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Triumph Spitfire on car dolly

Bronson

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Hey guys, I am bidding on a 80 Triumph Spitfire. If I win this car, I will be driving 900 miles each way to bring it home. I have access to a car hauler flatbed, but am thinking of using a car dolly. My tow vehicle is a F-150 FX4.
I have never used a car dolly. If I go that route, do I need to drop the driveshaft out of the Spitfire, before towing long distance? I am also concerned about having a flat on the Triumph, and not knowing it, since I wont be able to really see much of the car behind me. Any thoughts or suggestions would be appreciated, I know there are a lot of knowledgible car guys here. Thanks!
 
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I would use a trailer. It will tow better and, if the worst thing happens, it's cargo and should be covered by your auto insurance.

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Agreed, use the trailer. The dolly has the added problem in that you can't back up with it attached. A major PITA if you find yourself dead-ended in unfamiliar territory.
 

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my first choice: trailer

my second choice: car dolly, pull driveshaft

my third choice: put on car dolly backwards and secure steering wheel
 

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I have over 40,000 miles covered using my tow dolly. Haven't used my open trailer in over 5 years. Last week I towed my Studebaker Lark to South Bend IN for the national meet and back, about 1300 miles total.

Tow dolly is infinitely safer- no tongue weight, no load balance problems, less overall weight. Any trailer behind a stock 1/2 ton truck is asking for trouble because of tongue weight.

If you are inexperienced at towing, a trailer can be dangerous, due to above reasons, plus higher center of gravity. The car is much lower on a dolly, thus much more stable, especialy in wind.

Tow dolly is much easier to load and tie down, and simpler, thus almost idiot-proof. You load the front tires, put on the straps and tighten, and go. Go 5 miles or a couple turns, recheck straps, and you're done.

I've been as far as FL, 3000 miles round trip. Never had problems, ever. Trailers, lots of issues.

Downsides- the rolling end of your load must be in reasonable condition: decent tires, gear oil, brakes not stuck. You cannot back up a dolly; make sure any stops have a way to drive in and back out; not hard, just need to pay attention. Some auto trans. need the drive shaft pulled; never seen a manual that did. If you will feel better, unbolt it from the rear, swing it to the side out of the way, and tie it up securely. Some trans. will leak if you pull it out. Never tow with front wheels down unless you have to; even tied securely the front will want to sway and you'll be doing 40-50 mph on your trip, not fun over that distance.

If you have a flat or any other problem you will know it like in any other case, you'll feel it. If something happens you will be a lot better off in an emergency situation than a trailer. Just pay attention and keep an eye on it. Each time you stop, recheck the straps.

On long trips I like to put a chain loosely around the crossmember and the dolly frame and bolt it together, just for added peace of mind. Make sure it won't interfere with movement or turning.

Always make sure your tow vehicle is heavier than the towed vehicle. Obviously in your case it is. When climbing a grade, get in the right lane and let the truck decide how fast it wants to climb, downshifting as appropriate. Much easier on the truck.

I understand some will have negatives to say about tow dollies, but usually they're based on opinions, not experience. I'm on my second dolly in 20 years of towing, just upgraded to an easier to load style.

Use common sense, check your straps carefully, allow a littlelonger stopping distance, and you will have a safe, low-stress trip. It's as simple as you can get.

Good luck on your purchase!
 

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The trailer would be ideal. I trailerd my Opel GT, and it had sat 20 years. It probably would have made it, but an old car, with unknown history, makes a dolly a risky proposition. Tires, brakes and bearings are an issue. If you do use a dolly, make sure you drop the driveshaft, and seal the trans.

Looked like this when I picked it up:
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Then on the trailer:
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Washed:
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3 hours of tinkering made it driveable:
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A couple months later I drove it 250 miles each way to Carlisle for the Import Auto Show.
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Jim :cool:
 

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I'd put it on a trailer, just a lot easier.

You might be interested in this .............

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Car hauler flatbed ? Are you talking a rollback wrecker or a regular open trailer ? Different people call things by different names.


I'd rather trailer it to have the entire vehicle (with unknown mechanical background) off the road.
 

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I once towed an old Spitfire about 55 miles on a tow dolly with no problems. I didn't even remove the drive shaft. Most recently, I towed a Spitfire on a U-haul trailer. I had not problems that time either, but the trailer put a load on my 4runner.
 

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Trailer would be ideal (trailer brakes too!), but a dolly would work. I towed my 56 from Sevierville, TN to Mountain Home, AR with my explorer on a dolly. Marked and dropped the driveshaft.

No issues at all on the trip.

Just do not pull in where you have to back up and your fine.

I took a floor jack, a tool box, and a couple of borrowed spare tires with me (ford used the same bolt pattern until the 80s). They were not needed . The old bias plies held fine on the rear of the truck.
 
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I'd put it on a trailer, just a lot easier.

You might be interested in this .............

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Thanks for the advice, Guys, I appreciate the input. I am doing the E-Bay count down, may be a moot point. I have decided to use the flat bed trailer if I win the car. It is a very clean, second owner car, seller said I could drive it home, but I would rather hot-shot out and back. I have carried lots of cars lots of miles on a flat-bed, so no issues there. I was just kind of thinking out loud.

I already own a jar of LUCAS smoke, as I own a Triumph 650.... Comes in handy, the smoke got out last year..
 

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That magic smoke is a pesky thing. It gets out and it's hard to put back in. The component just doesn't work the same after the smoke gets out.
 

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About 12 years ago I had to drive 250 miles to Buffalo NY to rescue a daughter's GEO prism with a dead trans. I rented a u-haul tow dolly, drove up in my 1989 Ford Bronco II and towed it home. Royal PITA! You could back up a trailer but not a vehicle on a tow dolly.

My recommendation is the trailer. A TR spit is light so this should be a piece of cake. (I'm a TR guy by the way).

Tom
 

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About 40 years ago one of my brothers and I towed a dead Triumph TR3 home from one side of Toronto to the other. The tow vehicle was another TR3 and we flat towed it with a 20' chain. I would suggest that be your LAST choice. :scared:
 

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I have rescued projects via flat towing with towbar ('56 T-Bird from New Orleans; tow dolly a few times; and finally a car hauler trailer by PJ.. Never will I use anything but the trailer. New project of unknown mechanical condition is fully contained; trailer can be backed anywhere I want it; and properly balanced, it will pull as well or better than dolly---and I have brakes on trailer. Brake suddenly with a dolly and see how well you like a dolly.

No idea which way you are going for that Spitfire; there is one for sale locally. Many years and several pounds ago, we had one and I could fit into them; no more. Sold the Bugeye because I couldn't fit in it either. Good you know you are aware of the prince of darkness and have a supply of the magic smoke for refills.
 

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I've had good success using a tow dolly many times with vehicles up to about 3600 pounds. I don't know about other states, but around here the vehicle being towed needs to have a current registration if being towed with wheels on the ground.
 
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Hey I won the Spitfire! 1980 Spitfire 1500, electronic overdrive, always garaged, ALL OF ITS LIFE. Belonged to an 85 year old man, who passed. Very, very clean original car. 65,000 miles. I cant pick it up until late next week, will post some pics then. Thanks for the advice, everybody!
 
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Congrats!

One thing to watch with a two dolly and small car is the clearance between the rear bumper and the road. Little, low cars with rear overhang like the spit can drag **** when on the dolly.

My vote is trailer. fewer unknowns and the car being towed has some modicum of protection from road debris.

Honestly, if its that nice, have you considered hiring an enclosed transport service?
 
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Congrats!

One thing to watch with a two dolly and small car is the clearance between the rear bumper and the road. Little, low cars with rear overhang like the spit can drag **** when on the dolly.

My vote is trailer. fewer unknowns and the car being towed has some modicum of protection from road debris.

Honestly, if its that nice, have you considered hiring an enclosed transport service?

I am going to get some quotes, but I will probably just go get it. Just found out My friend no longer has His car trailer, so now the hunt is on. May have to go U-Haul.
 

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I tow my Jeep on a trailer quite often, I load it to keep the bulk of the weight on the trailer, if your going to use a u-haul car-hauler, load it on backwards, put the engine behind the trailer axles, it will pull better and you will have far less tounge weight.
 

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^^This...

The UHaul trailers are only 15/16 footers. The trailer would be better to pick the car up in my opinion as 900 miles with a empty dolly, you would be lucky to arrive with any of your fillings still in your teeth. :lol_hitti
 

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yeah...go uhaul and rent the car hauler trailer one way from there...a spitfire is nothing for a F150. about a month ago I hauled this on the exact same uhaul trailer with the exact same rig over the mountains of SW virginia back to charlottesville. I'm not going to lie...my nerves were on edge by the time I got home...but only because I was nervous for the bronco. Nothing else!
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Hey guys, I am bidding on a 80 Triumph Spitfire. If I win this car, I will be driving 900 miles each way to bring it home. I have access to a car hauler flatbed, but am thinking of using a car dolly. My tow vehicle is a F-150 FX4.
I have never used a car dolly. If I go that route, do I need to drop the driveshaft out of the Spitfire, before towing long distance? I am also concerned about having a flat on the Triumph, and not knowing it, since I wont be able to really see much of the car behind me. Any thoughts or suggestions would be appreciated, I know there are a lot of knowledgible car guys here. Thanks!

As a complete tangent, I've found that Moss Motors and Victoria British have the best source for parts for old Brit roadsters (I have an Austin Healey Sprite Mk II).

But as to your question, keep in mind how low a Spitfire is. You don't want to drag the bumper. Even getting my Sprite on and off a trailer can be dicey - some short sections of 1x6 are handy for rounding out the bottom of the ramp.
 
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yeah...go uhaul and rent the car hauler trailer one way from there...a spitfire is nothing for a F150. about a month ago I hauled this on the exact same uhaul trailer with the exact same rig over the mountains of SW virginia back to charlottesville. I'm not going to lie...my nerves were on edge by the time I got home...but only because I was nervous for the bronco. Nothing else!
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Speaking of tongue weight concerns! Yikes!
 

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Do the U-Haul trailers have brakes? My F-150 is not set up to operate trailer brakes.

If you're going to own a vehicle of British pedigree (as I do), you should invest in your own trailer and add the connector to your truck's harness; you'll find you need to use the trailer for the Spit all too often! lol
 

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Do the U-Haul trailers have brakes? My F-150 is not set up to operate trailer brakes.

Yes, they are compression brakes and work pretty well. You wont need any special hook-ups, just a 4 prong flat plug adapter for your Ford round plug.

Your car is light enough that it wouldn't be an issue anyhow.

Can you link to the e-bay auction so we can see photos?

Jim :cool:

PS Congrats!
 

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If you go for the trailer, you may find that the track width of the Spit just barely fits the ramp width of the trailer....so be very careful driving on and off the trailer.

If you opt for the dolly, I'd definitely take the few minutes to disconnect the propshaft. If you're driving 1800 miles total to retrieve the Spit, 15 minutes to disconnect the propshaft is a no brainer. It's only 4 bolts....and then you don't have to wonder if you've trashed the trans in route. I not familiar with the Spit overdrive trans (I'm an MG guy), but I've certainly heard of MG folks ruining a trans that way. Others says they've done it with no problems - but why take the chance.

As far as the recommendation above of Moss and Victoria British, I much prefer the service from Moss. For a Spit you might find The Roadster Factory an excellent parts source.
 

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fly out there, put the car inside a uhaul truck and come home, be cheaper, be quicker
 

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If you're going to own a vehicle of British pedigree (as I do), you should invest in your own trailer and add the connector to your truck's harness; you'll find you need to use the trailer for the Spit all too often! lol

And if you track them, you might as well duck tape a "debris on track" flag to your trunk. Some smartass did that to me. :)
 

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There are a couple of common miss-conceptions here.

Having tow vehicle heavier than the towed is certainly nice but it's by no means a requirement (as indicated by the tow ratings of most trucks)

The tongue weight should be 10 to 15 percent of the total weight of the trailer. If the tongue is to light then you can get into an extremely nasty situation where the trailer will start swaying to the point where it can snap the back of the truck right around.

I'm not endorsing either but I'd rather see to much tongue weight than to little. I've seen very few instances of hitch failure (and none on properly installed brand name hitches) but I've seen more wrecks than I can keep track of caused by to little tongue weight.

Another issue with loading vehicles backwards is that they aren't designed to have that much air move over them in that direction. I've seen some weird stuff come off when guys have loaded cars on rollbacks backwards. I've even seen a windshield blow out.

A properly loaded trailer or car dolly will tow just fine and safely behind a tow vehicle rated for the load. I wouldn't pull either one without brakes anymore (I'm kind of a slow learner but I finally had enough close calls to make that a rule).

I prefer a trailer because I like to be able to back up, you don't have to worry about the condition of the vehicle that you're picking up. Having said that I've towed dollys several thousands of miles.
 

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we used to tow two Fiat 124 spiders all over to SCCA events on single axle trailers. Of course we had rails to drive on so we did not have the weight of a full flatbed. However one was pulled with a Mazda wagon all the way from Orange County CA to Gainesville GA. If you can get a reasonable weight trailer, I would go this route instead of a dolly. You don't know the condition of the axles, bearings, wheels, differential fluid etc. The very worst case would be to just put it on a dolly and have a gearbox that was accidentally in 1st or 2nd cause it got bumped before towing.
 
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