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Under The Microscope: Flush cutter comparison

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This is a follow-up to my Tronex review. If you would like to see the unboxing, various images and to learn more about this company making precision cutters and pliers in the USA, see this thread. Because of the precision of the tools, I had a hard time getting good photos using my cellphone camera; time to bust out a microscope.


Under the microscope
This turned out to be MUCH harder than anticipated. The microscope is a standard slide-type inverted stereoscope. It has no camera so I had to take pics via the eye pieces. This is surprisingly hard. Anyways, since I was going to this trouble, I decided to turn this review into more of a comparative. On the chopping block today are some Chinese made Radio Shack flush cutters (red handles), USA-made Xuron flush cutters (teal handles) and the USA-made Tronex cutters and pliers.

In this section ,I also test how strong the cutting edges are on the tools. To do this, I performed 100 cuts on some spare copper wire and then compare the before and after of the edges under a microscope. I was curious if I would see any signs of wear and tear on the cutters.

First, three images showing the various magnification levels used. These all focus on the Tronex text on the handle.







Radio Shack 5" Nippy Cutters (China)

First up we have the china made Radio Shack 5" Nippy Cutters. I didn't have much hope for these as they are more or less the bottom of the barrel in quality. They were as expected.












In the first microscope image, we are checking how well the cutters come together. These are being held closed by my hand and they should come gracefully closed at the tip. They should not be fully overlapped nor should they be fully apart. Fully apart means that you likely have to squeeze harder to make the cut. Fully overlapped means that the edges are hitting each and over time this can dull the cutting edges. What we see here is that they never come fully together. Meanwhile, in the second we can very clearly see the rough grinding marks. By the third and fourth microscope images, the lack of quality even on the cutting edge has become clear. The cutting edge is large, rough and uneven.

On to the 100 cut test:





The benefit of having such a rough cutting edge is that you can't really tell what is damage from the cuts and what is just bad manufacturing. Additionally, the final image shows a representative cut on a copper wire. Some "tail" is expected due to the nature of a cutting edge but this tail should be minimal. You can see the wire is cut but it leaves a VERY long thin tail in the middle. This is likely a direct result of the gap between the cutting surfaces. Across the board, this cutter screams cheap! I didn't expect quality and it didn't provide it. It doesn't so much cut the wire as mangle it into submission.

Xuron 170-II Micro-Shear Flush Cutter (USA)

Next up is the Xuron 170-II Micro-Shear Flush cutter. I had more hopes for these as they are made in the USA. Unfortunately, while they are better made than the RS ones in some ways, in others they are MUCH worse. This just goes to show that not everything that is USA made is high quality. The cutters have a Rockwell C Scale hardness of 53-56, which implies stainless steel. They were purchased directly from Amazon.











With these, the grinding marks and the edge are MUCH more fine than on the RS versions. Unfortunately, this is where the good points end. In the second image you can see that the tips of the cutters don't line up properly. While there is NO light visible between the cutters, these use a shear cut instead of a compression cut so the overlap is expected. The tips not lining up is much more worrisome.




Two problems here. First, we can see the softness of the steel coming into play. After 100 cuts, we are starting to see small pits in the cutting edge. If you look closely you can see them, they are much more obvious in person under the microscope but this was the best I could do to capture them. In the second image, we see something MUCH more worrisome. So much for flush cutting. This is the new Z-cut style:rocker: This is completely unacceptable for a supposed flush cutter. The 'Z' easily catches your finger nail, so the cut is far from flush. The cutter surfaces don't match up and quality control didn't catch this or worse possibly didn't care. This is unacceptable to me, even the Chinese cutters at least got THIS right. If I had to chose between these two I am not sure if I could. So maybe support the American manufacturer I guess.

Tronex 7222 (USA)
The last for comparison is the Tronex Ergonomic Handled Taper Relief Flush Cutter Model 7222. I have the highest expectations for these and at this price point, they better perform more or less flawlessly.











Now THIS is what we are looking for. In the second image, the cutting tips gracefully come to a close at the very tip. We can see that the grinding marks are very fine (similar to the Xuron, maybe slightly better). The edges are very nice and sharp. You may see a few blurry distortions or spots along the edges. THis is the tool oil on the surface and/or dust sticking to the tool oil. In the final image, near the bottom you can see a small clear item along the edge. This is either a micro-droplet of tool oil or it might be a large unicellular organism (no joke as this is the magnification we use to count cells). Either way, the edge is clearly straight and uniform even at this magnification. VERY nicely done so far, on to the 100 cuts.





There is ZERO signs of wear after 100 cuts. Not ANYWHERE along the cutting edge. Considering this cutter is rated for hundreds of thousands of cuts, this is exactly as expected. It's still damn nice to see confirmed. Lastly, the cuts made are EXACTLY as I would expect them to be. There is a slight hump from the cut and that is it. If even that slight hump is unacceptable they offer a Razor Flush version which will make it dramatically smaller than even this. Frankly, at this point these cutters are clearly showing their greatly superior quality. If you can afford them, they are likely the last cutter you will ever buy.


Tronex 521 (USA)
The last one up is the
needle-nose-pliers
one isn't involved in the comparison but I still got a few images of it under the microscope.











Clearly, the same precision that went into the cutters went into these needle-nose pliers. The sides of the pliers meet perfectly at the tip in a well machined junction. The edges are rounded where needed and sharp where needed. VERY high quality stuff. Unlike more industrial needle-nose pliers these pliers have smooth jaws. This is to minimize marring on components or jewelry.


Conclusion

In conclusion, while in person the differences in quality are obvious. Under a microscope, the differences really become crystal clear. The Tronex tools are clearly hands over fists better quality, warranting every penny of the cost. Not only are you supporting an american manufacturer who supports american materials companies; you are getting a quality product that will last generations.
 
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Xuron 170-II Micro-Shear Flush cutter

Two problems here. First, we can see the softness of the steel coming into play. After 100 cuts, we are starting to see small pits in the cutting edge.

In the second image, we see something MUCH more worrisome. So much for flush cutting. This is the new Z-cut style:rocker: This is completely unacceptable for a supposed flush cutter.
First off, nice work. :rocker:

The pitting ... what do you expect from stamped steel cutters in our current climate of cutting corners? :headscrat I probably should expect better, but I still see this type as disposable vs. the premium models/brands.

As per the spike, I'm not aware of a new "Z" style cut. :scared: Looks like a blade alignment issue under load to me (lateral spread of jaws during cut).

Tronex 521 (USA)

The Tronex tools are clearly hands over fists better quality, warranting every penny of the cost. Not only are you supporting an american manufacturer who supports american materials companies; you are getting a quality product that will last generations.
I definitely agree with the value being there. But we also use hell out of small cutters and pliers. :evil: YMMV for those that don't use them very often.

FWIW, I'm a fan of Schmitz for pliers. Cutters are nice too, and both are cheaper than Tronex (get rebranded a lot). You can do better by ordering direct from the manufacturer in Germany (better selection IME, and they take PayPal, so not that big a deal to do). Pliers came to ~$28 per (price + shipping + currency conversion fee).

That said, I'm not parting with my Tronex cutters. :eyecrazy:

I just ordered these...even though they are used, I took a chance at this price point..http://www.ebay.com/itm/351002591768?_trksid=p2059210.m2749.l2649&ssPageName=STRK:MEBIDX:IT
The ones coming off of eBay are usually acquired from resharpening companies as I understand it. So long as they're not worn out (can only sharpen a handful of times), you should be very happy. Only issue I can think of to watch for, is joint slop (beyond what the resharpener co can fix, and why it may have ended up on eBay).

They can still work with a sloppier joint quite happily, but will tend to not cut the smallest wire the cutter is rated for completely (i.e. leave a connected spike between both halves of wire where you made the cut). Flex the wire and it will break, but if you've compliance standards to deal with, it won't pass. Would be 26AWG on the S512E's for example.
 
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Admit it.....you felt a little nerdy looking at pliers under a microscope! :lol::lol:;)
Very cool piece you put together, that took a lot of effort. Love stuff like that.:bowdown:
 

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I use the radio shack ones exclusively on zip ties, and even on the plastic, they are pretty dull after a couple years of use. I'm looking for new ones and these Tronex look awesome, but may be overkill for just plastic zip ties.
 

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I use the radio shack ones exclusively on zip ties, and even on the plastic, they are pretty dull after a couple years of use. I'm looking for new ones and these Tronex look awesome, but may be overkill for just plastic zip ties.
There's a few tier 1 brands, some better than others (and price doesn't always translate, even at this level).

Not sure what your budget is, or how frequently you use them, but Swanstrom's offerings are very similar to Tronex. New, cost is similar (tad less IIRC), and can be found used more often than Tronex.

Schmitz (German) is another to seriously consider, especially regarding value (they're the ODM for other brands such as CK Tools and NWS's ESD line <yellow & black grips>). Pliers ran me ~$28 per all in ordering directly from them (they have an online store that takes PayPal; VAT vanishes when you enter in a non-EU address, so no issues there). I really can't stress enough just how excellent these really are (take a look at this review). :D Check out the other electronic cutter & plier reviews on his blog.

Ideal-Tek (not a lot of models, but they get rebranded as the EX series for Lindstrom for example, and are excellent) and Erem (both Swiss) would round it out.

Lindstrom is there too (Spain), but I'd recommend passing these days (you can do better for similar or even less money). Reputation was built when they were still manufactured in Sweden prior to acquisitions (Sandvik thru current owner, Snap-On). EX line is the only cutters they don't make (Ideal-Tek also supplies all of Lindstrom's tweezers, which are absolutely top notch).

FWIW, All-Spec is a good place to find these types of tools. Specifically, they carry Erem, Lindstrom, and rebrand Ideal-Tek under their own label. Tronex can be found with an Excelta label on it (tend to cost more due to markup). Essentially a one-stop shop once you know what gets relabeled. ;)
 
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What a fantastic post. Thank you! I know it took some time, and we appreciate it.

Nanofrog had a lot of great input on another thread with Tronex and Swanstrom. Have you used Swanstrom and what do you think of them?

I just ordered these...even though they are used, I took a chance at this price point..http://www.ebay.com/itm/351002591768?_trksid=p2059210.m2749.l2649&ssPageName=STRK:MEBIDX:IT

Quite welcome! I enjoyed doing this to be honest. I'm a scientist so I like digging up evidence and seeing if it fits the claims.

I have not used Swanstrom before but those are some great prices.

Also, I know nanofrog well. He and I run in some similar circles online.

As per the spike, I'm not aware of a new "Z" style cut. :scared: Looks like a blade alignment issue under load to me (lateral spread of jaws during cut).

Speaketh of the devil. :evil: Answered your PM by the way.

As for the Z, I agree. It's definitely a blade alignment issue and one that should have been caught in QC if you ask me. Though for a second I thought it would be an interesting way to solder solid core wire together. Kinda like a dovetail joint. That was good for a little self chuckle.

I definitely agree with the value being there. But we also use hell out of small cutters and pliers. YMMV for those that don't use them very often.
Of course, the proper tools for the job. I like them a lot and find them well worth their value. An industrial electrician who mainly works on 8AWG or larger wire, would find them useless.

Admit it.....you felt a little nerdy looking at pliers under a microscope! :lol::lol:;)
Very cool piece you put together, that took a lot of effort. Love stuff like that.:bowdown:
Haha...no comment.:D

Ideal-Tek (not a lot of models, but they get rebranded as the EX series for Lindstrom for example, and are excellent) and Erem (both Swiss) would round it out.

I hate you, those tweezers look so freaking nice for soldering. Just added those to the list, along with the scratch brush of things to save for.

Hopefully that is a good wow and not a WTF is wrong with him wow. :lol:
 
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I use the radio shack ones exclusively on zip ties, and even on the plastic, they are pretty dull after a couple years of use. I'm looking for new ones and these Tronex look awesome, but may be overkill for just plastic zip ties.

Somehow forgot to respond to this one. These might be a bit overkill, though it depends on how important the long tool life is to you (plus the other factors like made in the USA from USA sourced tool steel). If you decide to go with Tronex, shoot them an email and see what they think would be the ideal cutter for you. They make so many different head types, its easy to get confused. They are VERY helpful and VERY knowledgeable to say the least.
 

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Though for a second I thought it would be an interesting way to solder solid core wire together. Kinda like a dovetail joint. That was good for a little self chuckle.
Channeling your inner Norm Abram I see.... :3gears:

Of course, the proper tools for the job. I like them a lot and find them well worth their value. An industrial electrician who mainly works on 8AWG or larger wire, would find them useless.
I was thinking more in terms of frequency of use & how it affects budget for tool purchases (right tool, just not used often, and no compliance issues involved).

I hate you, those tweezers look so freaking nice for soldering. Just added those to the list, along with the scratch brush of things to save for.
Try to look for used. Seriously, that's how I got mine, and groups tend to be better on the wallet than one at a time. Must be patient.

VOMM (rebranded as Wiha), Erem, and Dumont are really nice for example (not all inclusive, but tend to show up on eBay more frequently). With Dumont in particular, look for Antimagnetic, as watchmakers use stainless versions that aren't (S, aka INOX, instead of SA). Rust is a clue of course, but there might be some that don't have any, and you can't tell from the pics (ask the seller to take a magnet to them).

Generally speaking, quality wise from the top down, is Swiss/German (VOMM is German), followed by Italian, and finally by Pakistani/Chinese IME. It's in the details (i.e. better fit/finish on the Swiss, as well as tighter tolerances, such as 0.001" vs. 0.003' for Italian, tips fit and are symmetrical when closed vs. not, ... sorts of things).
 

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Great work. I love these detailed reviews!!

I've purchased used Lindstrom and Swantrom cutters from the Ebay seller mentioned earlier in the thread and they're excellent quality and value. I'd rank Swanstrom higher then Lindstrom.

I use Tronex 521 needle nose pliers all the time and they're excellent. Tronex cutters are excellent but it's kind of tough to justify the prices given the Swanstroms on Ebay. However Tronex makes a gazillion different cutter styles for very specialized applications.

I just ordered these...even though they are used, I took a chance at this price point..http://www.ebay.com/itm/351002591768...:MEBIDX:IT

Anyone know more about these cutters. This guy must sell 1000's per year. Where do they come from?? They're excellent quality and if he resharpens them he does great work. Are these bulk factory rejects that he reworks?
 
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I'd rank Swanstrom higher then Lindstrom.
Same in my experience as well. :thumbup:

Anyone know more about these cutters. This guy must sell 1000's per year. Where do they come from?? They're excellent quality and if he resharpens them he does great work. Are these bulk factory rejects that he reworks?
Listing has been removed, so no idea. :dunno:
 
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Those 3 quality cutters for $20 is a great deal. I'm just curious where he gets them?
 

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There were also Larson electronic pliers:
http://www.antonfritsch-elektrowaerme.de/resources/Datenblatt-englisch.pdf
(seems to belong now to Ideal-Tek ?)
Heard of them, but never gotten my hands on them. Never saw anything about Ideal-Tek taking them over, but typing in their web address (Larson.se), takes me to Ideal-Tek. So it seems yet another brand bites the dust. :sad:

Catalog still makes me wonder if they were as good as Lindstrom was before production was pulled from Sweden (million cuts was possible on those as well). It's the entire tool hardening that has my interest, not just induction hardening of the jaws. Physical resemblance doesn't hurt either. ;)

Might need to see about picking up a couple before they're all gone.

FWIW, Caulfields carries them in the EU (19.99EUR).

In the US, they can be found at Edsyn.

looks like this is the new link....http://www.ebay.com/itm/NEW-PRICE-7...768?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item51b9628218

This guy has a bunch of stuff...anything else I should jump on just because???
If you want to try brands, it's a good way to do it IMHO, as they sell some Erem and Lindstrom as well.

Those 3 quality cutters for $20 is a great deal. I'm just curious where he gets them?
I've noticed the model numbers always seem to be the same. This and the regular supply, I'm guessing an industrial source and sharpening them themselves, or getting them from a resharpening company directly.

I've bought from them before. The joint on a pair of Swanstrom's was a tad sloppy (just out of spec), and couldn't be tightened to fix, but they still worked extremely well on larger gauge wire just fine (still have them).

Bought some Erem's to try the ergonomic grips (2422E oval and 2422EB taper). They cut easier than a hot knife though butter, but not in love with the grips. Usable, but I've large hands and they slip just enough to annoy me for prolonged use.

Very happy with the seller, and wouldn't hesitate to buy again if they ever got styles that are useful to me I don't currently own.
 

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Great prices on high quality things I don't actually need, are not helping me. ;)
 

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Heard of them, but never gotten my hands on them. Never saw anything about Ideal-Tek taking them over, but typing in their web address (Larson.se), takes me to Ideal-Tek. So it seems yet another brand bites the dust. :sad:
Their own website is gone which made me wonder....They always had a link on www.momento.se but its gone. It was a daughter company i think ? Ideal-Tek owns the name Larson since a while....
 
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So thanks to nanofrog I picked up a set of Excelta branded NOS cutters for under $15 shipped off of ebay. These are the Excelta 7182E which are the same as the Tronex 7082. These are still considered flush cutters but the flush cutting ability is MUCH finer than the other flush set I have. I have to say if this is also flush, I really want to see the razor flush. The major differences between the two are that the Excelta has the teal and black grips which are a tad spongier than the Tronex. Whether this is due to age or design I don't know.

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The quality of manufacture is just as good as the other Tronex I have seen. Very high end. Here we see the angle section. Even on the none cutting surfaces we see high quality.
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On to the cutting surface, just as high quality as before:
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Lastly, here is the cut it makes, it is amazing how perfectly flat this cut is. That nub is very small. I have a feeling the razor flush would be just that.

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Honestly, I really can't complain at all about this cutter. Just as with the other two, it snaps nicely through the metal. A damn good cutter and for under $15 it was a steal!
 
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So thanks to nanofrog I picked up a set of Excelta branded NOS cutters for under $15 shipped off of ebay. These are the Excelta 7182E which are the same as the Tronex 7082. These are still considered flush cutters but the flush cutting ability is MUCH finer than the other flush set I have. I have to say if this is also flush, I really want to see the razor flush. The major differences between the two are that the Excelta has the teal and black grips which are a tad spongier than the Tronex. Whether this is due to age or design I don't know.

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Seller sent me a different pair (share the model number only). :wtf:
 
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Seller sent me a different pair (share the model number only). :wtf:

That's really a shame because the ones I got are top notch. Very high quality and virtually indistinguishable from the Tronex even under the microscope.

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That's really a shame because the ones I got are top notch. Very high quality and virtually indistinguishable from the Tronex even under the microscope.
What you received is a rebranded Tronex 7082.

My other Excelta's are rebranded Tronex cutters of the same construction as what you have (allen screws for the lap joints, same finish, ... only the handle color and markings change for the same actual tool).

Excelta 7170E = Tronex 7070 (small tip cutter, razor flush)
Excelta Altima 7140E = Tronex 7511 (large oval cutter, semi flush)

The light blue green grips are a little thicker/larger diameter than the black on the Altima variants (Altima was aimed at jewelry making, and no longer marketed <just different grips>).
 

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Also have an Excelta 7240E, which is a 7140E in different ergonomic grips.
 

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Last, but not least, this is what I got for the 7182E off of eBay.
 

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Excelta still sells some of this basic style as the 9xxxE series. Cheaper than the 5xxx & 7xxx versions (see below), but Tronex doesn't sell them with their own name on them.

Tronex sells for less than Excelta anyway regarding MSRP's, so there's no need for Tronex to do so IMHO. But rebranders such as Excelta OTOH, it has it's place due to the level of markup they add.

For price comparison:
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Wow I see what you mean, it seems like Excelta messed up the labeling there or something. Those are clearly like the 9xxx series, not the 7xxx series Exceltas.
 

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I use the flush cuts at the shop for cutting zip ties. I have the z brand ones shown here, but i stopped using them ans started using the ones picked up from Harbor Frieght, they do a hundred times better smooth and clean cut.



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Wow I see what you mean, it seems like Excelta messed up the labeling there or something. Those are clearly like the 9xxx series, not the 7xxx series Exceltas.
Actually, I suspect it's an older version that Tronex no longer makes due to a design flaw (suspect originals resulted in an unacceptable rate of warranty returns due to blade damage from missing set screw).

Also, the newer/current 5000/7000 series' have a better finish to them (you can see it in the pics; more of a sand blasted bare metal appearance on the pair I posted). Current line actually seems to have some sort of bead blast appearance to me, possibly with a rust inhibiting coating (not necessarily a metal plating, but it might be). You can even see it on the inside jaw of you angle cutters where the set screw comes through.

Finish stuff is nit-picky, but at this level, it's all you should be left with IMHO (functionality should be ~ flawless). :rocker:
 

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I hate this site. I now have 8 pairs of cutters on the way that I never knew I needed (so I can compare and see what I like, of course!). I'm still trying to figure out how to get the Excelta 7182E for anywhere near $15.
Unfortunately, those deals are extremely RARE, and rather far between.

Tronex version, 7082, can be had for ~$70 (here or here). Not $13, but still better than the $101.10 the Excelta 7182E rebrand goes for at All-Spec. ;)
 
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