Tree on house. Big one. Need advice

[machsnell]

Gentlemen
We had 60 and 70 mph gusts Friday. I Love living in the woods but there is a cost sometimes I guess.

I am looking for some advice. A tree fell on my house Friday and I am putting things back together.

Fortunately my buddy came over with his crane and we got another 120 foot poplar down that was heaving badly and he needed it down tobset up crane.

Anyway trees down off house amd cleaned up by 3 on Saturday.

Now to repair the trusses and roof which we did today.

I sent one of my guysnfor roofing felt after we got the deck on and he got 15 lb. With so much going on I didn't think to tell him what paper.

Anyway a friend of mine said only use 30 lb paper.

I was planning on installing shingles tomorrow.

Should I remove and install 30 lb?

Thanks

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[tenlug]

You have a very good friend that will run his crane after dark for you. Think I'd live with the 15 pound paper.

 

[matt_i]

On the paper "it depends". If this is just to keep you going and a re-roof is going to be needed in 5-10 years I'd stay stick with it.

If this is intended to be a very long time, then I think I'd go synthetic or go 30#.

 

[climb.on]

30lb, or synthetic would be better, but it's not worth taking it off. Keep rolling and start slinging shingles.

 

[OccupantRJ]

15 lb is used in my area of NC all the time.

 

[dave_dj1]

You'll be fine with the 15# felt paper. Shingle away
I had a similar thing happen on my brand new house back in 84, I had just built it myself and a large tall pine tree fell on it one evening while we were having dinner. I called the good hands people and they said to get it off the roof safely and asap and keep track of the time to be reimbursed. The agent came out a day or two later and we figured how much it was going to cost to do the repairs, I had a broken chimney and some ripped strapping and torn metal roof panels, we came to an agreement and he wrote me a check on the spot.

 

[pop pop]

You'll be better off using the 15# and a better shingle than 30# and mid grade shingles.

 

[Catadj78]

Insurance involved?

 

[machsnell]

Insurance involved?

Ok so yes they are and they are coming out Wednesday morning. They approved tree removal and the work to get sheeting and protection done to roof.

I just spoke to another buddy and he said they would replace the whole roof and to not try and weave in new shingles.

So....it is suppose to rain tomorrow midday. Should I

1 - leave 15 pound felt and hope wind and rain don t get under or rip off?

2 - put another layer of 15 lb over it for insurance?

3 - put big tarp over and nail to roof past shingles because roof will be replaced in full so nails holes over existing shingles won't matter

4 - remove 15 lb and install ice and water guard (bitchethane) and not worry about rain or wind and get roof resolved with insurance company?



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[Catadj78]

Ok so yes they are and they are coming out Wednesday morning. They approved tree removal and the work to get sheeting and protection done to roof.

I just spoke to another buddy and he said they would replace the whole roof and to not try and weave in new shingles.

So....it is suppose to rain tomorrow midday. Should I

1 - leave 15 pound felt and hope wind and rain don t get under or rip off?

2 - put another layer of 15 lb over it for insurance?

3 - put big tarp over and nail to roof past shingles because roof will be replaced in full so nails holes over existing shingles won't matter

4 - remove 15 lb and install ice and water guard (bitchethane) and not worry about rain or wind and get roof resolved with insurance company?



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I'd go with 4.

It does look like a large portion of the roof received damage and if I had to guess I'd think they would replace. They should pay for any temp repairs as well but they will want to look at it before permanent repairs are made.

What did he charge for tree removal?


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[LXCam]

Go get a tarp and cover the whole roof. When I went to reroof this house I tore it all off and papered it with 30lb and stapled the **** out of it because we had a big storm coming in. Well let me tell you, blowing rain will get under anything and the next morning not only did my wife have every pot and pan in use, I was beating down depots door at 6:00am. Do you have any idea how much fun it is trying to put on and tie down a couple 60x40 tarps all by yourself in a driving rain storm???

Do it now while you can and good luck.

 

[weadjust]

3 - put big tarp over and nail to roof past shingles because roof will be replaced in full so nails holes over existing shingles won't matter

This. Insurance will pay for the tarp/temporary repairs so save receipts. You get a free tarp you can use just in case while you finish the repairs.

 

[machsnell]

I'd go with 4.

It does look like a large portion of the roof received damage and if I had to guess I'd think they would replace. They should pay for any temp repairs as well but they will want to look at it before permanent repairs are made.

What did he charge for tree removal?


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He hasn't. He will something but we do each other favors. And he needs his driveway paved in the near future. It all works out.

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[machsnell]

Go get a tarp and cover the whole roof. When I went to reroof this house I tore it all off and papered it with 30lb and stapled the **** out of it because we had a big storm coming in. Well let me tell you, blowing rain will get under anything and the next morning not only did my wife have every pot and pan in use, I was beating down depots door at 6:00am. Do you have any idea how much fun it is trying to put on and tie down a couple 60x40 tarps all by yourself in a driving rain storm???

Do it now while you can and good luck.

That's what I needed to hear. Thank you. I am on it in the morning.

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[Catadj78]

He hasn't. He will something but we do each other favors. And he needs his driveway paved in the near future. It all works out.

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No need to cut you a deal as you won't be paying for it. Let him make a lil off it. I've seen some pretty high tree bills myself


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[WhiffySpark]

That’s a $4k tree job here

 

[NUTTSGT]

If the insurance is paying the bulk of the new roof, I'd probably out of pocket for some upgrades. The tarp isn't a bad idea especially if it might take a bit to get the new roof started.

 

[mineallmine]

If it were me I'd go with the tarp cover for now, and when it's time to do the roof, strip it entirely, do the ice and water for the first 1 or 2 rows, then synthetic underlayment for the rest. Then apply a good 30yr shingle over top. I did this when I built my garage even though most roofers up here don't.

Actual extra cost wasn't that much and piece of mind that's it done right (overkill in my case) is worth it's weight in gold. Especially if you plan to be there for a while still

Also if insurance is covering it you can easily get it included in the quote and they usually don't argue the little extra as it usually means they won't be doing it again any time soon.

 

[PugetDude]

What's under the existing shingles? (I've never seen that pattern before, BTW). If the rest of the roof is 15#....

 

[matt_i]

I was really happy with the synthetic underlayment (in my case Grace Tri-Flex) with the orange cap nails for temporary waterproofing. I fully anticipated various leaks but had none that I could detect during a full month while shingling the roof. The only thing I would change would be to add more traction to it, but I think GAF has addressed that shortcoming in their competitor product. The Triflex has an "X" marking pre-printed on it to help with regular cap-nail placement.

 

[machsnell]

If it were me I'd go with the tarp cover for now, and when it's time to do the roof, strip it entirely, do the ice and water for the first 1 or 2 rows, then synthetic underlayment for the rest. Then apply a good 30yr shingle over top. I did this when I built my garage even though most roofers up here don't.

Actual extra cost wasn't that much and piece of mind that's it done right (overkill in my case) is worth it's weight in gold. Especially if you plan to be there for a while still

Also if insurance is covering it you can easily get it included in the quote and they usually don't argue the little extra as it usually means they won't be doing it again any time soon.

I will look I to the synthetic. And I will definitely do the ice and water on edges.


Not sure what's on there now looks like 20lb.

Hasn't leaked.

My buddy saidnthat the shingles were relatively new and they could weave into the existing shingles and not replace the entire.

If it works that insurance just pays me for a whole new roof and I can save by working the 35 percent that's there and pocket the rest I would do that.

If it's that they look and then come back and inspect and pay then I will go for the entire roof.

I know a poster above said they worked a number and they cut a check but my place has paint drywall minor electric and a difficult if not impossible metalbestos furnace exhaust to match and gutters facia etc. So I don't think it will be that simple.

Also all my trim and siding and facia is solid clear western red cedar.

It's all a mess. And not being able to find the furnace 7 inch metalbestos triple wall 4 foot piece to come out of the roofline most likely means it all needs to be replaced down the the 6 inch that comes out of the furnace before it turns up to the second floor them the attic needs to be replaced.

I can't even see the stack once it goes up to first floor ceiling until it comes out of the second floor into the attic.

To top it off my walls are 1/2 inch drywall then 3/4 inch concrete with chicken wire then plaster.



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[yeldogt]

Just be mindful of the new underlayment products -- since they don't breath there is a danger of trapped moisture.

Underlayment is ...underlayment -- its' a separation. The roof provides the water protection.


Zinc roofs need the waterproof underlayment -- but you have to make precautions ... typically using spray foam.

 

[mineallmine]

Just be mindful of the new underlayment products -- since they don't breath there is a danger of trapped moisture.

Underlayment is ...underlayment -- its' a separation. The roof provides the water protection.


Zinc roofs need the waterproof underlayment -- but you have to make precautions ... typically using spray foam.

The GAF deck armor is breathable. It is almost a cloth type material like used on car covers. Very strong and not slippery which is a real bonus when shingling. It also didn't seem to leak when it rained so it may be a similar construction to a car cover. I was very happy with it.

 

[jetnow1]

I built my garage myself mostly during the winter. During the roofing phase I went through several rainstorms and snowstorms. The synthetic felt never leaked, was much lighter to deal with, and stays flat. This is a big deal when it takes you a while to finish
the roof. I will never buy tar paper again.

 

[machsnell]

I built my garage myself mostly during the winter. During the roofing phase I went through several rainstorms and snowstorms. The synthetic felt never leaked, was much lighter to deal with, and stays flat. This is a big deal when it takes you a while to finish
the roof. I will never buy tar paper again.

What is the price like compared to tar paper? Thanks for all the advice.

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[EatonEggbeater]

Any chance you could get in there and run wires for motion lights and CAT 6 for cameras?

Are you over near Powhatan? (PM is OK)

Mike

 

[Falcon67]

What is the price like compared to tar paper? Thanks for all the advice.

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The synthetic is way more expensive but IMHO worth it. I had the shop covered except for the peak run with it. Instead of buying another $125 roll I just used some 30 lb felt I had already. One good rain storm with some wind shredded the 30 lb off the roof, didn't bother the synthetic.

 

[machsnell]

Insurance adjuster came out yesterday and they will pay for whole new roof.

I will make sure to go with 30 or synthetic.

Is it fine to weave in new shingles to existing roof or is that a bad idea?

Only 35 percent of the roof needs to be replaced and the rest is relatively new and in good shape.

I have a high deductible and if I can get a portion done and not full and take away some of the blow of the deductible that would be great.

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[Ole Slewfoot]

Weaving is pretty time consuming compared to going buck wild with the coil nailer, but works fine, so there is a trade off there. If you are doing the labor, weaving is more worth it. It takes attention to detail or generally giving a **** to do it well, and works best in moderate to warm temps. Frozen shingles crack easy, and if they are too hot, they just fall apart.

According to code here, you cannot replace more than 1/3rd of your roof at a time without a permit.

Anyone papering to keep water out, nail a few 1xs over the ends, and here and there in the field really helps keep the wind from getting into it.

When we would get stuck with the thin felt, doubling the overlap seemed to do the trick, callbacks were really rare, and I'm pretty sure none related to that. We don't have snow/ice problems here, not sure if that is a factor.