Tools from the old world

[Negen]

It some times helps to have a "convertible" pair of circlip pliers. Glad you had the tool needed

I rarely use circlips pliers, but today I needed to open up a suction control valve so finally had a proper use to justify purchasing quality pliers. I upgraded my circlip pliers a while ago, carefully selecting all the sizes required to cover all circlips that I will encounter. [emoji106]

Nope. Had to use an old cheapo pair. Gutted

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[mr.lemons]

Autojumble is back and it didn't rain.

Sorry about the sniffing in the video. Vid is 4.5 mins.

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[upgrading]

Good Autojumble vid.
Enjoy the British made hammer.

 

[GrantCee]

Haven't seen these before. Snipe nose combination pliers from Bahco. Look similar to Knipex 08 22 145, but come in 160mm, 180mm, 200mm. I cannot find them for sale anywhere so maybe new? 'Spain' on the handle.

https://www.bahco.com/gb_en/ergotm-...t-handles-and-phosphate-finish-pb_2629g_.html

That's a plier I could definitely use! I can't find them for sale, either; if you do, please update us.

 

[Dave455]

That's a plier I could definitely use! I can't find them for sale, either; if you do, please update us.

I have the Knipex version too.

Yes, seriously useful design. There are many times you need pliers with a fine nose, but don’t always need to be long nose.

I keep mine, together with the PB bit driver shown, in my work jacket. Smaller, lighter and cheaper than a multitool, but works better for what I do!

Snap On, who own Bahco, seem to target their various brands to different markets. Williams, for example, is definitely targeted at the U.S. market, and quite difficult to get in the U.K. or Europe.

Bahco, on the other hand, seems to be widely available here. I can get the Bahco pliers in my local electrical suppliers. They seem to be o.k. but not the best, and retail price is higher than I can get Knipex for online, so the Knipex usually wins!

 

[Cynical huckster]

That's a plier I could definitely use! I can't find them for sale, either; if you do, please update us.

Looks like this is a new reference. At least local Bahco distributors don't supply it yet.

 

[GrantCee]

I have the Knipex version too.

Yes, seriously useful design. There are many times you need pliers with a fine nose, but don’t always need to be long nose.

I keep mine, together with the PB bit driver shown, in my work jacket. Smaller, lighter and cheaper than a multitool, but works better for what I do!

Snap On, who own Bahco, seem to target their various brands to different markets. Williams, for example, is definitely targeted at the U.S. market, and quite difficult to get in the U.K. or Europe.

Bahco, on the other hand, seems to be widely available here. I can get the Bahco pliers in my local electrical suppliers. They seem to be o.k. but not the best, and retail price is higher than I can get Knipex for online, so the Knipex usually wins!

I've seen the Knipex version, and it's a nice plier, but it's just a tad small for my use. A 180 would be perfect, but even a 160 would be better than 145.

 

[Krokodil]

The PB Insiders are awesome. Love mine.

 

[cheechi]

apologies if this has been asked before, search kind of failed me. Felo and NWS pliers are the same, at least the ones I have looked at. I think I have also seen some Gedore (don't quote me on that) and Orbis with the same forging style and slide/peg design. Are these made by Felo for NWS or by NWS for Felo?

Or is this maybe part of a 'who owns whom' question?

 

[pizza]

NWS makes them for felo and many others

 

[Dave455]

I think I know the design you mean. Yes, pizza has it correct and NWS are the makers. NWS seem to supply a lot of pliers as rebrands. Maybe even more than under their own name.

Felo are basically a screwdriver maker. I suspect that anything Felo apart from screwdrivers and bits is rebranded, but if it’s made in Germany by a reputable company that’s not an issue.

Gedore pliers seem to be different. They are made in Austria rather then Germany, and the designs seem to be unique. Not sure if these get rebranded as anything else, but suspect the country of origin will give them away if they do!

Orbis is part of Knipex, and seems to be their ‘industrial’ line. Some of the patterns are a little simpler, and the overall finish isn’t quite as good, but they seem to work o.k. (What you’d expect from an industrial tool). The Knipex don’t turn up as rebrands that often. Maybe only a couple of firms. Orbis however do. I’ve seen what are obviously Orbis tools with many names on.

 

[Monte]

3M Peltor ear muffs

 

[dkroth]

3M Peltor ear muffs

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[glasses97]

I found this when I was cleaning up my Dad's garage. Any idea what it is ? Thanks.

 

[cheechi]

NWS makes them for felo and many others

Makes sense, I thought it would be that way instead of the other.

I think I know the design you mean. Yes, pizza has it correct and NWS are the makers. NWS seem to supply a lot of pliers as rebrands. Maybe even more than under their own name.

Felo are basically a screwdriver maker. I suspect that anything Felo apart from screwdrivers and bits is rebranded, but if it’s made in Germany by a reputable company that’s not an issue.

Gedore pliers seem to be different. They are made in Austria rather then Germany, and the designs seem to be unique. Not sure if these get rebranded as anything else, but suspect the country of origin will give them away if they do!

Orbis is part of Knipex, and seems to be their ‘industrial’ line. Some of the patterns are a little simpler, and the overall finish isn’t quite as good, but they seem to work o.k. (What you’d expect from an industrial tool). The Knipex don’t turn up as rebrands that often. Maybe only a couple of firms. Orbis however do. I’ve seen what are obviously Orbis tools with many names on.

Now that you say it, it makes sense Orbis is a no-frills industrial arm of another brand. Is Witte also part of the same company? I got a Knipex set a few years back which included Witte drivers. I picked up a Wera set recently with a Knipex pliers included but it's pretty clear they are not the same company.

A few recent pickups



Knipex precision pliers set with tweezers (old Knipex style - Schmitz?) and Wera KK62 set (89mm bits)



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Pliers are as expected (excellent), but the case is really, really great. I reached out to Knipex to see if they sell the case separately, because I would keep all my precision pliers in these cases. Alas, they do not.



I picked up KK62 because I wanted a comprehensive portable set with all the weird ones and thought would be more useful than Wiha System 6 - break a bit and you can just buy a temporary replacement at any box store. (System 6 is great to keep in a rental house, because parts won't walk away ) I also wanted replace the bit handle with the new Turbo. Alas, Turbo is way too big to fit in the case. I was able to augment it with 89mm SQ1 and SQ2 Wera bits, and added a smaller 90mm slotted Wiha (Wera didn't have one).



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Speaking of Turbo, I ended up getting one, and it’s…interesting. Jury’s still out. The awkward thing about using it is you have to hold the bottom third of the handle and spin the top section. However, it is quite a speed improvement if you don’t need high torque.



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Latest KC Tool order: Wiha Ultradriver stubby, Felo ratcheting screwdriver, cheapie Wera hex keys, various bits. [pic fixed]


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I’m super impressed with Felo’s ratcheting screwdriver, especially for the price. It’s probably my second favorite, after PB Swiss, but more versatile. The mechanism is so low in backdrag that a slight touch on the bit retainer sleeve is sufficient to engage the ratchet. Felo’s handle sculpting is tops. It’s probably underpriced, too.

we have similar tastes. I got the 'big' Felo set with sockets and screwdriver bits included and I have been looking for more excuses to use it.

That KK turbo not fitting in the Wera cases (any of them) was also a pretty big disappointment to me. I got both and was hoping to put the VDE it in the kit with 2 handles and the Knipex pliers; was really going to be my main kit until it didn't fit all together.

I got both of these in the same shipment and thought the two would be comparable, but the K handle Felo is head and shoulders a much better tool in every category. The KK turbo is a nice thing to have, especially if you have a need for not over-torquing as the thing quits well before the going gets tough. I like that though once I got used to it. I will say I have found it easier to hold the handle and spin the collar, granted you have to spin it opposite the screw head but once you get past that hurdle the spinning mechanism seems to work better that way. And especially with longer bits (I keep a 12" Makita P2 in my bag for clearance) you get better stability holding the back of the handle than the front.

My biggest complaint with the KK Turbo is it feels like the gears need oil but there's no way I can tell how to get to them. Does yours feel that way?

I really don't want to buy the Wera velcro bag setup products, I want these kits to be inside/be a part of a bigger tool kit. I can fit 4 (or 3 and a multimeter) comfortably in a Flambeau ammo can/dry box, but I don't really want to carry them that way if I can help it as these won't be the only tools i need to bring and a dry box is nowhere near as nice as my Veto bags. They are just too big for the biggest pockets, and wind up using up all the 'big space' in the front.

update: a k handle kit is the tool of the day today
I bought the 64517, this is the version with pozi instead, but today's sale price is the same as the price i paid

 

[Qualitytools]

Glasses97, that is a tool used the seal canvas money bags with a twine and lead set. One Handel is used to pull the string tight around the bag and the other one is to squeeze the lead so it will not loosen and make a seal.

Usually used by a business when they send money to the bank and this ensures that the bag was not tempered with after it's sealed.

 

[JBH]

I got the 'big' Felo set with sockets and screwdriver bits included and I have been looking for more excuses to use it.

Ditto. Sometimes I’ll pick it up over PB Swiss, because the handle is better (for my hand) and the mechanism almost as good.

My biggest complaint with the KK Turbo is it feels like the gears need oil but there's no way I can tell how to get to them. Does yours feel that way?

It’s easy enough to get to them. The nose is just pressure fit. If you do oil it, let us know how it changes the feel!

 

[mr.lemons]

Looks like 'Haupa' may have ratchet screwdrivers from the same manufacturer as Felo? One for power bits and one for standard bits.

https://www.haupa.com/

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I have the Knipex version too.

I keep mine, together with the PB bit driver shown, in my work jacket. Smaller, lighter and cheaper than a multitool, but works better for what I do!

Nice. Perfect setup + pocket knife.

 

[cheechi]

It’s easy enough to get to them. The nose is just pressure fit. If you do oil it, let us know how it changes the feel!

I have an update. During lunch I took the non-VDE KKT apart just like you said it is just plastic pressed into plastic. The output gear comes out so I put some super lube on the gear and yes it is smoother.

I'm going to say pre lube 4/10 > post lube 6.5/10. Definitely not perfect; it still feels like a low-tooth-count ratchet handle would, but it does operate smoother. It will never be as smooth as say a bearing type or 80+ tooth ratchet type mechanism.

Since the VDE KKT has no output shaft but a 9mm receiver, it can't be pulled out the same way, but I did pry it apart (which has a thin 'hot glue esque' adhesive to it, not much thicker than plastic cling wrap) but there is no obvious access to the output gear like the non VDE.

side by side, the non VDE spins much smoother after the lube with getting stuck part way around like it used to and the VDE one still does without. I am a little disappointed I can't get the VDE one lubed which between the two that's the one I would choose if I could have only one.

 

[mr.lemons]

Hazet and Toptul spanners, Connex t-handle nut drivers, Polish Flux, plastic pry tools.

The 'standard' Toptul spanner on top appears to be well finished, but otherwise unremarkable. The lower is 'standard' series again, but has an offset box end. It's more offset than other combination spanners I have seen, similar to what I would expect from double offset spanners.

I also noticed that the offset box end stands out as fitting 10mm bolts very tightly, similar to Stahlwille. Not sure if this will be true for all spanners from this series or if this one is a fluke.

Compared to Stahlwille 14.

Bosch 10.8v driver. Used from Ebay. Tatty box but driver looks unused. Work has started giving us the newer model which I don't like as much as the older version, so I'm going to grab a couple while they are still available. New version doesn't seem to be as gentle on the lowest torque setting which is my main use.

For anyone who doesn't know, Bosch 10.8v and newer 12v batteries are identical, just different labels. 12v max/10.8v under load. 12v sounds better I guess.

10.8v

12v

Aliexpress, COB LED work light, Aneng multimeter and very cheap (will probably burn my house down) hot air station.

Three separate orders all delivered to the UK in 2-3 weeks.

Tried the hot air gun on a scrap board and it works ok.

Stripped a laptop I bought from Ebay for spares found this.

 

[Dave455]

I've seen the Knipex version, and it's a nice plier, but it's just a tad small for my use. A 180 would be perfect, but even a 160 would be better than 145.

I think then, that the Bahco is probably going to be your only option in that exact style. Try and have a look at some before you buy.

It might be worth having a look at the Knipex website, or one of their better distributors, and having a look at their full range. There’s an awful lot of choice. They offer those pliers with the oversize / comfort grips too, if you prefer.

 

[cheechi]

New version doesn't seem to be as gentle on the lowest torque setting which is my main use.

...

Stripped a laptop I bought from Ebay for spares found this.

that's almost enough thermal paste.

I used my Bosch driver like yours and found the same, but I also have an M12 brushless and most recently, the M12 Surge. Of the 3, the surge is by far the best for low torque/low speed. FWIW.

 

[Dave455]

Now that you say it, it makes sense Orbis is a no-frills industrial arm of another brand. Is Witte also part of the same company? I got a Knipex set a few years back which included Witte drivers. I picked up a Wera set recently with a Knipex pliers included but it's pretty clear they are not the same company.

No, unless there are some minor subsidiaries I don’t know about it’s just Knipex / Orbis, and all pliers. I’ve seen Orbis pliers with all sorts of brand names on though.

Witte is a different company, and I think still family owned. Witte mostly make screwdrivers, but a few other tools too. Again, they manufacture a lot of screwdrivers that are subsequently rebranded (Matco for example). They’re decent tools, and I suspect they do a good deal on the custom colours / brand name if you buy a reasonable quantity.

Wera are different again. They used to make all their tools in Germany, but they’re all outsourced, and have been for some time. In fairness, screwdrivers are made in the Czech Republic, and the Czechs can make decent stuff.

And don’t confuse either with Wiha (Willi Hahn) who are different yet again!

 

[Dave455]

Nice. Perfect setup + pocket knife.

Exactly!

The pocket knife is usually a Victorinox Pioneer.

Sometimes I switch the Knipex pliers for a pair of 6 inch combination pliers with plain steel handles, especially if I’m doing grimy work! I’ve got a small pair of Knipex Cobra’s now as well. So many choices!

I don’t know if it’s the economic situation or what, but it seems that I’m having to work on stuff everywhere I go.

If the Queen invited me to Buck house for some shindig I’d probably have to fix the lights or the plumbing before kick off..!

 

[rice rocket]

For anyone who doesn't know, Bosch 10.8v and newer 12v batteries are identical, just different labels. 12v max/10.8v under load. 12v sounds better I guess.

I love my 12v Bosch stuff. I guess lots of companies have moved away from batteries in the grip since it limits cell size, but the size and power/weight is fantastic.

 

[CGarage]

I love my new Bosch 12V impact driver and drill, too.

 

[GrantCee]

I think then, that the Bahco is probably going to be your only option in that exact style. Try and have a look at some before you buy.

It might be worth having a look at the Knipex website, or one of their better distributors, and having a look at their full range. There’s an awful lot of choice. They offer those pliers with the oversize / comfort grips too, if you prefer.

I've held the 0821145, and they're definitely just a touch smaller than I'd like. Unfortunately I'll probably end up buying the Bahco blind, as there's no place to look at them anywhere near where I live.

Speaking of websites: I prowl the better plier manufacturer's sites (Knipex, Stahlwille, Keiba, Fujiya, Merry, etc.) looking for models that fit my needs. It's not often I find something, which is why I got so excited about those Bahcos!

 

[Dave455]

I've held the 0821145, and they're definitely just a touch smaller than I'd like. Unfortunately I'll probably end up buying the Bahco blind, as there's no place to look at them anywhere near where I live.

Speaking of websites: I prowl the better plier manufacturer's sites (Knipex, Stahlwille, Keiba, Fujiya, Merry, etc.) looking for models that fit my needs. It's not often I find something, which is why I got so excited about those Bahcos!

I understand. If I see a pair I’ll take a photo. My local electrical supplier keeps Bahco pliers, among others, but I haven’t seen these yet.

The grips remind me of the old Lindstrom RX series. They are slightly different to the Bahco, but very similar.

Knipex I find consistently good, and they’re relatively inexpensive for me. Stahlwille / VBW I see around, but they have discontinued their models with chromed handles, the oversize ones I find too cumbersome, and the material they have replaced their ‘vinyl dipped’ grips is awful. Horrid to use and won’t clean.

Keiba are awesome, particularly their “high grade” models with the bronze bush in the hinge.

Have you tried Tsunoda? Their best grade are “King TTC”. I bought a pair of their cable cutters when I was on a job, and liked them more than any others. Used them a lot but still sharp. Tsunoda also offer some superb stainless steel pliers. King TTC long reach pliers shown.

Victor are pretty awesome. I think they are part of Fujiya now, but the fit and finish is like none other. I have an electrician friend who favours these over everything. I don’t own any myself so screenshot attached. You need to see these for real though.

Amazon.jp can be very reasonable price wise, but also very costly, if you know what I mean..!

 

[Monte]

noname magnetic tool holder

 

[Qualitytools]

noname magnetic tool holder

I like that holder! I have the same PREVOST air coupler also

 

[theamcguy]

noname magnetic tool holder

Man is that nice, where did you get it from, I need one for my lift.

 

[ricleh]

Looks like a knockoff of the Hazet 9070-10, or perhaps the maker produces it for Hazet also. They are slightly different though.

 

[Monte]

I like that holder! I have the same PREVOST air coupler also

Man is that nice, where did you get it from, I need one for my lift.

https://www.eairtool1.com/magnetic-impact-wrench-tool-holder-grip-67433/

 

[Private Lugnutz]

I picked this up at the flea market this morning. I have never seen this design before. If it's not broken, and I am understanding it correctly, it seems to be a gearless friction ratcheting wrench. That 12-point box end is captive, but free to spin. Turning the handle clockwise when it's on a fastener squeezes that hinged piece around the box end, grabbing. Turn counter-clockwise and it's released, free to spin, until you want another bite. I am assuming it came in multiple lengths with multiple 12-point service openings. Unless I am totally missing the point.

 

[dutchgray]

I picked this up at the flea market this morning. I have never seen this design before. If it's not broken, and I am understanding it correctly, it seems to be a gearless friction ratcheting wrench. That 12-point box end is captive, but free to spin. Turning the handle clockwise when it's on a fastener squeezes that hinged piece around the box end, grabbing. Turn counter-clockwise and it's released, free to spin, until you want another bite. I am assuming it came in multiple lengths with multiple 12-point service openings. Unless I am totally missing the point.

Your assumptions are correct.
I have two of them including one that is about 18" long with a large square opening in it.

 

[Private Lugnutz]

Your assumptions are correct. I have two of them including one that is about 18" long with a large square opening in it.

Thanks for confirming, dutchgray. It's a simple yet effective and nifty design.

Blackhawk made popular gearless, friction-based ratchets here in the US in the late 40's and 50's known as 'freewheeling', and I own an Allen Friction Wrench that precedes that design by a few decades. But these were made to turn detachable sockets. See pics below.

I like this Dowidat. I rarely run into vintage European tools in the wild, but I may have to try to hunt for more of these in the other sizes.

When were they made? It looks vintage 50's to me, but looks can be deceiving.

 

[davethorik]

Picked this up locally today for $80 to replace the Mitutoyo I smashed, oops.

Looks to be a slightly older Interapid .0005" 312-B2 test indicator in gently used condition. I really like these indicators, the Mitutoyo was a good unit but I am upgrading.

 

[pozidriv]

My crimping pliers collection Although I now realize I have some more, not pictured.
Aside from the USA AMP pliers and the unknown heavy indent crimper, all European made.
Pressmaster, Knipex, Facom, Weidmuller, Espa, Gedore, Klauke, Crimpex (=pressmaster?).

 

[Cynical huckster]

Izar HSS-G and HSS-Co drill bit sets made in Spain.

 

[Mr MoAiZo]

Dear All,

I am looking for quality fittings / quick-disconnect coupler for 1/2" air tools.
What are good ones that I can get in Europe.

I have seen 'Kawasaki' branded ones earlier in this thread, but cannot find them.

Kind regards,
Mathias