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LSU

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I'm going to pull the trigger and buy an Ultrasonic Cleaner to clean my tools.

My wife has a small one she uses for her jewelry so I'm familiar with how these work BUT

I'm looking for tips on how to use an ultrasonic cleaner to clean my sockets, hand tools, etc.

Do you run them "hot"?

Do you use any type of solution?

Anything to avoid?

How do you "dry" your tools when they come out?

Any other tips?

Thanks.
 
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I used to work for a place that sold them.
Do you run them "hot"? Yes, heat helps
Do you use any type of solution? People here like Simple Green. The stuff we used to sell was a mix of castile soap and ammonia.
Anything to avoid? No flammable cleaning agents. Don't rest stuff on the bottom of the tank, Don't let sediment accumulate on the bottom of the tank. Don't run it dry.
How do you "dry" your tools when they come out? Air gun or an old towel.
Any other tips?
Buy an accessory basket or tray for small parts. I also bent up some wire to suspend small items like the wife's jewelry. If something is made of very thin metal the ultrasonic action can damage it. It will poke holes in aluminum foil for example.
 

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For most things I clean I run plain water in mine and all my parts are in a glass beaker that is lowered in the tank. I put my cleaning solution in the beaker.

Bigger items the above doesn't apply of course but for any small items it works really well.

If you buy a larger one a drain on the tank is really nice.
 
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I used to work for a place that sold them.
Do you run them "hot"? Yes, heat helps
Do you use any type of solution? People here like Simple Green. The stuff we used to sell was a mix of castile soap and ammonia.
Anything to avoid? No flammable cleaning agents. Don't rest stuff on the bottom of the tank, Don't let sediment accumulate on the bottom of the tank. Don't run it dry.
How do you "dry" your tools when they come out? Air gun or an old towel.
Any other tips?
Buy an accessory basket or tray for small parts. I also bent up some wire to suspend small items like the wife's jewelry. If something is made of very thin metal the ultrasonic action can damage it. It will poke holes in aluminum foil for example.
+1 on all of this. That's pretty much all you need to know. For its intended purpose it cant be beat.
 

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I don't own an ultrasonic cleaner but I've thought about getting one.

In the meantime, if my tools get a little dity or even rusty I throw them into a plastic bin with phosphoric acid. Home Depot sells it with some name like Concrete conditioner or something. They comes out as new and the stuff is reusable for a long long time.
 

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I have a 30 liter model. I have never regretted buying it. There are lots of good suggestions in this thread. For small parts I often use ZIPLOC BAGS. I can use a separate cleaner, like a solvent in the ZIPLOC bag.
EVAPORUST works its magic many times faster in an ultrasonic environment.
 

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I agree with all the tips above and a couple cheap containers labelled allow you to switch cleaning agents without much cost. I also have a small hand strainer that i use to hold really small parts, think carburetor. this keeps them from settling on the bottom.
 

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We use purple power for the cleaner. It works pretty well.

Heat is very important, makes a huge difference.

It will remove paint.

Anything cast or sintered is at risk of failure after going through an ultrasonic cleaner. Right after we got one at the shop we had a bunch of parts from new and old batches fail at test in a new way. Stopped running them in the ultrasonic and no more failures.
 

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For most things I clean I run plain water in mine and all my parts are in a glass beaker that is lowered in the tank. I put my cleaning solution in the beaker.

Bigger items the above doesn't apply of course but for any small items it works really well.

If you buy a larger one a drain on the tank is really nice.
^^^ This! Except instead of beakers, I use glass jars with lids on them (mason jars or whatever your breakfast jam comes in, or glass quart milk jugs for long bolts). I use Evaporust on all of the steel parts on machines I restore. Evaporust can be diluted. So, all hardware goes into a glass jar with some Evaporust, some Cascade dish detergent (works great as ultrasonic soap---better than simple green in my testing), and then I put the lid on (no lost tiny washers/screws!). This way I use way less evaporust compared to filling the whole tank, and I can have different parts in jars with different solutions at the same time (or 'cleanish stuff doing final rinse' jar and 'filthy stuff' jar). Plastic jars work OK too but it depends---I have deformed them when running the heater.

Always use a basket---parts should NEVER touch the bottom of the tank, or it will damage your tank and/or transducers (which is why you see so many ultrasonics on ebay with messed up tanks).

My unit is a Crest 1.5 gallon unit, which is the biggest/heaviest I would want to go if I ever have to move it when full of water/parts (~25lb of machine + dirty boiling water + parts). I want a 7-gallon one too for bigger parts, but that one will stay put on the bench with the drain tube fed into a work sink.

Ultrasonics are 'annoyingly noisy'---not very loud, but the racket they make is annoying. I can be in the next room for extended periods of time, but only with headphones or a fan/something running to cover the noise.
 

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Worked in the medical field, long time ago. Most of the shop units operate in the 17 kHz to 19 kHz range. This can be a very grating type noise and will drive the dogs crazy. The medical field went up in frequency to about 22 kHz. You didn’t hear that and it made reprocessing much more productive. I got mine from the Bmet department at the hospital. It’s the 19 kHz range. I use straight ethelyne glycol for my solution. It is import to de-gas the fluid prior to use. Remove the cover and let the solution run for 5 minutes to collapse the bubbles. This is how the ultrasonic cleans. It collapses micro bubbles creating localized suction.
Heat was not used in the medical field as that would cook the proteins present.
 

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I have one that I've been meaning to use for cleaning sockets I also plan to organize them this spring, so far just used it for a video I made awhile back and to clean a gold ring LOL

FYI some chem cleaners are lye based and may harm aluminum.

The trick I've herd is to use less cleaning agent as the ultrasonic cleaner enhances it's effectiveness. I'll have to try using ziplock bags as suggested. Still read any container can reduce effectiveness a bit, so depending...

 
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I've just started using my ultrasonic cleaner and have been watching a few videos. This one includes a demonstration of how glass jars are better than plastic ones. Apparently, thick plastic absorbs some of the energy, but thin plastic bags are fine.

 

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I used to work for a place that sold them.
Do you run them "hot"? Yes, heat helps
Do you use any type of solution? People here like Simple Green. The stuff we used to sell was a mix of castile soap and ammonia.
Anything to avoid? No flammable cleaning agents. Don't rest stuff on the bottom of the tank, Don't let sediment accumulate on the bottom of the tank. Don't run it dry.
How do you "dry" your tools when they come out? Air gun or an old towel.
Any other tips?
Buy an accessory basket or tray for small parts. I also bent up some wire to suspend small items like the wife's jewelry. If something is made of very thin metal the ultrasonic action can damage it. It will poke holes in aluminum foil for example.
Can you suggest a reliable vendor for ultrasonic cleaners? I'm bewildered by the many similar looking Chinese models. My use profile would be hobbiest motorcycle and auto parts.
 
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There are many others but be aware many companies put their name on Chinese imports. There are likely good Chinese imports and bad.
I have a Chinese import and it's cleaning power is a bit less than when it was new, but it still works OK.
 

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I bought a heated model, 170+- F, the tools come out at that temp, I rinse with very hot water, and then tools self dry in about a minute or two. This thing is pretty good about shaking rust off of seriously old tools. Holds about 6 gals. and will accommodate tools up to 36" long. It gets allot of use, I flip allot of old automotive specialty tools.
 

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Can you suggest a reliable vendor for ultrasonic cleaners? I'm bewildered by the many similar looking Chinese models. My use profile would be hobbiest motorcycle and auto parts.
L&R. The ultrasonic "standard" for many industries. I bought mine in the early 1980s, and it's still working like new 40 years later. They are not the low cost alternative, however.

Branson is a decent alternative, generally well thought of. I've heard very good things about Elma (Germany), but never used one. They have a German price tag.
 

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We use purple power for the cleaner. It works pretty well.

Heat is very important, makes a huge difference.

It will remove paint.

Anything cast or sintered is at risk of failure after going through an ultrasonic cleaner. Right after we got one at the shop we had a bunch of parts from new and old batches fail at test in a new way. Stopped running them in the ultrasonic and no more failures.
Purple Power will damage aluminum I believe, Simple Green won't. I buy PP from Advance Auto with coupon for like 20 bucks for 5 gallons with coupon. Don't know if you can get it that cheap now
 

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Purple Power will damage aluminum I believe, Simple Green won't. I buy PP from Advance Auto with coupon for like 20 bucks for 5 gallons with coupon. Don't know if you can get it that cheap now
Simple green will absolutely damage aluminum an an ultrasonic cleaner in my experience. Purple power on the same settings and times does not cause the same surface damage for me.

We get PP in 2.5 gallon jugs from Fleet Farm for between 5 and 6 bucks a gallon.
 

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I use Simple Green Pro HD for aluminum, it's purple in color. Regular Simple Green (green in color) can damage aluminum. There have been several ultrasonic cleaner threads discussing the differences in the chemical make up of Simple Green, Purple Power, PineSol and other cleaning agents, what to use and what to avoid for each metal. I put my parts in glass or Pyrex containers along with the cleaning agent then set them in the tank full of water as mentioned above.
 

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For small parts I often use ZIPLOC BAGS. I can use a separate cleaner, like a solvent in the ZIPLOC bag.
make sure your plastic bags are temperature rated for above the Ultrasonic heater temp or at least what you are going to operate at. I found out, the hard way, that standard bags will split open when in a heated bath.
As far as the unit itself, when I asked here on GJ a few years ago, several members suggested manual dials for temp and time instead of digital. By bigger than you are contemplating, get a heated unit and the parts basket.
Buy once cry once
 

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make sure your plastic bags are temperature rated for above the Ultrasonic heater temp or at least what you are going to operate at. I found out, the hard way, that standard bags will split open when in a heated bath.
As far as the unit itself, when I asked here on GJ a few years ago, several members suggested manual dials for temp and time instead of digital. By bigger than you are contemplating, get a heated unit and the parts basket.
Buy once cry once
I absolutely agree with everything you wrote. One of my other container options has been plastic yoghurt or other dairy containers. I will not use a glass container in an ultrasonic bath. I have experienced glass shattering. When I thought about what happened to cause the glass to shatter, I think the glass did not tolerate the ultrasonic vibration.
I bought the largest unit this local vender was offering. The 30 liter unit I have now works and it will handle almost anything I might like to put in the tank. My first ultrasonic from this vendor was a 6.5 liter. This was a great unit, but I could not get longer tools in the bath in one event. I send every tool, I buy, through the ultrasonic bath. Knurled handles and detailed livery cleans up and out in a few seconds. This 30 liter ultrasonic will clean the 4 piece grill from our BBQ.
One of my favorite soaps to add is Simple Green. I do not use soap as a solvent, but I use it to make the water wetter. 125ml (1/4 cup) of Simple Green is enough for 30 liters.
 
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