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It's all in the eye of the beholder. I'm quite selective in what I buy. Limited funds sees to that, :D but saying that, if money was unlimited, where would the enjoyment be? Being able to buy what you want when you want would remove all of the fun. But as to your question of anyone being in a similar predicament, the answer would be no. Enjoying buying tools, and restoring them when necessary, is exactly what it is. Whilst ever you enjoy it and can afford to do it, that's all that matters. If the enjoyment goes, or one's spending money which ought be spent on more important things, only then would that be the point where it's time to call it a day, IMHO.
 
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You coulda had class. You coulda been a contender. You coulda been somebody. Instead you got a one way ticket to palookaville.

This made me laugh out loud!

How could the word palookaville NOT make you laugh!
 

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I still have a couple of empty drawers in my tool boxes. I must not be done yet.
But I keep trying my hand at new things that have their own whole line of special tools.

Get some 'Junior Hacksaws'...... :)

(hint/suggestion if you're short of ideas)

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when is enough enough? i guess when you run out of room.
or maybe when yer spares/extras/doubles/tripples outnumber yer daily users.

all blackhawk. if something breaks i can "warrenty" it but guess what? i dont have to drive across town(like sears) or wait for a tool truck guy, or wait for a manufacture to mail me back a replacement part.
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I think the "show your new tools" thread gets me at least once a week. Sometimes it is just a tool I never new existed and it seems like it would make my life easier. Other times it is just a cool (read green) tool. Lastly it is a tool that I wish I had during a miserable job and now I am going to buy it because I don't ever want to be in that position again.

Bill, be careful, that it dangerous territory you are treading on, it is never a good idea to max out any credit just to buy something for the sake of buying it.
 

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I look at it in terms of how much money I am saving. Sure I may drop $500 on tools for a certain job, but if these tools keep me from having to pay a professional $2,000, then it's money in the bank, and then I still have the tools for future use.

BIL doesn't even own a pair of needle nose pliers. Can't figure that one out. I had to go over there to repair a light fixture for them and asked to borrow his needle nose pliers and was brought a set of regular pliers. So I just walked out to my car and opened the trunk and got the pair of needle nose pliers out of my trunk.
 

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I was even going to start another thread on it, but I can discuss it here.

We all know how this site encourages tool acquisition.

This can be a negative for some people.

For those with the means, it doesn't matter how many tools they buy.

But for some people, it is not good that they are encouraged by this site, to get more and more tools.

People like me especially.

The general attitude of the more tools the merrier, permeates the site, and can be a strong motivating force.
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Q. TOOLS - When is Enough, Enough?
A. When you don't need (as opposed to want) any more!

Many people are unable/unwilling to say enough is enough, until someone/something does it for them e.g. wife threathening to divorce, loss of income, loss of health or the dawning realisation that you don't have much time left to use the tools.

Many here have expressed concern about what wiil happen to their large tool collection after they're gone, maybe better not to have amassed so much.

Some say that at the end of one's life all you have is memories, maybe better to spend the money on creating memories, trips with loved-ones, shows taken-in, places visited, parties with friends, celebrations etc..

I've a slightly different viewpoint wrt continuously buying tools : Where I come from and how I was reared dictates that it's wrong to show how much you have whether it's tools or toys. It's seen as greed (= a sin) and inconsiderate/insensitive to those who don't have or can afford much in life. Here we try to include everyone in whatever is going on, not just the well-off. I will praise the guy who has scrimped and struggled to put together a small toolkit, all of which he uses, I will be scornful of those who can afford to spend vast sums on more tools than they can remember they have but use only a fraction. Maybe better for their soul if they had spent some of their money helping others instead of selfish indulgence.This is why I never post pictures of what I have (not as much as some of you guys.) And no, I'm not envious,because I've got enough.

End of rant,

Al.
 
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I was even going to start another thread on it, but I can discuss it here.

We all know how this site encourages tool acquisition.

This can be a negative for some people.

For those with the means, it doesn't matter how many tools they buy.

But for some people, it is not good that they are encouraged by this site, to get more and more tools.

People like me especially.

The general attitude of the more tools the merrier, permeates the site, and can be a strong motivating force.

I got caught up in various threads. The Vise thread, the Craftsman Block
Grinder thread, the Harbor Freight Coupon thread, The Lowe's and Home Depot threads, and all the Hot Deals.

I bought more of every type of item than I needed, new and used. I haunted CL. I became a regular at HD and Lowes and maxed out my and my wife's HD cards.

I never went anywhere near HF, without taking Julie with me and getting free items and 2 20% off items.

To what end?

Have any of you found yourselves in similar predicaments?

Now, I'm not saying it is all bad.

But now I am seeing that I went a little overboard.

I wanted to show off my latest buy.

I wanted the most vises, and the biggest ones.

And to be the king of block grinders.

I wanted to run with the big dogs.

I wanted to be somebody!

I try not to lose track of the fact that the reason I acquired the tools I have is I want the capability to do the kind of work I want, unhampered by the lack of appropriate tools. I do just a bit of collecting outside of that, and that's in mechanics tools, where I have a nostalgia set of Proto tools that only partly overlap with my users; many of my users are other makes, and duplicate the Proto. My mechanics tools are there to support maintaining my own vehicles; that's very cost effective for me to do, and has paid for the tools many times over. I have extensive machinist tools, and a lathe and mill, so I can build custom guns. Similarly I have top end woodworking tools, I like to do cabinetry and restore furniture, and have built two high end custom houses with custom woodwork throughout. The tools are there to support that level of quality work, not just for the pride of ownership.

I have seen a lot of interesting attitudes towards acquisition and arranging and storing tools here; not just among the collectors but among others that are less of collectors and more towards the user spectrum. The attitude is that acquiring and possessing the tool is the primary function, not using it. Beautifully maintained toolboxes, with organizers, and everything clean and in exactly the right place. I've seen the same thing in retired guys that want to do woodworking. They retire, buy a table saw, build a bunch of jigs for it, buy a jointer, make jigs for it, buy a router, buy a router table, buy an incra jig, make fancy boxes to put the jigs in that they made for the other tools. Eventually they die, never having made a cabinet or piece of furniture. The acquisition of the tools was the primary hobby, not woodworking.

I went out to my garage today, and took an engine off the stand, and re-assembled it to the transmission preparatory to putting it under the car and re-installing. I didn't open up my Performax Menards tool box and admire the organization of the tools inside, nor did I admire the box itself. I did enjoy using the quality tools that did the job they needed to.

The most extreme attitude I saw today was someone that was angry that a yard sale seller wouldn't sell him 4 SK sockets for $.25 each, but instead was asking $1. And several other posters that agreed, and had a similar attitude. REALLY??? A complete set of sockets to do most of what a person really needs done is about 12 sockets. Double that number if you want deep and shallow both. That's about all a person really needs. If you had to give $1 apiece for them, you'd be out $24. If you bought new, and high quality, you'd be out about $60 minimum, and $150 maximum for the set. This should be a once in a lifetime investment for most people. Is this make or break, get angry scale of problem? No, it's some kind of obsessive or aberrant behavior!

Too much tools becomes when they don't serve the purpose you acquired them for. If you acquire them to do work, when you have more than support your work including needed spares, you have too many. If you collect them, the limit is your ability to sort, restore, clean, and display them. Get beyond that, and keep acquiring more and you're into too many territory. If you're acquiring them only for the thrill of acquisition, and not collecting or using them, that's hoarding behavior. Particularly if the time and money expended starts deteriorating the rest of your life behaviors!
 

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Q. TOOLS - When is Enough, Enough?
A. When you don't need (as opposed to want) any more!

Many people are unable/unwilling to say enough is enough, until someone/something does it for them e.g. wife threathening to divorce, ........

Al.

Careful, to some, it's a goal..........
 

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When the wife quits buying clothes, I'll quit buying tools.

Yes sir... my wife loves "hell bunny" and " trashy diva" dresses.. she looks damn good, but still. If I need a tool, I buy the tool to save me money and time and then I have the tool.
 
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I try not to lose track of the fact that the reason I acquired the tools I have is I want the capability to do the kind of work I want, unhampered by the lack of appropriate tools. I do just a bit of collecting outside of that, and that's in mechanics tools, where I have a nostalgia set of Proto tools that only partly overlap with my users; many of my users are other makes, and duplicate the Proto. My mechanics tools are there to support maintaining my own vehicles; that's very cost effective for me to do, and has paid for the tools many times over. I have extensive machinist tools, and a lathe and mill, so I can build custom guns. Similarly I have top end woodworking tools, I like to do cabinetry and restore furniture, and have built two high end custom houses with custom woodwork throughout. The tools are there to support that level of quality work, not just for the pride of ownership.

I have seen a lot of interesting attitudes towards acquisition and arranging and storing tools here; not just among the collectors but among others that are less of collectors and more towards the user spectrum. The attitude is that acquiring and possessing the tool is the primary function, not using it. Beautifully maintained toolboxes, with organizers, and everything clean and in exactly the right place. I've seen the same thing in retired guys that want to do woodworking. They retire, buy a table saw, build a bunch of jigs for it, buy a jointer, make jigs for it, buy a router, buy a router table, buy an incra jig, make fancy boxes to put the jigs in that they made for the other tools. Eventually they die, never having made a cabinet or piece of furniture. The acquisition of the tools was the primary hobby, not woodworking.

I went out to my garage today, and took an engine off the stand, and re-assembled it to the transmission preparatory to putting it under the car and re-installing. I didn't open up my Performax Menards tool box and admire the organization of the tools inside, nor did I admire the box itself. I did enjoy using the quality tools that did the job they needed to.

The most extreme attitude I saw today was someone that was angry that a yard sale seller wouldn't sell him 4 SK sockets for $.25 each, but instead was asking $1. And several other posters that agreed, and had a similar attitude. REALLY??? A complete set of sockets to do most of what a person really needs done is about 12 sockets. Double that number if you want deep and shallow both. That's about all a person really needs. If you had to give $1 apiece for them, you'd be out $24. If you bought new, and high quality, you'd be out about $60 minimum, and $150 maximum for the set. This should be a once in a lifetime investment for most people. Is this make or break, get angry scale of problem? No, it's some kind of obsessive or aberrant behavior!

Too much tools becomes when they don't serve the purpose you acquired them for. If you acquire them to do work, when you have more than support your work including needed spares, you have too many. If you collect them, the limit is your ability to sort, restore, clean, and display them. Get beyond that, and keep acquiring more and you're into too many territory. If you're acquiring them only for the thrill of acquisition, and not collecting or using them, that's hoarding behavior. Particularly if the time and money expended starts deteriorating the rest of your life behaviors!

I like the way you think.

I'm still in the obsessive and aberrant category.

When I was young, I wanted a good camera. I knew a guy who collected Nikons, and set them on a shelf. I hated the fact that they sat there unused, when I could have used one. Yet now, most all my tools sit, as yet unused.

Bill
 

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Careful, to some, it's a goal..........

Lol

Maybe I should have said wife threathening to poison you

or wife threathening to put all your tools in a dumpster while you're at work

or wife threathening to give all your tools to the next scrapper she sees locally

or wife threathens to leave garage door open with a sign outside saying 'free tools, help yourself'

:):):)

Al.
 

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Lol

Maybe I should have said wife threathening to poison you[/B

or wife threathening to put all your tools in a dumpster while you're at work

or wife threathening to give all your tools to the next scrapper she sees locally

or wife threathens to leave garage door open with a sign outside saying 'free tools, help yourself'

:):):)

Al.


Now ya got my attention.........but she doesn't know the alarm code........
 
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Lol

Maybe I should have said wife threathening to poison you

or wife threathening to put all your tools in a dumpster while you're at work

or wife threathening to give all your tools to the next scrapper she sees locally

or wife threathens to leave garage door open with a sign outside saying 'free tools, help yourself'

:):):)


Al.

You just gave 10,000 guys a small heart attack at the mere thought of some of these things...
 

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It's all in the eye of the beholder. I'm quite selective in what I buy. Limited funds sees to that, :D but saying that, if money was unlimited, where would the enjoyment be? Being able to buy what you want when you want would remove all of the fun. But as to your question of anyone being in a similar predicament, the answer would be no. Enjoying buying tools, and restoring them when necessary, is exactly what it is. Whilst ever you enjoy it and can afford to do it, that's all that matters. If the enjoyment goes, or one's spending money which ought be spent on more important things, only then would that be the point where it's time to call it a day, IMHO.

agreed :thumbup:

for some it's about the "thrill of the chase" hunting, scrounging for a vintage tool or toolbox, getting a "you ****" deal
for others having 937 screwdrivers all perfectly laid out and aligned in a brand new shiney toolbox.
some are collectors, some are users and abusers
some are just getting started, may be young mechanics or DIY guys,
others (like myself) have been wrenching for years, and have out of nesssity amassed huge collections.

altho i spend my days wrenching, i still "enjoy" doing what i'm good at on my own terms, at home

:beer:
 
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Now ya got my attention.........but she doesn't know the alarm code........

:D A man with the same thinking as I. :D Combine that with the fact that the only way mine'll ever get the workshop keys is out of my cold, dead hand, I think any tool sale is a nonexistent worry within my lifetime. :D
 

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Lol

Maybe I should have said wife threathening to poison you

or wife threathening to put all your tools in a dumpster while you're at work

or wife threathening to give all your tools to the next scrapper she sees locally

or wife threathens to leave garage door open with a sign outside saying 'free tools, help yourself'

:):):)

Al.

or wife is withholding ***.:lol:
its been 25 years now but i'm like Al Bundy.
life *****, but i am the king of my **** castle:rocker:
 

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My goal for my tools is to be able to have enough of them to perform automotive, woodworking, carpentry and around the house jobs. Obviously I won't be able to do everything but i want to do the majority of it. I want a big toolbox, some storage lockers, a cool workplace/station, more powertools, more wrenches, and the list can and will keep growing haha.
 

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yes! you remember and get it:beer:
Als dad had a furguson and he wanted one of his own because he knew it was the best:rocker:

to bring it back to tools & stuff, some (most) of us are here because our dads were/are gearheads/mechanics/machinists/wrench turners.
 

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I would say you've hit the wall when you are buying three phase power tools and years later you have never set them up or installed the power to them. That's when you have thousands ******* in dead money just taking up space.

I have dead money ******* in project cars instead of mills and vises, so yes, I am a total hypocrite.
 
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I would say you've hit the wall when you are buying three phase power tools and years later you have never set them up or installed the power to them. That's when you have thousands ******* in dead money just taking up space.

I have dead money ******* in project cars instead of mills and vises, so yes, I am a total hypocrite.

Don't worry.

Many of us talk a different game than we walk.

But I'm working on getting real.
 
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I would say you've hit the wall when you are buying three phase power tools and years later you have never set them up or installed the power to them. That's when you have thousands ******* in dead money just taking up space.

I have dead money ******* in project cars instead of mills and vises, so yes, I am a total hypocrite.

Never heard that phrase before. Very descriptive. Makes it sound like a real shame it isn't doing something more useful.

I sometimes (All the time)wonder if not just my time and energy resources, but also financial resources could be prioritized better......much better...Ya think?
 

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I sometimes (All the time)wonder if not just my time and energy resources, but also financial resources could be prioritized better......much better...Ya think?

You aren't ******* the money away up the wall so you have something to show for it, the wife knows where you are when you're in the shed/workshop, and if you gain enjoyment from collecting the stuff, why worry. Unless you're ramping up debt or using money needed elsewhere on your tool collecting, there are far worse things you could be doing with your life and money.
 

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It's a tough question. For me I like to be able to do as much as I can myself and always trying to learn more. Weather it be fixing our cars, construction around the house, woodworking, metal fab/welding, etc. Between coming up with a ton of projects of my own I'm always helping others with car repair or home remodeling or whatever. I've always had the mind set that if I can do the job myself and buy some new tools and do it cheaper then hiring it out then I will buy the tools and do it myself since I will have the tools for next time.

There is always a new tool that I could use. There are so many specialty tools for auto repair it's crazy. They are always changing stuff so you have to buy a new tool to work on your cars. Or take it somewhere. I try to do everything myself so always buying new tools. But it is almost always cheaper then paying someone else to fix my stuff. I probably have more tools then a lot of techs that actually make money with there tools but they have paid for themselves and earned their keep and are "free" to use next time. The problem is for the next repair I end up buying additional tools to make the job easier.

Then for those of us that stick our feet into a little of everything, auto repair, remodeling, woodworking, welding, etc. we have to buy tools for all this stuff. It just never ends. Everytime I'm at the store or looking online I find a tool I "need" to do a project.

For me "enough is enough" will be when I don't feel like doing the jobs anymore. If one day I wake up and say I don't feel like fixing the car I will stop buying tools to do that and probably sell what I have. Or if I wake up and decide I don't feel like working on the house anymore then I won't buy anymore tools for that. Until then I will keep buying the tools I need to do the jobs. People come over and see my garage and can't believe the amount of tools in there. And most don't even get to see half of them.
 

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I still have a couple of empty drawers in my tool boxes. I must not be done yet.
But I keep trying my hand at new things that have their own whole line of special tools.

Same thing here. We decided to add some shelves/doors/drawers to our custom closet so now I have a few tools for dealing with melamine veneer and Blum hinges and things.

And, don't get me started on the ever expanding clamp collection/selection. Just ordered 3 pair of these....
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I don't "collect" tools, I only buy tools that will be used. I have no use for multiples of the same tool and I don't buy tools just because I like the way they look. I have enough tools when I can complete my work without having to stop and go buy a tool.
 

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I appreciate fine tools, that being said I don't buy tools just because I see something I think is neat. You can see my box in my sig. and it's full. I haven't needed to stop what I'm doing to go buy a tool in a very long time so I'm thinking I don't need any more tools. After all it isn't the tool, it's what you do with it. I'd rather put the money in whatever project I'm working on than more tools that I don't need.
 

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I appreciate fine tools, that being said I don't buy tools just because I see something I think is neat. You can see my box in my sig. and it's full. I haven't needed to stop what I'm doing to go buy a tool in a very long time so I'm thinking I don't need any more tools. After all it isn't the tool, it's what you do with it. I'd rather put the money in whatever project I'm working on than more tools that I don't need.
well, i was a "good boy" I was ready to buy the kinepx 8" dykes for $22.00 @ sears, but l have a 8" pair up here, and a 10" pair down in my main box,
so i was like what, do you need one for the bathroom next?.....LOL
so i surprised myself and closed the Sears check out page. LOL




Those are cool!

I though so too, I gave $80.00 for it, but he had had the machinist at work put new sleeve bearings in it, and had it all painted, and good to go.
although the motor pulley he used is totally incorrect, its only 3 sheeve, and should be 4, and its is a 4L pulley, should be 3L.
I will get some pictures of it, I keep promising and threatening to post them.

On a side note, those 3L step pullies are hard to find.
 

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I appreciate fine tools, that being said I don't buy tools just because I see something I think is neat.

Same here. I also don't use tools enough to buy "professional" grade. I even have a few HF pliers (long needle nose, small hose)

I have very few duplicates. I do have my original 12 point SAE and Metric Craftsman combination wrenches from the 70s-80s and a smaller SAE 6 point set I picked up in the 90s. I about 6 "locking" pliers (various sizes and brands; the older Vice-Grips are the best !) and 3 different size "arc joint" pliers.

I have some duplicates in side cutters and needle nose, but I keep a separate set with my computer tools (including Wiha precision screw drivers).

If I have a real need and I see the "right" tool, I'll buy it. Good thing I have no space for stationary power tools !

I also still have my set of distributor wrenches and all of the tools for doing drum brakes.
 

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Great thread. I'm a functionalist, though I have been a hoarder in the past and had to learn the hard way. I bought a house last year with an attached 2 car. For about three years prior, I stored my tools in a 10x10 storage unit. In order to fit everything into it, I sold my toolboxes and nearly all my shop tools. A scumbag stole nearly all my power tools right before I moved, so between that and all the shop and yard equipment I no longer have, I've been rebuilding over the last several months. New toolbox, some woodworking tools, etc. sometimes I get swept up in GJ thinking and I constantly seem to be checking off some sort of mental list to get back all the tools from when I was an auto tech, or an electrician, or a plumber, but realistically, I won't need 60% of the tools I used for those trades in the future. A Rigid power auger or pipe threader? A Wirsbo Pex expander tool? When am I going to use those again? I mean, really? I somehow lost my Snap On 36" 3/8" extension and was trying to find a deal on one recently, but... I no longer work as a flat rate auto tech and I don't have lift, so why the heck would I need one of those? There definitely occasional use tools that I have or want that are a incredibly useful to have for 5% of situations and are uncommon enough that you might not have a place to borrow them or even buy them when you need them. Those tools may be sensible or necessary to keep. I'd wager a guess though, that the amount of hand tools that we really can make use of as a non pro user would easily fit in a double bank rollaway, and all but the most gifted and prolific home woodworkers/machinists only use about half of what they what they have in shop tools.


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One of the best mechanics I've ever known worked at a ford dealership on flat rate and usually turned in the most hours at the end of the week. His tool box consisted of a large footlocker that he would have someone help him dump out on a workbench at the beginning of his shift and at the end of his shift he would thro all his tools back into the footlocker. He obviously had all the tools he needed.
 
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