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gunner3773

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I've been thinking about purchasing an ultrasonic cleaner for cleaning carbs. I have been looking at a couple of 6.5l units on ebay. One is made by Kendal and the other is a Sonic Wave. Anyone own either of these units? Any thoughts would be appreciated. I am not looking to spend over $350.00. If I buy one of these units, I plan on using the Sharpertek Shellac Buster to clean carbs and other parts.
 
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Here is the question to ask on the import units, especially for those shaddy eBay sellers.

Have them break up the unit's ultrasonic watts and heating watts. Often times lame eBay sellers will combine the two units and deceive people viewing the auction into making them think it has tremendous ultrasonic power, when 65% of the power is for the heating element.

On those SonicWave 6.5L units the split is 50W ultrasonic / 100 heating. Don't believe anything else, I returned one of these units to eBay seller "Sylvan Company" years ago because of the false power claims. There is even a sticker on the back of the unit stating that the total power used 150W for the entire unit. Then it was a matter of a little detective work with my clamp on AC Amp meter to get the Amps under operation for the ultrasonic and heating elements seperately, convert to watts and the split became clear.
 
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gunner3773

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Here is the question to ask on the import units, especially for those shaddy eBay sellers.

Have them break up the unit's ultrasonic watts and heating watts. Often times lame eBay sellers will combine the two units and deceive people viewing the auction into making them think it has tremendous ultrasonic power, when 65% of the power is for the heating element.

On those SonicWave 6.5L units the split is 50W ultrasonic / 100 heating. Don't believe anything else, I returned one of these units to eBay seller "Sylvan Company" years ago because of the false power claims. There is even a sticker on the back of the unit stating that the total power used 150W for the entire unit. Then it was a matter of a little detective work with my clamp on AC Amp meter to get the Amps under operation for the ultrasonic and heating elements seperately, convert to watts and the split became clear.

Good to know...I was wondering why that Kendal was about $100.00 more. I am also looking at the Sharpertek unit which I believe is made in Michigan. Still looking in to which unit to buy. From what I have read, it is the only way to really clean carbs well.
 

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I have a small sonic cleaner with a heating unit I got from a jewelry supply house, I have had it for about 5 years or so.
I use it to clean carbs. I do old British bikes and they have an idle circuit that gets plugged solid with modern gas goo
It will hold two Amal carbs complete and does a fantastic job. I have not used it for other parts preferring my regular parts washer.
I paid 245 bucks for it, and use a solution that they provided to clean the parts. You will need something in there do clean the parts- I use hot water and the liquid they sold me
As I said works like a dream - I have cleaned so many carbs if I had a buck for each on I could buy a Vincent
 

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Gunner: You'll be happy with the SharperTek items, we went with a multi-gallon sized unit (think 3.5gallon). SharperTek stuff is designed in the USA, manufactured in China (or somewhere in Asia).

We clean carbs in it (SU, Zenith Stromberg) which as Vincent notes have a multitude of small passages that need to be cleaned. Samed with Overdrive bodies and their hydraulic passages. Works great.
 

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x2 for the SharperTek stuff.I used the bucket stuff for many years[gunk Hydroseal and the crc tymestuff]and it had to sit over night most of the time .Now withe the right cleaner it takes 20 min.That another thing try diff. cleaners for diff. effects.,and get one big enough,I now wish I had gotten a bigger one.
 
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gunner3773

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Just ordered the 6 liter Sharpertek today. Says it will be here tomorrow. As soon as the weather breaks, I have a set of 1972 Honda CL350 Keihen carbs waiting to be rebuilt. Then a couple of throttle bottles and several small engine carbs. Hope it was worth the $$$.
 

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Just ordered the 6 liter Sharpertek today. Says it will be here tomorrow. As soon as the weather breaks, I have a set of 1972 Honda CL350 Keihen carbs waiting to be rebuilt. Then a couple of throttle bottles and several small engine carbs. Hope it was worth the $$$.


How much did that cost you? Have you had a chance to use it yet? I keep returning to the idea of wanting one, so am looking for as much feedback about specific units as possible.
 
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gunner3773

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The 6 liter unit cost me 345.00. I haven't used it yet on carbs because the weather in MN is so cold. However, I have not seen an ultrasonic post on the web where someone cleaning carbs was disappointed that they bought an ultrasonic cleaner. I did purchase the Sharpertek since they do have a real business in Michigan. I also believe that the chemicals used play a big part in the cleaning process. I did call Sharpertek and spoke with their tech support and found that their Shellac and Varnish remover is the best product they have for cleaning carbs. The 1220 solution is also for cleaning carbs but not as effective. They said they have the 1220 solution for those that see the Shellac and Varnish solution as too costly. The Shellac and Varnish remover can be used over and over again. After the initial cost, it seems like the way to go.
 

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I would LOVE to have one of these as well lots of good info here as well. What Model did you get from Sharpertek ?
 
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The 6 liter unit cost me 345.00. I haven't used it yet on carbs because the weather in MN is so cold. However, I have not seen an ultrasonic post on the web where someone cleaning carbs was disappointed that they bought an ultrasonic cleaner. I did purchase the Sharpertek since they do have a real business in Michigan. I also believe that the chemicals used play a big part in the cleaning process. I did call Sharpertek and spoke with their tech support and found that their Shellac and Varnish remover is the best product they have for cleaning carbs. The 1220 solution is also for cleaning carbs but not as effective. They said they have the 1220 solution for those that see the Shellac and Varnish solution as too costly. The Shellac and Varnish remover can be used over and over again. After the initial cost, it seems like the way to go.

Is that solution harmful to the rubber parts? One of the things I like about the simplegreen/water mix is I can just pull a carb off, remove the cap and bowl and throw them in. It takes a little longer but no harm to the rubber.
 

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I'd love to have a unit that I could fit a block or transmission in. It's too bad that these units are crazy expensive, I'd love to see some pics of your 6L setup
 
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The model I purchased is the SH150-6L

According to the Sharpertek tech guy, their solution does not harm rubber parts. I know that a big deal with the ultrasonic cleaners is the ability to heat the solution. Sharpertek recommends 50 C which is 122 degrees F. Getting warmer with their solutions actually reduces the cleaning ability of the fluid or the cavitation action from what I understand. CL350 carbs will be first to be tried. I need the weather to change first.

The real concern I have is how much I will need to use the ultrasonic cleaner since I have already had inquires from friends about cleaning some of their small engine carbs...LOL I guess word spreads fast...
 

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The real concern I have is how much I will need to use the ultrasonic cleaner since I have already had inquires from friends about cleaning some of their small engine carbs...LOL I guess word spreads fast...

You just charge them $25 each time they use it. You'll have it paid for in no time. If they complain they can always buy their own.
 

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Has anyone bought and used the harbor freight models? Their not very big, ' bout the size of a small baking dish, but only 75 bucks or so for the big one and 30 for the smaller one.
 

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Has anyone bought and used the harbor freight models? Their not very big, ' bout the size of a small baking dish, but only 75 bucks or so for the big one and 30 for the smaller one.

I have the bigger one. It actually does work pretty well. The only cleaner I have used in it is Simple green w/distilled water. It won't come close to holding a rack of carbs. I did put a two cylinder rack in it but they didn't set in far enough to be covered. I rotated them a couple different times and cycled it through to do the whole thing. For the money I am happy with it. I would love to have one that I can get a whole 4 cylinder rack in though.
 

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I used to work for a company that sold and serviced them. Lots of people damaged them by misuse and at least one person burned down their shop thinking gasoline would be a good cleaner. You guys probably already know this, but for those who never owned one:

Keep it filled to the top when using it.
Never turn the heater on unless it's filled to the top.
Never use with flamable liquids
Never let crud accumulate on the bottom of the tank. This will blow the transducers for sure. This is the most common cause of failure.
Never let anything lay on the bottom of the tank. This can blow the transducers.
Clean parts by supending them on a wire or in a basket. Get the optional basket if one is available.

The barium titanate transducers are permanently attached to the bottom of the tank. If you blow the transducers, the entire tank/transducer assembly will have to be replaced. $$$.

The unit's power supply puts out a kHz frequency to the transducers. This may occassionaly interfere with other electronics, but most units today are pretty well shielded.

BTW, your wife will want to borrow it for cleaning her jewelry. Workks great for this, but be careful with natural emeralds, opal, or stones that may have natural fissures. The cleaning action can open up cracks.

It can clean too good if stuff is left in too long. I've had mine strip paint off of eyeglass frames and peel off the anti-scratch coating on lenses.
 

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The 6 liter unit cost me 345.00. I haven't used it yet on carbs because the weather in MN is so cold. However, I have not seen an ultrasonic post on the web where someone cleaning carbs was disappointed that they bought an ultrasonic cleaner. I did purchase the Sharpertek since they do have a real business in Michigan. I also believe that the chemicals used play a big part in the cleaning process. I did call Sharpertek and spoke with their tech support and found that their Shellac and Varnish remover is the best product they have for cleaning carbs. The 1220 solution is also for cleaning carbs but not as effective. They said they have the 1220 solution for those that see the Shellac and Varnish solution as too costly. The Shellac and Varnish remover can be used over and over again. After the initial cost, it seems like the way to go.
If you're still around, how about an update on the unit.. quality, use, would you buy again.
And HOW much? Sheese, the 6 l unit I found is listed at $695 "on Sale" http://www.sharpertek.com/caclsysh.html
Is that the same unit or a different 6l version.

Thanks

Erik
 

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We have one at the shop. We bought a Crest Ultrasonics branded cleaner. 7 gallon capacity-we didn't want the little one since sometimes we get a quartet of carbs in for cleaning (4 cylinder motorcycles and outboard motors); and most of the smaller units we looked at were too small to fit all 4 carbs inside of it without having to separate them, which takes up more time and opens up a whole other can of worms. Our objective was not so much to be able to work faster, but to do BETTER work. Many times in this area we'll see some 4 cylinder 4 stroke outboard motors that will sit for years on end without use. Bikes occasionally too but mostly outboard stuff is what we focus on mostly. There's no money in old Japanese bikes; we have done them and lost our tail every time. Anyway-the way the outboard carbs are built, there are tiny internal passages that are plugged with welch plugs. The manufacturer doesn't offer those plugs separate from the carburetor body ($$$$). So if you had to order 4 carb bodies, the customer was looking at thousands of dollars. We picked up this ultrasonic cleaner for just this type of thing. It will reach into those passages and bust the stuff loose without having to remove the welch plugs; which saves us time and the customer potentially thousands of dollars in some cases. I'm highly impressed with it's operation. Saturday I did a set of carbs for a Yamaha F50 outboard, 4 cylinder 4 carb, been sitting for almost 4 years. They were NASTY, green stuff in the bowls and I about puked when I pulled the cowling off. Removed the bowls, the gaskets, jets, and prime starter parts, then dropped them all inside of the cleaner. 30 minutes later, I pulled them out and they were 100% spotless, jets looked brand new, bodies looked brand new, everything clean as a whistle. Reassembled with new bowl gaskets and float valves, adjusted the sync and idle mixtures and it literally sounds like a kitten at idle but you have to listen closely. The thing is super quiet. In years past, carbs that were this bad typically had to be replaced, and on one occasion, the customer spent around $2500 for a new set of carbs. While it ran perfect, it was obiously expensive. The ultrasonic, we are done, from tools out of the box to putting tools back away in under 2 hours, $150 labor and then about $125 in parts. With taxes the customer was out of the shop for less than $300. I'm not a mathematician, but that's a whole lot better than $2500.

I'm using it today to clean my dad's Holley 94, came off of his '51 Ford pickup, 8BA flathead. Wish I could get him to put a Stromberg on it; but he wants to keep it 100% original as it was delivered from Ford in 1951.
 
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