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Tube Notching 101:

drive em

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There may come a time when you need to notch a piece of tubing or pipe. Most will use this knowlege towards the installation of a roll bar or cage in their car. Here are three methods that I use to do some notching:

The first is the chop saw method, and it requires no notcher at all. It does require a little practice, and it is the method that is most like art. What you do is set the chop saw vise at a 45 degree angle, and cut the corner of the tube off, flip it 180 degrees, and cut the other corner off. You end up with two notches that require a little massaging with a file or disc sander to be a perfect notch.

With the chop saw vise set at 45 degrees, the piece of tube is set in the vise and clamped in place:
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The corner of the tube is cut off and you now have one half of a notch:
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The tube is now flipped 180 degrees. If you are making a straight 90 degree notch, you will position the tube exactly like the first cut, if it is an angle cut, you will set the tube in a little further in the vise so you are cutting off more of the tube. This is where the art part of it comes in as it takes a while before you know how much to cut off for angle cuts:
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Here is the tube before deburring:
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And here is the tube after deburring with a disc sander:
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Just in case you think you cannot make accurate notches with this method, here is the notch and a piece of tube that it will weld to showing no gap at all. This is the method I use the most including chrome moly TIG welded cages:
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The next method is by using a common hole saw tube notcher that several vendors sell. This one is made by Dale Wilch, and has been used thousands of times. I do not use a drill press as I have found that most of them do not have a slow enough low speed, and you end up tying up the drill press. I mount the notcher on the corner of a sturdy table and I power it with a variable speed 1/2" drill:

Here is the notcher and the drill used to power it:
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The tube is held in place with a horse shoe shaped piece of strap, and will accomodate tobe sizes from 3/4"-2". It will also notch square tubing:
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For straight 90 degree cuts, the tube is set to zero with the adjustable tube holder:
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Any angle from 0-50 degrees can be cut by adjusting the tube holder:
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The drill is turned on and the holesaw and the arbor that holds it are fed into the tube slowly until the notch is made. You want to notch the tube with the same size hole saw that the tube will weld to, in this case a 2" hole saw was used. A little cutting fluid will prolong hole saw life:
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You end up with a nice notch that will need a little tune up:
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This notcher works extremely well and the variable speed drill lets you control the feed and speed. The only modification I made to mine was to replace the bronze bushings where the arbor rides with needle bearings as the bronze bushings will only last a few dozen notches:
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The last method is a version of the hole saw notcher except that I chucked up the arbor and hole saw in chuck of my lathe, and the tube holder is mounted to the carriage of the lathe. This allows me to use the power of the lathe motor, and more angles than the 0-50 degree range of the notcher.

Here is the lathe setup:
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The feed on the lathe is used to feed the tube into the spinning hole saw:
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Angled notches are done by moving the tool post holder, this one is set at 22 degrees:
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Good info for those that are going to do this type of stuff one thing to add you can also do it by had with a hack saw and half round files. Most frame building classes will teach you the hand method first then you will learn the others.
 

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Great tips from you guys. Slightly offtopic, but anyone know some good reference materials for cage building? Recommende books, etc? TIA.
 

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I use my little mill for notching most of my stuff, but the little woodward fab notcher from summit is also a great tool. I have made a few hundred notches with it also.

~James
 

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good info

1 I have done the chop saw method. I use a 4'' disc grinder and a die grinder to finish the fit. its quicker to do but not as percise if you dont know what you are doing

2 I have a lathe and have used that method as well except I use a large multi fluted end mill. very precise but slow

3 I have a Bport mill and have done notching on the mill. I think this is easier than on the lathe, but I had the lathe before I got the mill. very precise but slow

4 I have used an old fashion compas to scribe the tube to trim and use a plasma cutter to trim off the end. can be quick and precise of you are good at scribing the line

bob
 

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Great post and tips Drive Em... thanks for taking the time.

Perfect timing as I was considering building this http://www.gottrikes.com/Tube_Bender.htm homemade tubing bender. I used to have a M-tec manual bender and have been wanting to replace it ever since I got rid of it. Anybody ever heard of these gottrikes?
 

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Great post and tips Drive Em... thanks for taking the time.

Perfect timing as I was considering building this http://www.gottrikes.com/Tube_Bender.htm homemade tubing bender. I used to have a M-tec manual bender and have been wanting to replace it ever since I got rid of it. Anybody ever heard of these gottrikes?

I have built two of them. One for myself, and one for my father. They are very nice benders. I built them probably 2.5 years ago, and I think he may have updated the plans a few times since then. I know I added casters on ours, and went with the air over hydraulic cylinder. we went in together a bought a few dies to make it cheaper. When he needs one I have or vice versa, we just use the priority flat rate boxes and ship them to each other since we are 4 hours apart. Bender works great, life is good.

I have had outstanding results with this notcher. Its cheap, but I have probably made 200+ notches with it. http://www.summitracing.com/parts/HCK-SPPIPE/

~ James
 
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Drive'em - awesome thread - thanks. GJ has changed so much over the year - not enough "garage fab", too much "Free Parking Blab"!!!

Thanks for the efforts, I will be needing this info on my current 240Z project. The gap (or lack thereof!) on your chop-saw tubes is incredible - nice workmanship.
 
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Thanks for all the compliments, I hadn't logged on in several weeks, and I was pleasantly suprised that someone had actually read what I posted. I have some more coming.
 

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The fit up on the laser cut stuff is awesome. Just wire brush, wipe with acetone, and weld. No gaps to fill or anything like that. I love it. WAY nicer than you could ever do by hand.
 

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Thread from the dead

Me and another mechanic are fabricating some rails for work, connecting 2 pieces of pipe at 90 degrees we would notch each pipe at 45 degrees and weld.

If we had 2 pieces of pipe that were vertical and we need to add a piece of pipe horizontal in between both, we measure centre to centre, cut the pipe, then notch at the respective degree depending of the OD of the pipe.

It was my first time notching and we were using a chop saw, I got the hang of it.

My question is how do you notch 3 pieces of pipe that was going to make a corner kind of like a cube?

Tips?

Thanks
 

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I was reading on reddit:

It is just 2 45 degree cuts turned 90 degrees from each other. Do this on all 3 tubes.

Give it a shot with some toilet paper tubes...


I did try some paper tubes, tried to find an illustration or video but couldn't, I still cant wrap my head around it
 

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There are other ways for notching such as:
1. with the use of roller with abrasive belt to notch with abrasive the middle. I suppose it is the most economic (for machine, not for the consumables) way to get notching.
2. notching tools and machinery, this just from googling example http://www.punchtools.com/web_pages/industrial/TubeNotching.html
3. Laser cutting, yes. Moreover laser cutting has also 2 options - 2d laser cutting with tube option (the photo up looks like 2d Prima, don't know about it but on Trumpf lasers it's called Trumpf Rotolas). Or special cutting machines for tubes, as I heard on the market it started from 500K.
 
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