Unique Craftsman Ratchet?

[SCscoutguy]

I have never seen one that looked like this. Does anyone here have an example of one of these? It looks kind of like a duro/indestro ratchet.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/VINTAGE-OLD...368?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item43adbd74a8

 

[MN Falcon]

I did the google search as the seller suggested and came up with this:

http://community.craftsman.com/Tools/topics/got-my-c-97-ratchet-in-the-mail-today/posts

"The 1/2" drive C-97 ratchet along with the whole C series is made by Snap-on. Manufactured for Sears from 1932 - 1935. I have that one and the only known example of a 1/2" drive C-98 Craftsman Ratchet, along with my 3/8" drive CF - 87 manufactued from 1934 - 1935.. I also have a couple of C-series sets that have Crafftsman 9/32" drive sockets in them. The C-97 came in two different handle lengths."

 

[wafrederick]

I seen someone did ask a question if it was made by Snap On.Snap On never made anything for Craftsman and I asked a Snap On dealer in my area on this,he said no.

 

[Bull]

SnapMom should be able to clear this up. PM her.

 

[lbgradwell]

Snap On never made anything for Craftsman and I asked a Snap On dealer in my area on this,he said no.

No, it's true; those C-series tools actually were made by Snap-on...

 

[PowderKeg]

That handle/grip is identical to a Hinsdale I have.

 

[lbgradwell]

That handle/grip is identical to a Hinsdale I have.

Is yours one of those pressed flange H-12-R models, Keg? The handles on those sure do look like this mystery Craftsman, but the H-12-R seems to have been made by D/I.

Interesting...

 

[paleoman]

I have one similar to your picture. I unfortunately know nothing about it other than I picked it up at a garage sale.

 

[PowderKeg]

Is yours one of those pressed flange H-12-R models, Keg? The handles on those sure do look like this mystery Craftsman, but the H-12-R seems to have been made by D/I.

Interesting...

I've got two H-12-R Hinsdales. One is like you described, a Duro-Indestro style of pressed in cover plate on one side only. The grip is shaped the same as the Craftsman except it's smooth - no knurling. The second has a removable cover plate secured with two screws, and the knurled grip is identical to the Craftsman above.

I'd post some pics, but my smart phone took a hard swerve into stupid - won't recognize the SD card, so the camera won't function - and the Canon needs a new battery.

PK

 

[MrCraftsmanTools]

Hello everyone, this is my first post. I see I have been quoted.

"The 1/2" drive C-97 ratchet along with the whole C series is made by Snap-on. Manufactured for Sears from 1932 - 1935. I have that one and the only known example of a 1/2" drive C-98 Craftsman Ratchet, along with my 3/8" drive CF - 87 manufactued from 1934 - 1935.. I also have a couple of C-series sets that have Crafftsman 9/32" drive sockets in them. The C-97 came in two different handle lengths."

I've collected almost the whole series of Craftsman ratchets. I stopped counting after 100+ models. I'm guessing I had 110 - 120 different models of Craftsman ratchets. I've taken photos of them and am now selling some of them here and there. All the photos are in the The History of Craftsman Tools DVD. It is the complete archive of all the Craftsman tools and products from 1927 through 2009 plus a number of Sears tool catalogs from the turn of the century. 239 Sears and Craftsman catalogs were used in whole or in part to put this together. It will be updated with the 2010 -2012 sometime later. I originally planned to have this done nearly 2 years ago but I have had a lot of health problems due to an adverse reaction to a vaccination. I let is sit for 16 months because I had/have severe mental fatigue when being on the computer for more than a few minutes. Hopefully I will have it manufactured within a month from now. I originally was preparing it to sell through Sears, but they seem to be in a downward spiral right now.

Nice to meet all of you.
I won't be posting frequently or reading this daily. If I can ever be of assistence to anyone with Craftsman information, feel free to email me. I don't claim to know it all, just information I have gathered from others, the catalogs, and the tools themselves.
Gary Lauver has known me for a number of years now. He is a nice guy.

[email protected]

Dave

 

[MrCraftsmanTools]

All that is left to do is some programming with the auto-install software, which I may need some help with.
All the catalog covers have been digitally restored to their former glory. I've spent around 2500 hrs on this, plus lots of $$
My original intention was to collect all the catalogs because I wanted to see all the neat tools and see how they evolved over the years. Dave

 

[thesilverone]

we have some random craftsman catalogs here that are available to view/download. which ones do you have? are they available to view/download?

 

[lbgradwell]

which ones do you have?

All of them, I believe...

He has a new forum name, but this is DaveTheToolman. He has the digitized catalogues for sale on DVD...

So, Dave... What do you think about this ratchet's similarity to Hinsdale? Still feel it's made by SO?

Did anyone else just watch this auction end? Went a little crazy there. I watched it go from ~$30 to $362.77 in the last minute. I had a bid of $42 set to go when it jumped to over $100...

 

[SCscoutguy]

All of them, I believe...

He has a new forum name, but this is DaveTheToolman. He has the digitized catalogues for sale on DVD...

So, Dave... What do you think about this ratchet's similarity to Hinsdale? Still feel it's made by SO?

Did anyone else just watch this auction end? Went a little crazy there. I watched it go from ~$30 to $362.77 in the last minute. I had a bid of $42 set to go when it jumped to over $100...

Holy cow someone really wanted that ratchet!

 

[MrCraftsmanTools]

Re:Holy cow. Yes, I guess I did want that ratchet. I had sold my other one to another friend/collector.
Well I don't claim to be perfect, to be right, or a know-it-all, but a patent made by Snap-on shows a ratchet with the same head and internal design, I have taken the ratchet in question apart and it is identical to the patent drawings, just the handle is different. Patent # 2020883 Year 1935 I couldn't find a Hindsdale patent from the same time period for a ratchet.

I have a lot of patent drawings and photos in the DVD. There are photos of all the early design Craftsman Ratchets, including 4 from the 1930's that are not shown in any of the catalogs. There are over 14,500 pages. Except for some of the pre-Craftsman catalogs, all have been restored in digital form. That meant a lot of tedious detailed work in photoshop fixing: holes, abrasions, missing corners, hand writing, pieces of pages missing, water damage, fading, smudges, printing artifacts, etc. Then the pages were rotated straight when needed, cropped, and when there were photos and tools on a center spread, the pages were aligned to show a complete picture. I orignially made CDs of the first four decades and was selling them a few years ago. I have since redid everything in them. I'm now a little embarrassed of the quality of the early Craftsman CDs as compared to the DVD.

Dave

 

[Bull]

Thanks for joining, Dave. It sounds like we are lucky to have you here.

Gary doesn't post here much, but I know from past dealings that he is a fine fellow.

 

[JASTECH]

Dave, sounds good. I do Archivial photos from way back, tin types ect. repairs and all. I keep as many bytes as possible in them and .raw of course then burned to Archivial grade cd/dvd.

 

[DOlsen]

Dave, congratulations, you beat my bid for the ratchet. I didn't think I would be bidding against you, I thought that you were selling off your collection.

I am interested in your DVD, but I see that you don't have anything listed on ebay right now. How can I get a copy?

Dan

 

[MN Falcon]

Dave, I am glad to see that you saw that on ebay. I was going to try to see if I could send you a PM on the Craftsman Community, but I figured I better not sign up over there because I might start venting about Sears' choice with the tools :-(

I would like an update on the rarity of that ratchet, as you said in that post the one you had at that time was the only known one, have you seen any others besides these 2 now?

 

[MrCraftsmanTools]

Falcon, I have only seen two examples of that ratchet and someone on the Craftsman board says they have one. I try and be accurate in my wording when I say what is the only "known" example. I guess I should say known in my circle of tool enthusiasts/collectors.

Dolsen, the DVD just needs some programming done with it, then it will be ready. I can add anyone to the waiting list if you email me. [email protected]

I'm just a bit slow on it because of a neurologic condition that puts up a lot of road blocks mentally and physically.

Dave

 

[MN Falcon]

Thanks again Dave, it is really neat to learn things like this. I totally understand the ability to describe it as "known" example, but I do respect your understanding of that statement since you are an avid collector and have seen far more of what is out there than the average Joe. I also understand that this type of statement is kind of fluid as things change since it was written. Its neat to think of old tools like this still sitting around in someone's toolbox yet undiscovered. I recently came across just a few Blackhawk and S-K sockets at a pawnshop from roughly '33 to '40. Its just neat to think that this would have been the type of stuff that my great grandfather would have used in his shop

 

[woody 73]

That handle/grip is identical to a Hinsdale I have.

It looks the same to me also...

 

[PowderKeg]

Ok, I coaxed a little juice out of the Canon battery for a few Hinsdale pics:

Hinsdale #1 with the knurled grip and removable faceplate/guts

Hinsdale #2 with the smooth grip and pressed in faceplate

That knurled grip sure looks identical to the Craftsman, so if the Craftsman was sourced from Snap-On, the next question on my mind would be, was there a Hinsdale/Snap-On connection?

Inquiring minds want to know...

 

[PowderKeg]

Dave (MrCraftsman),

Quick question - can you tell me what year this Craftsman New Britain Fors patent ratchet was available?

 

[MrCraftsmanTools]

Thank you for the question and photos PowderKeg.
That ratchet is filed under US Patent #2,542,241
Patented Feb 20, 1951 by New Britain Machine Company

Source of information: The History of Craftsman Tools DVD, Year 1951, pages 130 - 134, photos and Patent drawings and information.
Photos courtesy of PowderKeg

Dave

PS, how do I add photos on here? I don't know how to find the URL of the photos

 

[MrCraftsmanTools]

PowderKeg, I had the same thoughts about that ratchet. It appears to have a Snap-on head and a Hinsdale handle.

 

[MrCraftsmanTools]

http://community.craftsman.com/images/review/2012/71/16/1331502803-4366279_full.jpg

 

[crankshaftdan II]

Dave (MrCraftsman),

Quick question - can you tell me what year this Craftsman New Britain Fors patent ratchet was available?

I think I acquired a simular ratchet as pictured in parts from a flea market vender-will have to look in the stash??
I just got this H12J Hinsdale from a member and it too looks like it has lived a hard life!! The 3/8" drive has a lot of wear-am I to assume this could be dated in the same era 32-35 age made by snappy or NB? The little Husky CM 41 could have been a sister to other c-man's of that era??? This is reviving a old post!!

 

[crankshaftdan II]

I think I acquired a simular ratchet as pictured in parts from a flea market vender-will have to look in the stash??
I just got this H12J Hinsdale from a member and it too looks like it has lived a hard life!! The 3/8" drive has a lot of wear-am I to assume this could be dated in the same era 32-35 age made by snappy or NB? The little Husky CM 41 could have been a sister to other c-man's of that era??? This is reviving a old post!!

Oops forgot the pictures!

 

[r_olson_06]

There was another one of these on ebay early last year sold for a little under $700 if it is the exact same one. Snap On made for craftsman and only made 1 year if I remember correctly. Craftsman C-Series have been going crazy the last couple of years.