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DaveE

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Many years ago I installed a large air compressor in the lower level of my barn. Last year I finished building a garage and would like to run an air line from the compressor over to it. The garage is only maybe 8 feet from the barn wall and I wanted to run a line out through the wall of the lower level, which will be underground, over to the garage and come up through the floor. I'm not sure what sort of pipe to use. Also I'm not sure what complications might arise. Any thoughts? I really don't want to move the compressor because I have more space in the barn for it, plus it's nice to be "insulated" from the noise.
 
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DaveE

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I've read that people use copper. I have black iron in the barn from the lower to upper levels. I'm not sure which would be more appropriate for underground. PVC was never a consideration. The ground freezes around here:)
 

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PVC is not rated for compressed air anyway and I've posted tons of links here that back that up. I just wanted to jump ahead of the "PVC is OK" crowd. Some quick Google detective work will explain that for you.

Anyway, copper and/or black pipe should be fine.
 

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If the pressure is, say, 120 PSI or below, I'd use High Density Polyethylene underground with anodeless service risers at each end.

Same thing they use for natural gas distribution mains and services.

OR...you could use welded steel. I for sure wouldn't bury any threaded fittings with that kind of pressure on them. If you do use welded steel, leave it bare OR coat it and bury a magnesium anode with it. Don't coat it and then not put an anode on it.

Phil
 

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You could just run a pipe with an air hose in it, right?
 

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Run some black water hose(polyethelyne I think) in 1 1/4" or 1 1/2" and push a rubber air line through or use air line for semi trucks. Easy to swap out if needed and run other stuff if needed.
 

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You may run into a problem with the moisture freezing up the line in the winter depending on how deep you put the line and how cold it gets there.


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I ran conduitfrom my house to tge garage and pulled rubber hose through it. As often as I need air in the house, it works fine. However if this is going to be regularly used, I would bury some large copper pipe and put a manifold on it .keep it sloped so the water drains out.
 

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i just ran PVC underground at 42" deep. Everything above ground is cooper (NOT PVC)....
Who cares if the PVC by chance does blow underground, its not going to hurt anything like it would above. So far so good after several years. My compressor is in my Detached 100ft from my attached so no noise in the house.
 
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VWandDodge

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i just ran PVC underground at 42" deep. Everything above ground is cooper (NOT PVC)....
Who cares if the PVC by chance does blow underground, its not going to hurt anything like it would above. So far so good after several years. My compressor is in my Detached 100ft from my attached so no noise in the house.


:sigh: Here we go again. I love how you guys love to use something for which it is not designed or approved.
http://www.osha.gov/dts/hib/hib_data/hib19880520.html

PVC piping buried 3 feet underground at a Yakima manufacturing plant exploded, opening up a crater approximately 4 feet deep by 3 feet across.

Looks like you'll be a future Darwin Award Nominee.
 

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I replied to this thread just for this purpose....lol

If my PVC line blows (which please tell me how a line surround by dirt is going to blow - im guessing it would crack), how is it going to hurt me or anyone else 42" below the ground?????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????

As I said, I have copper coming out of the compressor and into the ground 42". Then I have 95 ft of PVC underground. That then transfers to a 5ft piece of copper, which comes out of the ground and into my attached garage.

WHAT IS WRONG WITH THAT? if it leaks, well then i have a problem. Its not going to kill anyone. Besides... read the title of the link you posted....

"OSHA Safety Hazard Information Bulletin on
the Use of Polyvinyl Chloride (PVC) Pipe
in ABOVE ground Installations"

I have ZERO PVC anywhere above ground.
 

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And you conveniently ignored every other fact -- particularly that PVC is not approved for compressed gas delivery and the part I quoted about a buried line blowing a large crater. But since it's "never been a problem for you" that makes it perfectly acceptable. :rolleyes2
 

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ya, that was a manufacturing plant... how much pressure are they running? I dont see 130psi blowing a 4 ft crater in my backyard. But whatever, when that happens, guess i can fill it with water and have a pool.:thumbup:
 

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if the pvc were to rupture underground then at the very least it would be a large 'load' on the compressor. the compressor would run continuous until either noticed or till the compressor burned up.

to answer the op's ?, i would bury copper pipe inside conduit.
 

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I just buried a 2" electrical (grey plastic sched. 40?) pipe 3ft down. Going to run 100 amp power service 25 feet under ground from main garage to storage garage and run a goodyear 1/2" rubber air line right along side the service wire. Should be no problem. I've done it before.
 

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I dont care either way but I believe pvc is allowed under OSHA if it is below ground.
 

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PVC is allowed by OSHA if it's encased in some outer conduit, so that if it ruptures the outer conduit absorbs the shards.

If it was me, I'd dig a hole near the compressor and put some kind of conduit or in-ground compartment in, run a line down into that compartment, switch to schedule-40 PVC, run that fairly deep underground in the Earth all of the way to the other end, install a similar compartment there, and switch back. That lets the Earth absorb any PVC rupture along the line, lets the compartment absorb one at either end, and keeps something like a cast iron pipe from being put directly into Earth where it would probably rust.

On another note, I'm using PVC in my workshop, partially because lots of it was already there. I'm not especially worried about any given pipe rupturing. I'm more worried about a PVC to brass joint failing, or a PVC coupling giving out where the glue is. All of the PVC in my shop is rated for 600psi, and since my compressor tops out max at 155 when the overpressure valve would kick in, and since the compressor is currently shutting itself off at 125psi, the chances of a catastrophic blowout are very, very low.

Some day maybe I'll replace it with something stronger, but that'll probably wait for a more powerful compressor to cause a demand for it.
 

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I just buried a 2" electrical (grey plastic sched. 40?) pipe 3ft down. Going to run 100 amp power service 25 feet under ground from main garage to storage garage and run a goodyear 1/2" rubber air line right along side the service wire. Should be no problem. I've done it before.

The only risk that I could see here is if something happens to the electrical wiring where it overheats and burns through both the wire insulation and then the rubber hose. That shouldn't be a terribly big deal either, but could put a lot of air up into your breaker panel, and if any water had gotten into the line, that too.

That's why they don't allow low voltage and high voltage applications to use the same open conduit- if the high voltage stuff breaks its insulation then it could put high voltage into the low voltage lines, which might kill someone.
 

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FWIW: Some years ago the water supply pipe to my 110 year old house sprung a leak in the front lawn. When I dug it up, to my surprise I found iron pipe. It had lasted more than 100 years. Your soil may be more or less aggressive than what we have here in the Chicago suburbs. My town used to be (150 years ago) a swamp if that matters.

I wouldn't bury iron pipe for an air line, I would use copper -- like I did for my new water supply line. However if you chose to use Iron pipe I wouldn't worry about corrosion. If my experience is any indicator, it will outlive you. I would also be very sure my electrical panel(s) are well grounded by a driven ground rod(s) as far away from the buried air line as I could get it and still meet code.

Oh, I have no driven ground rod. My ground is through the formerly iron and now copper water pipe. I know if I upgrade my service (which I some day hope to do) I will need a driven ground. I will cross that bridge when I get to it. Not to change the subject, but I still prefer fuses to circuit breakers. Flame suit is on.
 
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