Triumph c7000 or Maxjax (for the billionth time)

[TJwrenchin]

Let me start off by saying even though it's my first post I am no stranger to forums. In fact I've been posting on them since DSL was the best internet you could get. So when I say I searched this forum regarding this topic I mean I broke the search function as it literally stopped working after the 12th page. Enough rambling, on with the actual questions.

What I'd like to know is how many of you that have the C7000 lift are happy with it and what your experiences were with NAT? Do you wish you had gone a different route and why? NAT seems to not have the best reputation but I can see that some of the negative reviews are not warranted.

Same goes for the maxjax. I know nothing is perfect and I've read a lot about the issues that owners have with it. Some of the negative reviews seem to be operator and or installer error. Do any of you regret not getting something like the C7000?

Did you or do you put a lot of stock in ALI certifications? Why and why not? I honestly am on the fence about it even though an ALI certification is purely optional and for profit organizations such as this do not always have our best interests at heart.

I would also like to state I am well aware of the lifting height difference as well as the additional 1000lbs the C7000 offers. I know someone will chime in with like "get a 9k base plate", that is NOT an option right now as this lift must be easily moved.

 

[curiousB]

I have the Danner M-6 which is the ALI certified Maxjax. It cost a little more the maxjax but I wanted the certification. It has multiple lift stops over the maxjax which is nice but not essential.

I have no complaints. It takes longer to setup than they say. My floor is unlevel so shimming takes a bit of time. I plan to make a shim plate with permanent spacers so I don’t have to experiment each time I set it up.

I don’t know anything about the C7000 so can’t help you there.


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[Jason280]

I have a MaxJax, and the first thing I would want is something with columns that can be mounted farther apart/wider. Its absolutely perfect for my Jeeps, but opening anything with doors can be a PITA.

 

[TJwrenchin]

I have a MaxJax, and the first thing I would want is something with columns that can be mounted farther apart/wider. Its absolutely perfect for my Jeeps, but opening anything with doors can be a PITA.

That's good to know, thanks. I'll have to find the specs again but I am pretty sure the triumph can be spaced wider then the maxjax.

 

[TJwrenchin]

I have the Danner M-6 which is the ALI certified Maxjax. It cost a little more the maxjax but I wanted the certification. It has multiple lift stops over the maxjax which is nice but not essential.

I have no complaints. It takes longer to setup than they say. My floor is unlevel so shimming takes a bit of time. I plan to make a shim plate with permanent spacers so I don’t have to experiment each time I set it up.

I don’t know anything about the C7000 so can’t help you there.

If I go with a maxjax it will be the M6 as I like the automatic locking feature. I am not so sure an ALI certification is really necessary for a hobbyist.

If the lack of ALI certifications on lifts were a serious problem I think we would hear more about it not only on this forum but car forums as well. I also don't buy into the scare tactics that I've seen out there regarding non certified lifts. Just about all of the pictures look like operator error and are taken from angles that make it impossible to actually tell if the lift failed.

 

[JohnnyK8]

C7000 all day. I'm sure you seen my videos and posts.

IL love the thing and it's absolutely perfect for my hobbyist application in a regular garage. Mobility is nice too as I have moved mine a couple times for various projects.

ALI is nice but... If it was required.... It would be required.

I use it every weekend on my cars or my friends cars. So does my son.

If you are not lifting big stuff. I say go for it.



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[TJwrenchin]

C7000 all day. I'm sure you seen my videos and posts.

IL love the thing and it's absolutely perfect for my hobbyist application in a regular garage. Mobility is nice too as I have moved mine a couple times for various projects.

ALI is nice but... If it was required.... It would be required.

I use it every weekend on my cars or my friends cars. So does my son.

If you are not lifting big stuff. I say go for it.



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Pretty sure I am going this route. You have another PM btw.

 

[Mr onetwo]

I agree.If I had it to do over I would get the C7000. The post width is a problem.That being said I still love my MaxJax.

 

[TJwrenchin]

I agree.If I had it to do over I would get the C7000. The post width is a problem.That being said I still love my MaxJax.

After a few PMs go Johnnyk8 I'm pretty much sold on the triumph. I have found them for 2699 shipped to a freight station about 30 miles from my house.

When I compare it to the Maxjax M6 I see no reason not to buy the triumph. The only win for the M6 is its ALI certification and it's not enough for me to accept the reduced lifting height and capacity. Will I ever need that extra 1000 lbs? No but I'd rather have more capacity instead of pushing the limits.

 

[curiousB]

The only win for the M6 is its ALI certification and it's not enough for me to accept the reduced lifting height and capacity. Will I ever need that extra 1000 lbs? No but I'd rather have more capacity instead of pushing the limits.

The benefit of the ALI is that it is independent certification vs self certification. A vendor can publish a max lift spec based on its own calculations and with sufficient brow beating from the marketing department will pump up the number. With ALI they have to prove it.

I would argue a hobbyist is in more need of ALI than a pro as they are less experienced using the equipment. What price do you put on safety? I've never felt it myself but I suppose 4000 lbs crashing down on you would hurt quite a bit.

 

[TJwrenchin]

The benefit of the ALI is that it is independent certification vs self certification. A vendor can publish a max lift spec based on its own calculations and with sufficient brow beating from the marketing department will pump up the number. With ALI they have to prove it.

I would argue a hobbyist is in more need of ALI than a pro as they are less experienced using the equipment. What price do you put on safety? I've never felt it myself but I suppose 4000 lbs crashing down on you would hurt quite a bit.

First off let's be clear that while the testing is independent it is by no means mandated. Additionally ANSI/ALI is a for profit organization and none of their testing requirements are checked by anyone else. They write the procedures and that's it and as I mentioned before you have to pay them a hefty sum in order to have your equipment tested by them.

You argue that a hobbyist is in more need of and ALI certified lift due to lack of experience. Please tell me how the gold sticker stops someone from improperly loading a lift? I ask because operator error seems to be the leading cause of dropped vehicles. Also if you take the time to examine the lift failure pictures you'll find that the brands shown are also ones that tend to be certified.

 

[curiousB]

Following your logic all testing and compliance agencies are frivolous. UL, FCC, CE, CPSC, OHSA,.....

Independence is the point. Regardless of for profit or not that’s a whole lot better than self certification. Keep this thread in mind each time you are under your lift and it creaks.



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[TJwrenchin]

Following your logic all testing and compliance agencies are frivolous. UL, FCC, CE, CPSC, OHSA,.....

Independence is the point. Regardless of for profit or not that’s a whole lot better than self certification. Keep this thread in mind each time you are under your lift and it creaks.



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So let me get this straight. First you bypass my question in regards to home gamers needing an ALI certified lift. Then you list off FEDERAL agencies that MANDATE testing of products to a standard or products simply meet certain criteria. UL testing is not required by the way.

ALI is NOT required by OSHA, CAL OSHA or any other state or federal agency. You are basically comparing apples to oranges. If it were required trust me CAL OSHA would be the first to make ot happen as they try to exceed the federal standard in many areas.

I also like how you end with a scare tactic, very nice. Funny how in all my searching I've never found a soul that said their non ALI certified lift creaked.

Lastly if the lack of ALI certification were a problem many of these companies selling non certified lifts would have been long gone.

 

[curiousB]

Automotive Lift Certification
....Since 1993, the ALI Lift Certification Program has made it easy for lift buyers to choose lifts that have been third-party tested (i.e. independence from self certification and risk of corner cutting and specification puffery by manufacturer) and proven to meet the safety and performance requirements outlined in the safety standard ANSI/ALI ALCTV (current edition) “Safety Requirements for the Construction, Testing and Validation of Automotive Lifts.” Intertek (Cortland, N.Y.), MET Laboratories (Baltimore, Md.) and TÜV Rheinland (Newtown, CT) are the third-party Nationally accredited testing laboratories authorized to test lifts to determine whether they meet the ANSI/ALI ALCTV standard (current edition).

Lift testing includes verification of the structural integrity of all the lift’s systems and components, proper function of its controls and load-holding devices, proper lowering speeds, and overload protection. Part of the testing process involves loading the lift to 150 percent of its rated load capacity and ensuring that no visual deformation of any of the lift’s structural elements or components occurs. Instructional materials must also meet requirements outlined in the standard. In order for a lift to be certified, the manufacturer’s production facility also has to meet quality control requirements (just like UL does, they approve the product and the production environment, you have to pass both) Lifts can be tested and certified regardless of where they are manufactured and whether or not the manufacturer is an ALI member.

Lifts tested by the authorized laboratories and found to meet all of the requirements outlined in the ANSI standard receive a gold “ALI Certified” label and are listed in the ALI Directory of Certified Lifts. ALI certification is a buyer’s only guarantee that a lift meets the industry safety and performance standards. Note that certification is for an individual model of lift, not the lift manufacturer. If a manufacturer has one ALI-certified lift, that does not mean that all of its lifts are certified.”....

 

[coalminer16]

Back to the lifts vs certifications - has anyone moved either style around the shop? I have a Rotory 2 post lift but honestly I have many times I would like 2 cars in the air ( I have many vws and sometimes rob parts from one to get the other moving - even tires with snow and summer tires). But I don't want the 2nd lift to block access so I would likely unbolt and move at least one post. And possibly have a 2nd location for it to also be at depending on the state of my projects.

So how easy are any to move?

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[JohnnyK8]

Take 5 minutes to move the c7000 post(s).

I have moved mine a couple times. Just unbolt it and walk it over into the corner. Easy for a average sized dude.

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[TJwrenchin]

Take 5 minutes to move the c7000 post(s).

I have moved mine a couple times. Just unbolt it and walk it over into the corner. Easy for a average sized dude.

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Doesn't your lift have the wheels that they had to remove because of the lawsuit?

 

[Mr onetwo]

Doesn't your lift have the wheels that they had to remove because of the lawsuit?

I actually got rid of the wheels on my MaxJax. They were in the way and not really sized correctly.I use a heavy duty hand truck with mine and the posts move easily.Keep in mind I am also an amputee confined to a wheelchair.

 

[NewShockerGuy]

I like my MaxJax and it's served me well over the years, but everytime I see the c7000 I want it..lol Just for the added height and the fact I don't have to manually put in the safety bars would be nice.

Does anyone know the spacing of the anchors in terms of the c7000 and also what achor they use?

Only thing I can't stand about it is the stupid purple color they have on the arms. It reminds me of Planet Fitness which is a joke. Not that they couldn't easily be re-painted to whatever color. Wish they were yellow or red.

I think if I could sell my maxjax locally for a good deal I'd honestly pick up a c7000. I haven't really heard any horror stories or anything of that nature with them which is reassuring.

-Nigel

 

[TJwrenchin]

I like my MaxJax and it's served me well over the years, but everytime I see the c7000 I want it..lol Just for the added height and the fact I don't have to manually put in the safety bars would be nice.

Does anyone know the spacing of the anchors in terms of the c7000 and also what achor they use?

Only thing I can't stand about it is the stupid purple color they have on the arms. It reminds me of Planet Fitness which is a joke. Not that they couldn't easily be re-painted to whatever color. Wish they were yellow or red.

I think if I could sell my maxjax locally for a good deal I'd honestly pick up a c7000. I haven't really heard any horror stories or anything of that nature with them which is reassuring.

-Nigel

The added height and capacity is what got me. Johnnyk8's videos, posts, experiences and PM's helped a lot towards pushing me in that direction as well.

I totally agree on the color of the arms, I'd take any color besides purple or pink. Actually black towers and orange arms would look good.

I'd bet you could unload the maxjax easily but you'll probably have to change the location of the lift though as the C7000 uses 6 bolts instead of 5 and probably has different spacing.

One thing I've noticed is the towers of the C7000 are extremely similar to their 9k baseplate lift and I think the carriage is the same. The arms are the same design as well and someone from NAT or Universalift (cant remember which) stated that the arms are actually 9k arms. If that is the case then the safety factor is pretty high in that area. I also like these arms better then the original maxjax arms as they have more bracing and gussets. Hell they look better then some certified lifts.

 

[JohnnyK8]

Does anyone know the spacing of the anchors in terms of the c7000 and also what achor they use?

I used wedgit 5/8 powerset expoxy anchors. 6 per side. I drew up a template of the baseplate but need to find it.



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[NewShockerGuy]

I do enjoy the small profile of the maxjax, and the current spacing allows me to still park (close fit) the other car in the garage. I'm worried about the c7000 since it's bigger I'd have to space out the columns slightly more which would greatly impede the other car from getting parked. The arms also look a lot longer than the maxjax.

-Nigel

 

[Bmf5150]

I’m really interested in the extra height of c7000 ,I can’t find a lot of reviews on them .What is the under car max height with the c7000?

 

[laser3kw]

I’m really interested in the extra height of c7000 ,I can’t find a lot of reviews on them .What is the under car max height with the c7000?

C7000 web site link
Lifting height 72" - I believe that would equate to from the pads sitting on the floor to pad maximum height.

 

[JohnnyK8]

72" total with locks every 4-6"

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[Bmf5150]

Thanks guys ,are you guys still happy with yours?

 

[DetroitDIESEL444]

I have a c7000. Its ok. It needs a 30 amp 120 volt plug. if i had it to do over again i would have gotten a baseplate 2 post. Ive had a car sitting on it for a few months straight. I have yet to move it.

 

[zerogrips13]

C7000 all day. I'm sure you seen my videos and posts.

IL love the thing and it's absolutely perfect for my hobbyist application in a regular garage. Mobility is nice too as I have moved mine a couple times for various projects.

ALI is nice but... If it was required.... It would be required.

I use it every weekend on my cars or my friends cars. So does my son.

If you are not lifting big stuff. I say go for it.



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hey johnny i also have a c7000 and you seem to be the most active person that also owns one so i have a question. one of my automatic locks fail to reset and im wondering if you have experienced this problem. i have to manually flip it in order for it to engage the locks it like gets stuck.

thanks for your time

 

[JohnnyK8]

Hi I have not seen that happen. My guess would you might need to hit it with some lubricant and cycle it a few times without a load on it.

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[JohnnyK8]

Just installed my C7000 in my new shop. Used regular anchors this time since I don't plan on moving it.

I'll be ordering a 4 post lift too since I have so much room in this shop. 40x60!

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[highnote1]

Resurrecting this thread. Still Seriously considering either the c7000 or the new maxjax now with Bendpak credentials. I happened on this review on Amazon. Is this true on the height of the highest lock point? If it doesn’t really go 72 inches, I am going Maxjax. Thanks in advance.

ates on May 2, 2019
Do Not Buy Triumph Lifts: The specifications are false and performance is poor.
Model 7000:
Does NOT lift to 72 inches even with the pad in place
Top safety lock position is only 5.5 ft - that is the MAX working height (this greatly restricts working if taller than 5.5ft)
It does not come with a power cord or plug
The exposed wiring does not comply with US national electric code
Ad states breaker must be 20A manual states 30A - unclear which is accurate
The lift is NOT portable, it is movable with handtruck and help
The lift raises VERY UNEVEN - 5 inch tilt is common
Support is non-existent to poor
The factory is in China not Texas as stated

 

[BellyUpFish]

If it doesn’t really go 72 inches, I am going Maxjax. Thanks in advance.

Did you buy a lift yet?

 

[Imatk]

I can comment on my experience with the new MaxJax.

Hopefully (if you order one) they'll send a new install manual. In mine it was the old Danmar manual.

My motor was faulty and the lift would operate sometimes and then not other times.

Once you get through to a tech at BendPak they're awesome or at least the guy I talked to was awesome Scott Palmer is his name.

Sent me out a new motor so hopefully all my issues are over.

The manual states a certain amount of ATF to put in the reservior. I don't remember off-hand how much, but it's NOT enough.

You need to add what they suggest and then I'm guessing another quart or quart and a half.

The lack of a new manual made the install more frustrating than it should have been, but it's not too difficult honestly... plenty of youtube vids that show how to install it (I'm probably going to post one at some point since I recorded it)

Pros:
Lifts plenty fast for me.
Working height is as stated and is high enough for me and I'm 6'1"
Solid construction on the lifting posts and wheels.
Solid connectors for the hydraulics.

Cons:
Lack of updated manual
Wheels on cart aren't the best
Don't like the storage space for the hoses (would have preferred the hooks... easier to put away)
Lock mechanism is flimsy as hell.


The only REAL issue I have at this point (since the new motor) is the lock design is just not great.

It's a lever that's attached between a large spring. It works... but the thing is often binding because the spring moves laterally and causes it to not release.

I'm guessing this was the same design as on the Danmar unit.

Once it's locked it's plenty sturdy, it's just unlocking and locking can be a pain.

 

[JohnnyK8]

It goes 6 feet. Just did it yesterday in my new shop

No wheels on mine. I have the OG C7000



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[highnote1]

Thanks for all the info. Now I’m leaning towards the triumph again. I have 10 foot ceiling and high lift door so can use a little more height. I’m in Dallas and it’s super easy to go pick one of these up from a wholesale lifts, like Monday if I wanted to and pay no shipping or anything.

Was concerned with the larger heavier posts and dropping them on me when I move them. I’m 5’10, 165lbs so not a huge dude.

Maxjax had me with the new version addressing problems but sounds like bendpak also has issues. Dang.

It’s a big purchase for me money wise but I’m 43 and don’t want to work on my back under Jack stands anymore!

 

[JohnnyK8]

165 lb is plenty man to move these posts. Take your time and be smart. No big deal at all.

Did you score a lift yet?

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[chucklebill]

in the market for a lift, as an ex mechanic of 20 years im looking for something but my garage space is limited.

Would you guys with a 7000 put an f150, gmc yukon xl on one of these lifts? as thats what i drive and would be using a lift mostly for. iv got 12’6 ceilings but dont want a post in the middle if my garage permanently also im 6’ and the max jack its too low