Unusual Air Compressor question

[Chuck McB]

The question's unusual not the compressor. How much do you reckon this thing weighs?? I believe it's a champion but am not sure. I bought it for $150 and hope it's a good deal. It was taken out of service a few months ago but was running just fine. 5hp 240 volt. Gotta unload it at home by myself....

 

[uncletater]

can you lift on end by yourself? I would guess 250

 

[Chuck McB]

If it's around 250 I can manipulate it. I didn't try to lift it. My Black Max Sanborn seemed rather heavy but it's not of this caliber construction...

 

[uncletater]

I bet if you can lift one side about waist high without sharting you should be able to do it.

 

[Chuck McB]

I bet if you can lift one side about waist high without sharting you should be able to do it.

 

[CNGsaves]

Looks like an "old reliable" for sure. It's been pushing out a "little oil" over the years though . . . paint on tank in that area likely pristine underneath!!

I'd recommend sliding a piece of plywood underneath and attach to footpegs of tank. Then you could slide the compressor up onto trailer with flop-down gate a whole lot easier. Worst case could use a bunch of round sticks and roll the compressor like the building of the pyramids!!

Use a come-a-long winch and easily done by one person.

 

[Old Skull]

Motor alone may weight between 70 to 85 pds, add about 80 to 100 for that pump and the tank look like a 60 Gal so let say 200lbs...A realistic guess must be 350 to 450 Lbs.

 

[Zrexxer]

Yeah, I was going to guess 375. How about a better picture of the working side? Doesn't look like a Champion from the flywheel side.

 

[Trey T]

My guess is about 250lbs:

Pump- 100lbs
Motor- 50lbs
tank- 100lbs

Champion, kellogg, and CH 5HP inline 2 cylinder 2-stage weighs about 100-150lbs. They weigh much less than a Quincy 325 or Saylor-Beall 705 @ 200-250lbs.

 

[Vegaman_Dan]

I hear if you fill the tank with helium, it can then load itself into your truck.

 

[alan camby]

I hear if you fill the tank with helium, it can then load itself into your truck.

No, Leave the air in and float it out in the pool

 

[Zrexxer]

Even a similar CP like the one below, 5HP 80 gallon, lists at 501 lbs.

 

[Old Skull]

I hear if you fill the tank with helium, it can then load itself into your truck.

Good one

Using the brick wall behind as a reference to size the tank I'm sure It's a 20"X48" tank (60Gallon) never seen one build from steel fill with magic gaz weight less then 200Lbs...Even chinese crappy one, To get certified for 200psi you can't cut corner and use tinny material With all that rust on it do you think she's build in light weight metal?...LMAO

Don't take chance, bring one of those with you... You thank me later..

 

[nine4gmc]

be safe, it's heavier than you think.

 

[sberry]

I would go for slightly heavier than I thought too,

 

[evintho]

I just finished moving this beast..................

Ratchet straps and a cherry picker to get it off the ground. A couple of furniture dollys to roll it where you wanna go. Straps and cherry picker to lift it off the dollys and placement. Piece 'o cake!

 

[Old Skull]

Nice beast Eventho! Piece of cake to move with the right tools!

I bought this basket case last year, the motor is there but not the pump, she's heavy like hell and I use a chainblock to unload that one from my trailer.
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[Milton Shaw]

Let all the pressure out of the tank. If you had 150 lbs of air in it would be much harder to move. LOL . Years ago we had a guy walk in our tire store to see if we had a loaner air tank. We answered yes and asked if he wanted 150 lbs of air in it and he said "no I have to walk a mile back to my car."

 

[zkling]

Let all the pressure out of the tank. If you had 150 lbs of air in it would be much harder to move. LOL . Years ago we had a guy walk in our tire store to see if we had a loaner air tank. We answered yes and asked if he wanted 150 lbs of air in it and he said "no I have to walk a mile back to my car."

Dang, Milton beat me to it

Also keep in mind that it is very top heavy. Not as bad as a vertical compressor, but it will want to turn about the tank on you. I would personally take the pump off and possibly motor. Should definitely be a one man job after that.

 

[Chuck McB]

Loading will be easy since a fork lift will be used. I have a cherry picker at the house so that won't be too bad either. Might bolt some treated 4x4s under it when we load it so maybe I can strap under them and keep it from trying to roll over when I unload it..

 

[Pumpman1968]

Loading will be easy since a fork lift will be used. I have a cherry picker at the house so that won't be too bad either. Might bolt some treated 4x4s under it when we load it so maybe I can strap under them and keep it from trying to roll over when I unload it..

When you said "Might bolt some treated 4x4s under it when we load it so maybe I can strap under them and keep it from trying to roll over when I unload it...." it reminded me of a funny story.

First or second day at a new job at a County facility, I go with a Facility Supervisor to move a 275 gal oil tank. He gets into the front end loader, puts on the forks and sets up under the tank. Of course, the tank is against the wall of a steel building so he couldn't get the forks under the tank very far. I had heard some rumors about this Supervisor.....but had shrugged them off as just that.

Instead of just lifting the tank a foot or so off the ground, he decides to lift it head high.......can ya guess what happens next?

Forks tip back, tank rolls toward the machine and BLAM!.....tank legs right through the wall of the steel building! The mechanic working inside wasn't quite as impressed as I was.

Facility and Supervisor to remain nameless ........to protect the guilty.

 

[Strouty]

It is probably top heavy too. My guess would be 450ish.

 

[Trey T]

If you want to put in some work, look at rebuild kit for the head. That's where you'll find the wear and crud built up over the years. BTW, that looks like a Campbell Hausfeld, not a Champion pump.

Loading will be easy since a fork lift will be used. I have a cherry picker at the house so that won't be too bad either. Might bolt some treated 4x4s under it when we load it so maybe I can strap under them and keep it from trying to roll over when I unload it..

 

[Zrexxer]

Yeah that's definitely not a Champion. I think Trey's got it right - looks like a Campbell Hausfeld.

 

[Chuck McB]

So where does a Campbell Hausfeld rank in comparison to a Champion?

 

[e-tek]

So where does a Campbell Hausfeld rank in comparison to a Champion?

I'd say it "looks" like it has a history of being bomb-proof and useable! If anything maybe it needs rings and a valve grind now to bring it back to day-one condition....

Great score - just don't wreck it our yourself moving it!

 

[Zrexxer]

So where does a Campbell Hausfeld rank in comparison to a Champion?

It's my personal opinion that CH is a couple tiers below a Champion, but that particular CH pump is a very serviceable piece of equipment. Grainger used a CH pump from that same product family for some of their Speedaire series compressors. It just depends on what kind of condition it's in mechanically - it kinda looks like it's been through hell!

 

[Trey T]

^Do you know if CH uses reed valve or disc valve (like seen on Champion, Quincy QR-25, and Saylor)?

 

[metal4130]

Pretty sure that pump would have reed valves.

 

[Chuck McB]

The plate reads National 80 . Should be getting it home Wednesday.

 

[Zrexxer]

Here's what your compressor more than likely started out life as, a Grainger Speedaire. Even the tank bracket is the same.

 

[Chuck McB]

Thanks Zrexxer. Looking forward to getting home Wednesday.

 

[Chuck McB]

Well it is home and under the grime it is a Rol Air out of Wiscosin
Where does it rank now?

 

[onewaydave]

It doesn't matter how much it weighs, just move it. If you can't lift it, wedge it up with a lever and blocks. Back under it. Lots of other options.

Dave.

 

[taumac]

I think its heavy enough that youll be picking your nuts of the ground if you try to lift it yourself lol

 

[Zrexxer]

Well it is home and under the grime it is a Rol Air out of Wiscosin
Where does it rank now?

Keep us informed as you find out more about it, because frankly I'm curious. It seems that Rol-Air at times may have put together packages under their name that had components sourced from various other manufacturers - I've seen a Rol-Air 80 gal vertical two stage that had a Champion pump on it... original, or replacement?

And that doesn't look like any Rol-Air pump I've seen, even though the whole compressor may have been sold under that name. Where it may start to become an issue is if you need to buy any parts for the pump.

Again, I'm not trying to disprove anyone, it's just a curious combination and I'd like to know more about it.

 

[Chuck McB]

Well I got in my shop and it dwarfs my Sanborne Black Max 60 gal. upright. It took about 8 minutes to go from zero to 130 psi. I'm very happy with this beast.

 

[lilflippy]

Here's what your compressor more than likely started out life as, a Grainger Speedaire. Even the tank bracket is the same.

Would you happen to know the cfm specs on this pump?