MarcSeattle
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What was your previous top everyday wrench?
Tools from the old world
- Thread starter Monte
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What was your previous top everyday wrench?
DISCLAIMER;I am not mocking, just having fun.
@MarcSeattle; how do you find Facom items in USA if not on ebay?
@Monte; thank you for the italian prices, several stahlwille impact wrenches showed up on several french websites, the lower price being 180€ and I was wondering what they were truly worth.
If somebody here has managed to find which impact wrench is made by, I am very interested... I could quote 50 brands and only be able to link 3 of them.
MarcSeattle
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@Maxipouce: Ebay is good, but it's pretty easy to order from British websites. The shipping is not expensive. PrimeToolUK, Tool Academy, Tooled-up.com, etc.
JayL
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Hapewe Pliers ( Germany )
Krokodil
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Go on, make fun of me....
They are both Gedore ratchets. One just have a push-through mechanism and the other one a level action. Oh and the new one has a quick release function (awesome).
They are both Gedore ratchets. One just have a push-through mechanism and the other one a level action. Oh and the new one has a quick release function (awesome).
y20dth
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Is the new handle better ? I'm assuming the blue part is soft ?
I've been looking at the new Gedore ratchet but found out they are higher priced then the Hazet ones at the moment.
JayL
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Hi everybody,
Being involved in the hadn tools industry for a long time, I must say I am very impressed by your knowledge and enthusiasm. For the last 3 hours, I had been reading this thread.
- if it has a single-cut surface, then this is a three-square engineer's file (used for finishing machined components)
- if it has a double-cut surface, then this is taper saw file (used for sharpening thin edges or wood working saws)
Being involved in the hadn tools industry for a long time, I must say I am very impressed by your knowledge and enthusiasm. For the last 3 hours, I had been reading this thread.
To my knowledge, the Wurth pliers are made by Knipex; the grips made in Slovenia. Wurth screwdrivers are made by Felo and last year Knipex has acquired the company Felo itself.
Can't really tell from the picture but:
- if it has a single-cut surface, then this is a three-square engineer's file (used for finishing machined components)
- if it has a double-cut surface, then this is taper saw file (used for sharpening thin edges or wood working saws)
superautobacs
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Steven,
I think it's the opposite, where the blue is the hard component.
Are you sourcing Gedore stuff from a US supplier or from Europe?
Welcome CplusF!
If you don't mind, please tell us what your involvement is in the hand tool industry.
What's offered in Istanbul as far as hand tools goes?
As for the Wurth pliers... Will (and Orbis) are companies owned by Knipex, and they both specialize in private label services.
As for the use, in addition to those specific uses, I'd say it's really up to the individual's needs.
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y20dth
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@superautobacs: I get Gedore from europe offcourse. Online in Germany and The Netherlands (where it is relativily popular). I can get it in stores here, but online is generally cheaper.
Here's the new Gedore promo on my photobucket: http://s1047.photobucket.com/albums/b471/y20dth/Tool%20Promos/Gedore%20Promo%202010/
Here's the new Gedore promo on my photobucket: http://s1047.photobucket.com/albums/b471/y20dth/Tool%20Promos/Gedore%20Promo%202010/
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superautobacs
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Aaaah shucks...slipped my mind that you're from Antwerp.
BTW, thanks for uploading all those promos
....I was looking through them a couple weeks ago. I'll be looking at them again to see if I'd like to purchase something when I go to Germany in about a month.Krokodil
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The blue part is the hard part and the black part is the soft part.
@Wizard1:
nice !! If you need the open end version ---> www.rarestar.com.tw
@Krokodil:
nice ! looks fashionable !
time for a handle transplant
Which on do like better ?
ps: where are you from ??
@maxipouce:
for 180€ you can get a unique Stahwille tool only available in France and Italy (???) so its priceless for the Stahlwille fan So keep yours. Or send it to me and i give you my IR 2130 XP in exchange
@jayL
it seems its a file for sharpening saw tooth ?
@CplusF:
Greetings to Turkey ! Welcome on the board !
Do you have any tools from Altaş or İzeltaş ?? (or other turkish manufacturers)
ps: Felo is owned by Würth click (only found in german but if you type in "Felo Würth" into google you`ll probably find it in english too)
ps: the "Würth Cobra":
the handle of the Wurth pliers always reminds me a little bit on these "Will" handles (at least the upper part of the handle and 50% of the part )
@Bhae:
i took some pics of used Brüder Mannesmann tools from our hobby garage:
Especially take a look at pic 3 + 4
@Bhae:
I dont own any KS-Tools tools. So i cant tell you anything. You will probably hear they`re good , others say they`re bad...50/50%.... Same with the other import tools....
I think they`re too expensive. Ok special tools or socket sets sometimes are not to beat or hard to beat in price, but individual tools like pliers for example are too expensive because i can get Knipex for the price, hex keys i can get german made ones for the price, pin punches from germany (Rennsteig) are 50% cheaper (!!) than the KS-tools imported ones (they also have french made punches but even more expensive), Italian hammers which start at 4,64€ (+ vat), german made screwdriver set 5pc. at the "Aldi" store for 7,49 (or 8,49?) , impact sockets from "Ko-ken" are cheaper etc. etc. etc..
So i never saw the need to buy from them.
If i need a low price for sockets etc. then i would buy "Carolus" so at least the money ends at a manufacturer (Gedore) and the price is better or i would buy the sockets at my local car parts dealer where the 1/4" sockets start at 53 cent a piece (+tax)....
They seem to have a good distribution - i was told some Gedore employees work there now - so you see Ks-Tools quite often - they also made it into some wholesale catalogs where you usually only see Gedore, Hazet, Stahlwille etc. so KS-tools is meant as lower priced alternative to the other brands. The only other imported name-brand tools which i saw in these catalogs is "Proxxon" and "Bahco".
Long text still no answer
But i think another question which arise is how is Ks-tools compared to Proxxon, King Tony, Kraftwerk, Brüder Mannesmann etc. ??? Since everything is from the same region, but nobody knows where everything is exactly sourced from....?.... So it is always difficult to say how the quality is because every tool might or is sourced from another manufacturer, pliers here, sockets there... so do you can trust their name and the quallity ???
nice !! If you need the open end version
---> www.rarestar.com.tw
@Krokodil:
nice ! looks fashionable !
time for a handle transplant
Which on do like better ?
ps: where are you from ??
@maxipouce:
for 180€ you can get a unique Stahwille tool only available in France and Italy (???) so its priceless for the Stahlwille fan
So keep yours. Or send it to me and i give you my IR 2130 XP in exchange @jayL
it seems its a file for sharpening saw tooth ?
@CplusF:
Greetings to Turkey ! Welcome on the board !
Do you have any tools from Altaş or İzeltaş ?? (or other turkish manufacturers)
ps: Felo is owned by Würth click (only found in german but if you type in "Felo Würth" into google you`ll probably find it in english too)
ps: the "Würth Cobra":
the handle of the Wurth pliers always reminds me a little bit on these "Will" handles (at least the upper part of the handle and 50% of the part
)
@Bhae:
i took some pics of used Brüder Mannesmann tools from our hobby garage:
Especially take a look at pic 3 + 4
@Bhae:
I dont own any KS-Tools tools. So i cant tell you anything. You will probably hear they`re good , others say they`re bad...50/50%.... Same with the other import tools....
I think they`re too expensive. Ok special tools or socket sets sometimes are not to beat or hard to beat in price, but individual tools like pliers for example are too expensive because i can get Knipex for the price, hex keys i can get german made ones for the price, pin punches from germany (Rennsteig) are 50% cheaper (!!) than the KS-tools imported ones (they also have french made punches but even more expensive), Italian hammers which start at 4,64€ (+ vat), german made screwdriver set 5pc. at the "Aldi" store for 7,49 (or 8,49?) , impact sockets from "Ko-ken" are cheaper etc. etc. etc..
So i never saw the need to buy from them.
If i need a low price for sockets etc. then i would buy "Carolus" so at least the money ends at a manufacturer (Gedore) and the price is better or i would buy the sockets at my local car parts dealer where the 1/4" sockets start at 53 cent a piece (+tax)....
They seem to have a good distribution - i was told some Gedore employees work there now - so you see Ks-Tools quite often - they also made it into some wholesale catalogs where you usually only see Gedore, Hazet, Stahlwille etc. so KS-tools is meant as lower priced alternative to the other brands. The only other imported name-brand tools which i saw in these catalogs is "Proxxon" and "Bahco".
Long text still no answer
But i think another question which arise is how is Ks-tools compared to Proxxon, King Tony, Kraftwerk, Brüder Mannesmann etc. ??? Since everything is from the same region, but nobody knows where everything is exactly sourced from....?.... So it is always difficult to say how the quality is because every tool might or is sourced from another manufacturer, pliers here, sockets there... so do you can trust their name and the quallity ???
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CrustyD3mon
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wowww...i think Mannesmann was better than this...damm...what a piece of ****:S
@ Monte:
First of all, thank you for your explanation.
My interest in KS tools, is to offer something cheaper in what is "professional tool."
I will work with STAHLWILLE, Acesa, Bahco, Irimo, KNIPEX, Felo etc .... but I want to offer something that is affordable without necessarily being a bad tool.
I'll bring TOPTUL, many things TOPTUL. They are cheaper than other brands and I think they are good tools, at least in this forum people are very happy with them.
For example:
Toptul is 1.5 times more expensive than KSTOOLS
STAHLWILLE is 3.5 times more expensive than KSTOOLS
That's why I asked your opinion about KSTOOLS, if you knew if they made quality tools or not.
Greetings.
First of all, thank you for your explanation.
My interest in KS tools, is to offer something cheaper in what is "professional tool."
I will work with STAHLWILLE, Acesa, Bahco, Irimo, KNIPEX, Felo etc .... but I want to offer something that is affordable without necessarily being a bad tool.
I'll bring TOPTUL, many things TOPTUL. They are cheaper than other brands and I think they are good tools, at least in this forum people are very happy with them.
For example:
Toptul is 1.5 times more expensive than KSTOOLS
STAHLWILLE is 3.5 times more expensive than KSTOOLS
That's why I asked your opinion about KSTOOLS, if you knew if they made quality tools or not.
Greetings.
Welcome CplusF!
If you don't mind, please tell us what your involvement is in the hand tool industry.
What's offered in Istanbul as far as hand tools goes?
Hi, I do own a factory manfuacturing hand tools and tool cabinets. In Istanbul, of domestic, it is mainly Izeltas, Ceta Form and Altas. Altas is now 100% owned by Gedore but what they offer is way different than Gedore, it is rather like Carolus of Gedore. Of imports, it is mainly Beta, Hazet and some KS in automotive, Stanley in construction, Knipex and Wiha in electrical.
Thank you, greetings to Deutschland
Yes, I have plenty of Izeltas and Altas here as we need to benchmark them from time to time but I prefer not posting them @Bhae:
Imho Monte is completely right about KS TOOLS, actually they are not that cheap in certain lines; they only have the image that they are cheap. Their main strength is in sockets, specialist auto tools and gear wrenches.
Are you thinking to import the value line of tools for your shop by yourself or do you intend to buy them locally from the distributor in Spain?
@ CplusF
You are right, checking some prices, such as pliers KSTOOLS high-end, there is little large differences in KNIPEX.
However, the sockets if they are somewhat cheaper.
I also believe that I will bring some specific items for KS TOOLS, but very few.
We import directly from Germany, through their representatives in Spain.
You are right, checking some prices, such as pliers KSTOOLS high-end, there is little large differences in KNIPEX.
However, the sockets if they are somewhat cheaper.
I also believe that I will bring some specific items for KS TOOLS, but very few.
We import directly from Germany, through their representatives in Spain.
CrustyD3mon
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Hey guys....what do you think about BETA ? i don't know if you already talked about it before, but i need to ear some opinions...i'm thinking in acquire this pliers for 25,00€ in second hand good shape...what do you think about it?
Thanks
Thanks
y20dth
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Beta makes (or should I say "sells") very good tools, but I would not pay €25 for those USED 4 pliers. Maybe €10 - €15.
@Bhae:
-the good thing abot KS is that they have a tool catalog with more than 900 pages of tools, so I don`t think anybody else (Toptul etc.) can beat that. So if you want to be able to offer your customers everything out of 1 hand i probably also go with KS since they have everything from air tools to automotive tools, building tools etc. (even accessoires like saw blades etc.).
-The KS tools have a certain "corporate identity" design - everything in the same KS tools color. Other tools like BGS-technic or SW-Stahl, Brüder Mannesmann etc. look cheap because they come in 20 different colors and handle styles etc. So KS tools look more professionel , more like a quality tool.
- What you also have to consider is the sales support, warranty, service etc. so i guess as long as Toptul for example has no own european branch it will be easier to deal with Ks-Tools in Germany or spain regarding orders and warranty returns etc.
Another very important point is the "brand recognition", the attendance at fairs/exhibitions, advertisement, word-of-mouth propaganda etc. So i think you are better off with Ks-Tools compared with other brands like King Tony or Hans tools, Toptul etc.
(and if Ks-tools is even cheaper than Toptul....)
which factory ? Ceta Form ?
c`mon post them ... What other tools do you test ? only local brands or also Hazet etc. ?
Do you know where Ceta Form sources their tools from and what do they produce on their own ?? Some tools have a german look like some pipe wrenches, tin snips, locking pliers seem to be from Grip-On, T-handle hex keys + C-Plus screwdrivers from Hafu (at least the handle design borrowed) etc...
Ceta Form
Hafu
I think this type of ratchet is from Taiwan. I`ve seen a release button ("5 star" design) like this somewhere else (i think "Connex" brand)
@crustyD3mon:
ps:
I heard (from a german plier manufacturer) that the Beta pliers are fom china...
-the good thing abot KS is that they have a tool catalog with more than 900 pages of tools, so I don`t think anybody else (Toptul etc.) can beat that. So if you want to be able to offer your customers everything out of 1 hand i probably also go with KS since they have everything from air tools to automotive tools, building tools etc. (even accessoires like saw blades etc.).
-The KS tools have a certain "corporate identity" design - everything in the same KS tools color. Other tools like BGS-technic or SW-Stahl, Brüder Mannesmann etc. look cheap because they come in 20 different colors and handle styles etc. So KS tools look more professionel , more like a quality tool.
- What you also have to consider is the sales support, warranty, service etc. so i guess as long as Toptul for example has no own european branch it will be easier to deal with Ks-Tools in Germany or spain regarding orders and warranty returns etc.
Another very important point is the "brand recognition", the attendance at fairs/exhibitions, advertisement, word-of-mouth propaganda etc. So i think you are better off with Ks-Tools compared with other brands like King Tony or Hans tools, Toptul etc.
(and if Ks-tools is even cheaper than Toptul....)
which factory ?
Ceta Form ?Thank you, greetings to Deutschland
c`mon post them ... What other tools do you test ? only local brands or also Hazet etc. ?Do you know where Ceta Form sources their tools from and what do they produce on their own ?? Some tools have a german look like some pipe wrenches, tin snips, locking pliers seem to be from Grip-On, T-handle hex keys + C-Plus screwdrivers from Hafu (at least the handle design borrowed) etc...
Ceta Form
Hafu
I think this type of ratchet is from Taiwan. I`ve seen a release button ("5 star" design) like this somewhere else (i think "Connex" brand)
@crustyD3mon:
ps:
I heard (from a german plier manufacturer) that the Beta pliers are fom china...
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@ Monte:
Thanks for the explanation.
KS as you say, has a very extensive catalog. But if I asked for Ks tools has been to know its quality, because I will not bring many things from them, just some in particular.
In Toptul, I will bring many things, especially wrenches, mixed, ring wrenches, sockets, socket sets, Ratched, accessories to Ratched ...
But I have fear, because Toptul is not well known in Spain, and to what extent is not going to have acceptance of these products, but I think I'm going to ariege as consideo that make very good products at an attractive price.
Regards
Thanks for the explanation.
KS as you say, has a very extensive catalog. But if I asked for Ks tools has been to know its quality, because I will not bring many things from them, just some in particular.
In Toptul, I will bring many things, especially wrenches, mixed, ring wrenches, sockets, socket sets, Ratched, accessories to Ratched ...
But I have fear, because Toptul is not well known in Spain, and to what extent is not going to have acceptance of these products, but I think I'm going to ariege as consideo that make very good products at an attractive price.
Regards
CrustyD3mon
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Yes...how much it costs a kit like that? What do you think about BETA @monte ?
@Bhae:
Do you import the Toptul tools direct from Taiwan ?
@CrustyD3mon:
I only have a set of open end wrenches from Beta which seems to be ok, nothing special to mention except that you see a discoloration in the plating (golden discoloration inside the open ends). Fitment is the same like the other brands. 1 extension, but i didn`t use it (dont like full polished chrome) , fitment is good, , and 1 combination pliers, handles are too wide imho, cutting blade don`t work well. I also don`t like a sandblasted surface with glossy chrome. Unfortunately some newer german tool have that too. And 1 hook wrench like pictured 2 or 3 pages ago, it works. I cant tell you much, since i only have this few tools, are only for collecting (Beta plier) or for @ home like the wrench set or only used 1 time like the hook wrench for my Yamaha scooter.
The reason that i dont buy more etc. is that the prices are the same or sometimes even more expensive than german tools, but the quality is not better imho, at least not in case of Beta pliers versus Knipex, or the finish (of the plating of the wrenches) Beta vs. Stahlwille, Gedore or Matador for example (the bright polished wrenches "42LMP" look nice though, but are from "Asia" i heard.....)
The Beta 8 piece open end wrench set which i bought for example was only 2.- euro cheaper than the equal Hazet 8-pc. set.... Ok i bought both
But next to the quality, price etc. of tools we also have to look at the features of the tools, like glossy chrome plated wrenches which are slippery not also on the outside for the bare hand, but also inside the open ends which can cause that you slip off a nut or bolt easier.
Or take a look at a socket where Hazet for example has a nice knurling so you can tighten the nut/bolt with your hand which is not possible in many cases if you dont have the knurling. (rust remover, grease or "WD-40" etc. on the socket or your fingers...)
Or this old Wera socket with flats worked into the socket. Also good for hand tightening - "pre-tightening" of loose screws and nuts before the ratchet can be engaged.
@CrustyD3mon + Bhae:
This set cost about 50 to 55.- € (with 19% sales tax included)
also available in a roll pouch for the same price
or in a tool tray with 6 pc. for about 80.-€
Do you import the Toptul tools direct from Taiwan ?
@CrustyD3mon:
I only have a set of open end wrenches from Beta which seems to be ok, nothing special to mention except that you see a discoloration in the plating (golden discoloration inside the open ends). Fitment is the same like the other brands. 1 extension, but i didn`t use it (dont like full polished chrome) , fitment is good, , and 1 combination pliers, handles are too wide imho, cutting blade don`t work well. I also don`t like a sandblasted surface with glossy chrome. Unfortunately some newer german tool have that too. And 1 hook wrench like pictured 2 or 3 pages ago, it works. I cant tell you much, since i only have this few tools, are only for collecting (Beta plier) or for @ home like the wrench set or only used 1 time like the hook wrench for my Yamaha scooter.
The reason that i dont buy more etc. is that the prices are the same or sometimes even more expensive than german tools, but the quality is not better imho, at least not in case of Beta pliers versus Knipex, or the finish (of the plating of the wrenches) Beta vs. Stahlwille, Gedore or Matador for example (the bright polished wrenches "42LMP" look nice though, but are from "Asia" i heard.....)
The Beta 8 piece open end wrench set which i bought for example was only 2.- euro cheaper than the equal Hazet 8-pc. set.... Ok i bought both
But next to the quality, price etc. of tools we also have to look at the features of the tools, like glossy chrome plated wrenches which are slippery not also on the outside for the bare hand, but also inside the open ends which can cause that you slip off a nut or bolt easier.
Or take a look at a socket where Hazet for example has a nice knurling so you can tighten the nut/bolt with your hand which is not possible in many cases if you dont have the knurling. (rust remover, grease or "WD-40" etc. on the socket or your fingers...)
Or this old Wera socket with flats worked into the socket. Also good for hand tightening - "pre-tightening" of loose screws and nuts before the ratchet can be engaged.
@CrustyD3mon + Bhae:
This set cost about 50 to 55.- € (with 19% sales tax included)
also available in a roll pouch for the same price
or in a tool tray with 6 pc. for about 80.-€
Some more cheap tools from the garage...:
"ADW-Best" screwdriver set. "Meister-Werkzeuge" socket set, and a "Brüder-Mannesmann" socket set (with a Hazet impact socket)
and the 1/4" version of the 1/2" KS-Tools ratchet which I posted a while ago.
"ADW-Best" screwdriver set. "Meister-Werkzeuge" socket set, and a "Brüder-Mannesmann" socket set (with a Hazet impact socket)
and the 1/4" version of the 1/2" KS-Tools ratchet which I posted a while ago.
@ Monte:
I buy Toptul distributor in Spain: http://www.toptulsudeka.es
€ 55.00 include vat, is a price I can offer for the same set. I'm glad there are not many differences in the price.
And 80 € for the set is also a price I can offer.
I buy Toptul distributor in Spain: http://www.toptulsudeka.es
€ 55.00 include vat, is a price I can offer for the same set. I'm glad there are not many differences in the price.
And 80 € for the set is also a price I can offer.
Yes in the UK they have good prices. Facom is a lot cheaper there than here too. Maybe because of the exchange rate ?
@maxipouce:
Do you know something about the french brand "Eternum" or "ETERNUM FURIA" ??
only found some pics but no homepage
The names "Demurger & Cie" "Groupe Demurger" and "Ultra Demurger" / Ultra sciage /saws appear on my searches.... ??
---> www.ultra-tm.com ??
@maxipouce:
Do you know something about the french brand "Eternum" or "ETERNUM FURIA" ??
only found some pics but no homepage
The names "Demurger & Cie" "Groupe Demurger" and "Ultra Demurger" / Ultra sciage /saws appear on my searches.... ??
---> www.ultra-tm.com ??
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Burgerkong
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My set of Wiha precision drivers amongst their friends.
Any opinion on these Beta boxes? Love the orange finish, but not sure on the quality.
Any opinion on these Beta boxes? Love the orange finish, but not sure on the quality.
Very good quality, it is now a quite old brand; the wrenches you show are at least 30years old, we had a complete 6-24mm set like that but my father sold it with the deutz dx85 tractor. If you see eternum-furia on a tool it is even older, they have been bought by Ultra (very famous for their saw blades) I have seen a few sets of ultra tools in the past and then they disappeared.
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@Burgerkong:
Nice Wiha collection !!!
I don`t know about the Beta boxes, the last one i saw "live" was 2 or 3 years ago. They seem to be "normal" like the Metec, Hazet or Gedore boxes. I can`t see any big differences.
@maxipouce:
merci for the information !!! Unfortunately it`s not my wrench....
"Crescent" screwdriver. Looks like it is from "Felo".
Nice Wiha collection !!!
I don`t know about the Beta boxes, the last one i saw "live" was 2 or 3 years ago. They seem to be "normal" like the Metec, Hazet or Gedore boxes. I can`t see any big differences.
@maxipouce:
merci for the information !!!
Unfortunately it`s not my wrench...."Crescent" screwdriver. Looks like it is from "Felo".
Moose-LandTran
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But next to the quality, price etc. of tools we also have to look at the features of the tools, like glossy chrome plated wrenches which are slippery not also on the outside for the bare hand, but also inside the open ends which can cause that you slip off a nut or bolt easier.
Or take a look at a socket where Hazet for example has a nice knurling so you can tighten the nut/bolt with your hand which is not possible in many cases if you dont have the knurling. (rust remover, grease or "WD-40" etc. on the socket or your fingers...)
That engine looks familiar.
Mercedes-Benz 4-cylinder? Like a 230 engine?
My set of Wiha precision drivers amongst their friends.
Damn, they look awesome! (Or should that be epic?)
y20dth
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i've been thinking Mercedes to. But I was afraid to ask....
I believe Monte in into NAV's. That would mean a MB would be seriously out of place....
I believe Monte in into NAV's. That would mean a MB would be seriously out of place....
Burgerkong
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Sick...I manage to get a Beta educational discount...and it seems they are the only company other than Snap-On who uses orange on their cabs.
yes Moose you`re right (and you too y20dth) ! So you`re not only a VAG expert but also Mercedes !?! So when do you open your own shop ??
(but it`s not a car i work on , only for the photo shooting )
I like something like this better to work on...:
old "Orbis" pliers:
@Burgerkong:
How high is the discount for Beta ?
(but it`s not a car i work on , only for the photo shooting
)I like something like this better to work on...:
old "Orbis" pliers:
@Burgerkong:
How high is the discount for Beta ?
Sick Puppy
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@CrustyD3mon + Bhae:
This set cost about 50 to 55.- € (with 19% sales tax included)
also available in a roll pouch for the same price
or in a tool tray with 6 pc. for about 80.-€
Man, how I love coming back to this thread! I am just curious however about these Knipex circlip pliers- it seems here that Facom are selling a similar version of these, the ones with a torx style centre? I think I've missed something, but are these not very popular because of this centre piece?
I preferred these over the normal knipex ones as they are more streamlined (easier to get into spaces)... so what is the problem with these, and are their better circlip pliers? Thanks!
Further edit: I forgot to mention that these in the UK are nearly the same price as Teng and King Tony here.. guess which ones I'd rather buy? lol
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Burgerkong
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I'm waiting for the rep to get back to me, so I'll post again when he gives me a number
