Tools from the old world

[superautobacs]

I guess as long as the same equipment and machinery are used, it shouldn't affect the end product. Or should we be so naive to think that way?

The holes in the Saltus and other wrenches are usually located on the ends of the beams so that you can place a tommy bar and operate the tool in a T or L-form configuration. This Bahco was probably part of an auto-kit(?), and the hole was a way to keep the entire set of spanners together via a threaded bolt and some sort of wing-nut. That's my guess.

The Crom Favorite is probably German, but not certain on that. The box wrenches have no COO either, but they definitely display the crudest form of forging I've ever seen. I really was like when I saw them.



Nice, a set of Wera's signature handle design, laid out in chronological order.

I remember seeing an old, yellow-handled Wera, but I never bought it (I've regretted that decision). It's the simple injection molded handle like your orange one, but I don't recall seeing the hex bolster.

Is the Comfort model squishy and grippy like the Wiha SoftFinish's are, or are they more comparable to Swissgrips?

 

[Monte]

I don`t know, Wera or Wiha one of the both is market leader and the other second in the german (european ?) screwdriver market. So they must do something right. If you buy the same steel and use the same machines then probably you`ll get the same product no matter where you produce, only the personnel is different, who can be trained.

Makes sense with the auto-kit and the hole - so you can screw the tools together and attach them somewhere in the trunk or screw them onto the decklid or so...
ps: These crowfoot wrenches have holes too:

In germany "chrome" is "chrom" so thats why i wondered because i couldn`t find who uses "crom" ? In Italy it`s "cromo" in spain "cromo" too or "cromico", in france "chromé"...
edit: maybe from spain, italy,romania, vietnam ...? http://chromium.askdefine.com/

Sometimes i find older german wrenches where you still see forging residues/burrs from the forging, namely Dowidat and Rahsol and also wrenches from the former GDR. My worst wrench is from russia... But your box wrenches are even off (the 12 point) and not centered....

cool i never saw a yellow handle Wera... Only these in translucent orange... 2 shops here still have them NOS as a ball hex driver. The one pictured with the hex bolster is from a nut driver . This one with (hand-ground ?) drop forged blade:

A drawer with Wera drivers (and others) which came with a workbench i bought used (but again sold)

Older Wera screwdriver:

Old Wera and "Zebra" branded screwdriver (from "Wurth")

Is the Comfort model squishy and grippy like the Wiha SoftFinish's are, or are they more comparable to Swissgrips?

honestly i can`t feel any differences between the 3

 

[Moose-LandTran]

Makes sense with the auto-kit and the hole - so you can screw the tools together and attach them somewhere in the trunk or screw them onto the decklid or so...
ps: These crowfoot wrenches have holes too:

I so could've used that today, working on the injector pump on an old VW T3. Needed something to hold the coupling on top the delivery valve while removing a fuel line. (yaaaaaay... replacing diesel injectors)

A drawer with Wera drivers (and others) which came with a workbench i bought used (but again sold)

Do you have a local/online supplier for PB Swiss? Or got any for sale?

 

[Monte]

If you have to work again on a injector pump the wrenches are available from Gedore

PB is only available here through a single wholesaler www.hoffmann-group.com

The PB site lists 2 dealers for England:

Hoffmann UK Quality Tools Limited
Devonshire House
1 Devonshire Street
W1W 5DR London
Telefon +44 08 704 17 6111
Fax +44 08 704 17 6113
http://www.hoffmann-group.com

and:

Warwick Industrial Supplies
Wharf Street
Warwick CV34 5LB
Telefon +44 (0) 1926 403 483
Fax +44 (0) 1926 403 777
[email protected]

There is also this online shop which should ship to the UK: Distrelec If you type in "PB" in the left "manufacturer" field it show 603 PB tools...

There are a couple of PB tools on sale until january from Hoffmann PDF with prices click
(Pages 64, 65, 68, 69, 75 and 76)

If nothing work out for you i could get you what is available from Hoffmann (Classic and swiss grip handle screwdrivers, hex keys, bits, punches,hammers - but they don`t offer the complete line up of PB tools)

 

[Moose-LandTran]

I made an account with Hoffmann but they never sent me the stuff they were meant to, so as of yet i still don't have an account.

I'll call up the UK office, i know exactly where it is, near my dentist.

I might just buy some crowfoot wrenches, or see if the customer wants to replace the (damaged) fuel lines.


Thank You for the help Monte, much appreciated.

 

[superautobacs]

...If you buy the same steel and use the same machines then probably you`ll get the same product no matter where you produce, only the personnel is different, who can be trained.

Yup, that's definitely a crucial factor.


In germany "chrome" is "chrom" so thats why i wondered because i couldn`t find who uses "crom" ? In Italy it`s "cromo" in spain "cromo" too or "cromico", in france "chromé"...
edit: maybe from spain, italy,romania, vietnam ...? http://chromium.askdefine.com/

Whereever it was made, I guess they didn't feel proud enough to stamp the COO. I actually like the odd shape of the open ends...you don't find curves like that on modern wrenches.

....But your box wrenches are even off (the 12 point) and not centered....

My comment earlier about the crudeness also extends to the off-centered punch out. It was such an oddity (ugly?) that I had to bring it home.

cool i never saw a yellow handle Wera... Only these in translucent orange... 2 shops here still have them NOS as a ball hex driver. The one pictured with the hex bolster is from a nut driver . This one with (hand-ground ?) drop forged blade:

thanks for all the photos!
Come to think of it, I might have mistakened the yellow handle Wera with a vintage yellow handled Will screwdriver (Canada) that I have. The one I saw could've been orange....if only I can find that thing again from that pawn shop.

Have you seen these yet? It's actually made in China. I couldn't believe my eyes.

 

[Monte]

I made an account with Hoffmann but they never sent me the stuff they were meant to, so as of yet i still don't have an account.

I'll call up the UK office, i know exactly where it is, near my dentist.

I might just buy some crowfoot wrenches, or see if the customer wants to replace the (damaged) fuel lines.


Thank You for the help Monte, much appreciated.

They probably have a walk in store, so if you should ever visit your dentist again i would stop there too...

They currently also have the Mitutoyo promotion:

the best is if you sell a new engine to the customer

 

[Moose-LandTran]

That would be beneficial. It sat in one spot in our shop for 10 mins and already left a little oil patch for us to clean up. Maybe rear crank seal..

He had a pinhole in a fuel line and had one made (from brake piping) and the engine only fires on 3 cylinders now, i think they lost the delivery valve from the injector pump, i found the spring sitting on the engine block..

 

[Monte]

"Will" from canada ? Do you have a pic?

btw. "Will"

old "Will" combination pliers

Those chinese screwdrivers look nice . Almost Wera shape.. hex blade , hex bolster, go through blade, old school translucent handle... but a bit expensive i think ... I think i can see some tiny plasic ******* where the Wera screwdriver would have the yellow or green color (on their 300 series and chiseldriver), so they added a asian touch

btw old school translucent handle

Facom "Isoryl" screwdriver:

 

[superautobacs]

Will:

As you can see, the stubby's have a very unique handle design. It has very deep indents on four sides--a perfect place to position your middle finger into and gain good control and torque.


And good point about those Chinese screwdrivers having that Asian touch.....errr...****** touch.

 

[Monte]

Nice ! Did you ever break a handle ?

Here are some screwdrivers from my father which looks close to yours, also with the 4 deep "flutes"

"Suki" brand short one and 2 noname :

Do you know a website for Will ? Couldn`t find one. Which canadian manufacturers are still around ? I only know Gray, Richards, and this one , their ratcheting tubing cutters are available here.

 

[Monte]

Grip-On "222-12" table clamp:

 

[Monte]

"Belzer" nutdriver

 

[superautobacs]

Monte,

Your father's Suki stubby does have similarities. I thought the design was unique to Will, but that doesn't seem to be the case.

Yeah, I have several vintage wrenches, a magnetic pick-up tool, and a drift punch from Gray. From Richards, a retractable knife in a brass body, a scraper, and a pry bar.

I've never heard of H.T. Mould before--I like their Sand-boss.

There's also Megapro (they make an awesome ratcheting screwdriver) and EcoDieselCanada for their rugged Impact Poly line of deadblow hammers.


That Grip-On "222-12" table clamp is pretty cool. I'd like to get one like that or one of these:

The Belzer nut driver:
Why does the diameter enlargen about an inch from the hex opening and what's with the finish on the shaft?

 

[Monte]

I think the sand-boss made it over here too:

yeah I forgot about the dead blows, there is even a thread about them….


I like those Kregs , nice idea with the crank handle for quick adjustment.
But i got the grip-on from the grip-on dude for 10 bucks, so unpredictable i have them now. Before i also was looking for these from Bessey:

The shaft of the Belzer nutdriver is hollow, so i guess they took a pipe and then attached (soldered/welded ?) the socket onto the shaft therefore the socket has a larger OD and ID so you can insert the shaft into the socket (???). I don`t now, the only reason i could think of making them like they are. There is also a small "step" visible inside the socket, so i guess its soldered so the pipe and the socket must overlap otherwise it wouldn`t hold up. The blue paint is either powdercoated or painted (but not dipped). The inside of the socket shows metal its not completely covered so i guess its paint which was sprayed on and not powdercoated because i guess the powdercoat would have covered the complete inside of the socket .
But the driver was made like this from the factory. (but i don`t know why )

 

[Vinko]

 

[Diablo]

The things i would do for a set of those format Wera's

 

[Monte]

The things i would do for a set of those format Wera's

What would you do ??

 

[Moose-LandTran]

The things i would do for a set of those format Wera's

What would you do ??

Oh, we can have fun with this.

 

[Monte]

Some "Grip-On" axial locking pliers...

Grip-On "928-07" "W-type"

Grip-On "925-07" "JJ-Type" rebadged as "Premier" (Sealey/UK)

Grip-On "922-07" "J-Type"

Grip-On "912-07" "L-Type" rebadged as "USAG" (Italy)

Grip-On "915-07" "LL-Type" rebadged as Blue Point

Grip-On "918-07" "T-Type" again Bluepoint version

I noticed the Blue Points are no longer on the Snap-On site !?

 

[Monte]

Oh, we can have fun with this.

Revolving punch pliers

 

[RedBox]

Whoever is in charge here needs to make this thread a sticky. What a wealth of information!

RB

 

[superautobacs]

The only use for that punch tool that I can think of is for when working on leather and other tough fibers/skins. What other uses are there?

Monte, is there a German hand tool company with the name Atlas? I saw a pair of NOS (West Germany) end-cutting nippers at the local flea, but wasn't sure if I've ever heard of that name. It had a GS mark on the red, rubberized handle (the texturized kind like your VBW pliers). It wasn't of excellent quality, but for $7 I might pick it up

 

[Monte]

Yes for leather belts for example so you can punch new holes in it for a expanded adjustment. You also can punch holes to install eyelets. Or punch holes in paper, plastic, rubber, cardboard, metal foil, textiles for arts and crafts (to install rivets or knobs into jeans etc.).... For 5.- Euro-bucks i figured out its not too expensive to have one even if i don`t need one right now

Larger ones are for example used to make holes in animals ears to attach a tag to them. So if you own cows or pigs....

They make a wide selection of punch tools: http://www.selzer-online.de (also drop forged ones)

Couldn`t find any info about "Atlas" the only thing i found is this: click
But its from the US i think. Maybe its a rebadged tool , maybe for the US or canadian market like the Knipex craftsmans etc. ?

 

[zed]

Or maybe Altas, a turkish company from the gedore group:

http://www.gedore-altas.com.tr/english/gedore.html

 

[Monte]

Knipex end cutting nippers

i think i throw all my polished pliers away and invest in chrome plated ones

 

[The Muffin Man]

Monte, do those chrome plated pliers tend to flake off much, particularly near to cutting edge? I just bought of set of chromed pliers from another brand but haven't had a chance to use them yet.

 

[Vinko]

 

[DS-21]

old "Will" combination pliers

Speaking of pliers, many years ago I bought 10 of these no-name "drop-forged germany" for next to nothing. To my surprice they have not been all that bad...made by "Will"??

ps. Nice photos superautobacs

 

[Monte]

Monte, do those chrome plated pliers tend to flake off much, particularly near to cutting edge? I just bought of set of chromed pliers from another brand but haven't had a chance to use them yet.

The plier pictured is still ok since i used it only once or twice . The chrome Knipex pliers we have in the garage are also still ok - no chrome flakes etc.
My father owns a couple of imported chrome plated pliers, the combination plier already show defects in the surface but the cutting edges are ok:

There are 2 small holes in the cutting edges of the diagonal pliers, but the chrome is ok:

misc. pliers from the garage - no flaking:

The other chrome plated pliers are still looking good too - no chrome flakes etc. (probably because they are unused lol)

Then i took a look at the pliers in the company. But the "Wurth Zebra" rebadged Knipex pliers there also showed no sign of wear of the plating:

nice PB set ! I like those stands, perfect for the workbench. Usually you only see something like this for the hex wrenches

Speaking of pliers, many years ago I bought 10 of these no-name "drop-forged germany" for next to nothing. To my surprice they have not been all that bad...made by "Will"??

ps. Nice photos superautobacs

Could be possible but hard to say without brandname. Do you have combination pliers or sidecutters from them ? Since there are and were a bunch of plier manufacturers/brands next to Knipex, Orbis and Will like VBW, R. Jung, Granit, Gedore, Tracht-Odenthal, Schauch, Arhoso etc.....

A couple of older pliers:

From top to bottom: Granit, Will, Heyco

Surprisingly the Granit pliers are still offered nowadays in about the same manner

www.weber-werkzeug.de/

 

[Monte]

The new Facom Li-Ion drill and impact wrench:

 

[ZRX61]

The only use for that punch tool that I can think of is for when working on leather and other tough fibers/skins. What other uses are there?

Bolt holes etc in home made gaskets

 

[Monte]

Fein Multimaster from my father:

 

[Vinko]

I'd really like to get the Fein detail sander one of these days.

 

[The Muffin Man]

Thanks Monte! Its interesting to see that the chrome is still intact on the Diagonal pliers despite the deformed edges.

Hopefully these will hold up as well

 

[Monte]

Looking good ! I like the forgings. The 3 piece set from ultimate garage ??? Where are the needle nose pliers ?
Do you have a pic of the handles and the red square which is in the handle ? Never saw the black handle ones, only the newer red/black ones.

they took a long bath in water i guess

Knipex vs. Facom

 

[The Muffin Man]

Looking good ! I like the forgings. The 3 piece set from ultimate garage ??? Where are the needle nose pliers ?
Do you have a pic of the handles and the red square which is in the handle ? Never saw the black handle ones, only the newer red/black ones.

Yes, I did order the set from UltimateGarage, the site has a pretty large selection of the "older" black handled pliers too.

Here is the needle nose pliers that was missing in the first photo ...

The red handled needle nose pliers I have don't have the engraved "channel"

The handles feel like the same material used on Facom's ratchets.

Although they feel more comfortable and durable that the traditional vinyl handles, they feel inferior to the newer red handled pliers...

 

[Monte]

Thank you very much for the pictures and explanation !!

 

[superautobacs]

The handles feel like the same material used on Facom's ratchets.

Mmmm, dimples.
In this thread, we've discussed about nippled screwdriver handles and dimpled screwdriver handles.



Here's my share for the dimple brand....

Monte, remember how I was interested in the black handle Bost screwdrivers?

I somehow ended up coming back home from Home Depot with a set of 8 Bost screwdrivers rebranded as a FatMax. ....and who wouldn't, at the price of just $10CAN! Yes, it's made in France.

 

[Monte]

@superautobacs:
But dimples are better than ******* in case of tool handles

what 10 bucks !?!?? That`s a very good price.... for a 8pc. (slotted/PH) set they want $78 CAN here.... you **** !
(square/robertson is almost inexistent here)





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