tools stil made in the usa
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Basskiller
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And still worth seeing....
american lockpicker
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If you want tools made in the USA(besides the obvious stuff) go to some tool stores that have high prices and old inventory and check labels you will be suprised at what you find. 
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With as much hate as this forum seems to have for Chinese goods, it is a wonder that you all even exist on the Internet. There are no computers that are built 100% in the U.S., yet you all surf the web every day with Chinese manufactured goods and don't complain about it.
As for the comment above, what difference does it make if the quality is there and there are people in the U.S. that are doing the design, assembly, and quality control? There are U.S. jobs being held, and the money is circulating in both the U.S. and world economy.
As for the comment above, what difference does it make if the quality is there and there are people in the U.S. that are doing the design, assembly, and quality control? There are U.S. jobs being held, and the money is circulating in both the U.S. and world economy.
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How do you compare a computer that is obsolete within 5 years to a quality tool that should last a lifetime?
The main issue with those slave labour jobs is the workers get paid pittance , the executives get paid more on a fatter product margin so in the USA the gap between rich and poor becomes wider.Those small number (in proportion to manufacturing jobs) of design jobs you mentioned don't really help the 800 billion/year trade deficit either.
If anyones interested there are still US made Computer cases , PSUs , HDDs , Keyboards , mouse pads out there if you look hard enough.Give me a yell if you want some links.
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DropZoneNET
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So it is perfectly acceptable to spend $200 plus on replacement computers/parts (which are made for change in China) regularly if needed, but purchasing China made tools that offer lifetime warranties is some how a problem?
I would venture to say that computer manufacturing is far less friendly to Chinese workers than the production of hand tools. Just read about the goings on at Foxconn (the worlds largest manufacturer of electronic components).
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I can't speak for others but i try and buy first world first but if all the options are made in china i just buy the cheapest (or secondhand).I don't like it when companies outsource to China but the price of the product remains the same and those fat cat executives get fatter paychecks.
With most computer components you don't really have a choice anymore , that said AMD still has a chip plant in Germany and some CPUs are also made in Malaysia so it's not all China stuff.
I've heard about Foxconn and all the suicides and it's a disgrace how much Apple charges for their products made at Foxconn but we're getting a little off topic now.
With most computer components you don't really have a choice anymore , that said AMD still has a chip plant in Germany and some CPUs are also made in Malaysia so it's not all China stuff.
I've heard about Foxconn and all the suicides and it's a disgrace how much Apple charges for their products made at Foxconn but we're getting a little off topic now.
4x4gearhead
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Good post, not too much i didnt know there but great resource for others
american lockpicker
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My first computer was made in Ireland, Dells are assembled in USA, and there are some that are made in Germany(I'm planning to get one.)
Great resource.
Going to have to book mark that site.I noticed Enderes wasn't on their list. At last check, they were still American made. They make screwdrivers, prybars, nippers, and crowbars.
The fast majority of Intel's CPU chips are fabricated in the good old USA. (some are made in Ireland and Israel but none in China).
kc-steve
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Catfish might also be referring to Innova computers, formerly known as IBM pc's.
However, Catfish you are making a false argument when you try and compare wages in China to wages in the USA. The main difference is the cost of living. Someone in China making one-tenth of what you make might actually have a better economic life than you do. The so-called "pittance" is irrelevant.
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However, Catfish you are making a false argument when you try and compare wages in China to wages in the USA. The main difference is the cost of living. Someone in China making one-tenth of what you make might actually have a better economic life than you do. The so-called "pittance" is irrelevant.
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Theloniousmonk
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cost to live in china is beginning to rise rapidly, the gov. is scrambling to control prices right now, and the forced drop in the US dollar is only going to make things worse for them... cool part is wages will be rising and are rising now in china, the benefit to outsource is starting to dwindle... plus w/ a cheaper dollar, US made goods become more affordable/attractive to the world. yes, prices rise in the US too, but a bit of inflation is a good thing, much better than deflation which we are on the verge of right now... rest assured, the new generation of chinese, coming into the working class now, are not going to put up w/ substandard wages and conditions, in much the same way American workers wouldn't put up w/ substandard wages and conditions during the 1st half of the last century... wanna know what is going to happen in china over the next 50 years? then look at what happened in the US 50 years ago.
kc-steve
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The problem with inflation during a recession is the Phillips Curve, in economics. That is what happened during the Carter years and was extremely difficult to break out of because of people's "expectations of the future." Once inflation takes hold it is difficult to break anyway, but then add recession to that and it becomes impossible to break when the normal control of recession is to print more money (increase money supply), therefore adding to the inflation problem. We've been through this before and it took Reagan and Greenspan to get us out of it. In fact the Fed chairman during the Carter years is one who is working with Obama right now. Not Bernanke, but Paul Volcker.
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Theloniousmonk
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we technically are not in a recession anymore...lol. I really wouldn't worry about a 3% targeted inflation rate vs. a 1.5-2% that we have now (negative in 2009)... especially when you look at the rates in the mid seventies to mid eighties avg'd 10-11% or so... BIG difference.
During this discussion, we have failed to also notice that not every manufacturing job has been lost to outsourcing, some have actually been lost to companies improving their workflow processes/efficiencies/productivity/automation/etc... basically a company "improving" itself.
During this discussion, we have failed to also notice that not every manufacturing job has been lost to outsourcing, some have actually been lost to companies improving their workflow processes/efficiencies/productivity/automation/etc... basically a company "improving" itself.
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kc-steve
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And by "official estimates" we don't have inflation either.
Believe what you wish.
Steve
Believe what you wish.
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My point was if they pay an American worker say $15/hour and sell the tool for say $40 , then move it to China and pay the worker $1.50/hour and still sell the tool for $40 theres a heck of a lot less money going toward wages and a lot more money going into the executives pockets.
But if the market price of a widget is $40 and costs can't ensure a positive ROI, then moving the production to where labor/infrastructure is less expensive might mean the manufacturer can survive.
Survival means return for the shareholders, tax revenues, jobs for other employees and responding to the need to stay competitve.
Ther average "joe six pack" consumer doesn't pay a premium price for COO and/or quality. The very few that do are greatly outnumbered.
The channel is very efficient and trying to meet demand. Demand is for lowest prices above all else.
bsaint
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Man the midwest is the center of manufacturing.
Theloniousmonk
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no kidding, probably 1/3 of the small businesses in my area are manufacturing or producing or packaging something that is shipped elsewhere...
Basskiller
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Go troll somewhere else. This thread is about tools made in USA. not computers or internet.
ToolmanGary
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X2 same here
Daddy_Rabbit
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says the guy posting this on the internet from his foreign-made computer.
irony anyone?
Busted Bolts
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The chineese prices will continue to go up, but during that time they will continue contributing making sub par products which some will buy, but ultimately continue to put the small US bussiness out of work, or reduce the work force. Americans are trying to save they're wealth by buying knock off goods so they can say they bought this and that, but the american worker is on unemployment because the company he/she worked for weren't getting the orders to support their job. Don't get me wrong, some of the overseas stuff isn't that bad, but if we bought more USA goods, maybe due to market demand the prices could be at a better level. It really is one big circle. It also starts with that same american Co to not have over seas manufacuring make their products with an american made price. Thats corporate greed.
Jeeper
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My first computer was made in Ireland, Dells are assembled in USA, and there are some that are made in Germany(I'm planning to get one.)
Not any more...at least very few are. I should know, I work for them.
Basskiller
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Irony?
More like a like of reading comprehension.
This is apost in the TOOL forum, with TOOL in the title and a link to TOOLS.
Computers are relevant to the discussion
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Irony?
More like a like of reading comprehension.
This is apost in the TOOL forum, with TOOL in the title and a link to TOOLS.
Computers are relevant to the discussion
i think you mean irrelevant, but yea i agree this is a tool forum,i dont give a fat babys *** about where computors are made,i didn't think anything electric was made in USA for many years now,from stereos to can openers its all from across the pond,i guess i'll go troll pc world,maybe they're talkin tools
They recently closed a desktop assembly plant located in Texas or one of those other southern states because more people want to buy laptops instead of the desktops now.
That was their excuse anyhow.Maybe less people are buying computers because the upgrades aren't as noticeable as they were 15 years ago? Not much difference between a dual core and a quad core unless you are using the most demanding software or running a server or something.
foolishpride
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Menards sells Masterforce tools, and many of those brand hand tools are USA made. The socket sets, screwdrivers, hex sockets, and individual sockets were all USA made. All of the Masterforce pliers were imported.
JohnFreeman
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"as for the comment above, what difference does it make..."
You mean besides the fact that one would be supporting further loss of American jobs, and the funding of a repressive regime who would like to crush us?
Besides that, and the fact that the quality is generally poor, then yes, it's a lovely idea to support purchases from China
You mean besides the fact that one would be supporting further loss of American jobs, and the funding of a repressive regime who would like to crush us?
Besides that, and the fact that the quality is generally poor, then yes, it's a lovely idea to support purchases from China
kc-steve
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Sounds like the beginning of a new business plan.
Go for it. That would help put the start of this thread to rest.
Steve
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not acceptable when we don't have a choice
world economy , does not help me