Tools from the old world

[Monte]

Felco pruning shears Swiss made. Got these for my elderly mum because they are nice and light. There is also a more expensive carbon fibre handled model for garden tool obsessives like Monte...

Good son !
I bought the same one a while ago. Carbon Fibre ? Too modern On a sports car maybe but not on a tool
Aluminium and steel for me

but they are fully rebuildable.

The main reason i bought it...

 

[Cynical huckster]

I remember those days when you guys posted knives pics in this thread. Today I visited the knives exhibition with my wife; so I made a couple of pics, to be sure



I don't know what is it, but my wife definitely likes it

 

[Pantsfall_McFixit]

The mini circlip pliers stand out as being particularly nice.

Who is the OEM on that #4 Phillips screwdriver? There seem to be many rebrands of that handle shape, who makes the original? I don't see that type in Facom's current catalog.

 

[Reed Prince]

$50 for the combo pack at Amazon.com. Maybe worth it?

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[dkroth]

Who is the OEM on that #4 Phillips screwdriver? There seem to be many rebrands of that handle shape, who makes the original? I don't see that type in Facom's current catalog.

Bost




.

 

[superautobacs]

Probably more about branding and trying to differentiate their product from the crowd rather than function.

I'm actually wanting to get one because I think in the event of a mis-aimed/over strike, the handle will absord/deflect the blow completely, if not, at least slow down the hammer before it lands on your thumb or fingers. If I can possibly prevent myself from getting another annoying injury, I'm willing to try it.

Those Snap-on ones are made in Spain .... i forget by who. It's definitely a European thing that's slowly trickling its way to North America.

I have a large hand guard offered by Gedore that slips over large flat chisels and that thing has saved my hands a few times over the course of thousands of hammer swings.

This photo is from when it was new back in 2009:

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Who is the OEM on that #4 Phillips screwdriver? There seem to be many rebrands of that handle shape, who makes the original? I don't see that type in Facom's current catalog.

dkroth nailed it. It's Bost Garnache.

That handle style apparently started in 2002. I have a Bost, KTC, and Stanley version of them.

I wish I could read French: http://laissey.com/Ses%20entreprises/Bost/Bost.htm

 

[Cynical huckster]

I wish I could read French: http://laissey.com/Ses%20entreprises/Bost/Bost.htm

In brief: Bost production sites will be transferred from Laissey to Besançon. The transfer will begin this May. Moreover, Bost no longer produces tools under its own brand since 2016.

 

[dutchgray]

I think the Chisel guards are a European health and safety thing, I first saw them here in the UK in the early 90's, they definitely work but do get in the way sometimes, I generally don't use them, and not on small punches, though I have a set of pin punches with rubber ones on, not sure I would buy more the same.

 

[maico]

Fake Heuer Front type possibly Chinese. Photos from Thailand I came across. Heuer don't make a 150mm vice, it's 140 or 160.
The bolts and base are different as are some other minor detail differences. At first I thought it was a rebranded Heuer like the red Wurth ones are.
From what I can work out it later broke where the front jaw is welded to the main rail.
It was re-welded even worse and repainted light blue !

 

[superautobacs]

In brief: Bost production sites will be transferred from Laissey to Besançon. The transfer will begin this May. Moreover, Bost no longer produces tools under its own brand since 2016.

Thank you! So, I think it's safe to assume that the French home centers and hardware stores that used to sell Bost tools have been restocked with Stanley versions?

I think the Chisel guards are a European health and safety thing, I first saw them here in the UK in the early 90's, they definitely work but do get in the way sometimes, I generally don't use them, and not on small punches, though I have a set of pin punches with rubber ones on, not sure I would buy more the same.

I agree that I don't see the need on smaller punches. In my case, I'm looking for built-in guards on 10/12mm sized parallel pin punches that get pounded by a 1kg machinist type hammer. Getting hit by that kind of hammer *****.

Any recommendations for single peices, preferably in a long length? Gedore, Rennsteig, Wiha, others?

 

[RX-KING]

i bought witte wittron electronic srewdriver and 1/4 facom ratchet wrench set. But sadly it's missing ratchet handle.. long story short i put snap-on 1/4 drive ratchet, at least it's complete set. sorry for my crapy smartphone photo

 

[Cynical huckster]

Thank you! So, I think it's safe to assume that the French home centers and hardware stores that used to sell Bost tools have been restocked with Stanley versions?

Well, some French resellers still have Bost tools in stock. And you can find a lot of interesting products at attractive prices: here or here, for example.

Now I also understand why Bost export department ignored my inquiry. I sent them a request for cooperation in the summer of 2017

 

[maico]

My last shopping


HAZET

Hazet blue

 

[scarrylarry]

Monte and others

Any experience with Stihl battery powered line trimmers ? What models have the most power ? My BIL is looking for a battery powered line trimmer
Thanks
scarrylarry

 

[Alaniho]

Who is the OEM on that #4 Phillips screwdriver? There seem to be many rebrands of that handle shape, who makes the original? I don't see that type in Facom's current catalog.

Sorry a little off topic but this 'Expert' rebranding of Britool really bugs me. Britool was a respected quality brand but SBD seemed determined to evaporate the brand. I even heard someone call it 'Expert by Facom' making a sub brand of Facom. I guess they are trying to make it like Vigor is to Hazet. Ok, rant over

 

[mr.lemons]

Sorry a little off topic but this 'Expert' rebranding of Britool really bugs me. Britool was a respected quality brand but SBD seemed determined to evaporate the brand. I even heard someone call it 'Expert by Facom' making a sub brand of Facom. I guess they are trying to make it like Vigor is to Hazet. Ok, rant over

Agreed. See Expert advertised as Facom a lot on ebay. I use the Stanley branded version of the screwdrivers at work and they do hold up to daily use ok. Have no use for a PH4 though

 

[maico]

Are Bosch pro-grade impact drills still made in Russia ? This recent one is

I thought the West had trade sanctions in force against Russia...

 

[Cynical huckster]

Are Bosch pro-grade impact drills still made in Russia ? This recent one is

I thought the West had trade sanctions in force against Russia...

Here is some info from Bosch official website:

There are seven Bosch plants in Russia: household appliances are produced in the Leningrad Region, plants for power tools, auto parts, heating equipment, radiators are located in the Engels, Saratov Region, and an automotive technology plant is operating in the Samara Region. The Bosch Group’s sales in Russia in the fiscal year 2016 amounted to 1,050 million euros. Bosch employs 3,740 associates in the country (as of December 31, 2016).

 

[Alaniho]

been a while waiting on this baby to be released, its in now

Rupes Skorpio E, Random orbit sander, brushless

Still made in Italy and hopefully more reliable than the Mirka Deros and its clones.

 

[maico]

Incoming:

Monument mini pipe cutter 3-26mm made in England

Stanley hacksaw blade for knife made in England

Pferd 280 grit grinding/polishing wheel made in the EU

 

[maico]

It's probably worth pointing out that 92% of Bosch is owned by Robert Bosch Stiftung GmbH, a charitable institution. The profits go to the family but most to the foundation.

http://www.bosch-stiftung.de/en/bosch-constitution

Smaller players like Milwaukee are owned by TTI an investment holding company based in Hong Kong with a large plant in China.

 

[mr.lemons]

More PB Swiss arrived today.

 

[Lofthouse]

RND Lab Wire Stripper & Flat nose plier

 

[Monte]

I don't know what is it, but my wife definitely likes it

But she don´t need it. Her fingernails are sharp enough

Monte and others

Any experience with Stihl battery powered line trimmers ? What models have the most power ? My BIL is looking for a battery powered line trimmer
Thanks
scarrylarry

The FSA 45 is the home owner model for small gardens or if you do very little (built in battery, made in china).
The FSA 56 is the home owner model if you do a bit more (exchangeable hobby battery, made in Austria).
FSA 65 and FSA 85 are the brushless professional tools (exchangeable pro battery, made in Austria)
I owned the FSA56, it´s nice for smaller stuff (grass, bishop's goutweed) and light weight. It doesn´t remove thicker things very well or not at all though (blackberrys etc.)
The hobby and the pro batteries are not compatible (at least not in germany).
You might want to check out Husqvarna too.

Are Bosch pro-grade impact drills still made in Russia ? This recent one is

I thought the West had trade sanctions in force against Russia...

Since the factory in Switzerland closed in 2016 the former swiss products are now often from Russia or Hungary. iirc the higher priced impact drills and the regular drills are now from Russia. The only german products are the rotaty hammers, certain angle grinders, products based on angle grinders (wallchaser) and a hand full of other products (mixers).
I think the sanctions are mostly against certain persons, products for military and oil production.

been a while waiting on this baby to be released, its in now

Rupes Skorpio E, Random orbit sander, brushless

Still made in Italy and hopefully more reliable than the Mirka Deros and its clones.

nice machine














Pferd and Bahco file handles

 

[nanofrog]

RND Lab Wire Stripper & Flat nose plier

Piergiacomi is the ODM.

 

[Cynical huckster]

But she don´t need it. Her fingernails are sharp enough

But this thing is sharp and heavy enough to chop meat, for example. A very useful thing in the kitchen Moreover, it looks unusual and cool. Also, my wife likes cold steel arms in general. Here is a pic from the same exhibition in 2016. The sword is almost a meter and a half long and made of stainless steel.

 

[scarrylarry]

Monte Thanks for your reply on the Stihl battery powered line trimmer !
scarrylarry

 

[JBH]

Is anyone familiar with the Adam Tool Company? I recently found these German-made 200mm needlenose (“radio”) pliers.

I assume they were made sometime after the Wende, because they just say “Germany.”

The handles seem comfortable enough but their design currently unfashionable: hard green plastic with a firm hip ridge. They say “1000V” but do not carry the VDE - GS mark, which leads me to think maybe Adam Tool Co. was American.

They have a couple interesting features. First, the matte charcoal finish is almost soft-touch.

Second, the joint is single, not lapped like most German needlenose pliers.

Among German tool makers I know, I could only find single-joint needlenose pliers by Orbis, sold under their own brand and presumably others such as Connex.

The single-joint does not open as wide as a lap joint. Here's a comparison of jaw opening capacity with a pair of representative lap joint needlenoses, from Stahlwille.

Does anything know more about this company or have any ideas about the origin of these pliers?

 

[cluca1969]

A new set of screwdrivers VDE from WIHA. I bought one and I am very pleased with it.
It cost me around $37 with fees.
The basic set consists of 6 screwdrivers plus table or wall support.
Optionally you can be bought two additional screwdrivers: Slotted 3.15 and PH1.

 

[Monte]

But this thing is sharp and heavy enough to chop meat, for example. A very useful thing in the kitchen Moreover, it looks unusual and cool. Also, my wife likes cold steel arms in general. Here is a pic from the same exhibition in 2016. The sword is almost a meter and a half long and made of stainless steel.

Thats right. If you process whole cows or pigs in your kitchen it will be useful The sword would be useful in a kitchen too

Monte Thanks for your reply on the Stihl battery powered line trimmer !
scarrylarry

you´re welcome

Is anyone familiar with the Adam Tool Company? I recently found these German-made 200mm needlenose (“radio”) pliers.

I guess it was made for a american/canadian tool store.
The pliers seems to be made by Will.
Older Will pliers:

Freund snow shovel i bought for a neighbour:

 

[upgrading]

A new set of screwdrivers VDE from WIHA.

Nice to see it is made in Germany.

snow shovel i bought for a neighbour:

You got some weather coming up ?

 

[mr.lemons]

A new set of screwdrivers VDE from WIHA. I bought one and I am very pleased with it.
It cost me around $37 with fees.
The basic set consists of 6 screwdrivers plus table or wall support.
Optionally you can be bought two additional screwdrivers: Slotted 3.15 and PH1.

Do all Wiha VDE screwdrivers have the size and tip type printed on the end of the handle or is this a new thing? All screwdrivers should have this.

 

[cluca1969]

Yes, all have printed on the end of handle the size and type.

 

[Reed Prince]

Does anyone know why many European precision screwdriver sets include more slotted than Phillips drivers? The Wiha VDE six driver set has four, as does the PB Swiss ESD six driver set. When I think of where these slotted drivers might be used, I imagine watches or cameras, neither of which would seem to need either VDE or ESD screwdrivers.

 

[losvre]

Anyone knows manufacturer/ coo of these? They seem sturdy but I report back after I have used them for a while.


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[JBH]

I guess it was made for a american/canadian tool store.
The pliers seems to be made by Will.
Older Will pliers:

Wow, impressive. You should write a book about the history of the German tool industry. Or go to law school and work in investigations/discovery. That’s a booming industry in Germany right now...
The finish on these Adam pliers is really interesting. They look like the common NWS finish, but feel totally different. They’re soft and warmish to the touch.

Also, nice shovel!

 

[Snakevz]

Some goodies [emoji14] Stihl 2 stroke fuel bottle(COO Mexico), Bosch sds plus chisels(Italy), Bosch sds chuck grease (does anyone know "ingredients"?)(Germany) [emoji14]
Who would tell that hammering chisels could be ****

 

[cluca1969]

Does anyone know why many European precision screwdriver sets include more slotted than Phillips drivers? The Wiha VDE six driver set has four, as does the PB Swiss ESD six driver set. When I think of where these slotted drivers might be used, I imagine watches or cameras, neither of which would seem to need either VDE or ESD screwdrivers.

I do not think it's a bad intention or a conspiracy, it's all about the internal policy of each manufacturer that determines what would be more useful for the average user.
For example, I use more of PH than Slotted, and always when I buy a new set of screwdrivers I hit the same problem - the lack of PH Screwdrivers, PH000 or PH1, and then I have to buy them separately to complete my set with all the sizes.
Anyway, I like to have all the dimensions for future needs and that's why I buy, and I buy it and ...

 

[maico]

Here's an updated list I've compiled of companies currently making vises in Europe and the US.
The list excludes rebrands, for example Hazet sell a model made by Kanca and Facom by FZA.

In no particular order we have;

1) FZA in Italy. They offer models made of forged steel, cast Iron or cast steel. The also now make Leinen vises
http://www.fza-morsificio.com/fza.htm

2) GRESSEL in Switzerland
http://www.gressel.ch/storage/brochures/20_AX_PS.pdf

3) RIDGID-Peddinghaus. Steel drop forged in Germany. Some parts from Kanca

4) Brockhaus HEUER. Long established family company. Drop forged steel made in Germany since the 1920s. Available from numerous outlets online so I guess the largest Western manufacturer. The smaller vises are good value in the EU. I own the 125mm and 180mm versions.
https://www.heuer.de/en/vices/vice/

5) DOLEX. Forged in France.
https://www.dolex.fr/en/clamping-tools/bench-vices/adjustable-bench-vices/type-50/

6) PENN stahlgeschmiedet Austria
http://www.penn.at/stahlgeschmiedet/produkte/schraubstock/

7) YORK. Made in the Czech Republic. Their pre-war 1936 model is what the later US Wilton bullet design was based on
http://www.york.cz/en/workshop-bench-vices-york-text

8) KUPPER. Made in Germany. Their cheaper non-forged line is cheaper than some Chinese made brands. https://www.friedrich-kuepper.de/pro...&no_children=1

9) KANCA made in Turkey.Their forged steel vices are similar to Heuer and Peddinghaus. Also an interesting blacksmiths vice is available. Pdf catalogue here:
http://www.kanca.com.tr/download/pdf/ElAletleri_EN.pdf

10) BISON made in Poland
http://www.bison-bial.com/vises/bench-vises

11) SCHLEGEL made in Germany up until circa 2010. Some NOS still around. Design similar to Leinen. High quality cast.

12) WILTON. Only high end models US made. Interesting this small portable one looks like it was sourced from York according to the COO
https://www.zoro.com/wilton-portable-vise-clamp-on-swivel-light-duty-cbv-100/i/G2471637/

13) REED. The big ones are made in the US
https://www.reedmfgco.com/en/products/

14) YOST. Mid-price forged steel model is made in Taiwan. The large industrial grade models are possibly still US made ? ?
http://www.yostvises.com/products.html

15) MORGAN traditional US made vises
http://www.milwtool.com/v_mach.htm

16) SWINDENS made in England since 1928. Excellent Swivel jaw designs. MOD, Car industry and Government supplier.
http://www.swindens.org/our-products/4593157800

17) BERGEON small Swiss made watchmakers vises. Expensive
https://www.hswalsh.com/product/bergeon-2021-watchmakers-bench-vice-hv2021

18) UNIOR Slovenian made.
http://www.uniortools.com/cgi-bin/cms.cgi?doc=10780&prod=128663

19) VIROVITICA made in Croatia
http://www.rsmetali.hr/en/

http://www.rsmetali.hr/en/about-us.aspx

 

[sam.coll]

A selection of my tools from the old world:

Chisels from Boker made in Germany
Moore & Wright squares/divider
My ESAB caddytig 2200 AC/DC made in Poland
Knipex pliers
Stahlwille 3K Drall screwdrivers and Torx drivers
My metric wrench drawer Stahlwille