the workbench i only store a couple of doubles and installed a vise.
while i rented the trailer i also brought the tig/stick-welder to the garage.
Instead of one locker where i stored also tools and consumables, chemicals, drill bits etc. i now have 2 cabinets:
cabinet 1:
shelf 1: chemicals
shelf 2:
Left: Abrasives, grinding discs, mounted points, flap discs, wire brushes etc.
Right: drill bits, reamers, threading tools etc.
shelf 3: electric tools
shelf 4: personal protective equipment
shelf 5: misc. stuff...paper, pullers, brake + oil equipment, grease gun...
cabinet 2:
shelf 1: Paint supplies: sanding paper, sanding blocks, cleaning discs, masking tape etc.
shelf 2: paint gun, paint chemicals, discs for orbital sander + angle grinder , respiratory mask
shelf 3: Air and electric random orbital and straightline sanders, 16" sanding paper, polishing machine, polishing supplies
shelf 4: welding supplies
shelf 5: misc. (no pic)
....and some welders magnets on the door...
rebrewer
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In case it hasn't been mentioned, Bahco is a Snap-on Corp. company. The Facom, Matador, and Wiha stuff is all available here in the US. The AC jack shown is a superb product and very popular with the Porsche guys here in California.
superautobacs
Well-known member
wow, to your "workhouse" and tool stock--it's quite impressive.
Thanks for looking up the information on Schulz--very interesting connection between the Brazilizian vise and Europe.
The Napa pliers must've felt lonely enough in N. America to swim its way across the Atlantic, to be closer to its motherland and brothers.
to your "workhouse" and tool stock--it's quite impressive.Thanks for looking up the information on Schulz--very interesting connection between the Brazilizian vise and Europe.
The Napa pliers must've felt lonely enough in N. America to swim its way across the Atlantic, to be closer to its motherland and brothers.
The Matador stuff seems to be not so known in the US .
www.matador-tools.com
They won a prize on the SEMA show for this toolbox:
wow,
5 years no holidays etc....
Thanks for looking up the information on Schulz--very interesting connection between the Brazilizian vise and Europe.
no problem !
The Napa pliers must've felt lonely enough in N. America to swim its way across the Atlantic, to be closer to its motherland and brothers.
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superautobacs
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Ingenious!If ya hafta do with wut ya got, let that 1/4" tackle dat 41mm.
On a more serious note, I bet the socket is just a lil' bit heavy for those magnets.
JayL
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Maybe similar tools had been posted but here goes ... Unior Made in Slovenia
olds88
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Bahco makes the only euro screwdriver handles that I find remotely appealing.
Ever since I been working on cars I been very suspect of anything european...
Hazet wrenches are pretty **** though. Those euro-plastic handle ratchets look like they're cheesedick. Like a VW plastic water pump impeller. Or dipstick tube.
Ever since I been working on cars I been very suspect of anything european...
Hazet wrenches are pretty **** though. Those euro-plastic handle ratchets look like they're cheesedick. Like a VW plastic water pump impeller. Or dipstick tube.
Thanks for posting these pics !!
@olds88:
the Bahco handles are ok but i think there are better ones available.
Even if you don`t like euro cars the tools are good i swear
I also have metal handle ratchets from Snap-On and Tone but i prefer plastic/rubber handles since they offer a better grip (imho). Design is only secondary, functionality is always more important (imho)
I prefer these mini screwdrivers from Wiha. The concave part of the handle offers a good support for the fingers. They are also shorter than the Bahco`s.
JayL
Well-known member
Is this tool ok on this thread?
Japanese made Masada 2 Ton Service Jack.
Japanese made Masada 2 Ton Service Jack.
@jayL:
yes its ok, i already posted my jack too machine tools, electric + air tools, shop equipment etc. is cool too.
How many pesos do you pay for such a jack ? Which brands do professionals use on the philippines ? Tools from the USA and Japan i guess ??
ps: www.masadajack.com/
yes its ok, i already posted my jack too
machine tools, electric + air tools, shop equipment etc. is cool too.How many pesos do you pay for such a jack ? Which brands do professionals use on the philippines ? Tools from the USA and Japan i guess ??
ps: www.masadajack.com/
superautobacs
Well-known member
Monte, I'm presuming that screwdriver is made by one of your Eastern neighbours?
Do you know if Wera closed down some of their own plants in Germany...or?
A random picture of some random European wrenches:
Do you know if Wera closed down some of their own plants in Germany...or?
A random picture of some random European wrenches:
JayL
Well-known member
@jayL:
yes its ok, i already posted my jack too
How many pesos do you pay for such a jack ? Which brands do professionals use on the philippines ? Tools from the USA and Japan i guess ??
ps: www.masadajack.com/
We have most of the tools posted here in this Forum but Japanese ones are more popular. However I find it cheaper to buy in the US market.
IIRC I paid around 236 US Dollars for the 2 ton Masada Jack.
The happy Wera family:
(not complete)
@superautobacs: afaik all the drivers are from the czech republic. I guess the machinery was transferred to there. They are not really helpfull answering questions about that because they`re getting pissed off about questions of the origin.
The machines (for producing gear wheels etc.) Wera produces are made here in Wuppertal
http://www.wera-profilator.de/
ps: Nice old wrenches ! Never saw an open end wrench with hole !? (Only saltus wrenches). The Gedore wrench seems to be very old. From which country is the "Crom favorite" wrench ? The box wrenches look german ?
(not complete)
@superautobacs: afaik all the drivers are from the czech republic. I guess the machinery was transferred to there. They are not really helpfull answering questions about that because they`re getting pissed off about questions of the origin.
The machines (for producing gear wheels etc.) Wera produces are made here in Wuppertal
http://www.wera-profilator.de/
ps: Nice old wrenches ! Never saw an open end wrench with hole !? (Only saltus wrenches). The Gedore wrench seems to be very old. From which country is the "Crom favorite" wrench ? The box wrenches look german ?