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Verdict: worked for me for the 30mm versions at least. I could try it with my larger sizes as well when I get more time.
The two have different designs for positive retention, but when you tighten down the sleeves (which both use the same size hex bolts), they seem to hold just fine. The rubber and plastic heads seem to be malleable enough that each sleeve is able to grip and bite into each other's heads enough to retain them... at least with the few practice whacks I gave them. I can also try swapping a couple soft aluminum heads from the Simplex hammers later.
Even if the plastic heads flew out eventually, might not be a huge deal (or they could hit someone in the head), though they didn't seem like they would. What I would NOT do is use the sleeve of one with the handle of the other, that seems like it could be a recipe for disaster.
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Hi
I am the proud owner of this workshop tool trolley
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It is labelled "Rheidco Practicus"
As far as I have found out by googeling, the brand Rheidco became part of the Meatabo group during the 50's and 60's for then to be sold to Elora.
But, thhis trolley dont seem to be that old..., I am guessing from the 80's.
Has anyone ever seen these before?
Thank you
I am the proud owner of this workshop tool trolley
.It is labelled "Rheidco Practicus"
As far as I have found out by googeling, the brand Rheidco became part of the Meatabo group during the 50's and 60's for then to be sold to Elora.
But, thhis trolley dont seem to be that old..., I am guessing from the 80's.
Has anyone ever seen these before?
Thank you
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Hi
I am the proud owner of this workshop tool trolley
It is labelled "Rheidco Practicus"
As far as I have found out by googeling, the brand Rheidco became part of the Meatabo group during the 50's and 60's for then to be sold to Elora.
But, thhis trolley dont seem to be that old..., I am guessing from the 80's.
Has anyone ever seen these before?
Thank you
Looks very much like the USAG OKAY 510 from the 1980s.
I am not sure whether it is manufactured by USAG or another manufacturer in Italy for Usag. Variants of this model were quite popular in Italy.
scubadoober
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I figured I would leave this here in case someone is making an amazon.de order and wanted to add on. Perfect wrench for Japanese cars. It says it won't ship to the states but it will.
https://www.amazon.de/gp/product/B002J0XG64/ref=ox_sc_act_title_4?smid=A3JWKAKR8XB7XF&psc=1
https://www.amazon.de/gp/product/B002J0XG64/ref=ox_sc_act_title_4?smid=A3JWKAKR8XB7XF&psc=1
Yannick
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Hello
I have this socket set buyed on marktplaats.nl
I don’t no the brand and the country, their is nothing info on the internet.
The set is very nice and the sockets have a great chome finish.
I have this socket set buyed on marktplaats.nl
I don’t no the brand and the country, their is nothing info on the internet.
The set is very nice and the sockets have a great chome finish.
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Ganymedes
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Maybe,Friweg,Hamburg.
Maybe "Original Seeger"
Ganymedes
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That´s for sure! M&W, Eclipse,Gordon,Churchill,Alfred Herbert,Centec,Arrand,Fobco,Myford,Qualters & Smith,Britool etc.Expert is less. All gone.........Btw: I love my Harrison M300 lathe, My Clarkson Mk2 tool-/cutter grinder and my Q&S Terrier saw!
Picked up some new larger cable shears that were on sale. The unlabeled cable cutters are supposed to be Gedore 8094 shears. Though they came in Gedore packaging, it's odd they're not marked anywhere and there was also no COO anywhere, which is unlike all my other Gedore pliers which are marked as made in Austria. They have the same red dipped handles as a recent pair of Gedore combination pliers I got that were old stock.
I also picked up these Hazet VDE insulated shears for good measure.
It appears to me that the Gedore, Hazet, and Knipex cable shears are all made by the same company, as they all have the same design and machining marks. Anyone have any idea who actually makes these?
One thing I found interesting is that it looks like Gedore started grinding down the molding seams in the sides of their combination pliers, which you can see in the newer blue handled combination pliers, but not the old, and also not on the newer diagonal cutters.
All of these seem nice and well made. In fact, the smaller, non stripping Knipex pliers we're my first Knipex tool I ever bought, not long ago, which started my affection for the brand and German tools in general.
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I also picked up these Hazet VDE insulated shears for good measure.
It appears to me that the Gedore, Hazet, and Knipex cable shears are all made by the same company, as they all have the same design and machining marks. Anyone have any idea who actually makes these?
One thing I found interesting is that it looks like Gedore started grinding down the molding seams in the sides of their combination pliers, which you can see in the newer blue handled combination pliers, but not the old, and also not on the newer diagonal cutters.
All of these seem nice and well made. In fact, the smaller, non stripping Knipex pliers we're my first Knipex tool I ever bought, not long ago, which started my affection for the brand and German tools in general.
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Another thing I thought was interesting was how the insulation in the Hazet VDE shears appears to have been dipped with the shears assembled and handles together, and the unceremoniously broken apart.
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Thanks for the feedbackVerdict: worked for me for the 30mm versions at least. I could try it with my larger sizes as well when I get more time.
The two have different designs for positive retention, but when you tighten down the sleeves (which both use the same size hex bolts), they seem to hold just fine. The rubber and plastic heads seem to be malleable enough that each sleeve is able to grip and bite into each other's heads enough to retain them... at least with the few practice whacks I gave them. I can also try swapping a couple soft aluminum heads from the Simplex hammers later.
Even if the plastic heads flew out eventually, might not be a huge deal (or they could hit someone in the head), though they didn't seem like they would. What I would NOT do is use the sleeve of one with the handle of the other, that seems like it could be a recipe for disaster.
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I really like the look of the Stahlwille set. I wish it had a few extra socket sizes though.Stahlwille 40/16/3QR SCI 1/4
Should they not have blue handles or were they nos?
Agreed it's limited as both a socket set and bit driver set but would make a nice gift.
Gedore Red open ratchet spanner with flare ring end. Possibly more useful than traditional double open ended spanners. New video but I'm not sure if these are actually a new release or were available under Carlous previously.
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Should they not have blue handles or were they nos?
Fairly sure they were new old stock.
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I always thought it to be Knipex. Here's another un-labelled one at work that got auto-shipped from Germany in 2012. It's laser engraved with part# and "Made in Germany" and handle has "Germany" as well. Excuse the poor photo quality...cell phone camera from back then was ****.
Gone is the Carolus brand and in with the new Gedore Red brand, eh.
Ditto.
Found a 1/4" ratchet I'd been looking on and off for a while. My favorite mechanism in this size to use is from Koken, but I prefer screwdriver-style handles over metal. I learned a while ago here on GJ that there was a Koken x Wiha QR 1/4" ratchet. The seller (https://trustkai.de - posting because he was communicative and shipped super-fast at a reasonable rate) had two, so I bought two.
Interestingly, the Koken x Wiha QR head is a little more compact than the Koken bit ratchet's.
Gone is the Carolus brand and in with the new Gedore Red brand, eh.[/QUOTE]
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Speaking of Halder Simplex mallets: I bought my 40mm via a friend who is a garagist, here in France, who ordered it from Förch, with a black rubber and a red plastic head: they don´t have other heads at Förch. Anyone here, in Burgundy, who knows where to buy the 2 white, the blue and other (spare) heads? Tnx in anticipation. It´s difficult to buy good stuff here. Most of the "bricolages" only sell Chinese ****,Facom,Bost,Edma,Mondelin,Müller,MOB, Stanley and Bahco
Amazon?
Can anybody tell me about this item?
Schlagring (seems to mean brass knuckles in german) W-Germany is on the head of the wrench/ratchet, and a picture of a brass knuckle.
Handle states Anatom, W Germany, Crafty 855, and another Schlagring logo.
My best guess is a early verson of a low profile ratchet or pass through ratchet system?
Schlagring (seems to mean brass knuckles in german) W-Germany is on the head of the wrench/ratchet, and a picture of a brass knuckle.
Handle states Anatom, W Germany, Crafty 855, and another Schlagring logo.
My best guess is a early verson of a low profile ratchet or pass through ratchet system?
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Rennsteig, thank you! I was looking through the Orbis catalogue trying to see if they made them, but I completely forgot about Rennsteig, which is funny because I have a ton of Rennsteig locking pliers, rebranded from Bollmann-Selzer.
The Hazet cable shears also look identical to me other than the handles and the steel/finish, but I see Rennsteig offers both finishes for this size and style of shears:
https://www.rennsteig.com/en/products/cutting/191-cable-shears-d20
I did download the Hauptkatalog for Intercable here, and the cable shears on they make on page 134 look like a different design:
https://elektro.intercable.de/de/downloads/1162
I also found the shears by Galemp on page 8 of their catalogue, which requires Adobe Flash to view. And yes, these shears look identical to the Hazet, and on the opposing page, you can see VDE dipped pliers with the exact same style of VDE dipped handle:
https://www.galemp.de/web/flipviewerxpress.html?pn=10
Out of the above, I'd say Galemp looks like a match. I'm curious how you knew the Hazet shears are from a different manufacturer than the Rennsteig/Knipex/Gedore shears?
Very nice. Wish other combos were available. Facom head with PB Swiss handle would be good.
Looks like Schlagring is still in business. You could try contacting them if you don't get an answer here.
http://www.schlagring.de/
E-Mail: [email protected]
Noticed a few German tool sites still use flash. Took me a while to realise why they didn't work.
They look good in Rennsteig colours.
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Bought a couple of nos 6 point spanners to try. I know these aren't highly regarded here but they were the only branded 6 point I could find at a reasonable price. Both Britool Hallmark from the same seller but appear quite different. I assume one is newer than the other. Not sure if either was made in England. The 12mm seams to be better quality but has a thin/sharp beam so isn't much fun to use.
6 vs 12 point.
Reason for trying 6 point was to see if they grip better than 12 point on rounded bolts. Sometimes I need to refit a damaged bolt to get my car back on the road and find water pump or locking pliers can be destructive.
I kept filing away at bolts until the 12 point slipped then tried the 6 point.
12 point Stahlwille.
6 point Britool Hallmark.
At this stage 12 point slips round with no resistance at all but 6 point still works. 12 point rubs slightly but will not move the bolt even when it's been loosened. 6 point at this stage was able to grip and tighten the bolt enough to strip the thread so more than enough to be functional.
6 point working better than these as the Knipex struggles to grip the soft metal.
About the limit of 6 point where the bolt can still be tightened to some degree. Probably just enough to be functional. The Knipex worked here after the 6 point failed.
As usual my 'test' is floored and provides no scientific data but to me the difference is night and day. 6 point may have limited use in confined spaces but I'm definitely looking for a set now. Double box end would be nice Santa.
6 vs 12 point.
Reason for trying 6 point was to see if they grip better than 12 point on rounded bolts. Sometimes I need to refit a damaged bolt to get my car back on the road and find water pump or locking pliers can be destructive.
I kept filing away at bolts until the 12 point slipped then tried the 6 point.
12 point Stahlwille.
6 point Britool Hallmark.
At this stage 12 point slips round with no resistance at all but 6 point still works. 12 point rubs slightly but will not move the bolt even when it's been loosened. 6 point at this stage was able to grip and tighten the bolt enough to strip the thread so more than enough to be functional.
6 point working better than these as the Knipex struggles to grip the soft metal.
About the limit of 6 point where the bolt can still be tightened to some degree. Probably just enough to be functional. The Knipex worked here after the 6 point failed.
As usual my 'test' is floored and provides no scientific data but to me the difference is night and day. 6 point may have limited use in confined spaces but I'm definitely looking for a set now. Double box end would be nice Santa.
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upgrading
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You might be unable to get them, but I wonder if these wrenches would help you in that situation ?
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00YQL57SO/?tag=atomicindus08-20
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00YQL57SO/?tag=atomicindus08-20
scubadoober
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Does Felo make their own sockets and extensions? I ordered a couple from KC to fill gaps. The knurling, broaching, and chrome look great. KC lists the COO as Germany, but they are not branded Felo which makes me think they are not in house. Any insight?
Heyco brake spring pliers and screwdriver set. The screwdrivers are West German so must be old stock
I really liked these green handled Heyco screwdrivers posted a while ago, so I bought a couple sets I found on sale Amazon.de, along with a 1/4" bit driver and a set of Torx screwdrivers as well. I'm really happy with them. Obviously not as comfortable as the Wera confirm grip screwdrivers, but wow are the beautiful, and I'll likely reach for these when working on anything greasy or oily.
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Ganymedes
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I too have this one:impeccable pliers! Very useful for electronics!
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Looks like a repaint of a sandvik, er bahco
Which I suppose means you have a craftsman snap-on hacksaw there. haha
I like this 325 more than my 3 other saws from the seventies: Sandvik 225, BluePoint and Facom. It is really comfortable!
Ganymedes
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I have all these Facom isoryl screwdrivers from the seventies: flat,Ph,Pzd,socket and TACL, now useless. Very nice, but a somewhat small handle diameter
"Noname" Wiha pliers. 1000v insulation
The pliers are from Wiha Vietnam's factory, somehow the workers got these and sell to me: 10 usd each.
The Wiha chrome finish is incredible, but i dont know how long it can hold. I never use chrome finish heavy duty plier before.
The pliers are from Wiha Vietnam's factory, somehow the workers got these and sell to me: 10 usd each.
The Wiha chrome finish is incredible, but i dont know how long it can hold. I never use chrome finish heavy duty plier before
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To my knowledge there is no dipping facility at Rennsteig, Knipex has the dipping facility but they do not do private label (except for a few big names as Würth). Therefore the Hazet dipped shears should be from a specialized dipping plant; there are not much in Germany - Friedrich and Lemp-Intercable group. Friedrich uses VBW shears so it should be Lemp-Intercable.
You are right about Intercable, they do not do dipping and manufacture insulated tools only with injection molded handles. GA Lemp is the one which does dipped tools.
Bought a couple of nos 6 point spanners to try. I know these aren't highly regarded here but they were the only branded 6 point I could find at a reasonable price. Both Britool Hallmark from the same seller but appear quite different. I assume one is newer than the other. Not sure if either was made in England. The 12mm seams to be better quality but has a thin/sharp beam so isn't much fun to use.
As usual my 'test' is floored and provides no scientific data but to me the difference is night and day. 6 point may have limited use in confined spaces but I'm definitely looking for a set now. Double box end would be nice Santa.
You can get the whole set for £45;
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/BRITOOL-...h=item285abaa5b0:g:MKsAAOSwdW9aTfSa:rk:6:pf:0
I have it but branded by a different company, very rarely use them, the swing arc to engage the next flat is too much in most cases.
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I have this saw under the Craftsman name, made in Sweden
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Ganymedes
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Maybe, but I like the" feel" before buying..........A shop in the neighbourhood is much nicer.
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As usual my 'test' is floored and provides no scientific data but to me the difference is night and day. 6 point may have limited use in confined spaces but I'm definitely looking for a set now. Double box end would be nice Santa.
KTC offers double-box offset in limited metric sizes. You get two of the same sizes on either end so that you can work the fastener like a regular 12pt offset box wrench that has a 30* working angle.
Nepros offers double-box zero offset. These are properly broached to allow for a 30* working angle range.
Another thing I thought was interesting was how the insulation in the Hazet VDE shears appears to have been dipped with the shears assembled and handles together, and the unceremoniously broken apart.
My Stahlwille side cutters look like they were dipped and then the handles were cut apart, too.
Hello everyone! I have a little puzzle.
I recently purchased a 1/2 round head ratchet. I usually don't buy stuff without country origin markings (Germany, France, etc.), or brand name.
However, this ratchet seemed to be very well made, not Chinese. And I like old tools. It was in bad shape, however I restored it quite successfully.
It has "Schalten" on the head (if I am correct, a German word for switching), so I guess it is probably of German origin. Besides standard markings (drop forged & Cr. Vanadium), it also has a little logo. It is placed below the head, and before the "drop forged". I don't recognize that logo.
Can you help me to identify the tool brand (manufacturer of this tool)? I am sending the photos, attached.
I guess, if Monte and other Garage journal experts can't identify this tool, than no one can.
I have a little puzzle.I recently purchased a 1/2 round head ratchet. I usually don't buy stuff without country origin markings (Germany, France, etc.), or brand name.
However, this ratchet seemed to be very well made, not Chinese.
And I like old tools. It was in bad shape, however I restored it quite successfully.It has "Schalten" on the head (if I am correct, a German word for switching), so I guess it is probably of German origin. Besides standard markings (drop forged & Cr. Vanadium), it also has a little logo. It is placed below the head, and before the "drop forged". I don't recognize that logo.
Can you help me to identify the tool brand (manufacturer of this tool)? I am sending the photos, attached.
I guess, if Monte and other Garage journal experts can't identify this tool, than no one can.
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Thanks. I'm yet to use them for real so may come to the same conclusion about limited use. Good price for the set. Wish they weren't so shiny though.
Think there may be a rakuten order happening soon.
