Toptul?
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OctaneMotorsports
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Wow...it actually looks like pretty good ****.
wantedabiggergarage
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I've heard of them, via ebay, when I was looking at some Armstrong stuff. I believe they are eastern block manufacturer, and I don't know anything about what they are in the way of quality.
ba614
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the website says quote
TOPTUL wrench is well-manufactured in Taiwan and sources chrome vanadium steel from the Top 10 world-famous steel manufacture company, China Steel, to assure top quality of TOPTUL TOOL
they do look like top of the line German tools ...
TOPTUL wrench is well-manufactured in Taiwan and sources chrome vanadium steel from the Top 10 world-famous steel manufacture company, China Steel, to assure top quality of TOPTUL TOOL
they do look like top of the line German tools ...
OctaneMotorsports
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"TOPTUL quality of tools is second to none, and is backed by a full lifetime warranty. Tools are guaranteed to exceed ANSI standards by 150%, and their combination wrenches exceed ANSI standards by over 200% on average beating out S&K(14 of 16 times) and Snap-On (13 of 16 times) in a torque comparison of combination wrenches. Toptul is not just about toughness. Their tools were developed with technology in mind and offer slimmer heads and ring ends than most professional tool brands which allow you to get in those hard to reach places. They also have numerous patents for their flank drive design which keeps your from stripping bolts and nuts, their dynamic wrench which has an open-end that acts like a closed end, and their reversible gear wrenches which have been claimed to be the best money can buy."
Pretty impressive for a tool company that I've never heard of ... sure would be nice to know where all the tools come from ..
l_bilyk
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Looks like your regular taiwant tools... probably not any better than stanley
Actually I bet stanley stuff is much better
Actually I bet stanley stuff is much better
Stanley stuff is Taiwan ... actually the stuff coming out of Taiwan is getting better; just wait another 5~10 years and when they are the only game in town making tools ...l_bilyk said:
OctaneMotorsports
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This is why I'm building my tool collection NOW and getting all the USA made tools I can while they still exist or don't cost $1000 for a socket.ImportTuner said:Stanley stuff is Taiwan ... actually the stuff coming out of Taiwan is getting better; just wait another 5~10 years and when they are the only game in town making tools ...
eschoendorff
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How can Toptul have a patent on "flank drive?" Anyway, I'd like to see some of their stuff in person.
OctaneMotorsports
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Yeah, that made me wonder too...especially since they didn't even make up their own name for it and just straight up used flank drive, hahaha.eschoendorff said:
I'm gonna bid on a couple of things on ebay... depending on what they go for I'll give em a whirl and beat on them. Maybe I'll break something and test out that lifetime warranty. I mean.. someones gotta do the research right?
Thanks for volunteering. Your contribution to the cause will be long remembered.justinmc said:I'm gonna bid on a couple of things on ebay... depending on what they go for I'll give em a whirl and beat on them. Maybe I'll break something and test out that lifetime warranty. I mean.. someones gotta do the research right?
martell06
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yeah they sell pretty cheap on ebay.
chevy302dz
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I have some 3/8 sockets from them, the only reason I bothered was to get a 3/8 drive 9 and 11/32 sockets. They look like typical Taiwan tools no better no worse.
You guys that are knocking the Taiwanese made stuff, let me let you in on a little secret. Some of the BEST electronic components made right now comes off that little island. No reason why they can't transfer that same quality policy to anything else they decide to manufacture.
This ain't your Dad's Taiwan.
This ain't your Dad's Taiwan.
chevy302dz
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wilbilt said:Well, in a way it is...because all the stuff he designed and worked on is now over there.
What's sad is how true that actually is.
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I asked my snap on dealer about these and he told me flat out he finds it hard to believe. Now obviously, he is a snap on dealer, but I can definetly say that snap on open ended wrenches have the least amount of spread out of everybrand I have used... Proto, SK, Matco, MAC, Armstrong, Craftsman etc. Id be interested to see how these toptul wrenches compare, but im sure as hell not going to buy them.
Whether a snap on wrench is worth 40$?... well thats an entirely different story haha
Jim
Whether a snap on wrench is worth 40$?... well thats an entirely different story haha
Jim
eschoendorff
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Nope. Beta supplies Ferrari. I have seen pictures from inside the factory and Beta tool are clearly being used.wilbilt said:One of the eBay sellers claims Toptul is the supplier for the Ferrari Formula 1 team.
I dunno
Deafautotech
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it is europe tools. i cant buy any europe tools from ebay because i use all my tools and have it replacement if it is worn out or break it..... i need fast replacement or i would break other more tools....
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Does somebody have a 3/4 or 19mm deep Toptul socket in 1/2 drive? Preferably chrome. Give me a week and Ill let you know how they hold up... Id trade for a fairly new Husky equivalent.
Jim
Jim
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I have a significant amount of Toptul tools; long reach wrenches, stubby wrenches, deep sockets, screwdrivers, and a torque wrench. It's all excellent stuff. As a matter of fact, despite having Kobalt/Snap-On wrenches--I reach for the Toptul ones first. They are at least equal to the Kobalt/Snap-ons.
My only complaint it trying to get anything from them in the USA. Their USA available selection is limited compared to the European selection.
I have a 19mm deep. There is no way I'd trade for a Husky socket.
My only complaint it trying to get anything from them in the USA. Their USA available selection is limited compared to the European selection.
I have a 19mm deep. There is no way I'd trade for a Husky socket.
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redvalkyrie said:I have a significant amount of Toptul tools; long reach wrenches, stubby wrenches, deep sockets, screwdrivers, and a torque wrench. It's all excellent stuff. As a matter of fact, despite having Kobalt/Snap-On wrenches--I reach for the Toptul ones first. They are at least equal to the Kobalt/Snap-ons.
My only complaint it trying to get anything from them in the USA. Their USA available selection is limited compared to the European selection.
I have a 19mm deep. There is no way I'd trade for a Husky socket.
Husky sockets are pretty good for being so cheap. Ive laid a beating on alot of thier shallow 3/8's at school with an impact and have only broken two, both with a reducer on a 1/2 gun
Jim
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kartracer55 said:
I have Husky sockets--the USA made ones from awhile back. I like them quite a bit. I just wouldn't trade my Toptul 19mm for one.
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if anyone would like to try out these tools, just PM me and i'll give you a coupon for 50% off. our inventory is small in the US, but we've been in talks with fastenal. so, hopefully that'll change things.
l_bilyk
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-lecroix- said:You guys that are knocking the Taiwanese made stuff, let me let you in on a little secret. Some of the BEST electronic components made right now comes off that little island. No reason why they can't transfer that same quality policy to anything else they decide to manufacture.
This ain't your Dad's Taiwan.
Indeed.. my miter saw (bosch) and planer (dewalt) both came out of taiwan. Fit an finish are superb. My US made porter cable and milwaukee tools are not as good.
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Toptul said:
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Toptul said:if anyone would like to try out these tools, just PM me and i'll give you a coupon for 50% off. our inventory is small in the US, but we've been in talks with fastenal. so, hopefully that'll change things.
I have seriously been looking at your tools as legitimate professional tools and not typical imported junk. I have a few questions though. Now of course, you are here to sell and promote your tools. I understand and respect that. But, do you have any information on how much the open ends of your wrenches deflect compared to snap on? Of all the modern brands out there, Snap On wrenches clearley deflect the least, and if you do this professionally, this is a big plus. How do these compare? I see the breaking strength on the snap on was a little bit higher.
And would it be possible to buy a 19 and 21mm deep chrome socket? Or a 13 and 17mm impact swivel in 3/8? Id be interested in purchasing a few of my most broken tools from you to see how the compare, but Id rather not invest in a a full set of anything because of warranty issues.
Either way, this test is a bit BS. The 47kg-m breaking strength on the 17mm snap on is over 300ftlbs. (47.5 *2.2)= 104.5lb/m *3.28 = 342ftlbs of torque. The Toptul handles 399 aparantly...
Is ANYBODY? going to apply 340ftlbs to an m10 fastener????? That is why I need some data on jaw spread. And most importantly, how well thier chrome sockets and impact swivels hold up compared to snap on. I have never broken a wrench, not even a cheap one. I HAVE broken plenty of sockets.
Jim
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Toptul said:if anyone would like to try out these tools, just PM me and i'll give you a coupon for 50% off. our inventory is small in the US, but we've been in talks with fastenal. so, hopefully that'll change things.
Hey guys, you gotta respect that sort of offer. He comes here and offers that large of discount just to have us try his stuff out.
Can't say any of the OTHER tooling guys have made me that sort of offer. Can you?
PM sent Toptul. Thank you for the offer, I'll definitely consider your product before I make my next purchase.
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kartracer55 said:
Jim, I agree that open-end deflection is a huge issue, and that the testing done was a bit over the top.
Of course, none of us were actually there when these tests were conducted, but the photo posted does give us some clues. On the open ends of the wrenches pictured, it is clear where the cheaters were applied to generate the torque required to bend/break these wrenches. If you look at the Snap-On sample, it appears that there is considerable jaw spread when compared with the other wrench. I say "appears", because I am looking at a photo and obviously can't put a mic on it to check.
It also appears that the Snap-On broke on the opposite side of the box end than what I would expect, judging by how the wrench is bowed. It does look like cheaters were applied in both directions, though.
The TopTul wrench bent without breaking. Is this preferable? Hard to say. I have broken wrenches, and it is usually painful when it happens.
I would be willing to give them a try, as the overall fit and finish looks to be top notch. I am by no means a fan of offshore production for literally hundreds of reasons...but I suspect the day is near when there will be no alternative.
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im not going to get into the "vs snapon" debate. mainly because people become really defensive because of the price of their product. i usually say, if we're 90-95% as good as snap-on, im happy. the retail of the wrenches in the test are ~$17 vs $42. i'll be happy to say that the snap-on wrench is better, but i know ours is by far a better value.
the ferrari thing on ebay is an issue. toptul is the oem supplier for a few large companies in europe, mainly facom. they were the supplier for ferrari, but now beta is. so, ferrari used to use our tools, but do not anymore.
the torque test was done by beta and their machine. i dont know the name of the machine, i just know it was around 40k and there were no "cheater" bars involved. the machine was built just for testing hand tools and came with interchangeable bits from 4mm up to 65mm. i know people usually dont break wrenches but the picture was just to show you the strength of our product.
id like to say that snap-on has actually been to the toptul factory along with mac, crescent, etc.. to discuss tool production. as some of you know, snap-on tools are mostly made in the usa for american sales, but in europe, etc...they are looking for options. taiwan makes some junky tools, i know, but our products are top quality. america makes cheese in a can, but we also make F/A-18C Hornets. so, dont judge taiwan by the worse product, but by their best.
lastly, i know people are really gung-ho on buying america. i admit i am on certain items when possible. i dont mind paying 18 bucks for a t-shirt made in the usa or when i bought my mountain bike, i paid out the nose for a "marin" whos frame is handmade in northern california. i will say that my dad works in a steel mill(lukens steel which is now mittal) and its not a pretty thing. he worked there for 20 years before i actually set foot into the buildings and it depressed me. im hopefully overreacting, but i thought - 20 years in this place and its bound to cause cancer. i know tooling factories are a bit cleaner. but, im just saying this because some things, i dont mind being done by other countries. i used to live in greenville,sc and people cried when the $8/hr sock making factory closed down, but now people are better off working at the bmw plant making 22-30/hr.
the ferrari thing on ebay is an issue. toptul is the oem supplier for a few large companies in europe, mainly facom. they were the supplier for ferrari, but now beta is. so, ferrari used to use our tools, but do not anymore.
the torque test was done by beta and their machine. i dont know the name of the machine, i just know it was around 40k and there were no "cheater" bars involved. the machine was built just for testing hand tools and came with interchangeable bits from 4mm up to 65mm. i know people usually dont break wrenches but the picture was just to show you the strength of our product.
id like to say that snap-on has actually been to the toptul factory along with mac, crescent, etc.. to discuss tool production. as some of you know, snap-on tools are mostly made in the usa for american sales, but in europe, etc...they are looking for options. taiwan makes some junky tools, i know, but our products are top quality. america makes cheese in a can, but we also make F/A-18C Hornets. so, dont judge taiwan by the worse product, but by their best.
lastly, i know people are really gung-ho on buying america. i admit i am on certain items when possible. i dont mind paying 18 bucks for a t-shirt made in the usa or when i bought my mountain bike, i paid out the nose for a "marin" whos frame is handmade in northern california. i will say that my dad works in a steel mill(lukens steel which is now mittal) and its not a pretty thing. he worked there for 20 years before i actually set foot into the buildings and it depressed me. im hopefully overreacting, but i thought - 20 years in this place and its bound to cause cancer. i know tooling factories are a bit cleaner. but, im just saying this because some things, i dont mind being done by other countries. i used to live in greenville,sc and people cried when the $8/hr sock making factory closed down, but now people are better off working at the bmw plant making 22-30/hr.
ba614
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I pm'ed you ... waiting on reply ... don't do the ebay thing ... will buy outright .... but where?
Just placed an order for 10-PC Midget Combo Wrench Set; will write review after I receive/inspect/test the tools ...
eschoendorff
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Toptul said:
Gee, you make a good point. Several actually.
ron in sc
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Their tools look nice and I think are worth a try. I've found several items that I'd like to get but they are not available thru the USA website. They do appear on the main website.
Toptul said:
My reference to "cheaters" stems from the marks seen on the jaws. These are typical of using a second wrench to increase leverage. I don't know about the fixtures of the testing machine used. Perhaps these marks are the result of the normal operating procedure for this machine.
At any rate, it appears that the torque applied was far in excess of what would normally be encountered when used by a human....but such is the nature of destructive testing.
