Coach James
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I have several Enderes chisels and punches and have never had a complaint about them. Our Tru Value sells them.
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I have several Enderes chisels and punches and have never had a complaint about them. Our Tru Value sells them.
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SCscoutguy
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Best post in the entire thread. I look forward to this list so I will know who to never buy tools from again.
I can promise you that there is more money exchanging hands from Big business lobyist versus the Unions that secure 7% of our US workforce. What was that word you used again.. "Biased" Lol..
Im Union, I work 60 hours a week, I have NO schedule and i get a Hour and a half call notifying me its time to work. With the Luxury of Never knowing when im going to work i get to work Weekends, Holidays to boot. No worries.. the Middle class is shrinking everyday and eventually Big business will have us right were they want us... Competing with Chinese labor.
volpster31
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thank you hiball...my sentiments exactly..... the unions are the flavor of the month for people looking to blame someone else... i guess the anti-union people are happy making less money????
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Unions are for folks who can't think or do for themselves.
i don´t know but most likely yes
Another Mis-informed statement. Who'd a thunk it?
My union is run my its membership, Which means me and my Brothers and Sisters. Your statement is only true for the people who dont understand there contract or choose not to get involved. Knowledge is Power and without it your just another biased person posting on a forum.
Everyone is entitled to there opinion, I can respect that but please have the decency to justify your comments.
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Yet another deeply thought out, informative, objective post. Courtesy of Daddy-Rabbit. :tard:
I think the more controversial issue at hand is with public unions, based on the Canadians avatar. Being from WI, i can gladly say that i am not for them. There is no sense in having 5% of the population dictating their wages (not to mention outrageous benefits) and such when the tax payers have to sign the checks.
That being said, i wouldn't go as far as to not purchase a channel locks brand pliers (i have over a half dozen of them) because they are a private union. It wouldn't hinder me from buying a fairly good quality tool.
Same here. But do keep in mind that the private unions are fighting for the rights of the public unions.
jmh21586
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Snap ON = UAW????????????????????????
The UAW is the worst one out there IMO. And I'm in a union.
If it's true I'm almost glad to not own any Snap On.
The UAW is the worst one out there IMO. And I'm in a union.
If it's true I'm almost glad to not own any Snap On.
If I'm not mistaken, Hiball works for a railroad. Apples & oranges. Sorry.
bmxr4life87
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Hiball sounds like you may be a conductor? If snap on is uaw that would explain the prices!!! I'm pretty neutral about unions their are pros and cons to either side
Lookin4'67Galaxieconv
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Exactly. Gov't unions should've never gotten the right to collective bargaining, and I was happy to hear they lost it in Wisconsin, despite the intimidation of union goons and Michael Moore's efforts.
No that is what employers are for.
briggsguy17
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I have tried to stay out of the politics of this thread but I gotta weigh in. I am a public union employee. The only difference (at least in pa) between public and private unions is that public unions (police and fire) don't have the right to strike for obvious reasons. Collective bargaining is what all unions do, everyone (collective) sits down at a table and discusses (bargaining) terms and conditions of employment. When there is no agreement you either have a strike (workers walk out) or a lockout (management locks workers out). In non-strike unions we have what is called binding arbitration which is when the parties can't mutually resolve any issues. In binding arbitration an arbitrator (neutral attorney) decides on the language of the contract and it is binding on both parties. So this "holding the public hostage" ideal that some have on here is completely wrong and probably due to misinformation. What most people fail to realize about public unions is that we get new bosses every two to four years (elections). If we had nothing in writing we wouldn't know if we were coming or going. How many on here would trust a politician on something as important as your livelihood without getting it in writing???
Im about 99% sure Snap on doesnt employ UAW Union Members, If i recall they are in the Steel workers union or some branch of such.
I used to be a Conductor (still hold conductor senority) but ive been a locomotive engineer for over 10 years. There are Pro's and Con's to every Labor Organization including the Governments, Its the people that fail to do there research and bash either side based on what they read in the Newspaper or see on Tv that gets me. I will admit the UAW is a very strong union, But what people dont understand is the Automotive industry thru there own greed gave them alot of these concessions. It all comes down to the mighty dollar regardless of what side your on. It seems No one wants to question the Automotive industry's bonus payouts to execs during years where as a whole they lost Millions of dollars, This practice went on for YEARS..Its always the Unions fault. Im not trying to change anyones point of view, I will fully admit there are issues on both sides.
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Lookin4'67Galaxieconv
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When the taxpayers are footing the bill, you shouldn't have the right to hold up the public for more money by striking. If you don't like it, quit and find a job in the private sector. Don't give me a sob story about those public employees in WI...they're paid very well, and were getting virtually all their benefits paid for.
briggsguy17
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http://articles.chicagotribune.com/1988-10-14/business/8802070353_1_snap-on-tools-corp-strike-ends
I know it's an older article, I also found some where they were represented by United Steel Workers. Either way they are "union made" tools which is what the OP asked for.
jmh21586
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The problem with public employee unions is that they're negotiating with the people that they helped elect. There is no "other side". There's no balance.
briggsguy17
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I think that is part of the misinformation. Maybe on a state or large city level they negotiate with politicians that they donated money to, but in small towns the politicians don't get paid and there are no political activity funds. We negotiate at a local level with the mayor/city manager. In the case of the manager they are a hired position so there is no helping them get elected. This is simply a case of public unions being painted with a broad brush..........
briandrex
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I own my own non union business and treat my employees great! My motto is you make me money and I'll give you money. Plain and simple. If you think just showing up everyday and performing a task constitutes a raise because you've been here for a certain time makes me laugh. I've worked my way up from the bottom with persistence. I'll wake up earlier and stay awake later than the other guy working my **** off!
Someone please tell me what right a union operator has to walk on my job site and tell me I have to hire them to run a machine because we are working in their county. Are you kidding me??? When this is allowed to happen you can kiss the USA goodbye and say hello to the USSA.
Before someone starts yelling about corporations, I'll tell you that most are as crooked or more crooked than some of the unions. I worked for one and instead of complaining I left and took my clients with me. I had a game plan the whole time and when the rest of the guys were out drinking at night I was up writing my business plan and working towards the future.
Like I told guys at the place I was working. If you are going to come in every morning to complain over coffee find a new job. Life is too short not to wake up every morning with a smile on your face and I wasn't gonna let a company wipe mine away. I've got the good ol fashioned work ethic my union grandfather gave me. He worked his whole life for Behlehem Steel and he'd be appalled by the entitlements be given out today. This goes for the richest to the lowest.
My motto is nothing is free in life. I'm thankful for my freedom, health and family. Everyday is a new challenge and it makes me proud to own a business and watch the employees I have that want to succeed do so on their own free merit. Kinda cool seeing a young kid start out and one day have a family working for your own company! God Bless the USA!
Someone please tell me what right a union operator has to walk on my job site and tell me I have to hire them to run a machine because we are working in their county. Are you kidding me??? When this is allowed to happen you can kiss the USA goodbye and say hello to the USSA.
Before someone starts yelling about corporations, I'll tell you that most are as crooked or more crooked than some of the unions. I worked for one and instead of complaining I left and took my clients with me. I had a game plan the whole time and when the rest of the guys were out drinking at night I was up writing my business plan and working towards the future.
Like I told guys at the place I was working. If you are going to come in every morning to complain over coffee find a new job. Life is too short not to wake up every morning with a smile on your face and I wasn't gonna let a company wipe mine away. I've got the good ol fashioned work ethic my union grandfather gave me. He worked his whole life for Behlehem Steel and he'd be appalled by the entitlements be given out today. This goes for the richest to the lowest.
My motto is nothing is free in life. I'm thankful for my freedom, health and family. Everyday is a new challenge and it makes me proud to own a business and watch the employees I have that want to succeed do so on their own free merit. Kinda cool seeing a young kid start out and one day have a family working for your own company! God Bless the USA!
As a cop in a small town (from your avatar I'm assuming) that may be the case but in the case of the state of Wisconsin and state employees, what jmh is saying is absolutely true.
Congratulations!!! I wish there was more happy stories like this. Unfortunately the sucess rate of small business's is dwindling, Its becoming harder and harder to for people to take the leap of faith. Our government and the Manufacturing giants have made it nearly impossible for small businesses to compete in our economy. My small town who used to be booming with Manufacturing has become a ghost town. We offer up tax incentives for manufacturing to bring jobs to our town and just as soon as they cant produce there product here nearly tax free, they up and leave. Its a terrible cycle we are currently in, 1 step forward, 2 steps back.. BTW.. I cant wait for +$4 dollar gas...
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volpster31
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if you treat your employess "great",youll never have to worry about them trying to go union....the problem is, many people work their asses off only to be treated like **** and never go anywhere. im a union worker & i have issues with public unions,but the workers in wisconsin were willing to negotiate their benefits and the gov. said "go **** yourself" thats my problem with it...
kc-steve
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Congratulations!!! I wish there was more happy stories like this. Unfortunately the sucess rate of small business's is dwindling, Its becoming harder and harder to for people to take the leap of faith. Our government and the Manufacturing giants have made it nearly impossible for small businesses to compete in our economy. My small town who used to be booming with Manufacturing has become a ghost town. We offer up tax incentives for manufacturing to bring jobs to our town and just as soon as they cant produce there product here nearly tax free, they up and leave. Its a terrible cycle we are currently in, 1 step forward, 2 steps back.. BTW.. I cant wait for +$4 dollar gas...
Hiball, I am sincerely trying to avoid this discussion. But you ragged on my first post as being biased, which is completely wrong, and now you are making generalizations about businesses that sound oddly familiar to "Das Kapital" by Karl Marx. Where do you think that came from?
Try to look at your own perspective from another point of view. You might find that your tax dollars are being wasted in filling fat cat union leader's pocket books, especially when it comes to the public employee unions.
I'm moving forward. You can stay here and argue your heart out but it will fall on deaf ears.
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No Arguements from Me.. As i stated everyone is entitled to there opinion. Im fully aware that a portion of my dues is going towards lobbyist. I dont agree that Special interests should be allowed to buy a Vote concerning bills but its a back and forth battle that has been going on long before my time. My Employer pays big bucks to make sure there interest is represented, I dont feel the Union should be chastised for doing the same. Again.. Its my Opinion, Dont feel threatened that it opposes yours. As far as the Public Employee Union fiasco, I really dont have much input so ill reserve my Opinion on the subject.
briandrex
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I think everyone need to read "Atlas Shrugged" by Ayn Rand if you already haven't. It opened up my eyes. Also God gave me the will to fight until I can fight no more. Like I said I worked for a place that tried to keep me down and I go out. If I fail with this business I will get back up and work twice as hard. No gov't, corporation or union is going to steal away my persistence.
Remember if you are persistent your whole life you will win.....I can guarantee it. When someone tries to keep me down I work twice as hard and either go through, around or under them with my work ethic. I've also learned that lifes sucess is by being a salesman 24 hours a day with everything you do. If people like you and you are a hard worker your luck seems to be alot better. It's amazing the harder I work the luckier I get!
Remember if you are persistent your whole life you will win.....I can guarantee it. When someone tries to keep me down I work twice as hard and either go through, around or under them with my work ethic. I've also learned that lifes sucess is by being a salesman 24 hours a day with everything you do. If people like you and you are a hard worker your luck seems to be alot better. It's amazing the harder I work the luckier I get!
TK LP
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Actually, union memberships vote on who and how much of their dues is applied to politics. Operating a union is the same as any other business, it requires operating capital.
Additionally, if you think unions are the only organizations donating to politicians with the prospect of influencing legislation, you should take a trip to Washington DC and get a first hand look at the lobbyist industry, and it is an enormous and powerful industry. It's difficult to think of any interest that has money to support their cause that isn't involved. Unions are just part of a multitude of players, and don't have the war chests full of cash as many private interests. If there is a different perspective to any issue out there, theres a lobbyist interest or campaign contributor plugging it. Anyone that thinks that just about any topic on the US politcal scene doesn't have money pushing every angle, pro or con, is kidding themselves.
jmh21586
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You or anybody else can't guarantee ****!
THERE ARE NO ******* GUARANTEES!!!!!!!
As for Atlas Shrugged, yeah, I read it. Twice. A very hard read written by one very disturbed atheist *****. Do a little research. The mindless one-liners coming from BOTH sides of this issue are just depressing. RANT OFF
scott37300
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So what exactly does posting "getting in before locked" do? Just to show your name when it's locked or something?
jmh21586
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I always wondered that too.
briandrex
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It depends on how you define winning my friend. If I give 100 percent everyday i go to sleep knowing I've done my best. Winning is not always financial. Winning is an attitude and like Vince Lombardi says winners don't come in second.
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