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Transmission assembly lube for ratchet internals

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Had to put some new lag bolts in a dock post last weekend and my FHBF80A spent some time submerged in fresh water. Pulled it apart it didn't actually look that bad no visible rust etc. Anyway cleaned up all the internals and reassembled with LubeGard Assemblee Goo (transmission assembly). Figured the slight tack would help keep the springs and ball bearing in place. Seems to operate pretty smoothly (may actually be smoother than it was). Any problems with using this? I generally use Mobil 1 synthetic grease (the red stuff) but saw this on the shelf and figured I'd give it a shot. I can take it apart and reassemble if there are any issues just figured I'd check what you guys have to say. Thanks.

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Why fix what has already been fixed? SUPERLUBE, if it's good enough for Snap-On it's good enough for me. Assembly lube should work but since this problem has already been solved why bother?
 
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Why fix what has already been fixed? SUPERLUBE, if it's good enough for Snap-On it's good enough for me. Assembly lube should work but since this problem has already been solved why bother?
Well I didn't know the problem has already been solved and I don't have any superlube I guess now I know. Thanks.
 
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Don't see why it would be a problem. I've used super lube, regular bearing grease, brake grease, motor oil, WD40 etc. whatever is conveniently at hand. Lol. I would say anything beats nothing.
The only thing I'm thinking about is it's designed to breakdown and mix into ATF when heated to operating (transmission) temperature. It seems super slick though and thicker than normal grease. I don't think it will harm anything but may pick up a tube of the Superlube that seems to be a telflon based product and is probably better suited for this application. My main concern was getting any water out of it.
 

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Usually I clean out all the grease with brake cleaner and oil them up with machine oil like air tool lube. When I was a kid I use to clean all the factory bearing grease out of my skateboard bearings and either run them dry or with super thin oil.
 

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You did well by getting the water out,cleaning,inspecting and relubing.Use it for a while and you can be the judge.If you think its working,we here have learned a new alternative. Or start over and go the Super Lube route,thats what I use.
 
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As long as you use a reasonable NLGI grade grease you should be good.
Funny I can't seem to find a TDS for it and don't know if it has an NLGI rating or not. I did look up Superlube for curiosity's sake and it's NLGI 2. It's also Kosher certified, so good to know next time I'm tearing apart the BBQ, ha ha.
 
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I always use a thin oil in ratchets over 60 teeth but, that's just me. I think with the trans goo, you're not going to heat it up enough in a hand ratchet to liquidfy it. :dunno:
No not by using it but it sits in the back of my covered black pickup sometimes and it can get pretty warm. I'm really not worried about it more just thinking about possibilities.
 

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This is the wrong application. I have consumed untold numbers of tubs of trans assembly Lube and I can tell you from experience that it will liquify and continuously leech out of your ratchet when hot. Store it in a hot garage or set it in the sun working outside, it’ll ooze out. It’s not designed to stay a grease forever. It’s designed to turn to a liquid that mixes with ATF and stay that way.

Unless you have no choice, just Use SuperLube.
 
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This is the wrong application. I have consumed untold numbers of tubs of trans assembly Lube and I can tell you from experience that it will liquify and continuously leech out of your ratchet when hot. Store it in a hot garage or set it in the sun working outside, it’ll ooze out. It’s not designed to stay a grease forever. It’s designed to turn to a liquid that mixes with ATF and stay that way.

Unless you have no choice, just Use SuperLube.
Yeah, I'm going to buy a tube of it thanks.
 

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All depends on where you live/work. I did all my ratchets one summer with some fairly thin grease and they were amazing. Working in the unheated(at the time) garage that winter not so much, so ****** I tore them all back apart and went with a different choice of lube.

Anything is usually better then nothing, unless you use sticky thick grease and it gets cold.
 

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......Funny I can't seem to find a TDS for it and don't know if it has an NLGI rating or not. I did look up Superlube for curiosity's sake and it's NLGI 2.
Snap-on uses a NLGI 00 grease in their Dual80 ratchets.

 

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The Super lube grease commonly found is too thick. It's a little effort to get the NLGI 00 Super Lube, but I've used both, and it's better to use the thinner viscosity NLGI 00.
 

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The Super lube grease commonly found is too thick. It's a little effort to get the NLGI 00 Super Lube, but I've used both, and it's better to use the thinner viscosity NLGI 00.

I see these little tubes of 82340 super lube and super Lube 41160 as NLGI 00.

I have


Super Lube 51004 Synthetic Oil with PTFE, High Viscosity, 4 oz Bottle,Translucent white(Packaging may vary)

And

Super Lube-21030 Synthetic Multi-Purpose Grease, 3 Oz.

Neither of these are NLGI 00... From what I can tell. So you would suggest one of the two that I do not currently own?
 

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Mobil 1 probably would have been the better choice. Assembly lubes usually have tackifiers that you don't need and really won't help you and may hurt the tool. I'd take it apart, clean it, and re-assemble with a smear of Mobil 1.

Here's the deal: Just about everything you've read on GJ about ratchet "smoothness" or "quietness" is wrong. The grease in the ratchet is intended to do 2 things:

1) It "wets" the steel parts and helps reduce corrosion caused by condensation, moisture intrusion etc etc.
2) It provides lubrication on the broad metal to metal interfaces between the back of the gear and the body, and between the top of the gear and the face plate. That's where the grease belongs and kinda no where else.

What you DON'T want is grease in the gear teeth that makes the ratchet feel smoother or quieter. You want a sharp mechanical clicking sound when the tool operates. The pawl needs to snap 100% home to be able to react the torque you apply. Any material you put in the gear that makes the tool quieter, is preventing the pawl from seating 100% and will lead to accelerated wear or premature failure. The more grease and the thicker the grease the more the tool's performance will suffer.

Snap On recommends a light weight grease/heavy oil (NLGI 00) as mentioned correctly above. This flows inside the body and really does both of the 2 things mentioned above. It's such a light grease it doesn't matter too much where you put it, since it won't stay there long term. Trouble is, the SuperLube NLGI 00 that Snap On uses isn't easily purchased in small quantities aside from the tiny single serve tubes.

Another potential solution is to use any light oil, or even light, clean motor oil on all components (for item 1), then just a dab of NLGI 1 or 2 grease on either side of the gear prior to re-installation. Never use "hi pressure" grease or anything with tackifiers. That will just increase your tool's back drag.

EXTRA INFO: I have so much grease in my shop it's ridiculous. I'd really like to narrow down my selection. Right now, I'm trying to concentrate on synthetic greases only. Here are a couple I recommend:

Mobil 1 - This is a red synthetic grease you can buy in a tub at the auto parts store. People complain about it separating under certain conditions. Sometimes red oil is leaking from the can in the store! It's a GOOD NLGI 2 bearing grease that functions over a WIDE temperature spectrum. All of you should have this grease in your shop.

SuperLube is a range of products but the stuff in the tube that a lot of us have is NLGI 2 grease. It's not quite as capable as Mobil 1. I wouldn't use it for automotive bearing grease. Superlube was designed as a food safe alternative to other commercial greases.

Mobil 28 aka MIL-G-81322, aka MIL-PRF-81322, aka Aviation Grease, is a highly capable NLGI 1.5 grease. It's been around for a long time. Mobil 28 is similar to Mobil 1, albeit a little thinner, but much less readily available. But if you have Mobil 28, it's good stuff.

Mobilux EP is a family of general purpose lithium greases available from NLGI 000 to NLGI 3. If you wanted a tube of NLGI 00 grease for tools, (that would be a lot of tools) you could buy Mobilux EP 004. Mobilux is the grease to use for heavy equipment, machinery, stuff that gets re-lubed/re-greased regularly. It's a good performer inexpensive general purpose grease. I used it in my Bridgeport Milling machine's head.
 
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The Super Lube NLGI 02, which is the only grade commonly available, is pretty thick. Worse in cold Winter months if you have a cold garage, otherwise it's probably fine. I got the Super Lube NLGI 00 from RS Hughes company. It was around $13 for a normal size tub, which was around 13oz I believe. They also sell the little tubes for around $0.50ea. Of course shipping is extra. Pick out some other nice stuff they sell to get a worthwhile order. RS hughes is good.
 

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The Super Lube NLGI 02, which is the only grade commonly available, is pretty thick. Worse in cold Winter months if you have a cold garage, otherwise it's probably fine. I got the Super Lube NLGI 00 from RS Hughes company. It was around $13 for a normal size tub, which was around 13oz I believe. They also sell the little tubes for around $0.50ea. Of course shipping is extra. Pick out some other nice stuff they sell to get a worthwhile order. RS hughes is good.

10 small tubes on Amazon for $10

Nope, not 82340/00
10 x Super Lube 82340 Multi Purpose Synthetic Grease USDA Dielectric PTFE 1 ml

Nope, requires quantity 12
Only place I found with a tub where you can buy only one for $24 is at motion.
 
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Is it similar to the red assembly lube in that it leaks out of the ratchet and becomes a nuisance?
 
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cgrutt

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Is it similar to the red assembly lube in that it leaks out of the ratchet and becomes a nuisance?
The ratchet is sealed nothing leaking out of it so far but I havent actually used it yet.
 

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10 small tubes on Amazon for $10

10 x Super Lube 82340 Multi Purpose Synthetic Grease USDA Dielectric PTFE 1 ml

Only place I found with a tub where you can buy only one for $24 is at motion.

The Amazon lube is not 82340/00, it is only 82340. And Motion ships directly from the factory so even though their web site does not show it, you must order quantity 12.

rshughes sells the little tubes for $0.41 each but cheapest shipping is $15. I ordered 200, way more than I need. Will see if they actually deliver. If so, I will have way more than I need so if you want to share in the cost...

 

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The lengths to which folks go worrying about such inanity as ratchet lube never ceases to amaze.
Ratchets are machines, Brother. People buy Dual 80 ratchets because they have a sweet combination of high strength and low back drag. If you put black moly grease in one, you reduce the strength AND increase the backdrag. So you paid $100+ for a ratchet then made it worse by putting assembly lube in it? Yeah, I think people care. I think they care alot.
 
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I've used a lot of different lubes on ratchets with mixed results. They seem to be kind of unique in that way. But, what I've found to be the best across the board is 3 in 1 oil. It doesn't clog up the meshing of the teeth and......really.......how much friction and heat does a hand operated ratchet generate? I think a lot of it is in people's heads because the viscosity cushions to some degree depending on the lube and it feels smoother. I think any mechanical advantage is negligible. But I'm certain there are engineers (both real and in their own minds) that would argue that.

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I will add that I sparingly use super lube on my roundheads.
 
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The Amazon lube is not 82340/00, it is only 82340. And Motion ships directly from the factory so even though their web site does not show it, you must order quantity 12.

rshughes sells the little tubes for $0.41 each but cheapest shipping is $15. I ordered 200, way more than I need. Will see if they actually deliver. If so, I will have way more than I need so if you want to share in the cost...

Zoro has the 14 oz tubs for $215 per case. If we did a group buy it would still be $35-$40 a tub after tax and shipping. Shipping (med f/r box is what $18?) kills it. I'd like to get my hands on the right stuff but really not that interested in all the effort that would be involved with this. BTW, I clicked your link but didn't work for me.
 
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Zoro has the 14 oz tubs for $215 per case. If we did a group buy it would still be $35-$40 a tub after tax and shipping. Shipping (med f/r box is what $18?) kills it. I'd like to get my hands on the right stuff but really not that interested in all the effort that would be involved with this. BTW, I clicked your link but didn't work for me.
So this link does not work?


Navigate here: https://www.rshughes.com/ and then search for 82340/00

If you want the larger tubs, specifically the super lube 41160/00, I originally chose Motion because it looked like they would ship me a single tub, which they won't. $215 for a case of 12 is pretty good. If someone coordinated, I would have jumped on that. I still would, but I did order 200 small packets of the 82340/00, which is much more than I need. Will be happy to part with some of what I ordered, I do not need 200.
 
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