Tools from the old world

[pozidriv]

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I can't even begin to explain how offended I am by Monte's post;

 

[mercucho]

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I can't even begin to explain how offended I am by Monte's post;

It's the most absurd ban I've ever seen.

 

[M6erfan]

Recent garage sale score...





No manufacturer markings on the long (195mm length) 7mm hex key. Anyone have any guesses?

 

[decaf]

Ok. who couldn´t stand a joke on their new president?

OMG this is soo low that i can´t belive it.

Ban someone for that??

EXPLAIN FOR EVERYONE HERE WHAT YOU WERE THINKING???

I can´t be a part of such ****, im out of here.... I have higher standards then this, and so have the old world.

This is my last post here, good speed America, you´ll need it.....

 

[Monte]

Monte is back from the dead
It seems i have some fans here since the ban ended already ! Thanks guys !! I promise i won´t post any political comments anymore ....maybe...

now back to tools from the old world.....:

@Monte
Near to my house i found only kappa(i use it at work and are very stiff) and diadora (which don't like it)and some unknown brand witch are not great quality.I see Hiax and seem to be very high quality but on my next order i'll take atlas or elten.I like it Baseprotection to.Thank for brands link.

Do you can send the shoes back if they shouldn´t fit ?

Doing some Layouts for my toolbed order:

some pics when it´s finished please

No coo

The majority of WGB tools is imported nowadays

Monte is banned? GJ has been going downhill for quite awhile, but this is a new level of stupidity. I won't be returning to this forum again.

pls come back ! We´re old enough !

No manufacturer markings on the long 7mm hex key. Anyone have any guesses?

Most (? or many...) german made hex tools come from HaFu.

This is my last post here

come on.... i´m back too...



btw.: Hitachi (Hitachi/Metabo) sells it´s power tools business to an american investor.... click






Wolf Garten tree pruner

 

[M6erfan]

welcome back buddy!

 

[Superbec]

maybe the ban was for all this gardening tools?


just a thought

welcome back !

 

[M6erfan]

Most (? or many...) german made hex tools come from HaFu.

Thanks Monte! Interesting, never heard of that brand before. Looks/feels like a pretty high quality piece...

 

[losvre]

Monte is back from the dead
It seems i have some fans here since the ban ended already ! Thanks guys !! I promise i won´t post any political comments anymore ....maybe...

now back to tools from the old world.....:

btw.: Hitachi (Hitachi/Metabo) sells it´s power tools business to an american investor.... click

Hey Monte, wo bist du? Wilkommen

How Metabo is linked to to Hitachi? All Hitachi I have seen in the shops are made in China except I think the very large angle grinder?

What is the best of metabo that we should buy before they move everyhting abroad?

PS: you may PM the political jokes to your friends

 

[gdocktor3]

I'm assuming Monte was made an example of for others. Even a beloved, senior member with 11,000 posts means nothing if you don't follow the rules. So mind your manners everybody...

 

[barnonline]

The admins should be careful they dont kill the goose that lays the gold eggs.
This thread is not a success due to the admins dilligence, but by the knowlegde and many hours of work by monte and others.

Such draconic measures is not a way to run a community. A friendly warning should do it is this case.
Everyone makes mistakes, including the admins.

If Monte didnt care back to this forum, nor would I.

 

[jessysirazvan]

Welcome back Monte


Do you can send the shoes back if they shouldn´t fit ?
TheOriginally Posted by jessysirazvan View Post
@Monte
Near to my house i found only kappa(i use it at work and are very stiff) and diadora (which don't like it)and some unknown brand witch are not great quality.I see Hiax and seem to be very high quality but on my next order i'll take atlas or elten.I like it Baseprotection to.Thank for brands link.
Do you can send the shoes back if they shouldn´t fit ?



(i'l take pictures when they arrive)

On my wish list Haix xr3 maybe next month.

Photo from web

 

[craiglett]

The admins should be careful they dont kill the goose that lays the gold eggs.
This thread is not a success due to the admins dilligence, but by the knowlegde and many hours of work by monte and others.

Such draconic measures is not a way to run a community. A friendly warning should do it is this case.
Everyone makes mistakes, including the admins.

If Monte didnt care back to this forum, nor would I.

This ^^^^

 

[HCNDM]

Hey Monte! Welcome back!


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[losvre]

Monte, I forgot to say that you have built a backlog of requests while you were off duties

 

[mercucho]

Justice has finally been done.
Welcome back Monte.

 

[Superbec]

I'm assuming Monte was made an example of for others. Even a beloved, senior member with 11,000 posts means nothing if you don't follow the rules. So mind your manners everybody...

like ... OBEY the Secret Society of Toupee Wearers or you'll be punished?

 

[HCNDM]

I'm assuming Monte was made an example of for others. Even a beloved, senior member with 11,000 posts means nothing if you don't follow the rules. So mind your manners everybody...

I agree that a rule is a rule. I don't agree with setting an example. Especially with the amount that was let through end of last year. I don't believe in selective punishment, and feel that was partially the case here.



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[tonyciambrone]

I'm sure anti-Trump rhetoric is treated with the same zero-tolerance policy, right?

 

[M6erfan]

I'm sure anti-Trump rhetoric is treated with the same zero-tolerance policy, right?

LOL

 

[Monte]

Thanks again for your support guys !

maybe the ban was for all this gardening tools? just a thought
welcome back !

Thanks Monte! Interesting, never heard of that brand before. Looks/feels like a pretty high quality piece...

should get the job done

Hey Monte, wo bist du? Wilkommen
How Metabo is linked to to Hitachi? All Hitachi I have seen in the shops are made in China except I think the very large angle grinder?

What is the best of metabo that we should buy before they move everyhting abroad?

Ich bin wieder hier in meinem Revier
Hitachi bought Metabo a while ago. Some Hitachi tools are made in Ireland, Japan and Malaysia. Certain impact drills and angle grinders for example are from Ireland (maybe old stock...?). If you want to buy something from Metabo i would take a look at their new angle grinders. Their impact drills and rotary hammers have a good reputation too. We speak of their german made tools of course Their "LTX" labeled cordless tools should be fine too

Yes
I already made the order yesterday on amazon.co.uk for safety shoes model Elten karlson loop s3
(Dispatched on 16 January 2017
Items Ordered Price
1 of: Elten 65061-43 Size 43 S3 HI "Karlson Loop" Safety Shoe - Multi-Colour
Sold by: Amazon EU S.a.r.L.
Condition: New
£44.07
This friday must arrived(i'l take pictures when they arrive)
On my wish list Haix xr3 maybe next month.

The shoes look good ! I hope they will fit good too







Alsa knee pad

 

[BK13]

Welcome back, Monte. I'm a little embarrassed to say I didn't know you got time-out...

 

[jessysirazvan]

The shoes look good ! I hope they will fit good too



Thank .



Alsa knee pad

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I need a pair of this,very useful,i put them on my wish list.

 

[Qualitytools]

Welcome Back Monte!

 

[jessysirazvan]

Stahlwille 415qr 22 teeth

 

[aag14V]

Have you any information about this socket set ? Surprised by the quality, it looks like **** too but its very good.

FAUST GERMANY 1/2

 

[Monte]

Have you any information about this socket set ? Surprised by the quality, it looks like **** too but its very good.
FAUST GERMANY 1/2

"Faust" is a trade mark of the former german DIY stores "Praktiker" (RIP)










Dräger paint mask

 

[jessysirazvan]

Tegera 881

 

[jessysirazvan]

Witte maxxpro bitholder

Wiha ph0 - ph00 - slotted 2

 

[Monte]

another Collomix mixing paddle

 

[losvre]

Hey guys, what do you think about facom sockets? Where are they made and how they hold against the USA and German made?

Thanks

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[HCNDM]

Hey guys, what do you think about facom sockets? Where are they made and how they hold against the USA and German made?

Thanks

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I believe they are Taiwan. That said they are pretty decent sockets. Probably par with my stahlwille sockets. Slightly poorer broaching than Gedore. Better than bahco.

Slightly less than snap on. I only have three snap on sockets and they were all secondhand so not sure if that is a fair comparison. I would say my snap on sockets are par with gedore for broaching but I do like the shiney chrome finish.

I have never broken a brand socket. I simply don't do enough tough work and upscale to a larger tool well in advance. So I can't judge breakage strength. All the above brands have survived what I put them through.

I would say the chrome on the facom is about the same as snap-on. Though I can't tell if it will hold as well. My facom sockets are a lot younger.

So all in all I would say not a bad buy.

Interestingly, I bought some Tekton sockets off of amazon.de last few years and I would put them in the same chrome levels as facom / my ten y/o snappies. With slightly less quality broaching. They are a lot cheaper though.

Our local garage (multi brand shop) but good techs is fully facom stocked. They seem to be happy with them.


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[dutchgray]

Facom sockets are fine, you do find plenty of mechanics here in the UK that rate use them.

 

[HCNDM]

Only thing I forgot to mention about facom sockets is a lack of defined knurling.

It's personal I suppose but I do like knurling.

Must get some koken at some point.


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[losvre]

Only thing I forgot to mention about facom sockets is a lack of defined knurling.

It's personal I suppose but I do like knurling.

Must get some koken at some point.


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Hi HCNMD,

Koken has no knurling either! Hazet and Gedore are best on knurling from what I have seen.

What exactly do you mean when referring to "broaching"?

Ans since yuo referred to Gedore how they compare lets say to Stahlwille, Hazet, Snapon.

I am thinking to buy some more sockets but not sure what

Thanks!

 

[losvre]

Facom sockets are fine, you do find plenty of mechanics here in the UK that rate use them.

Thanks dutchgray, you are right it is quite easy to get Facom in UK at very good prices if you wait for the offers.

I have got a few 1/4 sockets but they are with my father and have not used them.

Their ratchets actually are amazing smooth, I have the 3/8 QR, however the 1/4 is with no quick release, and I wish they would.

 

[T45]

Hey guys, what do you think about facom sockets? Where are they made and how they hold against the USA and German made?

Facom 3/8 are Taiwan if current production, but they are as good as anything short of the very, very best. They have good design (undercut bases), they fit well on the square drive and the fastener, and they are stiif with proper hardness (so they have decent feel).

Facom is by far the best value of the true top-tier tool companies. It ***** that they are no longer FRA but they do show that there is multiple tiers of quality coming out of taiwan (and the good stuff is quite good, mind you).

As far as other brands, Hazet has the best knurling of any sockets. This matters the most in 1/4, but there is no question Hazet sockets are amongst the best at any price. Snap on is also probably slighty better than Facom by a small margin, and the service of snap on is really another variable that may or may not add extra value.

I would say unless you are looking for absolute performance--and yes you can buy a extra couple of ticks if you ar OK to pay the absolute highest prices to get that extra benefit -- facom is a worth choice for a shortlist of chrome sockets (especially in 3/8 drive).

Keep in mind that Hazet and Snap on at street prices are not cheap (new or used) and usually the most expensive in their respective markets. And thats really what you have to step up to in order to get any noticeble quality improvement.

Other than that, the rest of the factors are really about personal preferences and budget. Other competitors in the general price/quaity vacinity seem to be Proto (USA) and Koken (JP). As well as Stahlwille (GER) as you are probably aware. You might also score some vintage Facom or Belzer/Bahco (coo Germany), which are both shiny chrome but very high class tools. Modern Bahco is Taiwan and almost certainly a notch below Facom quality.

If you are on some kind of budget, I would not hesitate to go Facom. Especially in 3/8 regulars. You can still splurge on snap on or Hazet in other variations or drive sizes if you like and where the perfomance upgrades will stand out more.

 

[M6erfan]

Yeah, Hazet socket knurling =


(^^^I wish more tool manufacturers would add real knurling to their sockets...)

I've had Facom sockets for over a decade and IMO, they are up there with the best. My older sets are COO FRA, some of the newer stuff is Taiwan. Between them, I cant tell any difference in quality or performance. Facom sockets are top notch.

For sockets, it's my view that between Snap On, Hazet, Ko-Ken, Facom, there is very little difference (if any) in real world performance. All are built to a very high standard. It's really going to come down to ergonomics (knurling, satin, chrome, etc.) and price/warranty/support.

You cant go wrong with any of them...

 

[dutchgray]

And those factors, ergonomics and price and warranty / service are going to be different for everyone and everyplace. The simple fact is that all top tier tools are all about as good as each other with individual brands being the best at something or other but never an entire range. Also you will pay a lot extra for the relatively little extra quality compared to the 2nd tier, which nowadays is mostly the good and often ridiculously cheap good Taiwan made house brands, smaller rebranding tool CO's. Tools at that price level have never been so good or easily available.
The top tier only exists because there are enough of us out there that want the prestige of having the best. You don't really need it (in most cases).

 

[Nigelhirst]

And those factors, ergonomics and price and warranty / service are going to be different for everyone and everyplace. The simple fact is that all top tier tools are all about as good as each other with individual brands being the best at something or other but never an entire range. Also you will pay a lot extra for the relatively little extra quality compared to the 2nd tier, which nowadays is mostly the good and often ridiculously cheap good Taiwan made house brands, smaller rebranding tool CO's. Tools at that price level have never been so good or easily available.
The top tier only exists because there are enough of us out there that want the prestige of having the best. You don't really need it (in most cases).

Well said, sir!