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Underground gutter drain clogged

snowphun

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Half of my house runs off into a rain gutter that then goes under my driveway and off to a drainage basin maybe 100 feet away. When we bought the house the vertical drain was not connected to the underground part so all sort of junk got into the pipe and it is now very slow to drain. I fixed that with the flexy bit seen in the picture, but my main issue now is how to clear out the drain under my driveway? I tried blasting it with a leaf blower and sucking out with a shop vac, no luck with either. Can it be snaked out with something or would I need to call in the pros? What is this type of drain called? Unfortunately I don't even know where the other end of the drain is (there's a large thickly grown over drainage area but I've never found the outlet).

Thanks for any insight!
Paul

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shopnut

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Hey Snowphun,

Last year, I installed gutters, downspouts, and underground french drains in a similar fashion as yours there. In the process, I ripped out some old 20 year old french drain and roots had totally closed up the flow path. This was near a huge shrub. I don't think there was any way to clear mine out because it was the corrugated black pipe. It just had to be replaced.

Since yours is under the driveway, it may just be clogged with leafy debris so it should be able to be cleaned out somehow. Sorry, I can't really suggest a method to clean it out, but using the hose as a water drill (as mentioned above) seems like a good idea. I suggest starting on the downhill side and working your way up to the downspout so the water and debris can flow out easily.

When I was researching before doing mine, I read the professionals can only roto-root the solid PVC style pipe and if they tried mechanical methods on the thin black corrugated pipe, it just chews it up. You might try to figure out what style you have underground.

Once you get it cleared out, make sure to put some kind of strainer in the gutter where the downspout connects so future debris doesn't get in there.
 

Norcal

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If you can't clear the blockage, get a drain cleaning company to snake it out.
 

stingry

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Unfortunately I don't even know where the other end of the drain is (there's a large thickly grown over drainage area but I've never found the outlet).

I would start here. You need to find the outlet. It could be plugged and be your problem. If you clear the outlet and it still does not drain, you could then rent or borrow a pressure washer. You can buy a special nozzle to put on the end of the hose. It is made for cleaning sewers and should work to blow the debris out of your drain pipe.

Cheers
Steve
 
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snowphun

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So I have a conclusion to this problem: I had an additional parking spot put on the side of my driveway using recycled asphalt, and I asked the guys to dig down with the backhoe and look for the drain as it should have been going directly across the new parking area. They found it quickly enough, and saw that it ended about five feet from the driveway and still had plastic wrap over the end. :Twitch: So we extended it with some leftover pvc pipe and all is well. :)

Summary: if you didn't do it yourself or see it being built, don't be surprised if it was done wrong.
 

Thruxton

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So I have a conclusion to this problem: I had an additional parking spot put on the side of my driveway using recycled asphalt, and I asked the guys to dig down with the backhoe and look for the drain as it should have been going directly across the new parking area. They found it quickly enough, and saw that it ended about five feet from the driveway and still had plastic wrap over the end. :Twitch: So we extended it with some leftover pvc pipe and all is well. :)

Summary: if you didn't do it yourself or see it being built, don't be surprised if it was done wrong.

First law of DIY!
 

armyturtle

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So it's 2020 and I found this forum while searching for a way to clear our french drain in our basement. It's a 4" PVC sewer pipe (not corrugated, but actual white PVC pipe) and it's always flowed well. Unfortunately tonight I heard our radon fan sucking water (it's raining outside). I knew immediately it meant the water level in the french drain hole had reached the bottom of the radon pvc that's placed in the Plexiglas cover.

I called roto-rooter and they said sometime in the next 4 hours they could come out. I had to wait for a call within the next 30 minutes though to confirm the appointment time. It's already 8pm here right now. Our french drain run is about 250 ft. I called a plumber friend to seek some basic consul as to how much I should expect to spend. He said a night call, and a 250ft.+ run? $1000 easily. That just *****. So while waiting for my callback, I got my 6.5hp shopvac out and tried draining the hole. No such luck. It's still raining and it's filling up faster than my 16gal. tank can **** it up and I can empty it. Also, we're on a septic system. I can't go flooding our septic system with an abundance of water. So I reversed the shopvac and attempted to force air. (My plumber friend I could try a plunger.) I figured constant forced air from a shopvac would amount to the same. WOW! It was like a stick of dynamite went off in the water. The air went in the pipe, but it came back out with a VENGEANCE!!! Must have shot up 4 feet from the french drain hole!!!

The final try would be to take my shopvac out in the woods (I live on 11 acres) to the other end and try to apply some negative pressure and **** it down the line. My theory was that this may work better because that's the natural gravitational flow direction anyway, and SOME water was getting through - albeit a very small trickle, but still, I was hoping it would be enough to entice a clog free. Problem is how to get electric 250 ft. into my woods? I took a small generator we have (1200w) with me and my shopvac out in the woods to the end of the line. I tested the shopvac first though to make sure the generator could handle the load (I've done enough dumb things in my life at this point, I know better). I also made a makeshift cover for the 4" PVC pipe out of a coffee can cover and drilled a hole for my shopvac hose into it, to make the best seal I could. I took foil tape with me for added ingenuity needs. My wife came out with me with 2 flashlights.

We hooked up the shopvac, placed the makeshift coffee can cover/lid against the line and promptly found out it was not wide enough. While it was wide enough on the house end, the end of the line pipe flares out and is slightly wider. So I taped the hell out of the PVC pipe 1/2 way across with foil tape - 5 layers. I placed my coffee can lid/cover and hose over the pipe and held it there for as long as I could. At first nothing changed. I placed it back over after taking it off the first couple times. This time I held it there for a very long time. Suddenly some more water flowed out - but then a tsunami of water rushed out, and it was super brown.

I'm happy because the line cleared. Unfortunately I know the brown water likely means there's some root intrusion along that 250ft. run and as a result dirt is getting into the line. It's going to get worse with time, not better.

Clear for now, but I will now think of how I can inspect 250ft. of drain pipe that's buried at least 5-6 ft. deep in super rocky soil. :/

I'm thinking a wireless camera attached to a small RC car (with a rope attached so I can pull it back) and drive it up the line to look at what the interior condition is. :) Fun projects!

Anyhow - +$1000k or more in my pocket!
Sharing in hopes someone else might need some ideas in the future themselves. (Oh, and my plumber friend - he owns a gigantic shop with big trucks and industrial equipment - he warned me that beyond 300ft., a snake looses it's effectiveness (torque) and there may not be much that can be done - at least with his equipment. Was sounding like it was going to be VERY VERY expensive!!!
 
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kbs2244

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Under the driveway brings up the question of it being crushed.
Does your stopping point match the driveway wheel marks?
 

CJseven

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Plumbing company should have a inspection camera they can send down the pipe and find what type of problem you have. They can also install liners in the existing pipe if digging it up for repair may not be a option.
 

strutaeng

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Yeah, snake it. For longer than 50-75' I would have installed a clean out. For 250' I would have installed at least 2 clean outs. Double clean outs like sanitary sewer require. I suppose you can still install them now.

Camera would be good, but sewer snake would be cheaper, and you will likely clear the clog and retrieve it. Based on what the clog is, you may or may not even need to camera, i.e., roots vs dead animal

Assuming the line was installed correctly (no bellies), it should only have water during storms. Can't imagine it clogging. How old the system?
 
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