Tractor company tools really made by Snap on?

[paramudduck]

OK It's dumb question time.

I keep seeing this mentioned in different places. So are the John Deere, New Holland, Case etc. tools really made by Snap on?

Or where there just certain sets rebranded Snap on?

Or is it all hype to sell the tools?

 

[Rigmaster]

who says they're made by snap on?


I think it's kinda like the old Kobalt (Lowes tools) ads that said they were made by the same company that made Snap On tools. Not necessarily the same as Snap On.

 

[krusty the clown]

i haven't seen one in person so i can't say for sure but i thought they were willams.

 

[paramudduck]

I have seen this mentioned in several forums and also by numerous sellers so I was curious.

Ran across this thread after I asked the question.
http://www.garagejournal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=8846

No real resolution there.

It was actually a random question on a rainy day.

 

[Rigmaster]

Well, it looks/sounds like they are made by Williams, who makes Snap On. BUT- that's alot different than saying they are re-branded Snap On tools. I'd be willing to bet that the wrenches in that other thread (New Holland branded) were marketed by Williams, but I think if they are re-branded anything, it's probably Blue Point. And the fact that they are not marked with country of origin makes me question the sellers statement that they are USA made. If you look at SO's website, many of the Blue Point hand tools are now made overseas- whereas they used to be mostly made in USA, maybe 8-10 years ago.

Seems like lots of tool sellers, especially on Ebay, try their best to tie their tool sales in with Snap On, no matter how strong the connection really is. Let's face it, the Snap On name is well respected and will likely increase the $$$ that a tool sells for, if the buyer buys into the fact that the tool they are buying is somehow connected to Snap On.


Until someone comes out of the woodwork from Snap On, I don't think you're gonna get a crystal clear answer to your question.

 

[64merc]

Hmm, that's news to me. I did some real quick research on the net regarding New Holland tools, and that stuff reminds me of the imported Williams line, plus a little bit of Bahco and Blue-Point thrown in. As previously stated, I think that they say made by Snap-on, but they really mean made by a subsidiary of SO.

 

[paramudduck]

The screwdrivers I saw where exact images of my Williams Taiwan style.

Even if they are a affiliate rebrand it would seem they are better quality then you would expect. Might be one to keep an eye out for sells on?

 

[paramudduck]

OK just because tool pics are nice.
Not mine just pics I've found while looking.

 

[fatfillup]

I asked a friend who works for the local John Deere dealer (25+years) about John Deere wrenchs and he thought they were made by Bonney at one time.

 

[krusty the clown]

I asked a friend who works for the local John Deere dealer (25+years) about John Deere wrenchs and he thought they were made by Bonney at one time.

absolutely

 

[krusty the clown]

para, in your pics it looks like a williams ratcheting screwdriver, and the marking on the metric combo's looks like snap on's style of lettering. but the rest looks like the run of the mill asian offerings.

 

[paramudduck]

Krusty Those metric combos are the ones that really have me curious. Williams sourced? or Blue points maybe?

I think most of the old ones were Bonny or Industro rebrands. But the newer ones are kind of a mash up of apparent sources.

The straight screwdrivers were exact copies of my Williams Taiwan. The ratcheting is close as well.

 

[krusty the clown]

it looks like quite a bit of caterpillars tools ARE snap on.

http://www.gregorypoole.com/SiteCollectionDocuments/Construction/2007CATHandtoolsection.pdf

 

[paramudduck]

Well I saw this set of New Hollands on ebay. http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/e...30237698717&ssPageName=ADME:X:RTQ:MOTORS:1123 So I emailed the seller a ag equipment dealer for more information.

This was his reply:

"These are made for New Holland by a company in Taiwan affliated with Snap-On. These are warranted thru New Holland at the dealership level and not thru Snap-on.
Hope this helps you."

 

[paramudduck]

Krusty if you look at the ratcheting wrenches in the pdf they are identical to the ones from my pic.

 

[fourfeathers]

The local Cat store (Altorfer) had the torx, and they are definitely SO. I was amazed at the low price on their fluids and gloves and stuff.

 

[CAT_serviceman927]

it looks like quite a bit of caterpillars tools ARE snap on.

http://www.gregorypoole.com/SiteCollectionDocuments/Construction/2007CATHandtoolsection.pdf

The CAT tools are a mixed bag. Most of the stuff in that catalog is just stock photos they continue to use. The most recent wrenches and ratchets are made by Williams. Sockets are Snap-On. They used to use Proto in the past for quite a bit as well.

Top to bottom is Williams, SO, Proto.

 

[BigK600]

I know that Case IH tools are made by Snap On, well there the same thing as Blue-Point. The Case dealer had a big sign that said "We Have Snap-On Tools" so I walked in looking for Snap On and talked to a salesman there he told me there the same thing as Blue Point.

 

[Torque1st]

Any factory that makes tools will make tools under contract to anyone that will pay. They will make them to the customer's specifications. The resulting tools have no relationship with any other tool or brand that is made in that factory.
Strength, quality, accuracy, quality control, and appearance are only related to the final customers specifications.

 

[paramudduck]

Very true, but, most of the time we are going nuts trying to find who built what back when. So if we find it now and put it in the archives it may help someone later.

 

[wrenchr]

Krusty Those metric combos are the ones that really have me curious. Williams sourced? or Blue points maybe?

I think most of the old ones were Bonny or Industro rebrands. But the newer ones are kind of a mash up of apparent sources.

The straight screwdrivers were exact copies of my Williams Taiwan. The ratcheting is close as well.

Bluepoint................

 

[Torque1st]

Unfortunately it does not matter in the least. Contracts can change every year or even every few months. Hearsay as to what tool was made by who or when is even worse than useless.

 

[jdcompman]

Is this what we are talking about?

http://cgi.ebay.com/Snap-On-Ratcheting-Screwdriver-with-bits-BRAND-NEW_W0QQitemZ320337978836QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item320337978836&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=66%3A4|65%3A10|39%3A1|240%3A1318

New Holland

 

[krooser]

I miss the shiny Kobalts... some one stole my tool box outta my pick-up at a gas stop a couple years ago... most of my Kobalts were in there. Went to Lowes and they had already switched to the "mill finish" stuff...

 

[ossaguy]

I know it's not tractors,but a few years ago,Echo ( the line of outdoor power equipment ) had SO make the hard handle,ratcheting 45 degree angled screwdriver so it was sold in the Echo grey color,and along with the normal assortment of bits,came with an exclusive 4mm hex bit that was several inches long but still fit inside the handle,to use on Echo's Allen bolts.
It's labeled both SO,and Echo.They did the same with about 6 different SO/Bluepoint retainer clip pliers.
They discontinued selling them this year,because SO raised their prices to them too much,they said.
Echo sold them to us techs for their cost,so they were below the SO dealers cost.I bought them,and they work great.

Steve

 

[radd16]

The New Holland tools are from snap on, but from the blue point side of tools. The part numbers even start with SN then the number. Case is the same thing because New Holland owns Case. And you are correct in that the warranty is handled threw the New Holland dealer ship. Snap on dealers will not warranty these tools. I have some, and they look and seem to be pretty good tools. About what you would expect if you bought blue point tools from Snap on, but alot cheaper price.

 

[Jononon]

OK just because tool pics are nice.
Not mine just pics I've found while looking.

The combination wrenches, bottom middle pic, are made in Taiwan by the same company that produces Britool ratcheting wrenches. They even use the same packaging:



FWIW, Britool is a Stanley Works, not Snap-on, company.

 

[paramudduck]

Are not most of the ratcheting combos made by just a few companies in Asia? If so the same source is not surprising.

Like I mentioned earlier tho this started as a random rainy day question.
True contracts frequently change. This is what makes getting ideals of who provided the contracts at different times interesting. It's like a giant puzzle for those wired that way.

For example look at some of the people on this board and the way they chase the Craftsman puzzle.

 

[rhandwor]

I have some impact sockets with CAT on them identical to a proto impact.

 

[oldtom]

bonney made tools for J/D Cat tools where parx,proto ,william before s/o bonney ,Snapon william{s/n}

 

[catsteve]

I think these are what the OP is talking about. Looks like the SO set to me.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Snap...QptZMotorsQ5fAutomotiveQ5fTools#ht_500wt_1182

 

[Bart Simpson]

I think these are what the OP is talking about. Looks like the SO set to me.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Snap...QptZMotorsQ5fAutomotiveQ5fTools#ht_500wt_1182

Those look like the Williams version of the 900 series Snap On ratchets.

 

[Bart Simpson]

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You can get Snap On tools with your company logo on them.

Click on the Tools , Retail programs , and Promo items tabs on the web page linked below.


http://www1.snapon.com/ToolsForResale.nws

 

[wornoutoldman]

I think these are what the OP is talking about. Looks like the SO set to me.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Snap...QptZMotorsQ5fAutomotiveQ5fTools#ht_500wt_1182

I would inquire from the seller what the country of origin is on those ratchets before I'd spend three bills on that. Pretty sure it will be Taiwan.

 

[Monte]

I would inquire from the seller what the country of origin is on those ratchets before I'd spend three bills on that. Pretty sure it will be Taiwan.

if the ratchets look like in the pic below they should be from the US:

 

[toolmiser]

I don't have a horse in this race but here is my 2 cents. GM made the Caddilac, and the Vega, Ford made Lincolns and Pintos, etc. I think companies will build whatever someone wants and charges accordingly!

 

[tvfd911]

I work for New Holland. When I order tools through the employee purchase program, the email goes to a guy in Kenosha with a snap-on email address. If I remember correctly, he deals with the warranty as well. I haven't noticed any USA markings on any of the tools so far, so I suspect Blue Point manufacture facilities made. I do have some 3/8 Bahco sockets as well as NH 3/8 sockets that I could do a side-by-side comparison of if people truly want it.

I don't have any modern Snap-on or Blue Point to compare to.

I have a set of 3/8 & 1/2 sockets/ratchets, some screwdrivers, combo wrenches- no problems so far, but honestly most of what I have are part of my road kit (the 80 piece kit) and don't get used too often.

For the price, I cannot argue on the quality.

 

[Roots]

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You can get Snap On tools with your company logo on them.

Click on the Tools , Retail programs , and Promo items tabs on the web page linked below.

Bingo. Snap On does indeed make tools for other brand names. As someone else mentioned though, just because one product cycle had Snap On manufacture them, doesn't mean the next cycle will. Nor does it necessarily mean that Snap On built the tool to Snap On spec versus a lesser contractually agreed upon spec.